tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4586094029478976296..comments2024-03-28T06:43:21.546-04:00Comments on the daily howler: RODEO CLOWNS: Blackface, she said!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8594882255312479702013-08-24T03:48:49.060-04:002013-08-24T03:48:49.060-04:00Chris,
Love the cartoons! Especially the parodie...Chris,<br /><br />Love the cartoons! Especially the parodies of Julius Streicher's work in <i>Der Stürmer</i>.<br /><br />Oh, wait.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17922332294414551962013-08-23T21:17:25.590-04:002013-08-23T21:17:25.590-04:00The vicissitudes of auto-correct, deadrat.
(Here&...The vicissitudes of auto-correct, deadrat.<br /><br />(Here's hoping that isn't changed into vivisections.)CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69746279758061977242013-08-23T20:58:07.715-04:002013-08-23T20:58:07.715-04:00CeceliaMc,
I'm trying to follow your line of ...CeceliaMc,<br /><br />I'm trying to follow your line of argument, but I keep getting distracted by the image of rendering garments. Can you help me?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69108082086997439332013-08-23T13:38:34.511-04:002013-08-23T13:38:34.511-04:00"Likened to the KKK". More drama but, ta...<i>"Likened to the KKK". More drama but, take that up with the person who first brought it to public attention and who, unlike Bob or you, was actually there. </i><br /><br />Since you didn't understand why this conceded the point to CeceliaMc, I'll try to explain. Your rebuttal to CecelaMc was that this was, not just a tempest in a teapot, but a minor tempest in a teapot. Then, you admit that the originator compared the scene to a KKK rally, and that this post generated so much agreement by itself that you chided others for insinuating that it was the media that had created it. So which is it, it was very minor and the media pumped it up, or it wasn't minor and the media jumped on the bandwagon?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86023065192528078962013-08-23T12:35:09.491-04:002013-08-23T12:35:09.491-04:00Anon 10:47,
I was trying to point out that, if yo...Anon 10:47,<br /><br />I was trying to point out that, if you understand this blogs context, your first "choice" in your little puzzle was a dog bites man story that everyone knows would not be pursued here. So your comment was like many others complaining that Somerby picks on MSNBC when they do all of these great things.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84022854237039421352013-08-23T12:05:30.350-04:002013-08-23T12:05:30.350-04:00Again, you can't have it both ways. You can&#...Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't logically argue that the video was so egregious that it went viral, quite apart from media influence, AND say the story went nowhere (unless nowhere means that it was dropped when after days of drama, some context was provided.)<br /><br />Neither can you say that the resignation if one man, the censure of another, and the smearing of a great many people, on national tv and the Internet, was of little consequence.<br /><br />Perhaps you should ask the opinion of THOSE people who were there TOO.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48739163661620286602013-08-23T11:56:03.900-04:002013-08-23T11:56:03.900-04:00So it's "bad spin" when I state the ...So it's "bad spin" when I state the obvious by saying that MSNBC doesn't have to be pure as the driven snow to point out race-baiting? That each accusation should be judged on the merits of the charge, not MSNBC history.<br /><br />I would have thought that to be a reasonable.<br /><br />Accordingly, it's not hypocritical to ironically illustrate hypocrisy in politicians. <br /><br />The contention is that the president's remarks, both before and after the case, lent credence to the false notion that Martin's shooting was another tragedy inspired by endemic societal racism.<br /> <br />You don't have agree with that premise, but it's not hypocritical to make that point with irony.<br /><br />It is wrong in the sense that it's an compassion-free use of a dead boy. It needs to go no further than it has gone.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50337527705886708242013-08-23T11:49:25.468-04:002013-08-23T11:49:25.468-04:00CeceliaMc,
Sheesh indeed. I'm not arguing th...CeceliaMc,<br /><br />Sheesh indeed. I'm not arguing that way. That's YOUR again, dramatic, spin on my argument. Tempest in a teapot vs. grassroots uprising of indignation! Gosh, how dire! The rest of your post is simply you indignantly carrying on from your own creation.<br /><br />Back to reality again, despite your rendering of garments, this story is a tempest in a teapot and has almost faded except for here where, it's still going strong though I'm not sure that Bob will reach "Oscars/McFarlane" level of obsession with this though, on second thought, it might be close. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30138891086724565962013-08-23T11:32:20.070-04:002013-08-23T11:32:20.070-04:00You can't have it both ways. You can't pr...You can't have it both ways. You can't protest that the entire brouhaha was a tempest in a teapot, and then argue that it was grassroots uprising of indignation.<br /><br />It's hardly illogical for anyone to suggest that such pin-prick fact-free sensibilities have been cultivated by the media (both sides of it), and indeed off to the races the media went with this thing, making sure it stayed context free and reached all the way to a WH presser.<br /><br />Conversely, it is illogical to argue that this was a spontaneous...tempest in a teapot?... from outraged citizens, that hurt no one really... because being called a racist on the Internet and on national tv doesn't about to much, oh drama queens...<br /><br />Sheesh...CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42317611748544941752013-08-23T11:27:27.325-04:002013-08-23T11:27:27.325-04:00CeceliaMc,
C'mon now, that's very bad spi...CeceliaMc,<br /><br />C'mon now, that's very bad spin. It's funny how you propose that pointing out race baiting, particularly one which is based on factual errors as is the case here, is merely "a dynamic that can legitimately be scorned by less than perfect people". Too funny.<br /><br />Your following statement is merely a attempted diversion that I'm not interested in following. <br /><br />Back to reality as opposed to theoretical word games, in this instance, there's nothing titillating about it. I think it should be corrected because it's an incorrect report that's part of an attempted race baiting. How about you?<br /><br />Do you have any relevant comments about the case at hand or are you going to simply dither until Bob informs your opinion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80887160903810733802013-08-23T11:17:28.652-04:002013-08-23T11:17:28.652-04:00Without trolls Somerby would be a lonely old
Cotte...Without trolls Somerby would be a lonely old<br />Cotter. Although, some say it is not hard to reply to yourself. Studies show bloggers are more likely to do it when posting about headlines over Test results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18805110751574098422013-08-23T11:10:36.839-04:002013-08-23T11:10:36.839-04:00Oh please anon and CeceliaMc. First anaon, my com...Oh please anon and CeceliaMc. First anaon, my comment doesn't concede anything.<br /><br />Both of you are doing your best melodramatic spinning to avoid the main point. It wasn't any of your of Bob's usual suspects that started this tempest in a teapot. It was the guy who was actually there and recorded it, characterized the event and posted it on his Facebook page. <br /><br />Then it took off well before the "traditional media" and others got involved. Of course, like Bob, you mostly focused on part of the latter while trying to downplay the former.<br /><br />After all, that many other people happen to agree with they guy doesn't matter, huh? They are just being driven by their masters to tribal frenzy. Even if some of those agreeing people are not part of the same tribe! They couldn't have any actual opinions of their own. Just mere sheep being led to chase after a "bogus story" whereas you know better. <br /><br />Oh the callous disregard for the opinions of others! Such wanton disrespect for the opinions of regular people! Oh woe! Where is my fainting couch when I need it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65744668914643985682013-08-23T11:00:19.738-04:002013-08-23T11:00:19.738-04:00Anon10:43, as titillating as it is to imagine MSNB...Anon10:43, as titillating as it is to imagine MSNBC pointing out race-baiting, I do recognize that such dynamics can legitimately be scorned by less than perfect people.<br /><br />By the same token I don't think it's de facto hypocritical to ironically illustrate hypocrisy in politicians. <br /><br />How about you?CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56557775509352611462013-08-23T10:47:24.456-04:002013-08-23T10:47:24.456-04:00Nice dodge. I understand what Somerby's conte...Nice dodge. I understand what Somerby's context is and I understand what you are claiming it is which, may or may not be the same thing though they do intersect on occasion. <br /><br />So, instead of dodging answer my question instead of trying to insert your question "on the table". When somebody on MSNBC invariably points out the rightwing race baiting surrounding the Chris Lane case what will Somerby do? Btw, how would MSNBC pointing that out be an example of the use of the same "shameful tactics"? Pointing out race baiting is the same as race baiting? That doesn't make sense.<br /><br />Anyway, my point and option stands. Somerby might get around to it sometime next week but only to criticize a Chris Hayes "White Noise" segment or something like that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41081601121214896252013-08-23T10:46:52.557-04:002013-08-23T10:46:52.557-04:00Homer Simpson was studying the Itchy and Scratchy ...Homer Simpson was studying the Itchy and Scratchy Show, and with a clipboard in hand, watching the television, he said, "I never knew mice led such interesting lives!"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76417386927302886592013-08-23T10:43:15.757-04:002013-08-23T10:43:15.757-04:00Yet another example of the callous disregard for p...Yet another example of the callous disregard for people's lives.<br /><br />No one was killed, and the impugned rodeo worker is getting job offers, so everything is just fine.<br /><br />Claims of racism do taint people. They will follow this rodeo clown around. They did cause a man to resign his career. They did initiate a WH response that further validated a bogus story that further stereotypes people. These charges generally are divisive and dumb.<br /><br />If we're going to make tributes to an attitude of restraint and moderation ( while applauding mass Youtube driven outrage) why can't it be on the side of NOT ginning up a firestorm of racial animus, just once in awhile?<br /><br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5664614895356903462013-08-23T10:40:12.095-04:002013-08-23T10:40:12.095-04:00"Likened to the KKK". More drama but, ta...<i>"Likened to the KKK". More drama but, take that up with the person who first brought it to public attention and who, unlike Bob or you, was actually there. </i><br /><br />This completely concedes the point to CeceliaMc.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45511923989669672762013-08-23T10:23:49.833-04:002013-08-23T10:23:49.833-04:00Anon 10:30,
I will give you the benefit of the do...Anon 10:30,<br /><br />I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and grant that you are pretending not to understand the years-long tenor of this blog. Over and over (and over and over), Somerby's context is that we all know the right-wing media is horrible, and the question on the table is are the left-wing elements of the media starting to use the same shameful tactics?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-949107401333311522013-08-23T09:50:29.090-04:002013-08-23T09:50:29.090-04:00Yes, again despite your dramatic and distorted ima...Yes, again despite your dramatic and distorted imaginings, a minor tempest at best. <br /><br />As has been told to you before, the rodeo clown has not been banned from his job in the state. He's been banned from future state fairs in MO and not all rodeos and he's received a lot of offers for other work.<br /><br />"Likened to the KKK". More drama but, take that up with the person who first brought it to public attention and who, unlike Bob or you, was actually there. <br /><br />There was no "public rebuke from the POTUS" himself. You do like to exaggerate. A WH spokesman simply said the incident was embarrassing for the state which, based upon the actions/statements of the MO. Rep. and Dem. politicians and State Fair officials prior to that spokesman's statement, they apparently agreed with that assessment.<br /><br />Yes, again, a very minor tempest that's mostly over except for the rightwing media hustlers playing their tribe. Bob has arrived at this several days late and several dollars short but, it's good fodder for his usual narrative. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5221902490269016172013-08-23T09:27:09.046-04:002013-08-23T09:27:09.046-04:00Wow, great answers. One blatant lie ("all thr...Wow, great answers. One blatant lie ("all three suspects are black") followed by one bit of hysterical nonsense. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82340482154934574422013-08-23T08:50:09.572-04:002013-08-23T08:50:09.572-04:00One person banned from his job in the state and im...One person banned from his job in the state and impugned all over the internet.<br /><br />The head of the association resigned. <br /><br />The audience likened to the KKK.<br /><br />A public rebuke from POTUS.<br /><br />A 'minor tempest"...huh?<br /><br />All in a weeks work.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25680122209490268922013-08-23T02:00:31.073-04:002013-08-23T02:00:31.073-04:00I think it's some compensation that the Alex W...I think it's some compensation that the Alex Wagner show's ratings are stunningly low, just 26,000 viewers in the 25-54 age group according to this link (the most recent I can find): http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/05/03/msnbcs-now-with-alex-wagner-hits-series-low/180983/ fairlefthttp://my.firedoglake.com/fairleftnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26499197475325312292013-08-22T23:32:08.113-04:002013-08-22T23:32:08.113-04:00Don't worry. We will soon hear from the presi...Don't worry. We will soon hear from the president and he will muse that his grandfather looked like Shorty or his son might have looked like Chris Lane. He will talk about the epidemic of black teen thugs attacking white people, won't he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75325975329159448042013-08-22T23:25:04.424-04:002013-08-22T23:25:04.424-04:00All three of the suspects are indeed black, includ...All three of the suspects are indeed black, including the driver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14072739876022777722013-08-22T22:30:18.963-04:002013-08-22T22:30:18.963-04:00So Somerby readers which is more likely;
Bob call...So Somerby readers which is more likely;<br /><br />Bob calling out the rightwing media race baiting surrounding the Chris Lane murder which included falsely identifying all of the suspects as black and attempting to bait the POTUS to comment base on that false information?<br /><br />Or,<br /><br />Bob calling out his usual MSNBC, etc. suspects when they invariably point out the rightwing media race baiting surrounding the Chris Lane murder?<br /><br />I know which option I have my money on. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com