tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4619927391889725202..comments2024-03-29T05:30:01.292-04:00Comments on the daily howler: How much should a mind-reader cost!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40007007024400885252012-04-10T11:46:57.332-04:002012-04-10T11:46:57.332-04:00I'm certain that ALEC and the NRA will hire hi...I'm certain that ALEC and the NRA will hire him as the new spokesman for "Stand Your Ground" laws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43145674359605537212012-04-10T09:54:38.774-04:002012-04-10T09:54:38.774-04:00Maybe they really like each other.Maybe they really like each other.nomatter_nevermindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60741223332004511462012-04-10T09:32:45.821-04:002012-04-10T09:32:45.821-04:00Yeah, you keep picking that nit. It changes nothi...Yeah, you keep picking that nit. It changes nothing. I am not mindreading and you know it. I am making a very logical inference from the undisputed factual record.<br /><br />Tell me something. Would it matter to you, would your opinion be in any way altered if Zimmerman was still in his car when the dispatcher told him not to follow Martin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22658251717195871312012-04-10T08:52:51.989-04:002012-04-10T08:52:51.989-04:00In a technical, literal sense, one should stop ass...In a technical, literal sense, one should stop asserting "Zimmerman was not told to stay in his car" -- it isn't what happened.<br /><br />"What do you suppose..."<br /><br />Stick to the facts, give up mindreading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25252146346465950652012-04-10T08:49:42.899-04:002012-04-10T08:49:42.899-04:00And remember, these "five to eight" blac...And remember, these "five to eight" black dudes all piled out of a "mid-size vehicle."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14916473810360699152012-04-10T08:43:57.638-04:002012-04-10T08:43:57.638-04:00Too bad the five to eight black dudes didn't s...Too bad the five to eight black dudes didn't stick around to give their side of the story.<br /><br />They were standing their ground.nomatter_nevermindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86091844655228104272012-04-10T08:37:13.525-04:002012-04-10T08:37:13.525-04:00Well, if that's what the white victim said, it...Well, if that's what the white victim said, it must be true, David.<br /><br />One little detail you left out:<br /><br />"She said the victim had been drinking and could not provide a description of the attackers or their vehicle, only that it was a mid-size vehicle."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41631928383288945672012-04-10T04:35:25.246-04:002012-04-10T04:35:25.246-04:00Braintree here from a public computer.
Fine, real...Braintree here from a public computer.<br /><br />Fine, real anonymous. And those are real concerns you cite. The one where he throws a woman is especially troubling. <br /><br />However, there are huge questions about the sequence we are supposed to believe. Usually when you call the cops it's because you want them to handle a problem rather than handling it yourself.<br /><br />I also don't see Zimmerman attacking Martin when he's been told not to, when he knows the cops are on the way and where neighbors can spot him. And I especially don't see him shooting Martin when Martin is supposedly screaming for help. <br /><br />And if Zimmerman is that big a loony tune then the issue shouldn't be so much about race as it about Amjerica's insanely lax gun laws.<br /><br />Have to run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42835489510011378292012-04-10T02:05:47.822-04:002012-04-10T02:05:47.822-04:00Man tells police group yelled ‘Trayvon,' then ...<a href="http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120409/ARTICLES/120409617/-1/news?Title=Man-tells-police-group-yelled-8216-Trayvon-then-beat-him" rel="nofollow">Man tells police group yelled ‘Trayvon,' then beat him</a><br /><br /><i>Police are investigating the “racially motivated” beating of a 27-year-old man who was walking home from midtown bars early Saturday when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who shouted “Trayvon” before the attack.<br /><br />We do believe that the crime was racially motivated,” Gainesville Police Department spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said.<br /><br />The assailants were black, while the victim is white, Valuri said....<br /><br />During what he told police was a five-minute beating, he sustained injuries to the left eye, abrasions to his palms and a cut on his right kneecap, and Valuri said he would likely have “permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face.”</i>David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60653742806787879922012-04-10T00:08:29.862-04:002012-04-10T00:08:29.862-04:00Maybe Fox will hire him like they did Mark Furhman...Maybe Fox will hire him like they did Mark Furhman of OJ fame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-488729130366974152012-04-09T22:11:10.610-04:002012-04-09T22:11:10.610-04:00"You can see this story one way and only one ..."You can see this story one way and only one way. "<br /><br />Hey I'd Iike to belive Zimmerman wasn't the guy who pursued a car through traffic causing his victim to tell police he was afraid Zimmerman was going to attack him.<br /><br />I'd also like to believe Zimmerman wasn't the guy fired from a "security" job at house parties for, as a fellow employee says, being "overzealous" and throwing a drunk woman across a room.<br /><br />I'd also like to believe Zimmerman didn't intefere with an arrest and wasn't charged with battery on a police officer.<br /><br />But being opened minded is not the same as ignoring the facts, not by a long shot.<br /><br />Sure its possible things occurred exactly as ZImmerman says they did but based on what we know about the two individuals involved, I wouldn't count on it.The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72134599228617975542012-04-09T21:50:51.675-04:002012-04-09T21:50:51.675-04:00"What in Zimmerman's background leads you..."What in Zimmerman's background leads you to believe he wasn't the aggresor and what in Martin's background leads you to believe he was."<br /><br />A few isolated incidents do not a personality make. They are disturbing, they are a potential indication but alone they are simply not enough.<br /><br />You might want to ask a lawyer about that. <br /><br />In any case, since none of you will allow that Zimmerman might be innocent, it's clear that you've made up your minds and my charge that you have decided that you know what reality is when none of us know what reality is is correct. You can throw all the temper tantrums you want but you're still stuck with that unfortunate piece of reality.<br /><br />You can see this story one way and only one way. <br /><br />You are angry, abusive, close-minded twits. <br /><br />And you're very good at it.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73266185042929547342012-04-09T21:46:42.233-04:002012-04-09T21:46:42.233-04:00It's been reported that George Zimmerman has l...It's been reported that George Zimmerman has launched a web site with a paypal account for those who would like to donate. It's http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/ <br /><br />At the moment it's "temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems."<br /><br />It would be great for us armchair experts if Zimmerman would use that site to lay out in detail his version of what happened. I'll be happily surprised if he does that.<br /><br />My source for this info is the UK Telegraph:<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9194766/Trayvon-Martin-killing-George-Zimmerman-launches-website.htmlDavid in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28218724268045837142012-04-09T21:09:28.177-04:002012-04-09T21:09:28.177-04:00One of these days Chris Serino will testify under ...One of these days Chris Serino will testify under oath and sign an affidavit. <br />I'll wait till I see it.gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46578343296461925502012-04-09T20:34:59.163-04:002012-04-09T20:34:59.163-04:00Yep. If we played the "it could have happened...Yep. If we played the "it could have happened" game, there would be no sense in having laws. After all, anything "could have happened" as long as the perp can concoct a fairy tale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73068672048831266242012-04-09T20:22:28.363-04:002012-04-09T20:22:28.363-04:00"Zimmerman was not told to stay in his car&qu..."Zimmerman was not told to stay in his car".<br /><br />Why do you insist on picking at this nit?<br /><br />Yes, you are correct. In a technical, literal sense. But don't you see, that's only because Zimmerman didn't ask the dispatcher if he should hop out of his car and chase the youth. What do you suppose the dispatcher would have answered? It is a totally insignificant technicality that the dispatcher told him to stop only after he realized what Zimmerman was doing. It changes nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50429055418481604332012-04-09T19:02:26.699-04:002012-04-09T19:02:26.699-04:00" Just because you have a record of aggressio..." Just because you have a record of aggression in one place doesn't mean you're aggressive all the time."<br /><br />Yeah and just because you're packing doesn't mean you'd pull it out when pursuing a "suspicious" male who may turn and fire on you at any moment.<br /><br />Use your common sense dude, just like a prosecutor would ask you if you were on a jury.The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-576940811652840232012-04-09T18:58:17.981-04:002012-04-09T18:58:17.981-04:00"I'm not saying it definitely happened th..."I'm not saying it definitely happened that way. Never have. Only that it could have happened that way and that the possibility cannot, at this point, be plausibly ruled out."<br /><br />And you still haven't the pertinent questions:<br /><br />What in ZImmerman's background leads you to believe he wasn't the aggresor and what in Martin's background leads you to believe he was.<br /><br />You just mumble some bullshit about adolescent males.The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73582161790804993602012-04-09T18:55:48.667-04:002012-04-09T18:55:48.667-04:00To answer your last question, I think the record s...To answer your last question, I think the record shows that Zimmerman might very well be the aggressor in this case but that is far from conclusive. Just because you have a record of aggression in one place doesn't mean you're aggressive all the time.<br /><br />I have to run out now but will try and check back in later.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55685611520643619592012-04-09T18:53:03.810-04:002012-04-09T18:53:03.810-04:00Real anonymous,
It still doesn't prove anythi...Real anonymous,<br /><br />It still doesn't prove anything. For one thing we're hearing about what a great kid Martin was after being killed. People are generally loath to speak ill of the dead. The social consequences of dissing Martin at this point are grave. There could be lots of people biting their tongues.<br /><br />Also, I've encountered people with good reputations who were, to use an expression invented by Kurt Vonnegut to describe such types "sparrow farts."<br /><br />Martin could have resented being followed, failed to have seen the gun and decided to show Zimmerman what for. Adolescent males, even ones people like and generally make a good impression, are notorious for pulling that kind of stuff. I'm not saying it definitely happened that way. Never have. Only that it could have happened that way and that the possibility cannot, at this point, be plausibly ruled out. <br /><br />Do you agree that Zimmerman might--and I only say might--have acted under a reasonable presumption of self defense? Is it not at all possible that he's telling a straight story? I think he could be and I also think he could be guilty of murder.<br /><br />If you say anything other than yes, then you are claiming to know reality and any talk about suggesting scenarios is just a lot of gas.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76775178929882629762012-04-09T18:48:23.041-04:002012-04-09T18:48:23.041-04:00"You have blatantly dismissed any idea that Z..."You have blatantly dismissed any idea that Zimmerman may have a good case and is telling the truth. You are quite obviously closed-minded on the subject."<br /><br />I'm open minded. That doesn't mean I disregard the facts.<br /><br />Again, absent forensic evidence we've got to use common sense.<br /><br />What in Martin's record leads you to believe Zimmerman's story is anything close to the truth: he was attacked unprovoked.<br /><br />What in Zimmerman's record leads you to believe he wasn't the aggressor?The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14201628112572621782012-04-09T18:44:13.160-04:002012-04-09T18:44:13.160-04:00"I did answer enough to show that you're ..."I did answer enough to show that you're on shaky ground."<br /><br />You answered nothing to be exact. Maybe in this conversation you're having in your head you think you did.<br /><br />I can't account for that.<br /><br />Again, we have on record a motorist afraid Zimmerman was going to attack him.<br /><br />Why would Martin with no record of violence, be any different?<br /><br />Crickets is your answerThe Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28565405155620877262012-04-09T18:40:57.351-04:002012-04-09T18:40:57.351-04:00"Cops, believe it or not do not always pull t..."Cops, believe it or not do not always pull their guns out pursuing someone who's suspicious."<br /><br />Dude, really?<br /><br />Cops have fired at someone showing them their wallet for ID.<br /><br />41 shots to be exact!!The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71974983284568135392012-04-09T18:37:40.635-04:002012-04-09T18:37:40.635-04:00The real anonymous,
I didn't answer every que...The real anonymous,<br /><br />I didn't answer every question, but I did answer enough to show that you're on shaky ground.<br /><br />What you call "word games" I call logic.<br /><br />You also seem to have a strange idea of the meaning of the phrase "slinking away with [my] tail between my legs." Don't I have to leave first?<br /><br />You have blatantly dismissed any idea that Zimmerman may have a good case and is telling the truth. You are quite obviously closed-minded on the subject. When I asked, "How do you know Zimmerman's gun was visible?" you replied, "common sense." That is you were claiming to know that it was, in fact, visible. Calling your claim a "reasonable scenario," is bullshit. The truth is you were claiming fact.Hieronymus Braintreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05303938809800287873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-2354278381913443122012-04-09T18:32:50.779-04:002012-04-09T18:32:50.779-04:00"Martin's background is indicative but pr..."Martin's background is indicative but proves nothing."<br /><br />Again, what in Martin's background leads you to believe he would attack someone without provocation.<br /><br />Isn't it more reasonable to believe Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman the same way the motorist who told the cops he was afraid Zimmerman was going to attack him was.<br /><br />Again, feel free to use any facts we have about Martin including the 150 hacked facebook pages.The Real Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com