tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post4671965847437131510..comments2024-03-28T05:37:00.890-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Maddow watch: Has your Daily Howler been getting results?<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10718148122739306552012-05-17T22:12:01.323-04:002012-05-17T22:12:01.323-04:00Do you suppose his use of "The One True Liber...Do you suppose his use of "The One True Liberal Channel" is a clue?mknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43465022686360264402012-05-16T20:38:02.511-04:002012-05-16T20:38:02.511-04:00I'm not sure you can peak too soon in a campai...I'm not sure you can peak too soon in a campaign. It's at the center of how Romney will attempt to define himself. Republicans, and I know it went a bit further, didn't hesitate to drum the "invented the internet", nonsense, they didn't wait til October. If it's a liability, hammer it. Politically speaking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-92151436815492906622012-05-16T19:28:28.053-04:002012-05-16T19:28:28.053-04:00So, out of curiosity, why isn't Bob's pref...So, out of curiosity, why isn't Bob's preferred term "looting" also part of a tribal, novelized, spin-rather-than-facts presentation of the Bain story? If it's tribal and novelizing to describe what happened to Lauber at Cranbrook as a form of gay-bashing so that all good liberals can cluck their tongues at the unenlightened opposition, isn't it just as novelistic to choose a word that makes Romney and Bain into pirates? That's been a crowd-pleasing tale since the 17th century. I don't get how Bob decides which rhetorical devices are legitimate and which are unforgivable license.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58278987718691600152012-05-16T17:41:39.396-04:002012-05-16T17:41:39.396-04:00Yes, cacambo, at one time, Somerby did spend a lot...Yes, cacambo, at one time, Somerby did spend a lot of time debunking the claims of liberal media coming from the likes of Bernie Goldberg and Ann Coulter.<br /><br />Now he is practically indistinguishable from them in his obsessive criticism of MSNBC and the NYT, with the Washington Post thrown in every now and then for good measure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82904272674348074882012-05-16T17:06:46.684-04:002012-05-16T17:06:46.684-04:00Dear Anonymous 12:17,
So you agree with Bob? That...Dear Anonymous 12:17,<br /><br />So you agree with Bob? That's all I can gather from your post. He's spent years debunking the "liberal media" canard. Really, everything in your post above could have come from a Daily Howler blog post. What gives?<br /><br />And how about doing us all a favor and choosing a screen name so we can avoid the tiresome routine of referring to "Anonymous" this and "Anonymous" that. Your style distinguishes you as it is, that strange puffed-up outrage at Somerby's faults, real and imagined.cacambonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36076487205229539672012-05-16T15:36:33.539-04:002012-05-16T15:36:33.539-04:00But...The PBGC is authorized to borrow up to $100 ...But...The PBGC is authorized to borrow up to $100 million from the U.S. Treasury and P.L. 96-364 requires that the PBGC's receipts and disbursements be included in federal budget totals. Since 2000, the corporation has been running a deficit in both of its reserve funds. $26 billion total in fY2011. With pension plans going the way of the dodo, I suspect that tax payers will eventually be holding the bag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52154480316674107952012-05-16T13:54:29.539-04:002012-05-16T13:54:29.539-04:00As a long time reader, I believe The Daily Howler ...As a long time reader, I believe The Daily Howler believes that on some issues, some of the time, yes, Virgina, there is a liberal media. As for Maddow, perhaps we should simply display better manners, like Cal Thomas.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30218463186900618822012-05-16T13:26:24.554-04:002012-05-16T13:26:24.554-04:00As Einstein noted, it all depends on the position ...As Einstein noted, it all depends on the position of the observer.<br /><br /> - From a blog in today's Arizona Republic, mocking a comment that Fox and Rush were right wing propagandist, this rebuttal. - <br /><br />You mean as opposed to MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, NYT, LA Times, Boston Globe, and on and on...?gravymeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075831177588700301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68366328155880435032012-05-16T13:05:54.732-04:002012-05-16T13:05:54.732-04:00@Horace Feathers
Ah, the irony defense!
I coun...@Horace Feathers<br /><br />Ah, the irony defense! <br /><br />I count myself an expert, when it comes to Bob's use of "liberal" on this site. You have "fiery liberals", "mainstream liberals", "'liberals'" (in quotes), pseudo-liberals, etc.<br /><br />Now, some of these monikers are doubtless meant to be ironic (though in what precise sense, if any, is left to the imagination of Bob's readers), but the nomenclature is so diverse by now, who but you has the discernment to know what in the world Bob is talking about, when he mentions liberal or liberalism? Does he he mean "real" liberals? Somehow contemptible liberals? Phony liberals? Real but blinkered liberals?<br /><br />For example, just the other day, CBS and NBC were reproached as "liberal" media. Was Bob being ironic, apparently satirizing the right-wing which holds that preposterous view? Or was reproaching these networks for being inadequately liberal? Only Horace Feathers knows for sure.<br /><br />So you're absolutely right: these subtleties do escape some of us. Just thank your stars for your superior mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88542073966888681702012-05-16T12:48:41.084-04:002012-05-16T12:48:41.084-04:00While I am not absolutely certain, but after readi...While I am not absolutely certain, but after reading Bob for some time, I believe his use of the term "liberal media" is ironic, and is the result of decades of referrals of the media by the right as being liberal. Of course, such subtleties escape some.<br /><br />Horace FeathersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28620199933736069782012-05-16T12:17:03.170-04:002012-05-16T12:17:03.170-04:00Speaking of "results".... It appears Bob...Speaking of "results".... It appears Bob *may* have finally been dissuaded from referring -- just as the right wing does -- to mainstream media, as "liberal" media, simply and only because the actors who read the news and conduct interviews on TV tend are obviously coastal "liberals" on social issues, to wit, reproduction and sexual conduct (i.e., they support gay marriage and freedom of abortion and contraception) and socially liberal on the environment to the extent it doesn't cost them anything. That they're also toadies to power, love corporate America and are right-wingers on matters of taxation and war is conveniently forgotten.<br /><br />Now, having achieved this landmark at The Howler -- the mainstream media is not "liberal" media! -- what can we do to persuade Bob that MSNBC is not a liberal network, that it doesn't speak for liberals, that liberals don't control it, and that shilling for Democrats for ratings is not the same as "liberalism". <br /><br />How many times does this simple assertion, which Mr. Somerby has never attempted to refute, have to be presented in comments to achieve "results"?<br /><br />Finally, speaking of Rhodes Scholars -- I've known a few, including at Oxford (and no, I wasn't one of them). They're chosen largely for being inoffensive, and unlikely to scandalize the U.S. The fact that Maddow comes from a military family (so she says, anyway) no doubt had a lot to do with her selection. Some level of academic competence is required, but high intelligence and an original mind are not sought or required.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48268751113530378942012-05-16T12:09:25.528-04:002012-05-16T12:09:25.528-04:00According to the PBGC.gov website: "Operation...According to the PBGC.gov website: "Operations are financed by insurance premiums set by Congress and paid by sponsors of defined benefit plans, investment income, assets from pension plans trusteed by PBGC, and recoveries from the companies formerly responsible for the plans."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com