tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post5962578269838981471..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: OUR LOGIC, OUR FACTS: Can we put our faith in our tribe's Storylines?<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64885467173846748142021-12-16T10:41:04.201-05:002021-12-16T10:41:04.201-05:00This is ad hominem attack and does not deal with t...This is ad hominem attack and does not deal with the subject at hand. Likely because the source of this silly outburst has no facts or arguments. It is an infant banging its spoon on the highchair. Taggerezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04587427643265185967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37486086276954570452021-12-15T23:13:52.099-05:002021-12-15T23:13:52.099-05:00This is what is important, not this bullshit Somer...This is what is important, not this bullshit Somerby is trying distract everyone with:<br /><br />“All of my colleagues, all of them knew that what happened on January 6th was an assault on the constitution. They knew it at the time yet now they are defending the indefensible… How we address January 6th is moral test of our generation.”<br /><br />— Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), on the House floor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32976944039791369042021-12-15T22:42:21.186-05:002021-12-15T22:42:21.186-05:00https://aaronrupar.substack.com/p/mark-meadows-tex...https://aaronrupar.substack.com/p/mark-meadows-texts-fox-news-anchors-january-6?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMTM1MDIsInBvc3RfaWQiOjQ1NDc3NzIyLCJfIjoiRW8rcUciLCJpYXQiOjE2Mzk1OTQ2NjQsImV4cCI6MTYzOTU5ODI2NCwiaXNzIjoicHViLTUwMTQyMyIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.7rKgPk92I3TDLOj8ShLXVJDph_frhdBGm0V9Bhm6VO4<br /><br />It took Fox News almost a full day to come up with a way to spin revelations that prominent anchors texted Mark Meadows on January 6 and pleaded with him to persuade then-President Trump to do something about the attack on the Capitol — only to go on the air that day and try and shift blame to anyone but Trump. And when Fox finally did figure out talking points to explain that disconnect, they weren’t particularly persuasive.<br /><br />Why should anyone care? Fox News spinning and making weak arguments in service of Trump isn’t really notable at this point, after all. But the January 6 double talk by Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham set the tone for the Republican Party’s line about January 6, and no doubt played a role in convincing many of its viewers that Trump’s coup attempt was actually no big deal.<br /><br />As I detailed yesterday, texts released by the January 6 committee on Monday evening fully revealed the cynicism involved in Fox News’s effort over the past year to reframe a violent attack by Trump supporters to overturn the 2020 election results as the work of antifa or a trap set by FBI agents. Hannity, Ingraham, and Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade all tried to absolve Trump and his supporters of blame on the air, while privately making clear that they believed he was responsible and had the power to stop it.<br /><br />“Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home,” Ingraham wrote to Meadows as the Capitol was being ransacked. “This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy.”<br /><br />That message shows that Ingraham rightfully placed blame on Trump for inciting the violent unrest. But hours later, she went on TV and sang a very different tune, saying “there are some reports that antifa was sprinkled throughout the crowd.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65151047927609244612021-12-15T22:13:11.852-05:002021-12-15T22:13:11.852-05:00Politics is not tribal warfare. The right wing inv...Politics is not tribal warfare. The right wing invented that idea and it is wrong. That Somerby repeats this right-wing meme here shows where Somerby is coming from.<br /><br />Somerby doesn't know any scholars, much less anthropologists. This is a conceit of his, and it is tired and wrong. Someone coming here for the first time will have a very hard time figuring out what Somerby means when he says this crap. It has become so personal to him that it resembles stream-of-consciousness schizophrenic ideation. In Somerby's case, it doesn't matter if what he says makes sense, as long as it is negative toward the left and his other targets (journalists, professors, women, black professionals, Maddow specifically and other gay cable news hosts).<br /><br />It is time for Somerby to find a different hobby (or is it a job?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61917325632521398842021-12-15T22:08:47.370-05:002021-12-15T22:08:47.370-05:00Somerby asks whether we can trust our own tribe...Somerby asks whether we can trust our own tribe's facts and logic. Does he mean to say that people just blindly follow their tribes?<br /><br />In my experience, people are testing facts against their own experiences, including the various sources they read, few of which are official tribe bulletins. We use our own logic to think about what we hear. The more broadly we sample information and think about things, including discussing what we read with trusted others, the more we arrive at our own conclusions and develop our own ideas. I don't see anyone just repeating what he or she hears on MSNBC or CNN. I don't know whether folks blindly repeat what they hear on Fox News though. Maybe Somerby's beliefs about how people think come from the Fox audience, not the left? <br /><br />It seems like, not only does Somerby want to undermine faith in what is said by Maddow and others on cable news, but he wants to undermine our faith in our own thinking, our own logic. I am resistant to that because I live inside my own head and I disagree that his criticisms apply to how my mind works. His repeated assertions that WE think some particular way, strike me as attempted gaslighting.<br /><br />If you think about it, Somerby says awful things about the way his own readers approach the world. He doesn't know any of us, so he has no basis for doing that. That makes it all the more likely that he is working hard to undermine the left, not just journalists but also each of us who reads his blog. Who does that? Not anyone who wishes us well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31566193916586543632021-12-15T13:49:14.971-05:002021-12-15T13:49:14.971-05:00Good one, mh :)
Of course your aware that the the...Good one, mh :)<br /><br />Of course your aware that the the lies told by CNN and FoxNews about each other aren't important. The fact that they tell these malicious lies is important. The lies promote viewership, but at the cost of promoting group hatred.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82814451904527250252021-12-15T13:10:22.065-05:002021-12-15T13:10:22.065-05:00So you’re saying Somerby’s post is pointless and a...So you’re saying Somerby’s post is pointless and a waste of time. mhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08937133532381705347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-23580652169236032532021-12-15T12:55:00.742-05:002021-12-15T12:55:00.742-05:00...what about that CNN senior producer in the news......what about that CNN senior producer in the news, dear Bob? <br /><br />Tsk. What a story, eh? We bet he's extremely good at toeing your cult's party line. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58319906510255045972021-12-15T12:13:52.617-05:002021-12-15T12:13:52.617-05:00So partisan cable TV stations devote air time to c...So partisan cable TV stations devote air time to criticizing other partisan cable TV stations. What a waste. It just isn't important news that FOXNews thinks CNN is inaccurate or vice versa.David in Calhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10222355423128534221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66321913951253746312021-12-15T12:11:55.237-05:002021-12-15T12:11:55.237-05:00Anyone who isn't a bigot, or isn't perfect...Anyone who isn't a bigot, or isn't perfectly fine with bigotry, left the Republican Party more than two decades ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28619248640672523102021-12-15T11:59:19.553-05:002021-12-15T11:59:19.553-05:00tldr, but as usual, thank you, dear Bob, for docum...<br />tldr, but as usual, thank you, dear Bob, for documenting a tiny portion of the recent liberal-goebbelsian atrocities.<br /><br />Anyhow: "<b>Can we put our faith in our tribe's Storylines?</b>" you ask. <br /><br />Not only you can, dear Bob -- you do. Otherwise, you and your comrades -- 25% of the US adults altogether -- would've immediately stopped self-identifying as 'liberal'.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59460756114834076102021-12-15T11:00:41.817-05:002021-12-15T11:00:41.817-05:00ma0 mao * VVVVma0 mao * VVVVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com