tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6634601730023096178..comments2024-03-28T20:08:17.629-04:00Comments on the daily howler: David Gregory inquired on the basis of race!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27970083501315172252012-10-03T20:42:04.161-04:002012-10-03T20:42:04.161-04:00We really still doubt that she wasn't fine wit...We really still doubt that she wasn't fine with her minority status being used in, at the very least, "flattering" way that would help her career? Being around colleges much of her life she knew that have the status of a minority could only help her in her career. While I don't know if she promoted it all the time, she sure didnt complain when other people were using her claims as a minority to bolster her reputation. According to the Christian Science Monitor: <br /><br />1. She listed herself as a minority with the AALS. <br />2. Harvard listed that they a Native American on staff<br />3. The Crimson listed her as the first woman with a minority background to be tenured. <br />4. Was also listed as a "Women of color" by the Harvard Women's Law Journal<br />3. According to CSM, "Warren has not asked that Harvard release documents related to her hiring, as Brown has urged her to do. Some important details about her career advancement remain in question."<br /><br />http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Senate/2012/0926/Elizabeth-Warren-and-Cherokee-heritage-what-is-known-about-allegations/%28page%29/2Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49009156310702968752012-10-03T18:54:36.348-04:002012-10-03T18:54:36.348-04:00Nah, just people who can read. So, you're out....Nah, just people who can read. So, you're out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90392881938687470962012-10-03T18:53:37.184-04:002012-10-03T18:53:37.184-04:00"4. Somerby is not in the least bit bothered ..."4. Somerby is not in the least bit bothered that Gregory continued waste time to advance this silliness."<br /><br />Actually, Somerby's phrase "if [Gregory] was going to spend all that time on the topic" sure indicates to most people who can read that he thinks it was a big waste of time.<br /><br />But you're not big on reading comprehension, so that probably went right over your head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34780263383113145102012-10-03T16:15:22.523-04:002012-10-03T16:15:22.523-04:00Again? Oh, dear...
Of course, if you truly had a...Again? Oh, dear...<br /><br />Of course, if you truly had any interest in the truth you'd concede that it isn't so cut-and-dried on either side, and thus ripe for examination.<br /><br />Harvard would deny that ethnicity had any bearing on Warren's hiring. Their saying otherwise might open a shipping crate full of worms. What we do know is that the powers-that-be at Harvard were aware of Warren's claim to Indian ancestry enough that they claimed her to be a minority member.<br /><br />We know too that Warren billed herself as a minority hire by filling out the requisite forms that it took in order for her to appear with the status of Native American in the ALLS Directory.<br /><br /><br />On a gut reaction commonsensical note, there are a plethora of Americans with Native American heritage. How many of them are filling out documents that designate themselves as being minority members? <br /><br />None of this is a smoking gun, but it's certainly enough to support the more thoughtful and honest position that the matter could use more examination. You know...the position that Somerby holds....<br /><br /><br /><br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56092446589998078462012-10-03T15:00:02.593-04:002012-10-03T15:00:02.593-04:00Ah yes. What Bob really said was something he didn...Ah yes. What Bob really said was something he didn't say at all.<br /><br />Only his loyal tribe with their secret decoder rings got the message.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37440868553941287372012-10-03T14:58:51.906-04:002012-10-03T14:58:51.906-04:00Since the simple truth has once again gone over yo...Since the simple truth has once again gone over your head again, Cecelia, allow me to walk you through it step by step.<br /><br />1. Scott Brown makes a very serious allegation that Elizabeth Warren lied about her Native American heritage.<br /><br />2. Brown further accuses Warren of using the lie to advance her career.<br /><br />3. Brown has presented no evidence to support either accusation, and the second one has been refuted by members of the Harvard committee who interviewed and hired her, who have said the issue of her heritage never came up.<br /><br />4. Somerby is not in the least bit bothered that Gregory continued waste time to advance this silliness. On the contrary "it depends on the degree of interest this dispute has in Massachusetts".<br /><br />5. Somerby believes the "nature and extent" of Warren's heritage should be "examined." In other words, it's "birther" all over again.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86574116772708096212012-10-03T13:28:31.019-04:002012-10-03T13:28:31.019-04:00Your quote, imbecile, doesn't show in the leas...Your quote, imbecile, doesn't show in the least that Somerby wants "the media to hold Warren's feet to the fire."<br /><br />But since you haven't got reading comprehension going in your favor, I'll explain it to you:<br /><br />"Since that is the actual accusation, it would have made sense for Gregory to try to determine the nature and extent of Warren’s Native American ancestry, if he was going to spend all that time on the topic."<br /><br />The translation of that, since you so obviously can't get it through your head, is:<br /><br />"David Gregory is a charlatan and a time-waster. He had a pretend attempt to address this issue, that actually didn't address it."<br /><br />Only an idiot such as yourself could think it means "the media should hold Warren's feet to the fire."<br /><br />(I'm being nice to you, you notice? I'm pretending you actually believe the stupid shit you post.<br /><br />A more uncharitable reading, but an accurate one no doubt, would be that you don't believe you own bullshit for a second, it's just your reflexive anti-Somerby bias coming out again. We haven't forgotten, you know, your many promises that you wouldn't bother coming around here anymore.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7012590895405711082012-10-03T11:44:02.487-04:002012-10-03T11:44:02.487-04:00If there's any issue here at all it would be w...If there's any issue here at all it would be whether Warren knowingly lied about her ancestry and benefited from her lie. Wouldn't that be easy enough to prove? Let Scott come forward with it.<br /><br />My family lore has me as one-sixteenth Cherokee. Whether that's actually true or not,there are a lot of us who live with that belief, based only what our mamas tell us. But I never speak of myself as "Native American" or of my "Native American ancestry." The common language, when the subject comes up, is "part Indian" but we think of ourselves as white.<br /><br />To hear Maddow speak of Warren as a put-upon minority is a bit much. I doubt she thinks of herself that way.<br /><br />Jeeves Stumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17716700263908484003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49077881171451733212012-10-03T10:00:23.441-04:002012-10-03T10:00:23.441-04:00I thought the post was about Maddow's ambition...I thought the post was about Maddow's ambition outweighing our interests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77799303948924763512012-10-03T09:43:22.416-04:002012-10-03T09:43:22.416-04:00You folks seem odd to me.
The people on "our...You folks seem odd to me.<br /><br />The people on "our" side are being fatuous and deceiving "our" side. Maddow is performing a disservice to all Democrats by saying Brown is attacking Warren "on the basis of her race."<br /><br />Maddow makes Democrats stupid. Before now, we had to rely on Republicans cutting public education funding for that.JoshSNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08034864979736555692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82614220603723093722012-10-03T08:44:21.264-04:002012-10-03T08:44:21.264-04:00So Somerby opines on the lack of a cogent analysis...So Somerby opines on the lack of a cogent analysis and rebuttal from Warren's media defenders, and it sends his liberal readers into a tizzy of accusations based upon the formulation that this piece should be about defending Warren.<br /><br />You're right, Bob. "The Children" really have grown into spoiled intellectually-blinkered little goons.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32337228694563131402012-10-03T08:41:50.663-04:002012-10-03T08:41:50.663-04:00Oh, and since "Brown has been saying that War...Oh, and since "Brown has been saying that Warren sought professional advancement by saying she is Native American when she actually isn’t" it would have made far more sense to me for Gregory "to try to determine" the factual basis for Brown's rather specific accusation, rather than "the nature and extent of Warren’s Native American ancestry."<br /><br />In other words, Somerby, the larger issue -- that a candidate gets to say anything they want, and that's OK because "we don't know the facts of the matter."<br /><br />So what "facts" do you want? Proof of Native American ancestry instead of proof that Warren ever used it for advantage in landing jobs and career advancement.<br /><br />Which is exactly where Scott Brown wants the focus.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1919051904894278812012-10-03T08:06:14.903-04:002012-10-03T08:06:14.903-04:00Yes, yes, you are an idiot.
I quote Somerby, sinc...Yes, yes, you are an idiot.<br /><br />I quote Somerby, since you obviously missed, or don't want to admit he wrote this:<br /><br />"Actually, Brown has been saying that Warren sought professional advancement by saying she is Native American when she actually isn’t. Since that is the actual accusation, it would have made sense for Gregory to try to determine the nature and extent of Warren’s Native American ancestry, if he was going to spend all that time on the topic."<br /><br />And thank God for Barney Frank: “I was frankly disappointed in David Gregory’s choice of topics. To spend many minutes on this non-issue of Cherokee ancestry and about a minute and a half on Afghanistan is about as bad a set of priorities as I have seen.”<br /><br />Isn't this what Bob has been harping on for 13 years about the "War on Gore"? The nonsensical focus on trivia at the expense of real issues?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-33690502688437620682012-10-03T07:55:14.973-04:002012-10-03T07:55:14.973-04:00"Did Gregory make a bad choice of topics? We ..."Did Gregory make a bad choice of topics? We suppose it depends on the degree of interest this dispute is generating in Massachusetts."<br /><br />Right, Bob. This is why the media should have hammered Gore more on the bogus "invented the internet" thing, and demanded that Kerry prove that he actually earned his medals in Vietnam.<br /><br />After all, those "disputes" generated a lot of "interest" from coast to coast -- merely because they were lodged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81592431216011599592012-10-03T07:52:33.440-04:002012-10-03T07:52:33.440-04:00" why does he persist in demanding to know th..." why does he persist in demanding to know the basis of her claim of Native American ancestry"<br /><br />Why no, that never did happen. <br /><br />But then, I *am* an idiot, you know!The Anonymous Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17692026976433249602012-10-03T07:50:51.518-04:002012-10-03T07:50:51.518-04:00"failure of the media to hold Warren's fe..."failure of the media to hold Warren's feet to the fire and demand she prove she is Native American"<br /><br />Yes, yes, I am an idiot.The Anonymous Idiotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61297254113972982272012-10-03T07:48:14.860-04:002012-10-03T07:48:14.860-04:00Exactly.Exactly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82717435092383561722012-10-03T07:46:43.676-04:002012-10-03T07:46:43.676-04:00And re: Mitt's behavior in high school.
The b...And re: Mitt's behavior in high school.<br /><br />The bigger story here is not what Mitt did nearly 50 years ago, but how he reacted to the story today. "I don't remember" and "I did a lot of stupid things as a kid" as tried to blow it off as typical high school hi-jinks.<br /><br />Every other living person involved in the bullying incident remembered in great detail and with great regret. It says more about Mitt that he either can't or he is not exactly telling the truth about it than Somerby, shrewd analyst that he is, either cares to admit or is unable to.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13380806843712375342012-10-03T07:39:27.293-04:002012-10-03T07:39:27.293-04:00Right. Bob's focus is on the "media"...Right. Bob's focus is on the "media" for not demanding Warren to prove her heritage. Not on demanding Brown to prove what has become his major mud that Warren used her heritage to any advantage.<br /><br />And I quote:<br /><br />--<br /><br />For ourselves, we have no idea what the facts of this matter may be. This strikes us as a tangential matter—but then, we said the same thing about Mitt Romney’s behavior in high school.<br /><br />That said, if someone makes a bogus claim of minority status to gain career advancement, that’s a ratty thing to do. We have no idea if Warren did that, but there’s nothing obviously wrong with “attacking” someone “on the basis of” that kind of conduct.<br /><br />--<br /><br />Sorry, but from where I come from, when you make an allegation against somebody, you had better be able to back it up with evidence. Brown doesn't have a single document, or a single person, to support his claim that Warren used her minority status to an unfair advantage. In fact, everyone involved in hiring Warren at Harvard have said, quite clearly, that they weren't even aware she was Native American, and that it never came up once in the hiring process.<br /><br />But that's not good enough for Somerby. You see, it could still be true. He ignores both the evidence and the lack thereof, and pretents he has "no idea what the facts of the matter may be."<br /><br />Well, here are the "facts of the matter." Scott Brown doesn't want to talk about real issues, so he comes up with a bogus claim that, coincidentally (?) also appeals to the worst instincts of the voters he is trying to hold -- that Warren is another undeserving "minority" who got a job over more qualified non-minority candidates merely by claiming minority status.<br /><br />If there is media criticism to be made here, it is of the failure of the media to demand that Brown prove his charges, not any failure of the media to hold Warren's feet to the fire and demand she prove she is Native American.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26505217853779706752012-10-03T04:22:12.892-04:002012-10-03T04:22:12.892-04:00The Indians agree with Scott? Really?
http://camp...The Indians agree with Scott? Really?<br /><br />http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/elizabeth-warrens-birther-moment/<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/opinion/sunday/kill-the-indians-then-copy-them.html?ref=elizabethwarren R.A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8850279645759819142012-10-03T03:28:50.268-04:002012-10-03T03:28:50.268-04:00BTW - I miss the old header from the original site...BTW - I miss the old header from the original site.<br /><br />Caveat lector!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6220419168118842042012-10-03T03:26:28.697-04:002012-10-03T03:26:28.697-04:00Some people just don't get it. Bob Somerby do...Some people just don't get it. Bob Somerby doesn't really care if EW is part Cherokee or not.<br /><br />His focus, as always, is on the media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50420143424892799922012-10-02T23:54:11.644-04:002012-10-02T23:54:11.644-04:00By quoting the Boston Herald to support of his the...By quoting the Boston Herald to support of his thesis?<br /><br />Bollocks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1795722682516808732012-10-02T21:04:21.230-04:002012-10-02T21:04:21.230-04:00Most of us who pay attention have heard that/read ...Most of us who pay attention have heard that/read that also. It's in Warren's press releases. She's also discussed her ancestry claim in detail. Bob, doubtless, has heard that as well. So why does he persist in demanding to know the basis of her claim of Native American ancestry? Is it because this piece is basically just about another jab at Maddow's "saavy self-dealing"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19158035837282547682012-10-02T18:39:35.114-04:002012-10-02T18:39:35.114-04:00bob, your lordship, darling. youve got bigger fis...bob, your lordship, darling. youve got bigger fish to fry than whether or not she has any genuine-real-american bloodlines. note some of the irish-y sounding names in her genealogy*. they may have originally been irish-catholic. . . . intermarriage rates between americans with an irish-catholic heritage and other social outcasts was relatively high. . . . so get on the ball mr. journalist, high lord defender of americans with non-irish-catholic heritage.<br /><br />* http://northshorejournal.org/LinkedImages//2012/05/Ancestors-of-Herring-Elizabeth.pdf rebel yodelernoreply@blogger.com