tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6761317030662963100..comments2024-03-19T07:13:54.443-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Supplemental: Long ago, Lawrence told Matthews the truth!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21573002255123175582014-08-25T15:08:48.155-04:002014-08-25T15:08:48.155-04:00Yes, Gates pays me. But you'll never guess whi...Yes, Gates pays me. But you'll never guess which Gates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75971692969612872932014-08-25T12:24:38.167-04:002014-08-25T12:24:38.167-04:00I would say Somerby's rendition of Dao's a...I would say Somerby's rendition of Dao's articles are examples of distortion. He calls them "just this side of crazy." He did not do so when they were written. He disparages Dao's coverage of Bush's Social Security speech on May 15, 2000. He did not cover it at all in real time.<br /><br />For this post he relies on the analysis of Chris Matthews and Lawrence O'Donnell. How sane, coming from Somerby, is that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81840538884434689732014-08-25T12:11:29.897-04:002014-08-25T12:11:29.897-04:00Come on! Bob is about to show, with geometric logi...Come on! Bob is about to show, with geometric logic, for the first time in recorded history that people with their own shows on national TV make a lot of money.<br /><br />Any day now.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74574016841983856382014-08-25T12:09:34.036-04:002014-08-25T12:09:34.036-04:00" . . . or because they are being paid by Mad..." . . . or because they are being paid by Maddow, Ravitch, Gates or someone else to discredit Somerby with potential readers."<br /><br />Yes, that must be it. A blog that averages about 500 unique hits on a good day must be so powerful as to attract the cabal of Maddow, Ravitch and/or Gates to fund its demise, thus scattering the legion of Bobfans with no one to think for them.<br /><br />Paranoid much? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45496416060342699912014-08-25T11:58:29.912-04:002014-08-25T11:58:29.912-04:00I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel pity ...I'm sorry, but I can't help but feel pity for anybody who ever considered Dowd to be a "liberal voice."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71790652677122519292014-08-25T11:58:28.416-04:002014-08-25T11:58:28.416-04:00INTERLUDE: NOT TOO LATE FOR ONE LAST SUMMETIME PO...INTERLUDE: NOT TOO LATE FOR ONE LAST SUMMETIME POST<br /><br />Kids (aggregated and disaggregated) are back in class.<br />Ombambi is back in DC.<br />Poor Mike Brown is nearly in the ground looking up at bad journalism.<br /><br />Isn't it time for Mansions of Journalist County?<br /><br />"Is Diane Sawyer living in public housing? Is she able to remain in New York thanks to rent control? Here again, we see the familiar norms of our poisonous priests, which their colleagues in the pundit class will always advance or ignore:<br /><br />No one ever mentions the wealth of the journalistic players who, due to their deep concern, have chosen to initiate the troubling story line.<br /><br />Our thoughts also wandered to this: According to Rucker, the Clintons own two homes. The homes were purchased for $1.7 million and $2.85 million.<br /><br />Plainly, the Clintons are wealthy. That said, our thoughts also wandered here:<br /><br />In 2004, Chris Matthews bought his summer home on Nantucket for $4.4 million. That was roughly the cost of both Clinton houses combined. <br /><br />At the time, Tim Russert’s summer home on Nantucket was worth several million dollars more than that." 6/26<br /><br />All next week: The Mansions of Journalist County 7/14<br /><br /><br />The Houses of Journalist County: Do Bill and Hillary Clinton have too much cash? Too many fancy houses?<br /><br />....journalists have been clucking over the houses of various candidates dating to Campaign 2000. <br /><br />These conversations have often been marked by apparent bad faith on the part of the press. In our view, the familiar bad faith started up again in the past month.<br /><br />This led to our award-winning series “The Houses of Journalist County.” We had planned to start the series today, but we’re going to postpone for a few weeks as our research continues.<br /><br />Our award-winning series, “The Houses of Journalist County,” won’t appear for another few weeks. That said:" 7/21<br /><br />"Tomorrow: Back to the vineyards<br /><br />All next week: Some cable issues<br /><br />Starting August 18: Our long-awaited, award-winning series, The Houses of Journalist County" 8/8<br /><br />In search of journalistic values: Michael Brown’s death is a major event. All this week, we’ll be discussing the way our major news orgs have reported, or have failed to report, the unfolding chain of events. <br /><br />Final note: We're postponing our award-winning series, The Houses of Journalist County. <br /><br />We still plan to present that award-winning work, with its links to inspiring photo spreads. But these events come first." 8/18<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84827517844092208282014-08-25T11:57:15.442-04:002014-08-25T11:57:15.442-04:00No. The press pretended to be neutral or even libe...No. The press pretended to be neutral or even liberal (that liberal media bias) while savaging Gore for trivialities. Analyzing Gore's policy statements would have been fine. They ignored those in favor of specious attacks on tactics and hairstyle and clothing. <br /><br />There are real parallels between the way trolls operate here and the way the press treated Gore (and is now treating Hillary Clinton). They too focus on ridiculous inconsistencies and trivialities while ignoring the substance of the posts here. They mock and play cutsie word games and their favorite "gotcha" in which they claim to have found some damning inconsistency or hypocrisy. All the while they ignore the substance of the posts here, the theme of this blog, which is the damage done when the press corps does not function well to inform public debate in our democracy.<br /><br />Partisans don't care about this stuff -- for them it is only about winning and good tactics are winning tactics. The trolls here don't care about politics, just about achieving their personal goals. I don't know whether those are ego-related, to get back at Somerby for some perceived slight, to make trouble and gain attention (because they are 12 and they're too timid to participate in the real world) or because they are being paid by Maddow, Ravitch, Gates or someone else to discredit Somerby with potential readers. It doesn't matter what the goals of these trolls are, just as it doesn't matter what plutocrats hope to gain by subverting political processes. What matters is that people have an opportunity to inform themselves about issues and candidate positions and not be mislead by noise machines who don't care about our democracy.<br /><br />You trolls here are pieces of crap for engaging in this kind of behavior. Somerby attempts to show people how to see past the noise. The comments here are perfect practice at that skill. However, it would be better if people could talk about issues without all the garbage. When this ratio of signal to noise occurs in someone's brain, it is called Alzheimer's. That can happen to our political discourse too, not that you guys care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-83880994897434105312014-08-25T11:38:46.536-04:002014-08-25T11:38:46.536-04:00You are right @ 11:17. Come to think of it, wasn&...You are right @ 11:17. Come to think of it, wasn't that an often stated reason by the press for why they were so hard on Gore?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29625177394230725192014-08-25T11:20:16.012-04:002014-08-25T11:20:16.012-04:00Ah, but her Noonstership is of no concern to Somer...Ah, but her Noonstership is of no concern to Somerby. During the "War on Gore" she was one of those right-wing voices was merely prosecuting that war, and thus shares none of the culpability for it.<br /><br />The entire blame, in the World of Bob, falls on "career liberals" led by the vile, cowardly E.J. Dionne, who remained silent obviously angling for his own cable TV show where his pants would soon be stuffed with millions.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6299267072400729152014-08-25T11:18:41.335-04:002014-08-25T11:18:41.335-04:00As I said, you aren't as cute as you think you...As I said, you aren't as cute as you think you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27018972453946067152014-08-25T11:17:52.087-04:002014-08-25T11:17:52.087-04:00She's a Republican. You expect them to be ridi...She's a Republican. You expect them to be ridiculous. People who pretend to be liberal don't get the same leeway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46375816558513229602014-08-25T10:22:00.134-04:002014-08-25T10:22:00.134-04:00You know, Anon. @ 10:34, you're banal when you...You know, Anon. @ 10:34, you're banal when you're annoyed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29349929353167684372014-08-25T10:19:27.372-04:002014-08-25T10:19:27.372-04:00Digby uses the pearl clutching language of BOB. B...Digby uses the pearl clutching language of BOB. But she does not describe Dowd's work as heinous. Not does she have Dowd fainting onto the couch.<br /><br />She does show Reagan on a couch. Sitting back like Obama, listening to a forward leaning subordinate. None of these guys are wearing ties! Reagan is in some pretty horrific jammies.<br /><br />To her credit, Digby does link to some really heinous writing, that of Peggy Noonan describing her first encounter with St. Ronnie.<br /><br />"I FIRST SAW HIM AS A FOOT, a highly polished brown cordovan wagging merrily on a hassock. I spied it through the door. It was a beautiful foot, sleek, perfectly shaped. Such casual elegance and clean lines! But not a big foot, not formidable, maybe even a little . . . frail. I imagined cradling it in my arms, protecting it from un-smooth roads." <br /><br />Say, when was the last time BOB mentioned her Noonstership? She's Irish, ain't she? ZKoDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32084860052698610062014-08-25T09:48:45.882-04:002014-08-25T09:48:45.882-04:00To quote the Digby:
"So,Maureen Dowd has bee...To quote the Digby:<br /><br />"So,Maureen Dowd has been clutching her pearls for 25 years over president failing to rush back to the White House every time Peggy Noonan decides a crisis is upon us. Today's idiotic screed is here. But check this out:"<br /><br />What followed to be checked out was another Dowd screed excusing Bush I for going on vacation not long after Saddam had overrun Kuwait and just days after Bush ordered the military buildup that would eventually become the First Gulf War.<br /><br />After all, Dowd dutifully noted, he had all the modern communications gear that 1990 technology could provide to keep him in touch every second. This is apparently stuff that Obama doesn't have.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64190895611125906482014-08-25T09:22:16.029-04:002014-08-25T09:22:16.029-04:00First we learn Lawrence O'Donnell is a series ...First we learn Lawrence O'Donnell is a series breaker of "The Laws Which Are Never Broken" governing the "guild."<br /><br />Now this about Digby.<br /><br />It is amazing what "liberal leaders" will say in public to maintain ther silent scam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69074378060216236292014-08-25T06:37:38.672-04:002014-08-25T06:37:38.672-04:00Digby says Maureen Dowd's column about Preside...Digby says Maureen Dowd's column about President Obama's vacation is an <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/08/modo-deja-vu.html" rel="nofollow">idiotic screed,</a> thus criticizing the New York Times columnist even after starting to write for Salon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89647690690212960892014-08-25T01:07:37.090-04:002014-08-25T01:07:37.090-04:00Tell me, 10:06, which comments cause you to tarry ...Tell me, 10:06, which comments cause you to tarry over the comment box?<br /><br />Do you like the long exchanges between David in Cal and deadrat? The unabashed liberal outbursts of berto?<br /><br />Or do you simply like to write variations on the theme, "Go Away?"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11235117757790791172014-08-24T22:34:47.449-04:002014-08-24T22:34:47.449-04:00Go away. You aren't as cute as you think you a...Go away. You aren't as cute as you think you are. Just annoying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35301592022113438422014-08-24T22:06:08.418-04:002014-08-24T22:06:08.418-04:00So you don't like Somerby. Go away and stop an...So you don't like Somerby. Go away and stop annoying the rest of us who don't care about your complaints.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26647658069831349772014-08-24T20:32:24.935-04:002014-08-24T20:32:24.935-04:003:46, yes, and even a dead kid in Ferguson, Mo., r...3:46, yes, and even a dead kid in Ferguson, Mo., reminds Bob of the War on Gore.<br /><br />Everything always comes around to 14 years ago.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73734427943372814972014-08-24T19:01:48.150-04:002014-08-24T19:01:48.150-04:00Anon @ 5:58 you are write. KZ didn't right it...Anon @ 5:58 you are write. KZ didn't right it. BOB did.<br />We quoted him. KZoDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61294700124553785892014-08-24T18:58:01.200-04:002014-08-24T18:58:01.200-04:00Anon @ 5:59 since the headline is BOB's, we...Anon @ 5:59 since the headline is BOB's, we'd say we have learned from the past...his. <br /><br />In this case we took time to read the 14 year old articles O'Donnell hooks BOB to. BOB's analysis of that old work is fanciful as the photo and psychobabble he criticized from the NY Times this week.ZKoDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-79894539340342382872014-08-24T18:24:00.566-04:002014-08-24T18:24:00.566-04:00Exactly, 3:25, but you forgot one important point....Exactly, 3:25, but you forgot one important point.<br /><br />None of that would have happened had E.J. Dionne said something.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77641299844014141972014-08-24T18:20:38.618-04:002014-08-24T18:20:38.618-04:00So, 5:59. You really need Somerby to teach you the...So, 5:59. You really need Somerby to teach you the lesson not to believe everything you hear on TV or read in a newspaper?<br /><br />How sad.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82167470856685770612014-08-24T17:59:43.050-04:002014-08-24T17:59:43.050-04:00Learn from the past or repeat it. Your choice.Learn from the past or repeat it. Your choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com