tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post6783687192678690537..comments2024-03-29T00:25:24.008-04:00Comments on the daily howler: ALL ROADS LEAD TO BIAS: Losing the thread!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-87108630937709013852014-02-07T09:55:52.673-05:002014-02-07T09:55:52.673-05:00Mr. Somerby seems to have got extremely bitter (an...Mr. Somerby seems to have got extremely bitter (and perhaps jealous?) in his old age. Sad. <br /><br />Speaking of the "traffic study":<br /><br />http://firedoglake.com/2014/01/25/come-saturday-morning-how-the-experts-know-christies-traffic-study-excuse-is-bogus/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32068624150924958572014-02-06T18:47:42.427-05:002014-02-06T18:47:42.427-05:00Q: What's the difference between a George Wash...Q: What's the difference between a George Washington Bridge Troll and a George Washington Bridge Toll?<br /><br />A: You only have to put up the GWB tolls half the time.<br /><br />TDH does not claim that whatever Wildstein was up to might have been a "real" traffic study.<br /><br />No matter how many times you claim he does.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1765518720333708442014-02-06T15:01:08.860-05:002014-02-06T15:01:08.860-05:00Anonymous @7:57A,
I have no objections to anyone ...Anonymous @7:57A,<br /><br />I have no objections to anyone pointing out that TDH underestimated the importance of Bridgegate. I do, however, object to Erin's paraphrasing TDH to the effect that he didn't think the matter worth investigating.<br /><br />I have no objections to anyone pointing out that TDH has been, er, shall we say "intemperate"? when it comes to characterizing Maddow. I do, however, object to your characterizing Darlin' Rachel as "right" on this particular story with regard to TDH's criticisms. Her shows have been disgraceful hype for the most part. TDH is not objecting to Darlin' Rachel for "paying attention" to the story but to the manner in which that attention is delivered.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45679836748777621672014-02-06T08:02:19.224-05:002014-02-06T08:02:19.224-05:00You know, I recall Bob sometime in the early 00s a...You know, I recall Bob sometime in the early 00s announcing he was going to turn The Daily Howler into an education blog.<br /><br />Then he found out he really didn't have all that much to say, and his audience quickly grew bored and moved away to more interesting blogs and Web sites that were springing up all over the place.<br /><br />So Bob abandoned the idea and went back to beating on his favorite media targets, calling that "criticism."<br /><br />So I guess Bob doesn't care that much about black kids either. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52291469678070785052014-02-06T07:57:03.691-05:002014-02-06T07:57:03.691-05:00"but given what we knew in December, the stor..."but given what we knew in December, the story was ginned up."<br /><br />What was already out in public in December, when Bob called the thing not just "ginned-up" but "massively ginned-up" was Foye's red-hot e-mail (obtained by the WSJ in early October), the testimony of Baroni, Fulton, Durando and Foye, and the resignations of Baroni and Wildstein.<br /><br />Yep, no "there" there. Time to call Maddow a "partisan hack" for paying attention to this story.<br /><br />"he nevertheless was criticizing Darlin' Rachel for too much hype and not enough accuracy."<br /><br />Not enough accuracy? Maddow has been right on this particular story far more often than Bob.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12105911823956603322014-02-06T07:47:08.558-05:002014-02-06T07:47:08.558-05:00"...it is stll less important than the intere..."...it is stll less important than the interests of low-income children, or the vote about Iran sanctions, or what is happening with the economy this week, or reducing the disparity in incomes in our country, etc."<br /><br />All issues well covered in the "media" especially if you broaden your scope beyond the NYT and MSNBC to include media in the 21st Century.<br /><br />But Bob has chosen to live in a large pile of horseshit of his own creation, then conclude that the entire universe must be made out of horseshit.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8907923309904544192014-02-06T07:40:00.619-05:002014-02-06T07:40:00.619-05:00You are correct, deadrat. What Bob is merely claim...You are correct, deadrat. What Bob is merely claiming is that the mountain of evidence before him and the rest of the world is insufficient to him to "disprove" the notion that exists only in his head that this was a real "traffic study."<br /><br />Fashioning that silly idea into what he thought was a club, he tried to beat Rachel Maddow in particular with that over and over and over again.<br /><br />Now he seems to be on to the critical point of how well Christie and Wildstein knew each other in high school.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-85013854351444849622014-02-06T03:17:32.115-05:002014-02-06T03:17:32.115-05:00Again, no one claims this was a "real" t...Again, no one claims this was a "real" traffic study. Toll data would presumably be sufficient to figure out whether traffic improved on the bridge at the expense of Fort Lee. As TDH points out, it may be ruse or a hoax to claim that this data (or something else) was used to figure out things about traffic lanes.<br /><br />But no one is claiming there was a "real" traffic study.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51459193736601385462014-02-06T00:12:11.155-05:002014-02-06T00:12:11.155-05:00Erin,
So TDH was wrong when he said there was &qu...Erin,<br /><br />So TDH was wrong when he said there was "nothing there," that the traffic jam was "minor," and the whole thing was "not worth investigating or bothering with"? Oh, wait, he didn't write those things.<br /><br />Please allow me to heap contempt on your head. You couldn't be bothered to quote TDH? Why is that? What he said on December 16th was that the scandal was "massively ginned up" and that Darlin' Rachel's reporting tells us "nothing about the substance of this currently pointless story."<br /><br />Now, I happen to think that TDH underestimated the size and seriousness of Bridgegate, but given what we knew in December, the story was ginned up. That doesn't mean the story wouldn't have legs. And if TDH erred in counting the story pointless, he nevertheless was criticizing Darlin' Rachel for too much hype and not enough accuracy.<br /><br />And there was nothing -- repeat: nothing -- about the story being not worth investigation.<br /><br />But I'll have to give you points for chutzpah in coming on this blog and excusing your mischaracterized paraphrases because you think you got right the "sense" of things.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58022807981985972772014-02-06T00:09:13.912-05:002014-02-06T00:09:13.912-05:00OMB
Robert Durando, general manager of the George...OMB<br /><br />Robert Durando, general manager of the George Washington Bridge, has testified that data was collected during the days when the Fort Lee access lanes were closed. This is meaningless. It was tolls data, which is collected routinely every day. The fact that this is the only data that was collected is evidence against the the notion that there was a real traffic study being conducted, not evidence for it.<br /><br />KZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-51101432288497391622014-02-05T23:45:28.582-05:002014-02-05T23:45:28.582-05:007:14, If BOB thinks there are more important thing...7:14, If BOB thinks there are more important things to discuss, why doesn't he discuss them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-63335261313586293222014-02-05T23:42:40.557-05:002014-02-05T23:42:40.557-05:00"In the process of sorting this matter out, w..."In the process of sorting this matter out, we’ve pretty much lost the thread of the series we’d planned for this week."<br /><br />BOB seems to be saying the talented Ms. Ripley got a free run for a week over at Talking Points memo. BOB was too busy ferreting in the pig stye looking for subhuman droog excrement that black kids of America got abused unrebutted for a week.<br /><br />I wonder how black kid coverage fared during the awful times in the War on Gore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67675728558416220882014-02-05T23:36:45.975-05:002014-02-05T23:36:45.975-05:00So what are you saying Anon: 7:53? Maddow still d...So what are you saying Anon: 7:53? Maddow still doesn't care about black kids? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29575384874109123012014-02-05T22:34:47.690-05:002014-02-05T22:34:47.690-05:00Watch a few more shows.Watch a few more shows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-6058331738933654892014-02-05T22:02:44.115-05:002014-02-05T22:02:44.115-05:00Anon 718,
No, Maddow could not likely be success...Anon 718, <br /><br />No, Maddow could not likely be successfully sued. My understanding is that Baroni is a public figure with regard to his function at the Port Authority, so Baroni would have to show that Maddow somehow knew that Mann's work was false at the time she did her show. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Trollmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75585490262830243912014-02-05T19:55:12.059-05:002014-02-05T19:55:12.059-05:00You are flailing, 7:18.
You are flailing, 7:18.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89875179168639415682014-02-05T19:53:38.011-05:002014-02-05T19:53:38.011-05:00Now that's odd because the Rachel Maddow Show ...Now that's odd because the Rachel Maddow Show I saw last night had segments on a marriage equality ruling expected in Virginia, the West Virginia chemical spill, and a cockeyed proposal in Oklahoma to ban all marriages if they have to recognize gay ones.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32236016708214556872014-02-05T19:20:38.496-05:002014-02-05T19:20:38.496-05:00The more you run over a dead pig, the flatter it g...The more you run over a dead pig, the flatter it gets.<br /><br />Doesn't this apply to Maddow, since she seems incapable of coming up with content for her show that does not involve Christie? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76017635524956450222014-02-05T19:18:43.739-05:002014-02-05T19:18:43.739-05:00That Durando or Fulton said they wouldn't do a...That Durando or Fulton said they wouldn't do a study the way Wildstein did, doesn't mean there was no study. It also does not prove the study was a cover story. It just means the study was unprofessional, casual, or incompetent. Maddow doesn't have the evidence to justify concluding it was a cover story and go from there to speculating about how many people were in on devising the testimony given by Baroni. Neither does Mann. Are you suggesting that she cannot be sued because Mann and the WSJ said it first?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-9415120035303795352014-02-05T19:14:30.865-05:002014-02-05T19:14:30.865-05:00Isn't it obvious that even if everything about...Isn't it obvious that even if everything about Christie turns out to be true, including Sandy hurrican shenanigans, it is stll less important than the interests of low-income children, or the vote about Iran sanctions, or what is happening with the economy this week, or reducing the disparity in incomes in our country, etc. A few people in NJ were made late for work due to political in-fighting by someone who might run for president in two years. This matters, but how can that not be considered far less important than any number of more pressing issues? There doesn't have to be "nothing there" or "trivial issues" for this whole Christie thing to be much less important than many other issues. <br /><br />I don't understand what you trolls are so upset about. Somerby is saying pretty obvious things here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41132097287381312422014-02-05T17:35:39.753-05:002014-02-05T17:35:39.753-05:00Anon 357,
The coaching of Baroni is from a WSJ p...Anon 357, <br /><br />The coaching of Baroni is from a WSJ piece by Ted Mann:<br />http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303442704579359122606230960?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303442704579359122606230960.html<br /><br />I guess the WSJ is just another arm of MSNBC.<br />Trollmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42271811034473674392014-02-05T17:02:37.653-05:002014-02-05T17:02:37.653-05:00It was all too true though.It was all too true though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34950789359368209802014-02-05T16:30:44.562-05:002014-02-05T16:30:44.562-05:00Erin managed to type a 9-line paragraph without ad...Erin managed to type a 9-line paragraph without addressing Bob's argument. She said, in short, "allegations are being made about Sandy too!".<br /><br />Stay focused, commenters.Andrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05112122756372293096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-11134353207152934992014-02-05T16:05:15.464-05:002014-02-05T16:05:15.464-05:00Please, anonymous 3:27, tell us the difference bet...Please, anonymous 3:27, tell us the difference between things Christie said and things his "people" sent out as email to discredit Wildstein. <br /><br />Since Maddow could not, surely you can.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36727681474402582592014-02-05T15:59:36.647-05:002014-02-05T15:59:36.647-05:00It is a shame Maddow used Foye's testimony as ...It is a shame Maddow used Foye's testimony as damning evidence. I mean she could have used Fulton's, the head of Bridges and Tunnels for the PA.<br />Or she could have used Durando's, head of the damn GW Bridge itself. Or she could have trotted out the internal e-mail indicating Wildstein wasn't looking for the data on EZ pass addresses central to Baroni's testimony until after the closures and the media started snoopping around. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com