tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7146024138309982229..comments2024-03-28T20:08:17.629-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Likability watch: Who is Candidate Perry!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7276155250412319532011-09-22T10:09:19.060-04:002011-09-22T10:09:19.060-04:00I am with Bob all the way here. Dowd spreads the d...I am with Bob all the way here. Dowd spreads the dumb virus among us liberals.<br /><br />And this one was just too much:<br />>>>Perry told the students, “God uses broken people to reach a broken world.” What does that even mean? <br /><br />C'mon Maureen. You wear your Catholic roots on your sleeve. You really, really don't know what that means??? I mean, this is Christianity 101.Geoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68263439779011375382011-09-22T01:00:34.902-04:002011-09-22T01:00:34.902-04:00It merely reinforces the same point, but I believe...It merely reinforces the same point, but I believe Collins grew up in Cincinnati. She was born there and went to high school there.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-46437947594485917972011-09-21T12:52:40.986-04:002011-09-21T12:52:40.986-04:00Jaytingle said re Perry supporters: "They ar...Jaytingle said re Perry supporters: "They are sick, and it behooves the rest of us to call them out."<br /><br />"They are sick,..." What?!?! <br /> <br />Some of my rural family here in Alberta, Canada agree with Perry's views on global warming. They would likely support the Republicans and Perry if they lived in rural USA.<br /><br />I can assure you however, that these members of my rural family are not 'sick.'<br /><br />And I probably should take offense at Jaytingle's generalization. <br /><br />Mostly I am exasperated with the faulty reasoning underlying these sorts of comments. <br />And I realize I'm very grateful for Daily Howler's persistence.<br /><br />Jaytingle... please consider reading Daily Howler archives.<br /><br />To reason from my own life experience: It was only by chance that I was exposed to the science on global warming in publications that didn't begin with or were not embedded in this sort of tribal perspective, i.e. 'anyone who doesn't believe in global warming is sick and must have never lived anywhere outside their backwoods small town'. <br /><br />I seems to me that I've noticed that one of the main points of Daily Howler posts is the ridiculousness of generalizing about entire subsets of American people e.g. Perry's supporters.<br /><br />For me, some of what I take from Daily Howler posts, and other readings...Tribalism is destructive, while it has always existed, it is just not a logical or supportable view about the reality of human nature, and is obviously counter-productive in politics with regard to talking to your fellow citizen that happens to disagree with your views of politician, political party or issue.<br /><br />Isn't it an obvious truism that people vote for someone or some party for variety of reasons?<br /><br />And that how they came to those reasons is complicated. And not because they are 'sick.'<br /><br />They don't necessarily agree with the entire package. e.g. all of Perry's views, but on balance they make a choice that best fits with their interests or what they judge best for society as whole.<br /><br />People come to hold views for all sorts of reasons. <br /><br />I apologize for any righteousness in the tone of this email. Some two decades ago I was just as likely to have generalized something similar about liberals or socialism or whatever was the 'other' at that time in my life.<br /><br /> Sam Gunsch<br />Farmer's son<br />resident of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada<br /><br />Alberta: Home of the tarsands, <br />lots of warming skeptics and deniers,<br />but also lots of citizens concerned with global warming,<br />Home of Big Oil, Big Coal <br />and governed by my former political party, the Progressive Conservatives since 1971.<br />but you know...while some of their policies might qualify as sick...I just cannot think of an entire subset of voters that are sick.Sam Gunschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75821420496756829992011-09-21T12:37:39.346-04:002011-09-21T12:37:39.346-04:00I just wish I knew whether jaytingle's comment...I just wish I knew whether jaytingle's comment was real or a parody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-28435124674830896512011-09-21T11:23:34.502-04:002011-09-21T11:23:34.502-04:00Bob, Bob, Bob, I'm beginning to think that you...Bob, Bob, Bob, I'm beginning to think that you've consigned writing responsibilities to the Howl-O-Matic. While it is certainly imprudent to insult people to their faces, it is worth remembering that these sneering East Coast liberals are aiming their words at actual sneering East Coast liberals. Rural Texans will not be reading this stuff in great numbers. But wait, you think, Limbaugh and O'Reilly will tell the real americans what the catty females have said. You seem to forget that the right wing mouthpieces inform their listeners that liberals look down on them, as a matter of course, and without any substantiation. Limbaugh went to visit the troops and told them liberals are against them. He failed to offer any evidence to support his bizarre claim and he apparently failed to account for how the statement might affect the troops. People in rural Texas don't know who Dowd is, and they don't care. They will not vote against Obama because their feelings are hurt by the mean lady who lives in the splendid Georgetown townhouse.<br />Stupid people may feel kinship with other stupid people for stupid reasons, but you seem to think that the sin is in pointing it out. "Let's not talk about Dad's drinking and it won't be a problem." Your Boston Irish Catholic roots are showing. Talking frankly about Dad's drinking probably won't make him stop, but it allows the rest of us to work on a program to avoid being sucked into his problem. Maybe you have a point, that the Perry supporters aren't stupid (you didn't actually say that, but let's pretend). They are sick, and it behooves the rest of us to call them out. You may not like how the notion is conveyed, but Molly Ivins' death created a vacuum and this is how it's been filled. Maybe if you directed some of your criticism at drunk Dad we could all begin to heal.Jay Schiavonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575283403103183391noreply@blogger.com