tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post7499590143300441573..comments2024-03-28T10:22:25.136-04:00Comments on the daily howler: DIVISION AND CONQUEST: Those People are crazy, Maddow says!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4579441685412892012013-09-21T11:25:40.158-04:002013-09-21T11:25:40.158-04:00You are incapable of ascertaining that no one was ...You are incapable of ascertaining that no one was mitigating the mindset of Bull Connor.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21125350288775225892013-09-21T10:24:14.342-04:002013-09-21T10:24:14.342-04:00Well Cecelia, you've proven beyond a shadow of...Well Cecelia, you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't poetic license<br />(though I don't believe I classified a literary effort as poetry). I must also admit there really is no license given, that was concealed poetic expression on my part.<br /><br />I also admit I am something of a sceptic when people report others seeing UFO's, even when they were with them at the time (see Shirley Mc and Dennis K).<br /><br />So tell me based on your vast experience,<br />"what do sparks of humanity" look like?<br />Are they often "seen" or more often do we "imagine spotting" them?<br /><br />Zarkon (Babbling, as in Brook) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66028062102334495932013-09-21T05:10:03.032-04:002013-09-21T05:10:03.032-04:00Oh, of course, KZ. It was merely Branch's poe...Oh, of course, KZ. It was merely Branch's poetic license. <br /><br />Branch just goes on interviews that he had with those Freedom Riders, but he can't know any more than you do.<br /><br />Catherine Burk Brooks talks about that conversation with Connor to this day.<br /><br />However, it's all idle speculation.<br /><br />It's about war really. It will always be war.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70201090249698376642013-09-21T02:19:09.791-04:002013-09-21T02:19:09.791-04:00Anonymous @ 12:21A,
Last June 22, TDH posts "...Anonymous @ 12:21A,<br /><br />Last June 22, TDH posts "Maddow makes fools of her viewers, part 2!" No mention of her Rhodes Scholarship.<br /><br />But you keep standing by your "every single time" remark. Because the facts don't really matter to you any more than they do to Maddow.<br /><br />Did you know she used to be a Rhodes Scholar?deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10054950145950149832013-09-21T01:32:38.167-04:002013-09-21T01:32:38.167-04:00Indeed pmf, indeed.
"In his last will and te...Indeed pmf, indeed.<br /><br />"In his last will and testament, Rhodes said of the British, "I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race." <br /><br />KZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30879062213542038892013-09-21T01:02:29.879-04:002013-09-21T01:02:29.879-04:00Isn't the Rhodes scholarship named after a rac...Isn't the Rhodes scholarship named after a racist? A "real" progressive wouldn't have even applied for such a thing much less boast about getting one.<br /><br />Zarkon (Royally rolling out the R Bomb)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19764114136305693392013-09-21T00:21:01.427-04:002013-09-21T00:21:01.427-04:00Deadrat, excuse me if I don't take your word f...Deadrat, excuse me if I don't take your word for it. I stand by my remark that every single time he mentions Maddow, he mocks her Rhodes scholarship.<br /><br />As for her being more accomplished, OK. You name the standard. Rhodes scholar. Best selling author. National TV show. Fame. Money. Whatever you choose.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-57956164511448493772013-09-21T00:19:13.729-04:002013-09-21T00:19:13.729-04:00Thank you Dr. CeciliaMc for noting how Bob takes t...Thank you Dr. CeciliaMc for noting how Bob takes the literary license of Taylor Branch <br />and weaves it into a narrative.<br /><br />Branch said they saw sparks of humanity. Bob says they imagined they spotted sparks of humanity. <br /><br />You <strong>imagine</strong> what other people disdain and how they view things because you <strong>know</strong> they are war loving warriors.<br /><br />I<strong>suspect</strong> the freedom riders were smart enough to know they were looking at a full blooded poltically powerful racist<br />who was still just another human being. I also suspect that if you asked them why they went back to Birmingham at the time, not a single bloody one of them would have said it was because of "a zealous optimism" borne of seeing or imagining "sparks" of anything in Bull Connor. <br /><br />But we just don't know.<br /><br />KZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70899372570021830022013-09-21T00:15:06.014-04:002013-09-21T00:15:06.014-04:00."It wasn't until someone on another webs...."It wasn't until someone on another website mentioned him re Zimmerman that I visited since he put in a comments section."<br /><br />Welcome your new tribe, Bob.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-59344016455823726402013-09-20T19:03:00.753-04:002013-09-20T19:03:00.753-04:00I understand the prison programs because adults si...I understand the prison programs because adults sign a release, but I don't get why the courts allow the juveniles to be filmed.<br />Juvenile courts are supposed to protect juveniles with sealing records, closed court rooms, etc. The parents can't waive the right on behalf of the juvenile, and the juvenile isn't asked to waive the right. <br />Someone should sue the state of Indiana. It's outrageous. Those kids will really regret allowing MSNBC to film their adjudications when they go to a get a job. It is SO disgusting that MSNBC is making a buck off this heartbreak and I have no idea what the judges are thinking. People are shameless. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61075124685335000152013-09-20T18:42:11.874-04:002013-09-20T18:42:11.874-04:00I didn't lump them together. Some of Somerby&...I didn't lump them together. Some of Somerby's critics did.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69355988450422543612013-09-20T17:53:47.828-04:002013-09-20T17:53:47.828-04:00(1) Over 2500 words for this? Rule of thumb: the m...(1) Over 2500 words for this? Rule of thumb: the more words TDH uses to try to convince us how nefarious Rachel is, the weaker the particular argument is. The frequency with which he uses the words "clown," snark" or "darling Rachel" is a good indicator, too.<br /><br />(2) TDH doesn't know what "jumped the shark" means.<br /><br />(3) Lumping Maddow with Dowd and Collins (per Cecilia) is absurd.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84526867053618612302013-09-20T16:44:10.501-04:002013-09-20T16:44:10.501-04:00Anon1:55, thank you for correctly stating the poin...Anon1:55, thank you for correctly stating the point of Somerby's piece on Bull Connor.<br /><br />Don't imagine it will make much difference in the midst of an idiocy which whines that Somerby does not treat Maddow, Collins, or Dowd as though they are ruthless bigots whose faint spark of humanity might give us hope for souls far less corrupt...<br /><br />Somerby also wrote:<br /><br />***If Branch’s account is basically accurate, were those brilliant young people right in what they thought they saw? Should they have imagined that they spotted “sparks of humanity even in Connor?”<br /><br />We think this eternal question is highly relevant today.<br /><br />Branch's fuller account: Branch describes the situation as the Freedom Riders head back to Birmingham the next day. A driver had come from Nashville to take them back into the fight:<br />BRANCH (page 438): Dazed by fatigue, yet brimming with zealous optimism, they were consumed by the belief that the hatred of mobs could not prevail, having seen, after all, speaks of humanity even in Connor, the archracist. ***<br /><br />This question is not one that interests a few of Bob's readers. They disdain it. They view it as a type of relativism and compromise at best, at worst as pablum that has little historical evidence for effecting social change.<br /><br />They are warriors, and it's infuriating to them that a warrior of Somerby's potential is mouthing this sort of tripe that only helps the bad folks.<br /><br />So they are here at war with him. Just as they have been at many conservative sites, they're now at war with a fellow liberal.<br /><br />Don't ask them to feel the thrill of optimism that the Freedom Riders felt at that glimmer in Bull Connor. Don't ask them to truly appreciate anything of King's hope and faith.<br /><br />They love war. They are warriors.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12487099896596259582013-09-20T15:57:53.422-04:002013-09-20T15:57:53.422-04:00Anon 1:27,
I've visited DailyHowler on and off...Anon 1:27,<br />I've visited DailyHowler on and off over the years. It wasn't until someone on another website mentioned him re Zimmerman that I visited since he put in a comments section.<br /><br />My take on the Howler has always been that the author finds virtually all of the news media to be lacking. Not just Rush Limbaugh and radio/TV talkers on the so-called "right." (I don't know to make of ideologies, right/left). <br /><br />I agree and the big media stuff has been ever so much more important than anything Rush Limbaugh ever said, the epitome being the lead up to the Iraq War. There were Judith Miller and a male reporter at the NY Times talking to Scooter Libby and putting lies in the NY Times and then Cheney went on Meet the Press and used the NY Times to credit the lies. "Its in the NY Times." I do not for one second believe that everyone wasn't in on the lies. I remember watching Colin Powell at the UN and I knew he was a liar but there were the Washington Post's Mary McGrory and Richard Cohen, liberals, saying Powell had convinced them. It was a histrionic, stupid, transparently non-credible performance by Powell but McGrory and Cohen were eager to get on board the brutal, vicious, monstrous plan to bomb a country that hadn't attacked the US and posed no threat to the US. They just wanted to KILLLL!<br /><br />Anyways, I don't expect Bob to see every individual issue the same way I do, certainly not, nor to see every individuals merits or faults as I do. But I think the writing he did about the 2000 presidential campaign was very helpful to me. He was calling out major figures and holding them to account when they were patently dishonest. You don't see that often. Most of the news media is like doctors not criticizing colleagues. Lionelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06336249052780481883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61329200815624370952013-09-20T15:28:44.103-04:002013-09-20T15:28:44.103-04:00Because they believe the claptrap, such as "l...Because they believe the claptrap, such as "lower taxes increases revenue"; "Social Security is broke (or a pyramid scheme, etc.) and we will never see a penny"; etc.<br />Does that help?Horace Feathersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36386240538934496362013-09-20T15:21:33.898-04:002013-09-20T15:21:33.898-04:00I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in count...I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in counting the times per week Maddow appears as TDH's target. It is said that "He can't do a single post about her without mocking her for" her Rhodes Scholarship. Three times out of four he can.<br /><br />Who's smarter, Maddow or TDH? I don't know, but for someone who's smarter, Maddow says a lot of dumb things. TDH, too, but not so much.<br /><br />Is Maddow more accomplished than TDH? I don't know. What's your measure?<br /><br />Is Maddow a target for her sex? I don't know, but TDH seems an equal opportunity offender. YMMV.<br /><br />Is Maddow a target because TDH envies her? I don't know. I'll defer to your skills at reading minds from reading blogs.<br /><br />I seem to know a bunch less than you. Do you suppose that's led me to envy you?<br /><br />Guess.deadratnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-13991339452325616162013-09-20T15:16:58.437-04:002013-09-20T15:16:58.437-04:00Actually, KZ, David Halberstam describes that very...Actually, KZ, David Halberstam describes that very ride from the perspective of the Freedom Riders in his book "The Children."<br /><br />After all that friendly chit-chat, after Connor and the Riders showed their "spark of humanity" to each other during that long ride, he stilled dumped them off at the Tennessee border in the middle of the night then drove away, wiht the Riders not knowing whether or not he had summoned some Klan chapter as to their whereabouts and they would be murdered in the middle of nowhere and never heard from again.<br /><br />At that moment, it wasn't the "spark of humanity" they felt from Connor, but absolute terror.<br /><br />irishguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05214796640416172528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18309909936112125782013-09-20T15:10:32.797-04:002013-09-20T15:10:32.797-04:00Ah, great deadrat. You did the research and found ...Ah, great deadrat. You did the research and found that Bob only mocks Maddow for being a Rhodes scholar "once every four times."<br /><br />Given that a week rarely goes by without him howling about Maddow four times, can we presume that a week also goes by in which he doesn't mock her Rhodes scholarship?<br /><br />Once again, his envy of a person who is smarter, more accomplished and of a different gender is palpable.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-88853193235266956492013-09-20T15:01:13.999-04:002013-09-20T15:01:13.999-04:00Yes, as a conservative I handed my brain over to S...Yes, as a conservative I handed my brain over to Sean and Rushbo years ago, and I've lost fifty pounds, grew all my hair back, and just got my dream job as a Fox News talking head!Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635896230439415101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86154589015806004982013-09-20T14:59:11.921-04:002013-09-20T14:59:11.921-04:00Now that's funny.Now <i>that's</i> funny.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635896230439415101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-10003748747010795892013-09-20T14:56:04.705-04:002013-09-20T14:56:04.705-04:00Here is a two part question for TDH, which prides ...Here is a two part question for TDH, which prides itself on knowing education test results. How do we arrive at the conclusion conservatives have been made dumber for years, and what part of that do we attribute to Sean Hannity? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52853343241152461572013-09-20T14:47:53.356-04:002013-09-20T14:47:53.356-04:00Actually, my darling Anon. @1:55, there was nothin...Actually, my darling Anon. @1:55, there was nothing in the source material that BOB used that indicated the freedom riders didn't hate Bull. Just that they glimpsed a "spark" of humanity on one occaision. Close readers know that. People who call others with whom they disagree trolls or gun nuts might be too busy making generalizations<br />about those they are calling names to comprehend what they read as opposed to repeating a repetitive narrative. <br /><br />I remember the "spark" line well because it prompted me to think a "spark" of humanity could also set off a flaming asshole.<br /><br />KZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90133752133118780882013-09-20T13:55:17.959-04:002013-09-20T13:55:17.959-04:00Bob was actually commenting that others saw the hu...Bob was actually commenting that others saw the humanity in Bull Connor, and wondering at that, as an example of the lack of hate exhibited by the freedom riders, in contrast to our current times. <br /><br />Our new set of trolls don't read closely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-7949264376974077702013-09-20T13:50:50.557-04:002013-09-20T13:50:50.557-04:00Just go awayJust go awayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77090036971521441442013-09-20T13:46:24.088-04:002013-09-20T13:46:24.088-04:00Anon@1:27
Excellent comment. We do need a plan t...Anon@1:27<br /><br />Excellent comment. We do need a plan to ruin the rube runners and right our rudderless Republic (you could call it intellectually paralyzed but that seems like a silly Mick way to characterize things).<br /><br />I suggest we get people to convene in assemblies at central locations across our land and listen to the BOB plan. Perhaps discussions could occur using hand signals to keep order until we reach consensus on how to unite the 99%.<br /><br />You are right about BOB. Hating on him isn't going to make him go away. And even if it did, he would simply be the voice in the wilderness he once was; followed by many but thanked by too few.<br /><br />KZ (Incoherent Garbage Collector)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com