tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post8279769486393478668..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: Maddow proves it all night long!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35940798511851412782013-12-16T04:29:35.874-05:002013-12-16T04:29:35.874-05:00Maddow says, as quoted in the blog post above, &qu...Maddow says, as quoted in the blog post above, "What happened, and when is the governor going to explain it?"<br /><br />So, you cleanly say "She never made any" re: assertions.<br /><br />She told her viewers that the Governor owes us an explanation.JoshSNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08034864979736555692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25014508983858302382013-12-16T02:38:38.190-05:002013-12-16T02:38:38.190-05:00I don't really know anything about Maddow'...I don't really know anything about Maddow's story, and, perhaps as a non NJ resident, I don't care anything about Maddow's story. Let us assume that the worst of what Maddow implies is true, and that Christie would chose to punish people who live in his state in that fashion. Well, that pretty much says to me that Christie is so stupid his dreams of The White House won't get very far. <br /> What strikes me as dishonest about this post is the inference that The Daily Howler is let down by Maddow, that her work has become increasingly problematic this year, that She has discussed serious problems in the past, etc. The Daily Howler has been berating Maddow with little equivocation in highly person terms from Day One. So this has a little of the "more in sorrow than in anger" tone The Daily Howler used to mock. <br /> Indeed, I've always found Maddow a dubious figure since her "Air America" days. If She does, on occasion, do a worthwhile show, doesn't the liberal make a deal with the devil when they sit through the rube bait? Maybe, but there are too many commercials anyway, most people don't watch these programs, particularly on the left. <br /> One more time: Maddow's single worthwhile contribution was a flawed but worthwhile book on Military spending. This book might have triggered some worthwhile exchanges on this critical subject. People like The Daily Howler where not interested. Whatever and finally, this just plays like Bob's excuse making to return to one of his tired targets. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12717791671475653452013-12-15T23:09:04.755-05:002013-12-15T23:09:04.755-05:00Whether it's the election race for NYC mayor o...Whether it's the election race for NYC mayor or Port Authority shenanigans, TDH should stay far away from NY/NJ politics. Bob doesn't seem to have much knowledge of the players or the issues. Just a helpful tip from another long-time dissatisfied blog reader. Trollmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-3602935537351593732013-12-14T16:34:34.631-05:002013-12-14T16:34:34.631-05:00mm, we'll see how it plays out. The national n...mm, we'll see how it plays out. The national news has had other fish to fry in the last week or so (when the story might have gotten more national traction), plus,it's the holiday season, when news gets flabby under any circumstances. Today's NYT had another story on it all (Christie's stonewalling and jokes you refer to, maybe, or still more of that). Maybe the story will outlive the holiday season. <br /><br />Tangentially to something else I was working on, just a few weeks ago I came across an account of the theft of the Town Records of Elizabethtown in 1699 by someone (everyone knew who it was but couldn't prove it -- and no, not a Lenape or African slave who might have had grounds) trying to discredit the land claims of the first (English, maybe a few Dutch) settlers there. It's in NJ's DNA. mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-41115630113512875572013-12-14T09:45:22.720-05:002013-12-14T09:45:22.720-05:00The same reason people rubberneck at car wrecks.The same reason people rubberneck at car wrecks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-64184521951888969902013-12-14T09:08:28.813-05:002013-12-14T09:08:28.813-05:00One of the most marvelous aspects of being rich an...One of the most marvelous aspects of being rich and powerful in the USA is not only do you get to bask in your power and privilege unmolested, but you're fortified by an army of lower orders who essentially volunteer to protect your privilege. "Nothng to see here, folks." What a country!Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84727101366301715442013-12-14T09:03:18.250-05:002013-12-14T09:03:18.250-05:00Amen. Nothing to see here, folks.Amen. Nothing to see here, folks.Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14845921251983447182013-12-14T06:57:54.031-05:002013-12-14T06:57:54.031-05:00First, it is odd that as big as this story is in N...First, it is odd that as big as this story is in New York and New Jersey the only person I heard about it from was Maddow. <br />Could it be that there's a conscious effort by national reporters who are so enthralled with Christie the straight shooter straight talker from New Jersey and the Republican everybody can love that they would like this story to go away?<br /><br />I'm beginning to think if TDH was around in 1972 he would be writing articles mocking Woodward and Bernstein for chasing a third rate burglary story.<br /><br />Yes, there's no evidence that Christie was involved. That's part of the fucking story. So far there's been outright LIES offered as an explanation and stonewalling and jokes from the Governor. The guy was his political appointee after all.mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55105317157767259782013-12-14T06:43:32.724-05:002013-12-14T06:43:32.724-05:00Ah, the TDH logicians. Ever bumping their noses in...Ah, the TDH logicians. Ever bumping their noses into one tree or another, always missing the forest.<br /><br />An alternate motto for TDH might be: "Nothing to see here folks."<br /><br />Yes, Christie's involvement, even if by surrogate, will inevitably be revealed. The logicians can run circles around their trees. We've seen movies like this before and have a pretty clear idea of how they turn out.<br /><br />Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90728410472701371122013-12-14T00:41:23.697-05:002013-12-14T00:41:23.697-05:00Having grown up in NJ, where my parents lived till...Having grown up in NJ, where my parents lived till they died a few years ago, and still in regular contact with my friends (agemates, others there, many of whom have been distressingly, to me, rah-rah Christie), all I can say is, whoa, does Bob have any idea how NJ and NY work? WSJ has been on this story from the beginning. (Why does Bob never cover WSJ, btw which reaches more people than NYT? Just wondering.) Anyway, even if Christie did not know what his minions were up to (and I'm perfectly willing to believe he didn't know they were up to this specific inanity), shouldn't we judge a politician in part by his minions? Not just the odd "bad apple." I don't hold against Lamar Alexander his former chief of staff, for instance -- not without more evidence, but "a pattern of behavior" as you might call it? This is a real story, and Bob's attempts to report, partially, what Maddow reported, to a readership of his posts that probably doesn't follow all the coverage, are another example of his peculiar contrarianism (that's my generous interpretation).<br /><br />Bob's summary of Rachel's reporting is also partial and unfair, btw, in case some readers here are relying on Bob for a full and fair summary of her report. mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38001087209859231722013-12-13T23:21:31.734-05:002013-12-13T23:21:31.734-05:00Why not stop watching her program, since you disli...Why not stop watching her program, since you dislike her so much. Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13297404386730167834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-67465998177899119142013-12-13T20:05:52.004-05:002013-12-13T20:05:52.004-05:00"evidence free assertions"
Wait a minut..."evidence free assertions"<br /><br />Wait a minute! Time out. What pray tell were her "assertions"? She never made any. All she did was report a story that seems to be pretty big in NY/NJ that I had never heard about. It seems important enough for 5 subpoenas to have been issued by the State Assembly.<br /><br />Again, Maddow is not making allegations or assertions, she's simply reporting what others are saying. And as hard as people have been trying to get an explanation for what occurred, there's been lies and obstruction from the people responsible. Christie is the fucking governor and he makes jokes. And yes, it was reported in the Wall Street Journal that Christie called Gov. Cuomo to complain. It's not a fucking rumor.<br /><br /><br />*****<br />A spokesman for Mr. Christie said Thursday that the governor talks to Mr. Cuomo regularly “on any number of mutual-interest topics. Those conversations are private.”<br /><br />A spokesman for Mr. Cuomo declined to comment. Asked in a radio interview Thursday whether he had spoken to Mr. Christie about the bridge matter, Mr. Cuomo didn’t answer the question. “I don’t know anything more than basically what has been in the newspapers,” he said.<br /><br />The call between the two ambitious governors was another illustration of how the controversy has mushroomed into a headache for Mr. Christie.<br />http://www.salon.com/2013/12/12/report_christie_asked_cuomo_to_rein_in_investigator_of_george_washington_bridge_closure/<br />*****<br /><br />A nice non-denial denial. <br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-32582366037650094722013-12-13T17:53:48.003-05:002013-12-13T17:53:48.003-05:00Surely it's possible, but be careful to rememb...Surely it's possible, but be careful to remember<br />that wishful thinking is not the same thing as proof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48601907052894332002013-12-13T17:23:53.074-05:002013-12-13T17:23:53.074-05:00Your phone call allegation is a rumor. Cuomo hasn&...Your phone call allegation is a rumor. Cuomo hasn't said this call took place. A Pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17271249021688836382013-12-13T17:22:00.351-05:002013-12-13T17:22:00.351-05:00Not only that, but according to Confused, Christie...Not only that, but according to Confused, Christie's involvement is inevitable!! <br /><br />It not even possible that he wasn't involved. <br /><br />Its not even possible that his friend was simply being stupid on his own accord. <br /><br />Never mind that there is absolutely no positive evidence that Christie was involved. <br /><br />Never mind that Christie would have to be an idiot of absolutely monumental proportions to be involved in such stupidity. <br /><br />How dare Bob only say that it is possible (but unlikely)!!<br /><br />It inevitable!!!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-45252068070205550052013-12-13T17:15:41.853-05:002013-12-13T17:15:41.853-05:00Beutiful logic on dislpay.
Folks don't you ...Beutiful logic on dislpay. <br /><br />Folks don't you see? If Christie is later shown to have been involved then that retroactively justifies darling Rachel's current evidence free assertions!<br /><br />Logic is dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69229939678433330922013-12-13T16:01:28.043-05:002013-12-13T16:01:28.043-05:00"Why don't you go away?"
hahaha!"Why don't you go away?"<br /><br />hahaha! CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-24148652793838270782013-12-13T16:01:04.015-05:002013-12-13T16:01:04.015-05:00"Why don't you go away?"
hahaha!"Why don't you go away?"<br /><br />hahaha! CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82865444571381642182013-12-13T15:45:12.240-05:002013-12-13T15:45:12.240-05:00Degenerate, sickening troll. Bob, you are allowin...Degenerate, sickening troll. Bob, you are allowing such a degenerate troll to ruin the comment section and you need to ban this monster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65482613980398364372013-12-13T15:33:38.361-05:002013-12-13T15:33:38.361-05:00Commenters: save this one for reposting when we di...Commenters: save this one for reposting when we discover, inevitably, that Christie DID have something to do with it.<br /><br />Confusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-61119515715367642072013-12-13T15:30:50.694-05:002013-12-13T15:30:50.694-05:00"But she seems to want to make lots of dough&..."But she seems to want to make lots of dough"<br /><br />What an envious, shit-sucking bone-gnawer.<br /><br />Why don't you go away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17131777414517852652013-12-13T13:57:14.489-05:002013-12-13T13:57:14.489-05:00"Christie can’t explain what happened if he d..."Christie can’t explain what happened if he doesn’t know what happened. In three nights of substantial time loss, Rachel has presented no evidence suggesting that he does."<br /><br />Well maybe he can explain why he would call the Governor of New York to try to pressure him to get New York officials to back off on questioning what happened.<br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.com