tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post836518813334725633..comments2024-03-28T16:18:12.319-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BULLROAR OVER BENGHAZI: Return of the famous old Clinton Rules!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12603021156449480702013-06-03T04:19:23.178-04:002013-06-03T04:19:23.178-04:00First, how does this apply to postcard Student Loa...First, how does this apply to postcard Student Loans For People With Bad Credit?<br /><br />After the It's You campaign. The league did extensive market research to communicate the Student Loans For People With Bad Credit 3. This is not about following an established step-by-step guide - it's all about <br />satisfying yourself about your package - why buy me?<br />Also, you need to rehearse or test before you" go live. This is a good example of how tough it can be a bit lower on their price ideas to get some good trial and inflows, [cigarette] brand-switching.<br /><br />Have a look at my website :: <a href="http://youngbusiness.info" rel="nofollow">Student Loans People</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54604247863016085032013-05-18T06:05:10.271-04:002013-05-18T06:05:10.271-04:00Let's be clear here.
The CIA may be a necessa...Let's be clear here.<br /><br />The CIA may be a necessary evil, but it's often inept. It was grossly so when George Tenet infamously said weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were a "slam dunk."<br /><br />In this case (Benghazi), the so-called State Department "annex" was essentially a CIA station staffed mostly with CIA personnel. It was the CIA that screwed up (with lack of security, with inadequate "intelligence"). But the CIA wanted to shift all the blame to the State Department.<br /><br />Susan Rice did her part in helping to cover for the CIA. That's often the role given "diplomats," in this country and in others. Term it what you will. Shading the full truth. Protecting other operatives and operations. Providing cover.<br /><br />What's clear is that there was no "scandal" and no "cover up." Susan Rice was pilloried for political reasons. And the ultimate target for Republicans is HIllary Clinton.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Republicans continue to obstruct every meaningful piece of legislation that might help average citizens. They waste time and energy and money voting to overturn Obamacare and conduct politically-motivated and factually-vacant "hearings" for petty – and mean – partisan purposes.<br /><br />And the mainstream press goes along. Just like it did in the run-up to war in Iraq. Or as it did (and Bob keeps pointing this out) with Whitewater, or in branding Al Gore a loser.<br /><br />As Bob keeps saying, our mainstream press is not very good. And that's especially true with education reporting. <br /><br />But isn't the really BIG Benghazi story the fact that there is NO story, that Republicans are pushing it purely for political purposes, and that they doctored emails (i.e. they made stuff up) to try to create a "scandal?"<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8629287407755839492013-05-18T00:54:10.853-04:002013-05-18T00:54:10.853-04:00oops, sorry, gryfalon. I don't usually need a...oops, sorry, gryfalon. I don't usually need a sarcasm alert...CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69586366509163914212013-05-18T00:51:26.552-04:002013-05-18T00:51:26.552-04:00gryfalon,
Please post those links.gryfalon,<br /><br />Please post those links.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-21231337328384372812013-05-18T00:07:48.441-04:002013-05-18T00:07:48.441-04:00Toby, I'm astonished that you can say you'...Toby, I'm astonished that you can say you've never read or heard anything to suggest there was a demonstration going on. That was reported by the NYTimes and WSJ reporters on the ground in Benghazi at the time it happened. The CIA itself says in one of those emails that they've had reports of it.<br /><br />There were people hanging around and watching the fun of the attack who said to reporters and apparently to CIA sources that they were there to protest the video.<br /><br />Read more widely.gyrfalconnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89272930841836375692013-05-17T23:54:04.331-04:002013-05-17T23:54:04.331-04:00Well, they didn't "blindly" accept t...Well, they didn't "blindly" accept the CIA version. That's what the email brouhaha is all about.<br /><br />The CIA didn't claim the attack was unforeseeable. The CIA claims that it issued warnings.<br /><br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-29070071293144244302013-05-17T23:49:34.979-04:002013-05-17T23:49:34.979-04:00AllI see is that they were scrubbed of a CIA offer...AllI see is that they were scrubbed of a CIA offering about having issued warnings, and they were scrubbed of the info that Ansar al-Sharia was involved.<br /><br />Is there something else?CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-65608212058799757242013-05-17T22:40:42.394-04:002013-05-17T22:40:42.394-04:00If Benghazi was a CIA installation, didn't the...If Benghazi was a CIA installation, didn't the CIA have every motivation to claim the attack was unforeseeable and unrelated to their activities? Why does the apparent fact that the talking point came from the CIA make it beyond reproach, and how did the rest of the administration, competent and smart, become naive rubes, blindly having to accept what the CIA put out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90052948625427958492013-05-17T20:56:15.666-04:002013-05-17T20:56:15.666-04:00@urban legend - I'm just one of "Those&qu...@urban legend - I'm just one of "Those" people, eh? A nice touch of the Alynsky in your post. Do you really believe that the CIA, the FBI and the State Dept are telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Used to be that the left held institutions such as these in utter contempt. My, how times have changed.<br /><br />@CeceliaMc - What's a "dead horse" is Somerby's notion that there was nothing wrong with Rice's "talking points". It's been demonstrated beyond a doubt that they were scrubbed and massaged quite thoroughly. What's in contention now is who was involved with the changes and why they made them.TobyTuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598549743757103132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-92021483673265066722013-05-17T20:16:58.900-04:002013-05-17T20:16:58.900-04:00Jonst
Why do you think UL was responding to your p...Jonst<br />Why do you think UL was responding to your post? Seems to me he's responding to TT. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42517984198889619322013-05-17T17:29:05.227-04:002013-05-17T17:29:05.227-04:00Jonst,
I don't know how in the world you guys...Jonst,<br /><br />I don't know how in the world you guys are calling this a "dead horse" when the very subject of whether the State Dept was massaging the talking points is on every news show.<br /><br />I don't know how you can suggest that it's a poor defense to argue that she related what was the latest and most consistent CIA assessment of the matter.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20795383440748765312013-05-17T17:16:50.789-04:002013-05-17T17:16:50.789-04:00You're another one UL...can you read? Do you s...You're another one UL...can you read? Do you see the words "matters a rat's ass' above? Do you see what comes before it? Can you even come up with an original criticism of what I'm saying? Instead of reading YOUR talking points? Try reading it slowly this time. <br /><br />For the tenth time...if it took Rice down, all this is worth it. jonstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18131190805515768002013-05-17T16:10:57.370-04:002013-05-17T16:10:57.370-04:00Susan Rice said exactly what she should have said....Susan Rice said exactly what she should have said. Whatever she said was consistent with what the CIA, FBI and State were comfortable with, and they were the agencies with the responsibility for investigating the matter. I'll bet you don't even know that Rice said that day to Bob Schieffer that al Qaeda could be involved, a fact that completely destroys your treasured notion that there was an attempt to downplay the possible role of terrorism. But then again, for people determined to believe there was some kind of scandal, your criticism will morph into something else. Facts are simply irrelevant to you.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74862792710146609982013-05-17T15:19:18.978-04:002013-05-17T15:19:18.978-04:00You are correct. This is precisely the question th...You are correct. This is precisely the question that should be asked....to the limited extent that is, that anything to do with Benghazi matters a rats ass. I would have like to seen Jay Carey come out and play the Pretenders old song to explain Benghazi....'when ya own a big chunk of the bloody third world the babies just come with the scenery" Now THAT would have a been a truthful briefing!jonstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35791081781564636402013-05-17T15:01:19.694-04:002013-05-17T15:01:19.694-04:00It still remains a great mystery as to why the CIA...It still remains a great mystery as to why the CIA claimed there were "demonstrations" on the night in question when by all eyewitness accounts I've seen refute that claim. All was quiet until the attackers pulled up in their trucks and began assaulting the consulate. There were no demonstrations TO "hijack". <br /><br />How this piece of dis-information came to be is one aspect of this tragedy that has not received the attention that it deserves and puts into question other "facts" about Benghazi. <br /><br />Somerby's use of this unsupported claim by the CIA in his defense of Rice at this late date is rather disturbing, especially so considering his disparagement of the CIA in other articles he's published and in this very article where he derides them for the lack of action in identifying the perpetrators and bringing them to justice.<br /><br />His criticisms of the education establishment seem well-founded, his defense of Susan Rice, not so much. In his beating of this long dead horse, Somerby approaches the obsessiveness one usually ascribes to conspiracy theorists, the likes of which he is usually quick to debunk. TobyTuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598549743757103132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-68229626208068781822013-05-17T14:47:54.477-04:002013-05-17T14:47:54.477-04:00You're wrong about that. I'm not sure what...You're wrong about that. I'm not sure what complaint could rationally be lodged against Rice. They all pushed what the CIA wanted pushed, and only dissented when the CIA said it had issued warnings to the State Dept. and when the CIA mentioned groups based upon unconfirmed info. I'd demand more proof before I made either of those claims, too.<br /><br />I'm sure they were pleased as punch to have the CIA anti-Islamic video motivation and goodness knows Clinton drove the hell out of that bus.<br /><br />Who could blame them though. <br /><br />As an aside, I'm suspicious of the whole CIA operation, and what effect that could have played in the decision not to try to intervene.<br />CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-31796042358238031332013-05-17T14:44:14.951-04:002013-05-17T14:44:14.951-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CeceliaMchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16017255006204800193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34028939434502008452013-05-17T14:07:48.508-04:002013-05-17T14:07:48.508-04:00And you seem to be obsessed with criticizing this ...And you seem to be obsessed with criticizing this blog, repeating over and over a different way of saying the same thing and offering absolutely zero substantive support for what you claim. Of course, you offer no substantive support because you have none. urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50597473634009096082013-05-17T14:03:24.176-04:002013-05-17T14:03:24.176-04:00If you can't comprehend the central importance...If you can't comprehend the central importance of exactly this kind of journalistic malpractice, and the need to repeat it until recognition reaches some kind of critical mass among at least a prominent segment of the media world, then you are profoundly stupid. Apparently you prefer to follow your own little narrative you think might cause readers to discount what TDH says.<br /><br />The Gore War has never reached critical mass in public knowledge, but at least you don't see "Gore said he invented the Internet" very much anymore. At least there are a few thousand or a few hundred who will swamp the "Contact Us" link when someone tries it. This site is probably about 99.5% responsible for that.urban legendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19499037478844337882013-05-17T13:36:55.543-04:002013-05-17T13:36:55.543-04:00If we all just look the other way maybe this ongoi...If we all just look the other way maybe this ongoing pattern of media malfeasance and incompetence that has so badly damaged this country for a generation will simply just go away. <br /><br />On the bright side, today's Friday, maybe "Rach" will provide us one of her "yippee!" super neato cool "wonky" stories that make her so adorable, and the boutique liberals love! MaxFrostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-91124866491743582982013-05-17T13:02:12.923-04:002013-05-17T13:02:12.923-04:00Wonderful post? I disagree. I go with the first ...Wonderful post? I disagree. I go with the first post and I honestly think Somerby's become as obsessed with this as the right wing. Let's assume Somerby's correct. His writing hasn't changed a thing. He's been screaming in defense of Susan Rice for seven or so months now. So all he's really doing is feeding into the right-wing frenzy on Benghazi and keeping this non-issue alive. Bob Somerby, Karl Rove's best employee.Lewis Spadanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-39109819657643465712013-05-17T12:30:08.221-04:002013-05-17T12:30:08.221-04:00Wonderful post.
A lot of us weren't as plugge...Wonderful post. <br />A lot of us weren't as plugged in during the Clinton years, so the context is helpful. I was aware of what seemed to be a media "narrative" but I had small children at home, I was busy, etc. <br />It's equal parts fascinating and horrible watching it start up all over again. <br />I've gotten to where I think of them as addicts, that sort of pattern. They go on a bender, there's a (brief) period of remorse, quickly followed by blaming everyone else for the bender.<br /> I can tell we're at the "blaming everyone else" stage because the complaint yesterday was that the Obama Administration didn't release the emails quickly enough. Had the administration released the emails more quickly, media wouldn't have had to rely on emails that were made up! <br />Then the cycle starts back up again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36762919482755848932013-05-17T11:49:49.229-04:002013-05-17T11:49:49.229-04:00I can't figure out whether Grandpa Somerby is ...I can't figure out whether Grandpa Somerby is making Susan Rice or Hillary Clinton his new focus but after 13 years, he's finally found another dead horse to beat like he has on the 2000 election. There really are serious issues in this world. I thought this was a blog that sometimes focused on education. But please, Grandpa, tell us another story about last September, it'll help get us down for our naps. I'm yawning already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com