tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post8470164166350742123..comments2024-03-19T03:26:51.618-04:00Comments on the daily howler: BREAKING: We disagree with Drum's advice!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34034292797489399892018-02-08T14:57:32.671-05:002018-02-08T14:57:32.671-05:00Even know-nothing Republicans are calling out Hann...Even know-nothing Republicans are calling out Hannity's nonsense now. <br />We're well on our way to straightening this mess out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14291074240914730482018-02-07T09:21:20.060-05:002018-02-07T09:21:20.060-05:00Hello everyone i am happy to spread my testimony o...Hello everyone i am happy to spread my testimony of a strong spell caster called Dr Great. 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So i emailed him and told him my problem and he gave me instructions which I followed and after 48 hours later he told me that the spell is done and my husband will no longer divorce me and when my husband came back from work he told me that he has canceled the divorce papers he didn't know what came over him that he is sorry I was so happy and I thank Dr Great for his help If you need Dr Great help email him at infinitylovespell@gmail.com and he will put an end to your problem Kaitlyn Houstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02986782654761751015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66505741024806507942018-02-07T07:48:50.969-05:002018-02-07T07:48:50.969-05:00Bob, could you tell us how we should talk to peopl...Bob, could you tell us how we should talk to people who believe Obama allowed 3 million illegals to vote in California because he said they could. You tirelessly say that democrats lose voter because they don't know how to talk to them. Are democrats supposed to start showing cultural resentments and other bigoted statements republicans make in order to relate and empathize with these voters? Not this democrayy.Alan Snipeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05070460889011106908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20758849833138908272018-02-06T21:52:46.989-05:002018-02-06T21:52:46.989-05:00How anyone can look at all the Trump voters protes...How anyone can look at all the Trump voters protesting at Trump Tower regarding the President's nomination of Wall Streeters to the levers of economic power, and still think Trump voters are bigots is beyond Bob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30994394775645587612018-02-06T20:43:39.120-05:002018-02-06T20:43:39.120-05:00Bob is an appeaserBob is an appeaserAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54012680362435235812018-02-06T20:15:52.177-05:002018-02-06T20:15:52.177-05:00And Somerby has never road-tested any of his so-ca...And Somerby has never road-tested any of his so-called solutions. What about a podcast where he tries to talk to conservatives about liberal issues? Op-ed columns to try to persuade? A YouTube channel where he does that? How about a single post where he shows us how he would do it? Heck, some of the commenters here, including myself, have mentioned their travails dealing with friends, family members, or colleagues, who are Trump supporters. Has Somerby ever related a similar story about himself? <br /><br />Instead, he seems content to chide liberals, and like those academics that he so despises, he seems content to remain in his ivory tower while railing at the rest of us to just do something. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-27058470877493307722018-02-06T18:16:18.091-05:002018-02-06T18:16:18.091-05:00Google it. It's certainly seems far more likel...Google it. It's certainly seems far more likely than the idiotic story concocted by Crowdstrike, paid by the DNC. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43097654406599695682018-02-06T18:09:17.523-05:002018-02-06T18:09:17.523-05:00Well, just the belief that anyone who's not an...Well, just the belief that anyone who's not an admirer of liberal bullshit has to be getting their news from Hannity - that's already a clear sign of a diseased zombie-brain. Quite worrying indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22241106400155402632018-02-06T17:40:01.972-05:002018-02-06T17:40:01.972-05:00Yup, I saw Somerby's brilliant take on things ...Yup, I saw Somerby's brilliant take on things in his gallant and spirited defense of Moore. The 'dumb' tactics he attacked was what allowed Jones to win. <br /><br />The majority of Somerby's attacks aren't even substantive, they are nitpicking driven by his obsession with Maddow. And he ignores facts himself all the time. <br /><br />TDH wants liberals to lose, so he can bitch about how this can all be attributted to their failure to defend Gore in 2000. He wants Trump to win, and therefore he is a 'useful' idiot for Trump. But he doesn't really have the audience to be useful to Trump, so perhaps he is better called a useless idiot. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-73402560172769601202018-02-06T17:35:15.633-05:002018-02-06T17:35:15.633-05:00We have no facts concerning what the best way to r...We have no facts concerning what the best way to rebut nonsense might be. <br /><br />I don’t think Somerby’s approach works, based on my own interactions with Trump supporters. I don’t think his constant reviling liberals is helpful either. I support GOTV efforts aimed at existing Democrats and likely Dem voters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56918916379437103972018-02-06T17:18:42.243-05:002018-02-06T17:18:42.243-05:00Mao, what's the evidence that Rich was the lea...Mao, what's the evidence that Rich was the leaker or that he was murdered by the DNC's henchmen? ac/manoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-81253123886628177182018-02-06T17:15:13.997-05:002018-02-06T17:15:13.997-05:00anon - 4:09, you are brainless if you see TDH defe...anon - 4:09, you are brainless if you see TDH defending Trump as usual - he criticizes what he believes are dumb tactics for opposing the prez - and he is usually right. TDH has a different take on things, not the same tired fact deficient narratives - there is a place for that.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-43676273304634718832018-02-06T16:22:09.318-05:002018-02-06T16:22:09.318-05:00Here's where I think Bob goes wrong. He keeps...Here's where I think Bob goes wrong. He keeps saying that liberals don't care and that we're dumb and horrible people. I'm sure that's true of some liberals, just like it's true of any group of humans, but for the most part I think that liberals are really trying their best to do the right thing (just like most people are).<br /><br />Unfortunately - again, just like most people - they're not being represented well by the people who speak for them or who give them information. As a citizenry, we all need to demand that the media do a better job. Although "both sides do it" is incredibly destructive, it is in fact true that "both sides" have a tendency to shade facts and events in their favor.<br /><br />Again, that's human nature. Collectively, we need to find a way to get people to care more about the truth rather than advancing their tribal interests. I'm not optimistic.Jonny Scrum-halfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700652770637696602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77659080220614768802018-02-06T16:09:02.183-05:002018-02-06T16:09:02.183-05:00And what Somerby was doing was defending Trump, as...And what Somerby was doing was defending Trump, as usual. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74045507209515457782018-02-06T16:08:09.285-05:002018-02-06T16:08:09.285-05:00Asking the question implies that someone is either...Asking the question implies that someone is either a conspiracy nut, or a brainwashed idiot, or (in your case), a paid Kremlin troll. <br /><br />None of those categories fall remotely into the bucket of sensible conservatives one can debate with. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-22748791781620266262018-02-06T15:53:48.726-05:002018-02-06T15:53:48.726-05:00It probably can't be done but we have to start...It probably can't be done but we have to start by being very straightforward and honest and balanced and we need to be tremendously respectful and also listen and especially empathize as much as possible. All of these things conflict hard with the commercial imperatives of the largest media from our side which depend on emphasizing inbalances and cultural differences between us as has been noted on this site time and time again.<br /><br />Plus, it's true. We're flat out assholes. We're dicks. Because of this, it makes it a pleasure for the others to defeat us and it makes it so easy for Hannity to drop those lies on their heads day after day, decade after decade. <br /><br />What a business to be in. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62735976237160469772018-02-06T15:03:28.839-05:002018-02-06T15:03:28.839-05:00That's one crazy post, Bob. Denouncing liberal...That's one crazy post, Bob. Denouncing liberal arrogance while simultaneously exhibiting it, with flying colors. <br /><br />So, by the way: what happened to Seth Rich? Was he the leaker of the DNC emails, murdered by their henchmen? <br /><br />Or does asking this question amount to conning someone? Is it also racist, misogynistic, and homophobic? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48265940736611446182018-02-06T14:57:37.765-05:002018-02-06T14:57:37.765-05:00And yet, to take one recent example, the Nunes mem...And yet, to take one recent example, the Nunes memo, the one that Hannity hyped so much, was being dissected and rebutted point by point on "Our Channels." (Drum did the same thing in a previous post). Our Channels were showing, in a factual manner, why that memo was bullhockey. And to some extent it was helping. Some R's at least were denying the memo's impact on the investigation. <br /><br />So, I guess I'm saying, I heard liberals on TV saying exactly the following two things about the memo:<br /><br />1) You're getting conned by people like Hannity.<br />2) You have a citizen's duty to stop accepting this.<br /><br />I did not hear:<br />1) You're a gang of racists and homophobes.<br />2) You are very, very dumb, unlike us very bright liberals.<br /><br />By the way, what might be one strategy to convince a Hannity viewer that that viewer is being conned by Hannity? Saying "Hannity is an evil sob..." or "I'm sure Hannity means well, but let me show you something..."?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com