tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post8488086131581188811..comments2024-03-29T10:24:51.142-04:00Comments on the daily howler: STARTING TOMORROW: Our Rhetoric, Ourselves!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-42009659348946847192022-05-25T08:29:37.805-04:002022-05-25T08:29:37.805-04:00Forget Nam, forget Demigod Barry. The past has pas...Forget Nam, forget Demigod Barry. The past has past.<br /><br />Right now, today, with the Veg installed only two years ago, the deep state has already started a war (The War) with the Russian Federation. Playing the exciting (to them) game of nuclear brinkmanship.<br /><br />...and here's the infamous racist-fascist Noam Chomsky: <br /><br />“Fortunately, there is one statesman in the United States and Europe who has made a very sensible statement about how you can solve the crisis. Namely, by facilitating negotiations instead of undermining them, and moving towards establishing some kind of accommodation in Europe in which there are no military alliances — which is mutual accommodation [...] So going back to the one Western statesman — he didn’t mention all of this but he suggested something similar: Move toward negotiations and diplomacy instead of escalating the war, try to see if you can bring about an accommodation which would be roughly along these lines. His name is Donald J Trump,” Chomsky concluded.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40892464582818933852022-05-25T07:25:21.070-04:002022-05-25T07:25:21.070-04:00Obama's illegal, murderous wars:
https://www....Obama's illegal, murderous wars:<br /><br />https://www.csis.org/analysis/obama-administration-ending-two-wars-engagement-five-%E2%80%93-risk-sixthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-49546625934106553192022-05-25T07:23:05.266-04:002022-05-25T07:23:05.266-04:00Vietnam was on LBJ: https://www.politico.com/magaz...Vietnam was on LBJ: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/vietnam-lbj-pleiku-haunts-democrats-115259/<br /><br />I realize you are mentally ill though. I hope you can get some help. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8655073235029641342022-05-25T07:07:42.499-04:002022-05-25T07:07:42.499-04:00OK - here you go - let me demonstrate for you - Gr...OK - here you go - let me demonstrate for you - Greg said "Bob fails to mention the piece is clearly<br />marked “opinion.”<br /><br />Bob said "In this morning's Washington Post, an <i>opinion</i> essay appears beneath this headline".<br /><br />This is why Greg's claim is demonstrably false. Bob does mention the piece is clearly marked “opinion.”<br /><br /><br />See now, moron?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-35304822550512433142022-05-25T07:02:29.931-04:002022-05-25T07:02:29.931-04:00Only two of your examples are of Republicans start...Only two of your examples are of Republicans starting wars and Democrats ending them. What about the wars Obama started? I guess you must be crazy. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-19768863047329671882022-05-24T19:31:22.218-04:002022-05-24T19:31:22.218-04:00AC/MA you lied about "punching" and &quo...AC/MA you lied about "punching" and "pummeling" and other testimony, you lied about the jury. These were directly demonstrable lies.<br /><br />You also lie about being a lawyer and a Dem, these are made clear from how utterly nonsensical your comments are on such topics. Furthermore those here making good faith comments do not go around offering unsolicited details of their personal life; "I'm a lawyer, so listen here..." "I'm a dem, so listen here..." nobody says these kind of ridiculous things, other than you and the other lonely right wing trolls, we make our points and let them stand.<br /><br />You lied just now as well: "You've never pointed out anything I've ever said" This HAS been pointed out to you, repeatedly, so that quote is a lie.<br /><br />You have no credibility here. Nobody here is interested in your stale notions of hate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56231853352031679302022-05-24T19:19:59.874-04:002022-05-24T19:19:59.874-04:00I think your points are beside the point, which is...I think your points are beside the point, which is also the criticism of Somerby's criitque.<br /><br />Whether anti choice people think their rationales are correct or if they are being disingenuous was addressed - and with widely known and repeated points: conservatives generally supported choice prior and post Roe, they were the ones that decided on Roe in the Supreme Court, they only changed their tune when it was found they could weaponize the issue to advance racial oppression.<br /><br />Your point is so limited in its scope that you can defend it technically, but to what end? I can only read the quotes of the opinion piece that Somerby offers, and the only specific phrase that does not square is "The real agenda here is to boost White birthrates". Yet this is rhetoric in an opinion piece where the general thrust seems accurate: Republicans are obsessed with Replacement theory, they do promote racial oppression, and the real motivation behind much of what they do, including Roe, is racial oppression.<br /><br />I would not be too proud that your point stands technically unrefuted, you made a point that is besides the point, and that is pretty disgusting considering the seriousness of the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77263703725309783282022-05-24T13:38:40.375-04:002022-05-24T13:38:40.375-04:00No, you didn’t.No, you didn’t.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-34151775820139700082022-05-24T13:04:16.830-04:002022-05-24T13:04:16.830-04:00If you consider my statement wrong, list some wars...If you consider my statement wrong, list some wars with who started them and who ended them. Don't just call other people names.<br /><br />1. Iraq war -- started by George W. Bush (R) and withdrawal completed by Barak Obama (D) in 2011.<br /><br />2. WWII -- started in 1939 with Germany's invasion of Poland, US entered after being bombed by Japan in 1941, both during FDR's terms (D), although it is hard to stay he started either. Ended by Harry S. Truman (D) in 1945.<br /><br />3. Korean War -- started in 1950 under Harry S. Truman (D) but was fundamentally a civil war after the Japanese colony was liberated at the end of WWII. Technically it has not ended but an armistice was declared in 1953 under Harry S. Truman (D).<br /><br />4. Vietnam War -- started in 1955 under Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) and ended in 1975 under Gerald Ford (R) who took over for Richard Nixon (R). Arguably, the largely Democratic peace movement motivated Nixon to withdraw from an unpopular conflict.<br /><br />5. WWI -- war started in Europe in 1913 and Woodrow Wilson (D) was initially neutral but entered the war in 1914. Wilson (D) ended the war in 1918.<br /><br />6. Spanish-American War -- started by William McKinley (R) in April, 1898 following the sinking of the Maine in Cuba (thought to have been done in order to justify war). Ended by McKinley (R) in December 1898. Much territory was gained for US.<br /><br />Afghanistan War -- Started in October 2001 by George W. Bush (R) and ended in August 2021 by Joseph Biden (D)<br /><br />I think this substantiates my claim. If you contest it, please supply facts.<br /><br /> Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-74404797900198483552022-05-24T10:43:58.949-04:002022-05-24T10:43:58.949-04:0010:17 You're avoiding the issue. "Histori...10:17 You're avoiding the issue. "Historically, Republicans start wars and Democrats end them" is wrong. And ignorant as hell!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90264802888576766422022-05-24T10:35:08.504-04:002022-05-24T10:35:08.504-04:00I did already, retard.I did already, retard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-50698848740110541072022-05-24T10:29:37.490-04:002022-05-24T10:29:37.490-04:00Yeah, Broome supports Democrats because he can’t s...Yeah, Broome supports Democrats because he can’t stand Republicans. That doesn’t change the fact that his view is an outlier amongst liberals. mhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-54430057716268988192022-05-24T10:20:27.919-04:002022-05-24T10:20:27.919-04:00Calling anyone you disagree with a "retard&qu...Calling anyone you disagree with a "retard" is not only mocking those with mental disabilities, but it demonstrates the kind of lack of empathy that characterizes Republicans (and trolls). <br /><br />If Greg said something "demonstrably" false, then go ahead and demonstrate how he was wrong.Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90475759056510392382022-05-24T10:17:34.598-04:002022-05-24T10:17:34.598-04:00Name calling isn't an argument.Name calling isn't an argument. Not a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36394753100646136802022-05-24T07:24:13.406-04:002022-05-24T07:24:13.406-04:00People are going to insult you when you make compl...People are going to insult you when you make completely stupid claims that are demonstrably false like you did at 10;10.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78830571465514667762022-05-24T07:21:47.171-04:002022-05-24T07:21:47.171-04:00"Historically, Republicans start wars and Dem..."Historically, Republicans start wars and Democrats end them."<br /><br />OH MY GOD!!!! HOWLER OF THE CENTURY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-15933571537830254912022-05-23T23:30:50.407-04:002022-05-23T23:30:50.407-04:00Anonn at 2:54, more cheap insults from the right, ...Anonn at 2:54, more cheap insults from the right, ho hum. Extra credit for berating the mentally ill. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82882603391942901532022-05-23T23:28:49.481-04:002022-05-23T23:28:49.481-04:00Republicans have consistently opposed passing laws...Republicans have consistently opposed passing laws or restrictions to keep guns away from the mentally ill. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09288008924419574934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-5073662611377661792022-05-23T22:41:27.642-04:002022-05-23T22:41:27.642-04:00Somerby doesn’t scold journalists for not quoting....Somerby doesn’t scold journalists for not quoting. He scolds them for failure to repeat Trump’s self-serving lies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80845200918348435612022-05-23T21:42:32.670-04:002022-05-23T21:42:32.670-04:00The point is not whether theological and moral bas...The point is not whether theological and moral bases are correct, but whether abortion opponents think they are correct, and use them.<br /><br />In any case, my point made at 1:18 stands unrefuted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76620218728523638062022-05-23T21:37:15.550-04:002022-05-23T21:37:15.550-04:00anon 7:49, do tell what "lies" I told. Y...anon 7:49, do tell what "lies" I told. You use the same rhetorical trick that Trump always uses - "have I really forgotten all the lies I pushed" - skipping over the part about what the alleged lies were. You aren't able to apply reason, so I suppose it's useless to discuss anything with you.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8757606277201568602022-05-23T21:22:25.329-04:002022-05-23T21:22:25.329-04:00Broome isn’t engaged in reasoning about white supr...Broome isn’t engaged in reasoning about white supremacy — he is describing what he (and many others) see happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-76765749483077338422022-05-23T21:19:08.672-04:002022-05-23T21:19:08.672-04:00The US never had colonies. We acquired colonies of...The US never had colonies. We acquired colonies of other colonial countries after wars but didn’t engage in colonialism ourselves. But you be you.<br /><br />Historically, Republicans start wars and Democrats end them. Did you learn history from a comic book, or are you part of a Russian troll farm like Mao?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-56772162722412993452022-05-23T21:13:54.420-04:002022-05-23T21:13:54.420-04:00Forced sterilization of black women was common in ...Forced sterilization of black women was common in the not too distant past, just kbefore the MLK Civil Rights movement. The first priority of white supremacists is controlling white women’s sexuality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72309607324215281692022-05-23T21:09:55.909-04:002022-05-23T21:09:55.909-04:00Democrats are just as bad as Republicans. in some ...Democrats are just as bad as Republicans. in some ways, they are worse. If you haven't noticed, our whole country is terrible. We are a war-mongering, colonialist empire who steals anything we want and ravages and kills anyone who gets in our way. Enjoy your cheeseburger dumbass. You're supporting a colonialist, warmongering, completely debauched and compromised, amoral political party on the basis that the other party is worse without looking at the bigger picture of their combined amorality and viciousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com