tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post9050362206055579090..comments2024-03-29T06:44:19.414-04:00Comments on the daily howler: METAPHORS AND FACTS: From Nerdland, professor responds to Klein!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53218015113960429992014-08-30T00:11:47.973-04:002014-08-30T00:11:47.973-04:00To prevent these shootings, African Americans need...To prevent these shootings, African Americans need to stop insisting that compliance with police orders is optional. Over and over I hear them insisting they have the right to resist. That leads to fatalities because the police are better armed. Resistance comes after compliance, in the form of lawsuits. You cannot stand toe to toe with the police and argue. White people, even teens, seem to understand this. Black people do not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-69421118227634668492014-08-29T22:34:29.555-04:002014-08-29T22:34:29.555-04:00Well then, how about a tribute to a genuine nation...Well then, how about a tribute to a genuine national treasure (no, not Rachel) <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598dZ9hevpg<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgaxYEsEVVYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-4047122277931182722014-08-29T20:03:17.777-04:002014-08-29T20:03:17.777-04:00Because he attacked a police officer.Because he attacked a police officer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66462788387668865042014-08-29T16:19:55.251-04:002014-08-29T16:19:55.251-04:00This is all very interesting, I'm particularl...This is all very interesting, I'm particularly impressed with DinC's concern for what is good for "ordinary black people".<br />In the mean time, a mother just buried her child this week. It would be nice if the authorities responsible would give her the courtesy of an explanation for why she had to do that. mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-82655965711483316162014-08-29T15:51:09.837-04:002014-08-29T15:51:09.837-04:00Anon 1:40, it hinders discussion when it becomes t...Anon 1:40, it hinders discussion when it becomes the goal of a participant to label The Other as racist by any means necessay.<br /><br />In this instance I think Harris-Perry is full of shit. I've considered her a fraud from day one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-52908603865229239172014-08-29T15:35:13.842-04:002014-08-29T15:35:13.842-04:00"White America' thinks the rate of racism..."White America' thinks the rate of racism is zero". That's a pretty broad brush. I think the topic of this thread was M-P, s denial that ANY level of dysfunction exists within the so-called African American community. As in virtually any large "community" self perpetuating problems exist. To deny that means never coming to grips with and solving those problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-77505543961689876832014-08-29T15:24:54.382-04:002014-08-29T15:24:54.382-04:00The first word that comes to mind? Not necessarily...The first word that comes to mind? Not necessarily but live blues is somewhat like sex, it's best when it's raw and sweaty. I don't think having sweat glands is a bad thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-1670283053088774852014-08-29T14:37:41.487-04:002014-08-29T14:37:41.487-04:00Rates of racism have to be exaggerated, when white...Rates of racism have to be exaggerated, when white America thinks the rate of racism is zero.<br /><br />BertoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-53099671378863683352014-08-29T14:30:55.772-04:002014-08-29T14:30:55.772-04:00Revered African American artist Tupac exemplified ...Revered African American artist Tupac exemplified Thug Life. It's a badge of honor and a code to live by in terms of the 'G' lifestyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-30382975771308454042014-08-29T14:26:00.903-04:002014-08-29T14:26:00.903-04:00It's part of her shtick. Every entertainer nee...It's part of her shtick. Every entertainer needs some sort of shtickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-37073987255632782642014-08-29T11:01:14.465-04:002014-08-29T11:01:14.465-04:00There are fewer deaths (black and white combined) ...There are fewer deaths (black and white combined) from police shooting per year than there are accidental poisonings of children under 5 years old. More people are killed while riding bicycles. Ten times as many people die from accidentally choking on their food. Substantially more people die from accidental gun firings. <br /><br />I realize this type of accidental death has a strong effect on the families involved, but considering this a major social problem while ignoring these other forms of death, which also have differing patterns within different demographic groups, is just wrong. <br /><br />The frustrations arising from daily indignities attributed to racism (but most likely experienced by people of all races for different reasons) should not be displaced onto these situations where a death occurs accidentally. It is wrong because it compounds the difficulties faced by police officers who are doing a difficult job serving the public.<br /><br />Next thing, police officers will be required to buy costly malpractice insurance policies, as doctors now do, and their salaries will become inflated to cover those costs, and the quality of policing will decrease placing the public at increased jeopardy, because the families of these teens want a big paycheck to compensate them for a loss that other families must endure without financial compensation.<br /><br />This is an extension of the idea that: "If something bad happens to you in life, someone must compensate you for it."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-20648220388352904282014-08-29T10:43:02.122-04:002014-08-29T10:43:02.122-04:00But hippie-punching (radical centrism) is a vote-g...But hippie-punching (radical centrism) is a vote-getter. Bill Clinton won. Obama won, in part, by being to the right of Hillary Clinton on every domestic policy. <br /><br />Taking the position that a prosecutor should be disqualified because his father was a policeman killed in the line of duty will seem to many people like punishing the victim's children 50 years later. This is the kind of position that is a big vote loser. <br /><br />So it would be nice to see media progressives make their arguments without helping the GOP into office. <br /><br />Trollmesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-60437817053397114292014-08-29T10:40:32.406-04:002014-08-29T10:40:32.406-04:00Today's meme seems to be that black people are...Today's meme seems to be that black people are being shot twice a week, which is more often than white people (based on rate, not absolute numbers). Politifact broke down the numbers and found that if you control for income level, the rates are the same for black and white people and closely track crime rates (rate of committing felonies). So that means race is a minor contributor to being shot by a cop and not the major determinant. The main contributor of race to this situation is that it makes a person more likely to be poor. As I have said before, addressing poverty among African Americans, especially via education, is a place to start stopping these shootings. Others seem to just want to scold white people for being racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-84694122784991163612014-08-29T10:36:32.985-04:002014-08-29T10:36:32.985-04:00@9:53, same lawyer, same tactics with respect to p...@9:53, same lawyer, same tactics with respect to press coverage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48723367667560742642014-08-29T10:16:43.733-04:002014-08-29T10:16:43.733-04:00Yes, exaggerating the racism can benefit family of...Yes, exaggerating the racism can benefit family of the deceased and their lawyer. The Martin family got a settlement of hundreds of thousands of dollars. These exaggerations help race hustlers like Al Sharpton. They help the media by providing a more dramatic story. <br /><br />I would argue that the exaggerations help the Democrats. They can win black votes by promising to protect blacks from the (exaggerated) threats of racism, even when their policies have made life worse for many black Americans.<br /><br />Aside from special groups, I think the exaggerations are not good for ordinary black people. David in Calnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90891977140442241332014-08-29T10:14:18.466-04:002014-08-29T10:14:18.466-04:00I'll say. Leave it to "Media Matters"...I'll say. Leave it to "Media Matters" to point to how quickly the "black-on-black crime" excuse sprang up.<br /><br />http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/18/right-wing-media-push-black-on-black-crime-cana/200467Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75739720834047950062014-08-29T09:55:23.548-04:002014-08-29T09:55:23.548-04:00History is proving she had a point. Just as it is ...History is proving she had a point. Just as it is proving her husband had a point about global warming. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-17767278196582167632014-08-29T09:54:18.304-04:002014-08-29T09:54:18.304-04:00If it is exhausting living it, it must be twice as...If it is exhausting living it, it must be twice as exhausting living it and complaining about it. Imagine thinking no one else has a difficult life and no one else has problems while doing that living and complaining. How does that make someone feel? Better or worse? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-72072195399478617502014-08-29T09:53:55.974-04:002014-08-29T09:53:55.974-04:00Yes, how dare they hire the same lawyer?Yes, how dare they hire the same lawyer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80478696952439415112014-08-29T09:52:18.931-04:002014-08-29T09:52:18.931-04:00This comment doesn't even make sense.This comment doesn't even make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-48521113017977612142014-08-29T09:51:31.212-04:002014-08-29T09:51:31.212-04:00Somerby didn't call it sweaty.Somerby didn't call it sweaty. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-40015988305046839042014-08-29T09:50:45.754-04:002014-08-29T09:50:45.754-04:00Be that as it may.
I turned on Morning Joe earlie...Be that as it may.<br /><br />I turned on Morning Joe earlier this week and who do I see sitting around the table but Mr. Joe Klein. I thought to myself, that's odd, haven't seen his face on the TV in quite a while, I wonder why they invited him. Then it became quickly obvious why the Morning Joe crew had him on, he had written another contrarian Serious hippie punching lecture from his ivory tower. This is of course pleasing to Joe Fucking Scarborough 'cause Joe is so moderate as we know from his vote to impeach the president of the United States over a blow job.<br /><br />But just before they dismissed him, Mr. Klein had to get in one last shot at the lazy stupid selfish teachers and the venal Democratic politicians who are denying the opportunity of attending charter schools to so many poor inner city children. And all the very serious moderate folks sitting around the table nodded their agreement.<br /><br />As I said, Joe Klein, predictable and boring.<br /><br />mmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-71646873142074328822014-08-29T09:50:00.266-04:002014-08-29T09:50:00.266-04:00David, you left out the lawyer for the parents of ...David, you left out the lawyer for the parents of the teen who was shot, who happens to be the same lawyer hired by Trayvon Martin's parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80588765961140594402014-08-29T05:45:13.943-04:002014-08-29T05:45:13.943-04:00Ah, too bad they didn't use the "n" ...Ah, too bad they didn't use the "n" word. You would have seen that as permission to call Michael Brown that as well.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78582734639630886662014-08-29T05:43:25.651-04:002014-08-29T05:43:25.651-04:00The best music that has been gifted to the world f...The best music that has been gifted to the world from the African-American experience is difficult to describe in one adjective. "Sweaty" is not the first one that springs to my mind. I tend to think of it as "imaginative", "creative" and "brilliant."<br /><br />But that's just me. You and Bob go ahead and call it "sweaty."<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com