tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post9153496878213237682..comments2024-03-28T08:51:18.908-04:00Comments on the daily howler: NARRATIVE GRIEVANCE AND ITS DISCONTENTS: The answer seems to be Irvine, CA!<b>bob somerby</b>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02963464534685954436noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89436904782398275432019-05-27T18:47:52.271-04:002019-05-27T18:47:52.271-04:00Hello friends! My Name is Wendy from Canada i have... Hello friends! My Name is Wendy from Canada i have had a lot about Dr AKHERE on his good work, for bringing back lost relationship but i never believe because so many spell caster scam me because of my husband who left me and three kids over a year and two months. so a good friend of mine introduce me to Dr AKHERE just because my condition was so bad and the responsibility in my matrimonia home was more than me. my husband left me to another woman just because i don't have male child for him. so i email Dr AKHERE and told him everything, he told me not to worry that my husband will come back and i will have a male child for him. he only told me to believe on him that after casting the spell my husband will come back immediately and beg for forgiveness. he real did it for me and my husband come back to me in the nest two days. i was very happy and thanks dr AKHERE. so, i was in this situation (April 18 2014) i told Dr AKHERE that i will start shearing his testimony to every one in the word if he make me to have a male child to my husband. and he also did it as am shearing this testimony to every one out dear, that am with my new bouncy baby boy. now i believe that i am the happiest woman on earth because Dr AKHERE restore my life in my matrimonial home you can thank him for me or email him for urgent help in any bad situation i promise you he will also help you; his email address is Email him: AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com or<br />call/whatsapp:+2349057261346<br /> <br />wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09065064096013193909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-75533332899513652052019-05-27T18:47:30.579-04:002019-05-27T18:47:30.579-04:00Hello friends! My Name is Wendy from Canada i have... Hello friends! My Name is Wendy from Canada i have had a lot about Dr AKHERE on his good work, for bringing back lost relationship but i never believe because so many spell caster scam me because of my husband who left me and three kids over a year and two months. so a good friend of mine introduce me to Dr AKHERE just because my condition was so bad and the responsibility in my matrimonia home was more than me. my husband left me to another woman just because i don't have male child for him. so i email Dr AKHERE and told him everything, he told me not to worry that my husband will come back and i will have a male child for him. he only told me to believe on him that after casting the spell my husband will come back immediately and beg for forgiveness. he real did it for me and my husband come back to me in the nest two days. i was very happy and thanks dr AKHERE. so, i was in this situation (April 18 2014) i told Dr AKHERE that i will start shearing his testimony to every one in the word if he make me to have a male child to my husband. and he also did it as am shearing this testimony to every one out dear, that am with my new bouncy baby boy. now i believe that i am the happiest woman on earth because Dr AKHERE restore my life in my matrimonial home you can thank him for me or email him for urgent help in any bad situation i promise you he will also help you; his email address is Email him: AKHERETEMPLE@gmail.com or<br />call/whatsapp:+2349057261346<br /> <br />wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09065064096013193909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-18605197499355740092019-05-24T06:32:10.883-04:002019-05-24T06:32:10.883-04:00Leroy,
Carrying water for Right-wing bigots is &qu...Leroy,<br />Carrying water for Right-wing bigots is "What Somerby is doing."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-8069161917746332682019-05-23T20:52:37.088-04:002019-05-23T20:52:37.088-04:00Good post, 2:56. It would be good for him to speak...Good post, 2:56. It would be good for him to speak of solutions, but that would result in abandoning his schtick. Of all things, that probably is the greatest of his shortcomings. I would like to see him post repeatedly on the issues affecting actual solutions, rather than discouraging statistics relating to bad reporting. <br /><br />It might make for some good reading.<br /><br />LeroyLeroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12985857683973007302019-05-23T20:11:59.644-04:002019-05-23T20:11:59.644-04:0012:18
“To determine those intentions, people used...12:18<br /><br />“To determine those intentions, people used communication. It is no accident that the facial expression most visible from a distance is the smile.”<br /><br />It’s also no coincidence that bearing of the teeth normally has a much more threatening posture in primates, an of order of which we’re a member. At the same time, primates like chimps grin to ingratiate themselves with dominant members of the group, where internecine conflict is common. Smiles today have that same function.<br /><br />“Of course, but it wasn't automatic and it wasn't sufficient to justify evolution of a hatred of others.”<br /><br />That, I believe, has it backwards. Hatred of others is an evolutionary carryover from our ancestors, and it most certainly had (has?) a survival function. And as many media critics have pointed out, including Bob, the msm is doing a smashing job of keeping us divided. Fear of the “others” is all too real, and undoubtedly always lurking in our psyches, but it’s aggravated by a constant flow of bullshit coming from the most widely viewed programs on TV, creating tribal narratives, as Bob says. Alternative media has its place, but the msm seems to have a lock on what most are allowed to see and hear.<br /><br />Anyways, we’re slowly evolving away from our instinctual hatred, due to shared dialogue. But don’t forget what Peter Gabriel wrote:<br /><br />“Fear, she’s the mother of violence.”<br /><br />Doesn’t seem anytime soon that we’ll get away from that fact. Lastly, it seems you’re the ass, since you seem to post here (no way to tell, of course) all the time. Your signature seems to be “Somerby is an ass.”<br /><br />Maybe. But you can’t say he doesn’t stimulate thought. That is, I suppose, “What Somerby is doing.”<br /><br />Leroy<br />Leroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02021120389394278239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-12840315049379966192019-05-23T15:13:47.167-04:002019-05-23T15:13:47.167-04:00'Attempt'? After what happened in Libya, S...'Attempt'? After what happened in Libya, Syria, Honduras, Ukraine, etc. during the administration led by the nobel peace laureate, I should now get all excited about the alleged 'attempts'? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-25634884551318843842019-05-23T15:09:05.155-04:002019-05-23T15:09:05.155-04:00How many such neighborhoods did you live in? Did y...How many such neighborhoods did you live in? Did you engage in crime and let your place run down? Why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-58484141824690496042019-05-23T15:07:07.160-04:002019-05-23T15:07:07.160-04:00There is a great Martin Ritt film called No Down P...There is a great Martin Ritt film called No Down Payment that illustrates white flight and suburban life in the late 1950s. <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Down_PaymentNot a rodenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02216459357112547141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-55214710744757827652019-05-23T14:56:31.974-04:002019-05-23T14:56:31.974-04:00A cynic might say that Somerby deliberately encour...A cynic might say that Somerby deliberately encourages Anons such as 2:33, 2:31, 2:28, and 2:24 by his approach to this topic. He, a self-described “liberal”, provides no historical context for the movement of whites known as “white flight”. He effectively denies racism was any factor when he says there is a paucity of whites “because white families moved away.” This stance effectively ignores the important historical context which helps understand how conditions in urban areas came to be. He thereby allows the interpretations of the aforementioned anons to go unchecked and unexamined. And worse, he shuts off an important avenue to understanding the problems of urban areas, which include the large achievement gaps which he constantly stews over, and thereby limits the possibility of identifying a solution. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-86129256784565291422019-05-23T14:50:09.698-04:002019-05-23T14:50:09.698-04:00I don't see the words diversity or diverse in ...I don't see the words diversity or diverse in the above comment. If you replace enough words in other people's sentences, you can make them say all kinds of things they didn't mean. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-26125983762020896282019-05-23T14:38:23.869-04:002019-05-23T14:38:23.869-04:00C'mon, isn't there something about Howard ...C'mon, isn't there something about Howard Stern that makes you want to pummel him just because of his personality? Do you have to be black to do that? I'll bet he would be a target whatever school he was sent to. I also think his mother's side of things would be very different than what he has described.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-89832745899747724452019-05-23T14:34:44.734-04:002019-05-23T14:34:44.734-04:00Somerby asserts tribalism but hasn't proved it...Somerby asserts tribalism but hasn't proved it. It is very difficult to prove evolutionary arguments, but Somerby doesn't even seriously attempt to provide evidence. It is just his rhetorical conceit.<br /><br />You could as easily assert that it is geographical isolation that produces tribes, as say it is due to human nature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-47423227691746057242019-05-23T14:33:48.583-04:002019-05-23T14:33:48.583-04:00The reasons are obvious. Anyone who's ever li...The reasons are obvious. Anyone who's ever lived in an area that was inundated with blacks knows why. People tend to not want to live in run-down, crime-ridden neighborhoods, and they leave if that's an option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70240436925943292262019-05-23T14:31:27.633-04:002019-05-23T14:31:27.633-04:00Except racism against whites, which they indulge i...Except racism against whites, which they indulge in with great vigor. As a demonstration, read some articles from a liberal rag, and when you see the word "diversity" replace it with "fewer whites," and when you see "diverse" replace it with "non-white."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-80399532908741009062019-05-23T14:30:56.157-04:002019-05-23T14:30:56.157-04:00The number of people who believe the earth is flat...The number of people who believe the earth is flat is negligible, as is their effect on society. Racism and sexism are, by contrast, far more widespread and pernicious. It seems to me that liberals in general do not exaggerate these giant “isms”, certainly not in a period where they are re-asserting themselves with encouragement from our “president.” I would argue conversely that it is Somerby who consistently dismisses well-warranted liberal concerns about such things, especially by adopting right-wing slurs against liberals, whereby any concern with racism or sexism is written off as mere “virtue signaling.”Not 2:05noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-14104609993112252692019-05-23T14:28:20.697-04:002019-05-23T14:28:20.697-04:00Whatever you may think of Howard Stern, it's i...Whatever you may think of Howard Stern, it's instructive to listen to his testimony of his school days. His ideological jewish parents insisted on sending him to the inner city schools much the way Hannah-Jones intended. When he arrived at home after his daily beatings, his mother instructed him that it was all for the greater good.<br /><br />I mean, c'mon. It'd be racist AF not want to have your child pummeled daily by blacks, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-38944079731769238992019-05-23T14:24:13.767-04:002019-05-23T14:24:13.767-04:00Given the obvious human nature of tribalism, it do...Given the obvious human nature of tribalism, it doesn't seem to make a good deal of sense to organize under a one-world government of "diverse" peoples, as the current neoliberal paradigm seems intent on doing. In fact, it seems somewhat doomed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-36350812009323302182019-05-23T14:22:01.542-04:002019-05-23T14:22:01.542-04:00There's a difference between believing that ra...There's a difference between believing that racism, sexism etc. exist (also murderers, arsonists, pederasts, people who think the earth is flat etc) and going off the rails exaggerating it.AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-70895661841573642832019-05-23T14:17:01.745-04:002019-05-23T14:17:01.745-04:00Well that's interesting - Mark Crispin Miller!...Well that's interesting - Mark Crispin Miller! I've read (and own) a couple of his books, Boxed In (explains TV) and The Bush Dyslexicon. In the article he lambasts a Liberian émigré Times Reporter, and the Times, and the Obama/Clinton administration, for being pro-military. But, but , but if you like this type of analysis by Miller, how can you stomach (never mind adulate) our present POTUS, with his huge boost in military spending, possibly impending pardon of war criminals, attempt to overthrow Venezuela and start a war with Iran, jingoism to the max idolization of the military, persecution of Manning and Assange, etc.? AC/MAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-90041932803482478392019-05-23T14:05:05.776-04:002019-05-23T14:05:05.776-04:00Who thinks racism no longer exists? Conservatives ...Who thinks racism no longer exists? Conservatives do.<br />Who thinks sexism no longer exists? Conservatives do.<br />Who thinks affirmative action and school integration are unnecessary? Conservatives do.<br />Who thinks there are laws against wage discrimination, so that problem is solved already? Conservatives do.<br />Who thinks calling out sexism and racism is PC and just hypocritical politically motivated name-calling? Conservatives do.<br /><br />...and Somerby does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-66599080653364470192019-05-23T13:48:33.034-04:002019-05-23T13:48:33.034-04:00Irvine is not as lacking in diversity as Somerby i...Irvine is not as lacking in diversity as Somerby implies. It is 50% White, but that includes 10% Hispanic and a much larger proportion of Persian (Iranian) people. Farsi is the 2nd language spoken, besides English, in the Irvine schools. And it is 45% Asian. The black % is the same as the county as a whole. <br /><br />No one in Irvine is poor. If they were, they couldn't afford to live there, even in the apartments and condos. Orange County generally is outrageously expensive. That may explain the small number of African Americans as much as anything else. Poor Hispanic and Asian people live there in houses bought before the prices increased or by having far more people in a house or apartment than was intended by the builder. Similarly, students and young people live there with parents or by renting out rooms because nothing is affordable anywhere in the county. Black, white and Hispanic people seeking an affordable place to live have moved to various communities in the Inland Empire.<br /><br />Drum's point that white flight spread to OC is correct. But that happened back in the 60s & 70s. By the 80s, the OC was home to refugees from Vietnam in Garden Grove and to increasing numbers of Hispanics spreading from Santa Ana to neighboring cities. After 2000, the housing prices increased dramatically. If you didn't already own a house that you could use to trade up, you were out of luck. So people are not fleeing to OC any more and haven't since before 2000. <br /><br />It would be hard to be a bigot in Orange County. You will constantly encounter people who are diverse, but they will not be black people. Bigots these days seem to be targeting anyone brown. Such a bigot won't be happy in the OC due to the large number of "immigrants."<br /><br />It is unfair for Somerby to imply that Drum himself is bigoted because he doesn't live in Baltimore. I doubt Somerby would feel at home in Woodbridge either.<br /><br />Somerby's analysts suck. They assume that white people cannot be diverse. What asses they are. Don't they know how reviled the Irish once were, despite their whiteness, back when Irish were immigrants, didn't speak English, were poor and huddled in tenements and voted Democratic? Now they are white, since Somerby assumes white means WASP and wealthy ("we're not rich, we're just comfortable").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-44973430658893172152019-05-23T13:35:59.587-04:002019-05-23T13:35:59.587-04:00“This happened here in Baltimore, with many black ...“This happened here in Baltimore, with many black families moving to suburban Baltimore County, whose large school system—the nation's 25th largest—is now 39.4% black, 37.4% white.”<br /><br />This would be a perfect example to drill down into to see what patterns of segregation, if any, exist, given a near equality of black/white, which differentiates it from, say, Laredo, Texas. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-16534483197344375802019-05-23T13:32:08.096-04:002019-05-23T13:32:08.096-04:00"Rather, it was due to the very deliberate, v..."Rather, it was due to the very deliberate, very conscious choice of whites to abandon big city school districts when they became too black and too Hispanic."<br /><br />Your friend Kevin is a dembot, Bob. <br /><br />What middle-class people (of all 'races') consciously choose to abandon is the environment that begins to resemble a ghetto. With all its usual attributes: ghetto drugs, ghetto violence, and general ghetto attitudes, including ghetto attitudes towards education. And that's all there is to it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-62241125340440238632019-05-23T13:24:44.027-04:002019-05-23T13:24:44.027-04:00“These future scholars note the fact that many mid...“These future scholars note the fact that many middle-class black families have moved away from these urban school districts too.”<br /><br />This does nothing to disprove Drum’s claim, which dealt with the reasons why *white* families moved away en masse, a phenomenon which *preceded* the events that Somerby describes here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8611810694571930415.post-78301078382762212392019-05-23T12:37:05.793-04:002019-05-23T12:37:05.793-04:00“why we liberals are now so strongly inclined to r...“why we liberals are now so strongly inclined to reason and speak in the way Drum did.”<br /><br />It was undoubtedly a shock when Somerby discovered that some liberals think and act tribally. In other words, they are human. <br /><br />We would say that Kevin Drum has shown over the years that he is not one of those types of liberals. <br /><br />But the larger fallacy in Somerby’s reasoning is to pretend that those liberals who truly care about ending racism limit themselves to finding and calling out racism only on the other side of the political spectrum. In reality, though, it is not merely “virtue-signaling.” These people know that racism exists across party lines. They call out racism wherever it exists, regardless of the political affiliation of any individual. In other words, they are concerned with ending racism per se, not merely scoring political points. Somerby seems never to want to acknowledge this distinction. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com