Refuses to tell you the truth: This is a very good day to learn an important point.
It’s a good day to see how the liberal world gets played by the likes of Joan Walsh.
Walsh is now paid by MSNBC, a branch of NBC News. Her patron there is Chris Matthews.
Walsh refused to describe his repellent behavior all through the Clinton/Gore years, and then in the years which followed. Today, she is refusing to tell you what her colleague and corporate-mate David Gregory did on yesterday’s Meet the Press.
People, it just isn’t done.
As we noted in this earlier post, Gregory went a million miles out of his way yesterday to ask Rand Paul to comment on Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky. (Hard to believe, but true.)
Reading Walsh, you’d have no idea that Gregory did that. This is the start of her account of what happened:
WALSH (1/27/14): Paul’s performance was most interesting for the window it gave us into his character, as the indulged but slightly dim scion of an eccentric political family whose every utterance, all his life, has been treated as important. At some points in interviews with the freshman senator, including this one, you can see the wheels turning in his head, maybe a little slowly, as he winds up to deliver what he thinks is a political hum-dinger. It’s the oily crazy of Rand Paul being adorably Rand Paul: saying what he thinks is brave and leader-like, but that thing turns out to be simply nutty.From that account, would anyone guess that Paul was almost finished with the interview when Gregory introduced the question of Miss Lewinsky? Reading Walsh, you’re never told how this ridiculous topic came up.
Then the media collectively scrunches its forehead and tries to decide if he’s brave or nutty.
So it was with “Meet the Press” Sunday. Paul obviously set out to say cleverly what Mike Huckabee said stupidly: Republicans aren’t going to take the Democrats’ “war on women” rhetoric lying down, especially if they’re facing a Democratic woman running for president in 2016. You can almost see behind his eyes as he thinks to himself: “I’ve got it: I’ll throw a haymaker at Hillary Clinton for something stupid her husband did almost 20 years ago!”
Joan is paid by NBC News. That means David cannot be said to have done this.
A few paragraphs later, Walsh continues making the argument against Paul, the argument she ought to be making against Gregory. Note the way she directly claims that it was Paul who raised this ridiculous topic:
WALSH: It’s not defending President Clinton’s relationship with Monica Lewinsky to marvel at Paul’s raising it all again. Forget the fact that the issue was litigated 15 years ago, and every time Republicans went at Clinton, his public approval numbers went higher. Also forget that Paul’s claim that “the media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this” is demonstrably false and idiotic. The man was impeached, and an awful lot of mainstream journalists shamed themselves by being stenographers for Kenneth Starr.Exactly! The issue was litigated long ago, with Clinton getting impeached and George Bush reaching the White House in the strength of the backwash, a backwash Walsh refused to oppose. That’s why it was so pathetic when Gregory raised the topic all over again.
But Joan is being paid by NBC now. She will never, ever tell you how yesterday’s nonsense occurred. She knows that if she yells about Paul we'll go home barefoot and happy.
The backlash which sent Bush to the White House was led by Matthews, whose conduct from March 1999 forward was just this side of criminal. Joan refused to oppose him in real time, then spent several years kissing his ring and his keister.
In today’s piece, she reprises the role which made her famous. She refuses to tell you that it was actually Gregory who “raised President Clinton’s relationship with Monica Lewinsky again.”
As in 1999 and 2000, so again today—the horrible Walsh won’t discuss the conduct of the powerful players within her own guild. Simple story:
Mammon is riding high in the saddle. The Walshes won’t tell you the truth.
Things go better with Candy: At one point, Walsh makes a glancing reference to Paul’s appearance with Candy Crowley on yesterday’s State of the Union. This is what she fails to mention:
Miss Lewinksy wasn’t mentioned on yesterday’s State of the Union. David Gregory wasn’t there to bring the topic up.
OMB (Praise the One True One)
ReplyDeleteBravo BOB.
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So when are we permitted hold politicians accountable for the words that come out of their mouths rather than sinister journalists who ask them leading questions?
ReplyDeleteWhere did you get the idea that it was an either-or? You've always been permitted to hold politicians accountable for their words and their deeds.
Delete"Walsh is now paid by MSNBC, a branch of NBC News. Her patron there is Chris Matthews."
Delete>>> its possible mathews put in a good word for her, but its just as likely that he tried to keep her from being hired. my guess is he had no say in the process. mathews is a frontman, not a boss.
Since when are journalists supposed to shill for politicians?
DeleteNot on this blog, deadrat. It's either-or.
DeleteWe very recently had the case where Bob was trying to turn Sokolich into Malala. Thus the un-Malala-like Wildstein "deserves an ass-kicking" quote -- spoke the very same night as the words for which Somerby lavished praise -- did not come from Sokolich's mouth. Rather the wily Chris Hayes put them there through manipulative questioning.
And now we have the wile Gregory putting words in Rand Paul's mouth by asking leading questions.
Black and white thinking is a symptom of mental illness or brain injury.
DeleteI agree. It's not the way I think, but it certainly "seems" to be the way this blog things.
DeleteAnonymous @5:20P,
Delete"Not on this blog" Bravo! You're catching on. Which is more than I can say for the original questioner. As a voter, you're supposed to judge politicians' words. TDH says that as an informed voter, you're also supposed to judge the role the press plays in shaping what you hear. And that's what his blog is about.
Oh, if only "BOB" would favor his commentariat with explanations! He might even say that you should apply the same skepticism to his blog's thesis as you would any other source. Perhaps he would even change his blog to both-and.
Or perhaps he would heed Tweedledumb, our resident neuropsychiatrist, and get help for that mental illness or brain injury. Or maybe it's mental illness and brain injury. It's probably an accurate assessment. After all, we've got that confirming second opinion from Tweedledumber not much more than an hour after the original diagnosis.
Or maybe the blogger could just shut-up and not say anything these folks don't want written on the Internet.
DeleteWouldn't that be a great day in the furtherance of social justice for the poor and downtrodden via these humanitarians!
Afterall, they're all for self-inventory and care nothing for the media, but darn it...here it's being done by a hypocrite.
So onward and upward against the next errant expression. Why, this is their art, it's how they express themselves. In this they've have found their soul's delight.
Some people are actually mentally ill. We wouldn’t rule that out.
Deletehow many thousands of columns are on salon, huff post, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc on the internet?
ReplyDeletewhy single out walshes second hand critique?
Because those other columnists are not engaged in covering up for their colleagues when they further the interests of plutocrats.
DeleteThe trolls here blame Somerby for being repetitive and yet there are still people who don't get the points he keeps making.
Walsh's critique of Paul was not second hand. She aimed for his balls, belittled his brains, and (unacknowledged by BOB) took what could be called a second hand shot at the media herself while letting Ham Rove's dance partner go
Deletewithout a mention.
She was opening herself to a rhetorical sock in the kisser,
BOB delivered.
Once again, way to go BOB!
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gregory presumably brought up the lewinsky matter to help rand paul. walshs column took pauls response and used it to hurt him politically. opposite things. walshes only fault was minor in that that she omitted throwing gregory, her now colleague, under the bus. altogether i'd give her high marks.
Deletesomerby says, "The backlash which sent Bush to the White House was led by Matthews, whose conduct from March 1999 forward was just this side of criminal."
ReplyDelete>>> mathews was then, just as he is now, on a relatively very low rated cable show, seen by an infinitesimally small portion of the public.
further, mathews comes off very strongly as a self centered, rude, id-controlled loudmouth. somerby denigrates the very very few who watched him when he implies that mathews had much influence on them.
An infinitesimally small portion of the public votes. Presumably those more likely to vote would watch a political cable show. So, it is possible to have a disproportionate influence on an election, even on such a show. When different mouthpieces start saying the same things, as they have done, then the effect is multiplied.
DeleteMatthews back then had great influence on other media meisters. He'd get the tone going.
DeletePoor Monica Lewinsky. There should be some statute of limitations on how long they can use her to promote their careers. I hope she's happy wherever she is. Don't look for her! I don't care where she is! Just let her alone.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking forward to Rand Paul running for president, though. I watched the debates in his senate race (I have an interest in commerce clause jurisprudence, which is what those debates were "about"). Rand Paul is not very bright, which will become clear as this goes on. Whether that means he loses is anyone's guess, he won his senate race after all, although his opponent was sharp as a tack. The truth is Paul's just not very smart. Watch the Kentucky Senate debates.
The California Supreme Court today declined to permit Stephen Glass, the journalist who fabricated articles for The New Republic and other magazines, to practice law in California, despite passing the bar exam. They said:
ReplyDelete"Given our duty to protect the public and maintain the integrity and high standards of the profession, our focus is on the applicant's moral fitness to practice law."
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stephen-glass-ruling-20140127,0,3659758.story#ixzz2rdsH3QaG
It would be nice if journalism had a similar concern for its duty to the public. If Glass's efforts had been fact checked and if there had been consequences for him at the very beginning of his career, perhaps he wouldn't find himself in today's situation. Certainly the public wouldn't have been misled by what he wrote. So, Somerby's complaints here do matter and calling them some sort of an obsession strikes me as grossly offensive.
Yeah, too bad "journalism" didn't convict Glass before he committed his crimes.Surely someone knew what he was about to do.
DeleteDuring would have been fine. After 40 articles is ridiculous.
DeleteI wouldn't compare Walsh's effort here to Glass. He invented things out of whole cloth. Walsh omitted things
Deleteto futher her meme. Others do that as well. For example....
It is a matter of degree not kind.
DeleteNot one, but two posts based on the how poor little Rand Paul couldn't possibly be expected to give a classy response to an obnoxious question from David Gregory and how that mean old Joan Walsh won't give him a break for it. You have to wonder if Bob even remembers that Walsh did indeed once call out Matthews, and was praised by the Daily Howler for dong so. Once is never enough, I suppose. Generally speaking, it's a good idea to avoid people who expect others to carry their grudges for them, it's quite enough to carry one's own.
ReplyDeleteFor better or worse, this exchange is a preview of what is to come when Clinton runs, and both Gregory and Paul are testing the waters. Will they attempt to build a legitimate critique of Clinton's failures (tough for a Republican) or go to the sleaze? Both are fraught with peril. They will be running against the first viable female candidate for the Presidency in U.S. History, and even though they are a party of bores, chumps, and liars, you can't envy them their task. Early indications are they will just go nuts, like David Brooks insisting the Dems will go with Jerry Brown.
No more nuts, though, than The Daily Howler, who has spent years now insisting the left is just as bad as the right. If Republicans go all 2000 on our butts, Bob will have to be confronted with who really did the lying, stealing and cheating. That would be The Republican Party, a grotesque parody with nothing to offer most voters. And The Daily Howler may just go insane.
But Greg. Rand Paul is a mere member of the U.S. Senate and the son of a politician who served 13 years in the House and ran for president three times.
DeleteHow could he possibly foresee an obnoxious question?
I don't get your point. Do you think that hackish tribalism serves progressive interests or not?
DeleteDo you mean do I think Joan Walsh damages or helps the left? Or Democratic blow hards in general? Who can say what the overall impact for is sure… We can note that Bob's rather pious take on civility, in terms of help and damage, seemed to be largely incorrect in the last election. He belittled the 48 percent flap, and said Obama shouldn't try to exploit it. And he didn't, until this became largely apparent that this was a completely stupid thing to do, and Obama reversed himself and started climbing in the polls again. Now, these very classed based issues seem a major part of his goals for the second term! Yet Bob thought working Americans should just shut up and take Mitt's abuse, otherwise we might make him feel bad. So, I guess it depends on what your definition of "hackish tribalism" is. I do think I can absorb the abusing of a creep like Rand Paul and hang onto my soul.
DeleteI didn't read Bob's post as expressing sympathy for Rand Paul. Rather, I thought his sympathy was for viewers who were ill-served by David Gregory's stupid question. MTP under Tim Russert was run at an adult level about important issues and with decent probing questions for guests of either party. It's a pity that Gregory didn't maintain that standard.
DeleteGreg,
DeleteHave you taken inflation into account when you talk about the "48 percent flap"? I assume you mean Romney's candid talk to his donors about the 47% of people who wouldn't support him because they're "takers." I've gone back and done a cursory search of TDH, and I can't find where TDH "belittled" the incident or suggested "working Americans" should take such abuse. Here's what he said one day after the video was released:
<quote src="TDH" date="10/19/12">
Mitt Romney made some unfortunate remarks about the 47 percent of adults who don’t pay federal income tax. Politically, that is a dangerous fact if it isn’t explained with great skill and great care.
</quote>
Most of his subsequent blog entries on the topic take journalists and other talking heads to task for not taking proper care with the statistic.
Yes David in Cal. Gregory is really failing the Russert legacy. We all recall the dignified question Russert asked Dennis Kucinich about whacko Shirley MacLaine's book during a Presidential debate, Here is how Somerby described it in November 2007.
Delete"And of course, the requisite mocking of Dennis Kucinich, who “revealed” his (irrelevant, 25-year-old) experience when he was asked about it, by consummate pool boy Tim Russert. Russert wasted time with this for one reason only: It was a great way to ridicule Dennis. And when you front a multimillionaire press corps, mocking a guy like Dennis Kucinich is just good solid clean fun."
All praise to the consummate pool boy, RIP.
Deadrat, you make my point for me. It's really Mitt he let's off the hook with his tender loving carefully. You will also find a quote where he says "personally, I think the outrage is overdone." He continued to apologize for Romney (in the manner you present) as Mitt A) Swore by the quote, and B) went on Fox News and said he didn't really mean it and it was terrible (when he saw it was killing him in the poles), Bob thought his and Fox's behavior was just fine. Same goes for the OUTRAGE in making an issue out of Mitt's non discloser of his Tax Returns (a reflection, really, of the national issue of Citizen's United) because, in the past, not everybody had disclosed them. Bottom Line: About the only chance Romney had of winning that election was if Obama made Bob Somerby's his campaign manager. Anon at 11:29, the examples of Little Russ doing what he did to become a favorite of David in Ca are stacked high in the archives, but maybe David came to the blog in The Howler's "Born Again" sop-for-the-"Sensible"-right years. Can we talk? This "pure politics" question was probably brokered before hand and Paul couldn't have been happier to field it. What makes Bob mad these days is when Conservatives display who they are, because it gives liberals a chance to (often stupidly) make fun of them.
DeleteAnd here is a key part of the remark that Bob quickly termed as "unfortunate."
Delete"And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Anon. @ 10:04 and Greg
DeleteConsidering deadrat's most recent meander through those incomparable archives rearding Weapons of Mass Destruction, it is a wonder he didn't take off his rainbow colored glasses while looking for the unicorns of comment to present of Somerby's.
Instead he chose to pick something resembling a progressive comment. As with WMD, the selection he presents on the 47% was part of a warning that liberals did not know how to respond to Romneys coimment that 47% paid no income tax and therefore were "takers." He posted about that a number of times. It was similar to his prediction that unnamed liberals, or were they antiwar types, who "crowed" over the early failure to find WMD in Iraq were headed for a fall because Somerby would be "surprised" if they were not there.
Somerby in effect never seemed realize the really damaging part of Romney's fundraiser statement, which thanks to Anon. we get reminded was the boneheaded part of his remarks. He focused, anally, on how to talk about who does and does not pay taxes.
KZ
We must hasten to add the commentary above should in no way be construed as diminishing praise for this post.
DeleteWhile not perfect, it's pretty palatable. Unfortunately while researched said archives I came across yet another BOB reference to my home as Planet Zarkon.
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-washington-post-visits-club-47.html
Zarkon is no more a planet than Hillary is, BOB. Zarkon is from Doom. Hillary is from Arkansas. Or Illinois. Or New York. Pitiful wandering Earthling unable to drive herself in her travels.
KZ
KZ,
DeleteThis is borderline incoherent even in the schizoid parallel universe you claim as home.
TDH didn't predict anything about premature claims of absent WMDs. It was a warning: one month isn't long enough. This is in the context of criticizing Judith Miller's "scoop" about evidence for WMDs and praise for her "reporting."
Maybe you can read minds back home, but here in this universe, I don't see how you know that TDH didn't realize "the really damaging part" of Historical Footnote's screed. He warned that the 47% talking point had to be defused with facts, not bloviation.
Greg,
DeleteDid Romney's 47% statement really kill him with the Poles? Wikipedia says that Obama took the majority of the Polish-American vote in 2008, but I can't find 2012 figures.
Sorry. Sometimes I even annoy myself.
The google finds only your comment with the sentence "personally, I think the outrage is overdone." Could you give me the date that TDH said it?
While you're at it, when did TDH apologize to Romney? I didn't present anything that looked like an apology.
When did TDH express the opinion that "his [presumably Romney's] and Fox's behavior was just fine"?
The google finds four pages of results for "tax returns" at site:dailyhowler.blogspot.com; I looked at them all. Ignoring the false drops, they were all -- natch! -- about how the press covered the issue, which was poorly. What's so hard about understanding what this blog is all about?
Here's TDH's own take on the issue:
<quote src="TDH" date="7/20/12">
For what it’s worth, we don’t hugely care about Romney’s tax returns. We agree with one thing the hopeful has said: We already have enough information about his money to demonstrate the disgraceful role he plays in our growing plutocracy.
</quote>
Does that sound like an apology to you?
deadrat. So sorry I missed your reply:
Delete"Here at THE HOWLER, we’ve never doubted that Saddam had WMDs. In fact, we’d be surprised if he didn’t. We think antiwar types set themselves up for a fall when they crow about the lack of quick discovery." Somerby, Oct. 2003
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ptdennis@hotmail.com pdennis@mailworks.org, Bob, I hate to overreact but I am having "women leave me alone" issues, but I will have to read past "Joan Walsh wont tell you about" OK ... I am sick of that. We know that and even I was lost news wise Gore/Bush 2000. I just think it gets old to say no one will admit ... we were wrong then. We know ... they won't. I try to login. Well, it aint easy.
ReplyDeleteptdennis@hotmail.com pdennis@mailworks.org ... nothing new about calling out coworkers. Guess what ? I hate my boss and it is published and my boss says you are fired. Well, why should I be surprised. Of course, I hate Press the Meat and the SAGE of cap hill, Luke "no talent" Russert. I understand, it should all be better.
ReplyDeletePerhaps Joan and Rand can form a joint venture to help black kids.
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I had forgotten about Bob's "brilliant" analysis of about a year ago in which he stated that we are living in a truly post-racial society because he actually saw a black guy wearing a Joe Flacco jersey in Baltimore, and Flacco is a white guy.
DeleteChris Hayes had the "thug" from Legion of Boom, Richard Sherman on his program last night, speaking of football and post-racialism.
DeleteI noticed he failed to take Chris's bait and label the white lineman from the Dolphins, Richie Incognito, a "thug," or even suggest there was racial disparity in the fact said footballer was not so labelled nearly as much as he was.
Let us hail Richard Sherman. Malala must have visited his locker room.
Anon, really degenerate stuff you write. Sorry I glanced at it.
DeleteHow many Anon do you see? You do know our intellectual culture is broken. Not many see that.
DeleteAnonymous @7:37A,
DeleteWas that TDH's 1/23/13 entry in which he stated that we are living in a truly post-racial society by writing "We have a long way to go before our wider society is 'post-racial'"?
Sorry to see Rachel took a pass on Paul but O'Brien followed Walsh's lead. Guess that means part 2 is coming after all.
ReplyDeleteLet's see if Morning Joke's comments on the topic merit a mention.
DeleteYeah, but she's really looking good with her new makerover.
ReplyDeleteWho, Joan? Well as Joan once said, Chris Matthews likes his women pretty and his men manly.
DeleteBreaking News! Where is Nostradamus.
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What the odds the Howler covers this. Which journo/talking head's silence will first be mentioned? Zernike? Maddow?
You pick 'em.
Rewatching "Game Change" on HBO Asia, I realized why Bob likes to mock Maddow's tendency to preface names of people and states with "the great..." -- Sarah Palin did it first, and he and his sock puppets never got the joke. LOL
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