Supplemental: Egan mocks the other side!

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2014

The plutocrats cheer when that happens:
Do you know what the word “confit” means?

Neither do we, and we just looked it up! More precisely, we don’t know what “confit” means as used at the start of Timothy Egan’s column in today’s New York Times.

Even after looking it up, we don’t understand the columnist’s use of “confit.” Then again, that seems to fit. His column strikes us as a good example of a counterproductive type of liberal condescension.

Below, you see the way he starts, headline included.
Egan simply can’t explain “the confit of conventional wisdom showing that voters are poised to give Republicans control of the Senate” and a larger majority in the House:
EGAN (10/9/14): Why Do We Re-Elect Them?

When you buy a new car, you dodge the sketchy salesman, read up on consumer ratings, get a feel for the ride. When you get married, you think about growing old with a person, love beyond lust, do a life gut check. And when you elect a federal lawmaker next month, you go against everything you believe in to reward the worst Congress ever.

How else to explain the confit of conventional wisdom showing that voters are poised to give Republicans control of the Senate, and increase their hold on the House, even though a majority of Americans oppose nearly everything the G.O.P. stands for?

The message is: We hate you for your inaction, your partisanship, your nut-job conspiracy theories; now do more of the same. Democracy—nobody ever said it made sense.
To us, this is a classic type of column, in which we liberals tell the rest of the world that their conduct and their beliefs simply don’t make any sense. Full freaking stop!

Our view? If you’re going to tell the voters that their conduct doesn’t make sense, you need to start with your own ducks in a row. And in our view, Egan’s opening passage just isn’t especially sharp.

For the sake of argument, let’s assume that a majority of Americans really do “oppose nearly everything the G.O.P. stands for.” In that circumstance, why would polls suggest that the GOP is going to gain seats in the House and the Senate?

Duh! Everyone knows some of the possible answers—everyone except the guy who says that everyone else doesn’t make sense:
Possible answers:
Republican turnout tends to be higher, especially in midterm elections
This year’s Senate elections are mainly in red states
For various reasons, a sitting president’s party tends to lose House seats in sixth-year elections
Everybody knows these things, except the liberal who is so sure that the other tribe isn’t real smart.

Egan devotes the rest of his column to describing the dumbness of Republican voters, along with the voters in general. This is an easy case to make; it just isn’t especially productive.

He rolls his eyes at the GOP as “the science-denial party.” He tsks at the fact that a Pew survey “found that 36 percent of Republicans believe the Democratic Party is a threat to the nation’s well-being,” failing to note that 27 percent of Democrats said the said thing about the GOP.

He rolls his eyes at Republican views on the minimum wage, noting that the Republican leadership won’t let this come up for a vote. He even scolds Republican voters—actually, voters in general!—on this pitiful basis:
EGAN: The biggest issue is the economy. But here, it seems many voters don’t know what to believe, and what they do believe is wrong. What’s the unemployment rate? A poll this month found that 27 percent of people pegged the jobless rate at 9 percent, and nearly one in five said it was closer to 12 percent. The rate is 5.9 percent.
Many voters can’t state the precise unemployment rate? Yay, let’s have a condescending liberal roll his eyes at us for it! Meanwhile, does Egan know what many Fox viewers know—that there is a lot of disagreement about the “actual” rate of unemployment? That many people think the official rate substantially understates the reality?

As Egan continues, he continues to mock “voters” more for our stupid-asp views on the economy. To us, this passage doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense:
EGAN (continuing directly): On Obama’s watch, the stock market went on a record run and 10 million new jobs have been created—more new jobs than in Europe and Japan combined. The president gets no credit for this, because people don’t feel it. Wages are flat. Economic anxiety rides the October air.
Wages are flat, Egan notes. But so what? In the realm of King Timothy, we the voters are supposed to feel good about Obama because folk in Japan have it worse!

From beginning to end, this column struck us as vintage liberal condescension, of the type that makes it hard for liberals to win. In our view, many GOP voters do believe various things we regard as untrue. So what do we plan to do about it? Make them leave the country?

Alas! Republican voters are constantly being fed disinformation by famous people they’re unlucky enough to trust. People like Egan won’t use their platforms to look for ways to help voters understand this. We liberals suffer a similar unlucky fate when we unwisely follow the lead of intellectual leaders like Egan.

Tribalism makes us want to deride the other tribe. People like Egan scratch the itch. Scratching the itch feels good!

That said, the plutocrats love it when this occurs. “Divide and conquer” has always been the plutocrat’s fondest refrain.

Egan is mocking The Others today. The plutocrats cheer when that happens.

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  2. It's interesting that conservatives believe that the majority of the public agrees more with their side. They point to gun control, illegal immigration, and Obamacare as issues where the majority supports their position.

    Conservatives claim that Dems win elections because the mainstream media tilt their way. I don't know whether this claim is correct. I think it's objectively true that a large majority of the media are liberals. Whether their liberalism affects their reporting is not objectively provable, nor is there an objective way to prove how much impact such (allegedly) biased reporting has on the voters.

    I personally agree with the conservative position. However, in order to prove it, one would have to decide objectively which issues are truly important and what the real truth is. IMHO it's almost impossible to make these judgments objectively. E.g., I think the media is helping the Dems by giving too little coverage to the IRS scandal. However, if you believe that this scandal isn't important, then you will judge the media's amount of coverage as proper.

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    1. Well, they certainly let that White House staffer who was an unpaid volunteer get away with a roomful of hookers during Cartagenagate.

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    2. "The IRS scandal." Yeah, that's the one.

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    3. ... it's almost impossible to make these judgments objectively

      But it's certainly possible for you to make these judgments without knowing anything. As I explained last time this came up, there is no "IRS scandal." 503(c)(4) groups do not need IRS certification to operate as tax-exempt organizations, so no teahadist money-laundering organizations were harmed in the delay of the approval of their applications. Remember?

      If not, why not? And if so, why are you back here with this bullshit?

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    4. Yes, deadrat, from your POV, there is no IRS scandal. That's what subjective means. From my POV, there is a scandal, because

      -- the IRS intentionally set out to treat conservatives more harshly
      -- Lois Lerner took the 5th. She will testify only if given a promise not to prosecute. Her position indicates that she has something to hide, something that may be criminal.
      -- Hard drives of Lerner's computer suspiciously crashed. No attempt was made to recreate the data on her drive. No backup was kept. The same thing happened to the hard drives of several other key IRS witnesses.
      -- It appears that Obama critics have a higher likelihood of being audited.

      For these reasons, deadrat, I think it is a genuine scandal. However, that's only my subjective opinion. YMMV.

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    5. David, the problem with your "scandal" is that nothing (yet) has been proven, therefore you are left to "believe" that something wrong was done. In the same way, you can believe in unicorns, but that does not make them exist. You can easily invent an infinite number of Obama "scandals" without any need for evidence, in your way of looking at things. A true scandal requires proven misdeeds.

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    6. I think the corporate mainstream media are extremely careerist, timid, pro-corporation and pro-rich when it cimes to economic and trade issues. After all, the plutocrats care about those issues because they involve lots of money and the media dare not enrage the right-wing plutocrats. The media keep all discussion of those issues within narrowly circumscribed bounds. They can afford to be a little more liberal on social issues. I can't understand how the IRS deal is a scandal at all. The IRS used key phrases to try and identify liberal, moderate and right-wing groups which may not have qualified for tax exempt status. If the IRS was looking across the entire political spectrum where's the scandal? The true scandal is that any of these ersatz, BS "social welfare" organizations are given tax exempt status, but that's another argument.

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    7. For you, DAinCA, there's no such thing as an objective judgment because you live entirely in the world of your own opinion, and you can't imagine anyone else doing otherwise.

      Let's even assume that the IRS treated teahadist money-laundering organizations more harshly, i.e, they delayed approving their applications for tax-exempt status. (There's little evidence for this, by the way, and some evidence against it, but never mind.)

      In the real world, where people with the will and the ability can examine actual facts, the IRS actions could have made no difference to the 503(c)(4) organizations. Why don't you understand this? I've explained it to you several times. Unlike actual charities (so-called 501(c)(3) organizations), a 503(c)(4) doesn't need an IRS certification to operate as tax-exempt, and since their political activities aren't tax deductible in any case, the certification can't matter to their donors.

      Even if the IRS shredded every teahadist application as soon as it arrived, the operation of those teahadists wouldn't have been affected. That's why it's not a scandal.

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    8. deadrat, do you remember Nixon's Enemies List? These were political adversaries who he wanted the IRS to audit. These audits never took place, so nobody was affected. Nevertheless, that Enemies List was considered a scandal, and rightly so IMHO.

      The IRS has enormous power. Any hint that this power might be abused for political purposes is a big deal IMHO.

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    9. DAinCA, Nixon tried to suborn the illegal use of the IRS. That's why it was a scandal. If you wish to present evidence that Obama did the same thing, I will look at it. Anecdotal evidence from clowns who got audited won't do it for me, though.

      There is no scandal involving teahadist 503(c)(4) organizations because none of them (or any other applicant, for that matter) was in jeopardy of losing its scope of political action because the IRS tried to determine whether they were obeying the law.

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    10. "The moon is made of cheese."

      "What? That's ridiculous."

      "No it isn't. Look at it. It's round and off-white. It looks like a wheel of camembert. Or, when the light is right, maybe a nice wheel of brie. My wife loves brie, as she learned all cultured people must, so I know what it looks like."

      "The moon isn't made of cheese, you ignorant ass. They've sent people there, who have actually brought samples of it back. And it isn't cheese"

      "Really? I did not know that."

      Two weeks later:

      "IMHO, the moon is made of cheese. Why won't anyone talk about that?"

      "We've had this discussion before. The moon isn't made of cheese."

      "Just because you think it isn't doesn't mean anything. IMHO, it's a scandal that no one will talk about the fact that the moon is made of cheese."

      Pretty much every discussion anyone has ever had with this shit eating-clown has gone just like this. For years. Yet you people continue indulging his trolling.

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  3. OMB (Aristotle Chuckles with the OTB at his Silly Fans)

    "Do you know what the word confit means?"

    Could it be BOB bull cooked in its own grease and stored in the archives for a few months or perhaps in another dark, moist place where the mind that cooked it up often resides?

    "Many voters can’t state the precise unemployment rate? Yay, let’s have a condescending liberal roll his eyes at us for it!" BOB today

    BOB, last July 14

    "Here at THE HOWLER, we were struck by the results of the (Pew)pop quiz.... a nation of rational animals provided these answers to Pew:

    Answers to factual question from Pew:
    Just as far as you know, which political party has a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives?
    Republican Party: 58 percent
    Democratic Party: 30 percent
    Don’t know: 12 percent
    How many people actually knew the answer to that question? Ultimately, there’s no way to tell, since guessing was allowed....

    That said, a smaller number—54 percent—correctly said that the Democratic Party was in the majority in the Senate. And here we reach our most telling statistic:

    According to Pew, “just 40% of Americans” answered both these questions correctly. On that basis, we’ll take a guess:

    We’ll guess that roughly one-third of American adults could truly be said to know the answers to those basic factual questions. This sets the framework for the anthropology lessons we’ll be performing all week right here at The Chuckle Hut.

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    That said, those basic results to that Pew pop quiz give the lie to a great deal of posturing which can be seen all through the American press:

    As it turns out, the American people aren’t pretty sharp when it comes to basic political knowledge! Despite this rather obvious fact, American journalists routinely insist that the American people are pretty sharp."

    Except, of course, when they don't routinely insist, and when they don't, BOB throws some bull in the grease over that.

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    1. Ah yes, the great paradox of Bobdom.

      It is great insight when Bob says, "We, the people are dumb."

      It is a condescending insult when one of his media targets du jour says it.

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    2. So, do you agree with Bob that the people are dumb or not? Do you agree with Bob that it is counterproductive to call people dumb? If pundits call people dumb, should we just ignore it, or only if Bob says it? What exactly is your point?

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  4. What a stinky little true you are.

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    1. Are you the guy who called Larry O'D a poopyhead a post or two back when Somerby pulled the curtain on his
      blarney? Or something?

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    2. Auto-correct. I meant to say turd. I have used Help and turned it off now. Wish there were a way to turn KZ off too.

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    3. What a profound second waif you are.

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  5. The U-6, which is based on actual interest in a job among people who do not have one -- or in a full-time job instead of a crappy part-time job -- is probably a better measure of real unemployment than the U-3, which applies an arbitrary cut-off point to whether someone is considered to be in the labor force or not. And guess what: the U-6 just dropped (barely) below 12%. Egan probably has never heard of the U-6. Neither have the people who picked 12%, but their instincts are a lot better.

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  6. Bob made a funny: he started out talking about confit, then mentioned ducks. Maybe one of those subconscious things that happen.

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    1. A feather in your cap for keen observation.

      We do not buy the notion of subconcious in the works of Mr. S. It struck us as is a statement carefully crafted to suggest that the liberal leader Egan is, like John Kerry,
      incurably French or, at least condescendingly francophilic.

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    2. This discussion is heading south, so I'm going to, if I may say so, duck out of it, as I'm pressed to find a response that won't make it seem like I'm taking a dive. At least my original post gets first billing.

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  7. Deadrat -- this is for you. It is a bit rambling but it illustrates why we need to push back against trolling and why it is not something that can just be ignored and it will go away -- or is not that big a problem because the internet is not real life or because free speech of trolls is a higher value than protecting the speech of those who are harassed by them. Free speech misused to hurt others can and should be considered unacceptable behavior when it crosses the line, as described in this article.

    http://www.wired.com/2014/10/trolls-will-always-win/

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    1. Thanks for the link. I read the article, but all it did was make me realize that "troll" has become a far too elastic term. Originally, a troll was a poster who took extreme positions on an online forum in such a way to inflame passions about the theme of the forum. And for no other purpose.

      On TDH, the term troll has been expanded to include those who post to denigrate Bob Somerby while either not addressing the topics of an entry or deliberately missing the point of the entry in particular or of the blog in general.

      This is a far cry from the trolls found at wired.com. These trolls employ doxxing, swatting, threats, defamation, cyberstalking, and false accusations. (As well as other harmful things like posting flickering images to epilepsy-related sites.)

      These kind of trolls can be dangerous and are best not ignored. Our tolls are different and can be.

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    2. Our trolls are harmless until they're not. This a continuum of behavior and I doubt anyone knows whether trolls start out harmless and it escalates or bad behavior is done by categorically different trolls. There was bad stuff happening on political blogs during the primary wars of 2008.

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  8. I have no doubt Egan stumbled upon "confit" while looking up the trendy and overused "conflate" in a print dictionary. That is the beautiful thing about paging through a book of definitions and other works of reference -- unexpected learning. And that is the tragedy of online and computer dictionaries that go directly to the word you're seeking: you never get a chance to see any of your target words' interesting neighbors. The same is true for internet research in general. You miss the fortuitous (discovered while looking up "fortissimo") discoveries that can occur while rummaging through stacks of printed library books & journals. The internet is evil and making dummies of us all.
    I imagine similar results arise from computer dating, match.com, e-harmony.com, and the like. What's all this nonsense about soulmates? Who says someone just like you in every respect is the perfect match for you? Boring! Anyone who's looked around can see that with a little luck and guts a guy can get out there and find a woman who's way out of his league.

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  9. It's very hard for me to understand two things at once!

    So, it's Bad, according to Somerby, when pundits pretend the public is so clever they usually see through things.

    And, it's Bad, according to Somerby, when pundits condescend to the public by pretending there's no reason for them to act the uninformed way they do.

    Yup, no way to reconcile those two ideas! Anyone suggesting that must be a hypocrite!!

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    1. The world is not all black and white and it is unproductive for people to claim that it is. Simple enough?

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  10. I knew what "confit" means from watching "Chopped."

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  11. I know what "confit" means from watching "Chopped."

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  12. A major reason that people vote against their own interests and actual preferences on an issue basis is racism - whites oppose anything going to blacks or Latinos and they oppose a black President. What should liberals do about this? Bob seems to think they shouldn't say anything - it's apparently not constructive to complain about this and point the finger at racism. Maybe it is - maybe this just antagonizes people. But what should be done? I haven't seen any constructive suggestions from Bob.

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    1. You mean some whites, right? Single issue voting of any kind produces bad results for voters, in my opinion. For example, I find it frustrating that some progressives overlook a bunch of solid accomplishments because of one "wrong" vote. That's what the tea partiers do and what liberals are now proposing on the left. Big mistake! We'll wind up with the same problem finding candidates who can get past primaries and still win a general election that the right is facing.

      With Obama, racism wasn't the problem, he was. There were legitimate criticisms of his candidacy but anyone expressing them was called racist. You are right that that entrenches opposition and makes people stop listening. I am wondering how we will get past the sexism aimed at Hillary.

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  18. How do you see spell casting? As a fake thing, as a story or maybe as an ideal part of an imagination?Before you finally conculde on how you see or what you thing i will advice that you conduct a research and i mean a good research on spell casting and its history then maybe then you will finally come to know the true power of spell casting that we all underrate.I once had and shared this logical believe before fate fate and my marriage problem made me realize that spell casting is as real as a baby coming out of vagina.In the sense that as impossible as it may seem to you there is a 90% certainty that it works and works well.But you should know there are some fake among the real and honest ones.I was so fortunate to meet a real and honest one just as i thought to give spell casting a shot.H is all over every blogging page and broken relationship sites SHAKES SPEAR. SHAKES SPEAR IS ONE OF THE GREATEST THERE IS.I am not just trying to make you fell like you must contact him , is only trying to express how excellent is work is.Trust me i experienced it first hand.Having a sex addicted as a husband is worse than having a cheating husband.Knowing that he loves you with all hes got but can help but can to cheat on you.I know some will rather suggest a rehab , but just to clear the air he checked into rehab four times and was discharged with a report saying he was well but really outside rehab he was back to being an addict of sex.I hated to see that my husband never stopped loving me but couldn't help but but to cheat on me.W had four kids two teens and two other young one age five and seven.It will be ugly to know that there father i a sex addict that can't help but to cheat on me and still dear to say he love me.Only understood but it as all the same tearing my home down just thing about my husband making love to random women that is not me.We could even had gotten infected with some deadly S.T.D or S.T.I i was ready to live him and take my children along with me.But living the man i love just cos he had a problem was coming to hunt me for he rest of my life so by miracle or by fate rather i read about SHAKES SPEAR on the internet.I read about like ten article about how he saved so many people marriages and relationships though my case was different i just felt like he can help me.I just had to let all my thought about spell casting go and i brought myself to contact him.It cos of SHAKES SPEAR my husband is back to how i and even himself want him to be i mean making love to no other woman but me.I just need some material that he asked me to bring to cast the spell.Believe me it will be better for you to ask him to get the materials for you off course with the money you will be sending cos looking for it yourself will be a total waste of time resources and even energy.you should know you must trust him.What ever he ask you to bring just provide it cos his reason are are true. At a time i felt like he was trying to me extort me but i turned out that i was wrong he made understand he was only trying to help complete the worked i asked him to help me do.All thank to the spell prepared by SHAKES SPEAR it save my marriage and family.I will live his email address here for you to contact him for help of any sort.shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com..... ONCE AGAIN HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS: shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

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  19. My Name is QUEEN.I will love to share my testimony to all the people in the forum cos i never thought i will have my girlfriend back and she means so much to me..The girl i want to get marry to left me 4 weeks to our wedding for another man..,When i called her she never picked my calls,She deleted me on her facebook and she changed her facebook status from married to Single...when i went to her to her place of work she told her boss she never want to see me..I lost my job as a result of this cos i cant get myself anymore,my life was upside down and everything did not go smooth with my life...I tried all i could do to have her back to all did not work out until i met a Man when i Travel to Africa to execute some business have been developing some years back..I told him my problem and all have passed through in getting her back and how i lost my job...he told me he gonna help me...i don't believe that in the first place.but he swore he will help me out and he told me the reason why my girlfriend left me and also told me some hidden secrets.i was amazed when i heard that from him..he said he will cast a spell for me and i will see the results in the next couple of days..then i travel back to US the following day and i called him when i got home and he said he's busy casting those spells and he has bought all the materials needed for the spells,he said am gonna see positive results in the next 2 days that is Thursday...My girlfriend called me at exactly 12:35pm on Thursday and apologies for all she had done ..she said,she never knew what she's doing and her sudden behavior was not intentional and she promised not to do that again.it was like am dreaming when i heard that from her and when we ended the call,i called the man and told him my wife called and he said i haven't seen anything yet... he said i will also get my job back in 3 days time..and when its Sunday,they called me at my place of work that i should resume working on Monday and they gonna compensate me for the time limit have spent at home without working..My life is back into shape,i have my girlfriend back and we are happily married now with kids and i have my job back too.This man is really powerful..if we have up to 20 people like him in the world,the world would have been a better place..he has also helped many of my friends to solve many problems and they are all happy now..Am posting this to the forum for anybody that is interested in meeting the man for help.you can mail him to shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com I cant give out his number cos he told me he don't want to be disturbed by many people across the world..he said his email is okay and he' will replied to any emails asap..hope he helped u out too..good luck:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com.ONCE AGAIN HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS: shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

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  20. My Name is ADAEZE..I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when i went to Africa to Execute some business..He is really powerful..My wife divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have her back cos i really love her so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and she woke up one morning and she told me she’s going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when she came back from work she tender to me a divorce letter and she packed all her loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have her back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years…So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and her picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos h ave tried so many spell casters and there is no solution…so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that she’s with a man and that man is the reason why she left me…The spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring her back.but i never believe all this…he told me i will see a positive result within 3 days..3 days later,she called me herself and came to me apologizing and she told me she will come back to me..I cant believe this,it was like a dream cos i never believe this will work out after trying many spell casters and there is no solution..The spell caster is so powerful and after that he helped me with a pregnancy spell and my wife got pregnant a month later..we are now happy been together again and with lovely kid..This spell caster has really changed my life and i will forever thankful to him..he has helped many friends too with similar problem too and they are happy and thankful to him..This man is indeed the most powerful spell caster have ever experienced in life..Am Posting this to the Forum in case there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out..you can reach him here: shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com...... CONTACT THIS POWERFUL SPELL CASTER TODAY VIA EMAIL:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com..

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  21. I am from chicago USA, I can't stop thanking Dr Shakes Spear Africa for this Great thing that he has done in my life, I am so greatful to him, i was suffering from HIV seizures and kidney failure when i contacted Dr Shakes Spear Africa after reading the wonderful testimony that people has been sharing about him, when i contacted him, he assure me that he will cure me with his herbal medicine which he really did, and i am now completely cured from HIV seizures and kidney failure. What will i say rather than thanking him for saving me.
    Why suffering in silence when there is remedy to your deseases.Dr.Worrior Africa also specialize in curing the following desease:
    *Hiv/Aids
    *Kidney failure
    *Arthritis
    *Diabetes
    *Hypertension
    *Stroke
    *Obesity
    *Infertility/Impotency
    *Cancer
    *Eye Problem
    *Skin Problem
    *Fibroid Tumor
    *Ulcer
    *Prostate Problem
    *Asthma
    *Weight Management
    *Gonorrhea/Staphylococcus
    *Candidie
    *Low sperm can
    *Weak erection
    *Weak ejaculation
    *Pile e.t.c
    For more information contact Dr Shakes Spear Africa via email:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

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  22. My Name is Dan Anelos ..I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when i contact this man called shakesspear23@yahoo.com Execute some business..He is really powerful..My wife divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have her back cos i really love her so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and she woke up one morning and she told me she’s going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when she came back from work she tender to me a divorce letter and she packed all her loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have her back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years…So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and her picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos have tried so many spell casters and there is no solution…so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that she’s with a man and that man is the reason why she left me…The spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring her back.but i never believe all this…he told me i will see a positive result within 3 days..3 days later,she called me herself and came to me apologizing and she told me she will come back to me..I cant believe this,it was like a dream cos i never believe this will work out after trying many spell casters and there is no solution..The spell caster is so powerful and after that he helped me with a pregnancy spell and my wife got pregnant a month later..we are now happy been together again and with lovely kid..This spell caster has really changed my life and i will forever thankful to him..he has helped many friends too with similar problem too and they are happy and thankful to him..This man is indeed the most powerful spell caster have ever experienced in life..Am Posting this to the Forum in case there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out..you can reach him here:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com... CONTACT THIS GREAT AND POWERFUL SPELL CASTER CALLED SHAKES SPEAR ... HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS :shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com... CONTACT HIM NOW AND BE FAST ABOUT IT SO HE CAN ALSO ATTEND TO YOU BECAUSE THE EARLIER YOU CONTACT HIM NOW THE BETTER FOR YOU TO GET QUICK SOLUTION TO ALL YOUR PROBLEMS...

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  23. My Name is AZIBA OLUBOISE. I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when i contact this man called shakesspear23@yahoo.com Execute some business..He is really powerful..My wife divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have her back cos i really love her so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and she woke up one morning and she told me she’s going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when she came back from work she tender to me a divorce letter and she packed all her loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have her back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years…So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and her picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos have tried so many spell casters and there is no solution…so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that she’s with a man and that man is the reason why she left me…The spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring her back.but i never believe all this…he told me i will see a positive result within 3 days..3 days later,she called me herself and came to me apologizingI NEVER BELIEVED IN LOVE SPELLS UNTIL I MET THIS WORLD'S TOP SPELL CASTER. HE IS REALLY POWERFUL AND COULD HELP CAST SPELLS TO BRING BACK ONE'S GONE,LOST,MISBEHAVING LOVER AND MAGIC MONEY SPELL OR SPELL FOR A GOOD JOB.I'M NOW HAPPY & A LIVING TESTIMONY COS THE WOMAN I HAD WANTED TO MARRY LEFT ME 2 WEEKS BEFORE OUR WEDDING AND MY LIFE WAS UPSIDE DOWN COS OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN ON FOR 2YEARS... I REALLY LOVED HIM, BUT HIS MOTHER WAS AGAINST US AND HE HAD NO GOOD PAYING JOB. SO WHEN I MET THIS SPELL CASTER, I TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND EXPLAINED THE SITUATION OF THINGS TO HIM..AT FIRST I WAS UNDECIDED,SKEPTICAL AND DOUBTFUL, BUT I JUST GAVE IT A TRY. AND IN 7 DAYS WHEN I RETURNED TO USA, MY GIRLFRIEND(NOW WIFE) CALLED ME BY HERSELF AND CAME TO ME APOLOGIZING THAT EVERYTHING HAD BEEN SETTLED WITH HIS MOM AND FAMILY AND SHE GOT A NEW JOB INTERVIEW SO WE SHOULD GET MARRIED..I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COS THE SPELL CASTER ONLY ASKED FOR MY NAME AND MY GIRLFRIENDS NAME AND ALL I WANTED HIM TO DO... WELL WE ARE HAPPILY MARRIED NOW AND WE ARE EXPECTING OUR LITTLE KID,AND MY WIFE ALSO GOT THE NEW JOB AND OUR LIVES BECAME MUCH BETTER. IN CASE ANYONE NEEDS THE SPELL CASTER FOR SOME HELP, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS;shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com ......HOPE HE HELPS YOU OUT OUR OPPORTUNITY ... CONTACT THIS GREAT SPELL CASTER VIA EMAIL:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com...

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  24. My wife has been suffering from thyroid cancer which was confirmed to be stage four, the doctor told me there was little he could do since she wasn’t responding to treatment but a friend of mine came to our rescue by ordering this cannabis oil from Shakes Spear which he said has been helping some patient fight against cancer of various types so we decided to give it a chance, so far my wife is improving perfectly very well and presently she can walk around the house all by herself. I felt its necessary i let others who are suffering from this acute disease that once you have a good cannabis oil it can really give one a sound second chance of living. by
    chance if you happen to be in need of this cannabis oil you can contact Shakes Spear who supplied I and my wife with this email: shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

    HE FIX THE FOLLOWING PROBLEMS TO ALL
    ACROSS THE GLOBE ON:
    1. Getting your lover or husband back
    2. Spiritual bulletproof
    3. Training
    4. Money spell
    5. Long life spell
    6. Prosperity spell
    7. Protection spell
    8. Get a job spell
    9. Becoming a manager spell
    10. Get a huge loan without paying any fee spell
    11. Getting your scam money back
    12. Child spell
    13. Pregnancy spell
    14. Freedom spell
    15. Love spell
    16, vanishing spell
    17. Invisible human spell
    18. Success or pass spell
    19. Marriage spell
    20. Avenging spell
    21. Popularity spell
    22. Killing spell
    23. Cancer spell
    24. Supernatural power spell
    25. Madness spell
    26. Free house loan spell
    27. Production spell of films and movie
    28. Hiv/aids spell
    29. Tuberculosis spell
    30. Loose weight and body spell

    contact me of any of these problem as I got solution to all... MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

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  25. My wife has been suffering from thyroid cancer which was confirmed to be stage four, the doctor told me there was little he could do since she wasn’t responding to treatment but a friend of mine came to our rescue by ordering this cannabis oil from Shakes Spear which he said has been helping some patient fight against cancer of various types so we decided to give it a chance, so far my wife is improving perfectly very well and presently she can walk around the house all by herself. I felt its necessary i let others who are suffering from this acute disease that once you have a good cannabis oil it can really give one a sound second chance of living. by
    chance if you happen to be in need of this cannabis oil you can contact Shakes Spear who supplied I and my wife with this email: shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

    HE FIX THE FOLLOWING PROBLEMS TO ALL
    ACROSS THE GLOBE ON:
    1. Getting your lover or husband back
    2. Spiritual bulletproof
    3. Training
    4. Money spell
    5. Long life spell
    6. Prosperity spell
    7. Protection spell
    8. Get a job spell
    9. Becoming a manager spell
    10. Get a huge loan without paying any fee spell
    11. Getting your scam money back
    12. Child spell
    13. Pregnancy spell
    14. Freedom spell
    15. Love spell
    16, vanishing spell
    17. Invisible human spell
    18. Success or pass spell
    19. Marriage spell
    20. Avenging spell
    21. Popularity spell
    22. Killing spell
    23. Cancer spell
    24. Supernatural power spell
    25. Madness spell
    26. Free house loan spell
    27. Production spell of films and movie
    28. Hiv/aids spell
    29. Tuberculosis spell
    30. Loose weight and body spell

    contact me of any of these problem as I got solution to all... MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS:shakesspear23@yahoo.com OR shakesspear23@gmail.com

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  26. THANKS TO DR BENEDICT FOR SOLVING MY PROBLEMS

    An amazing testimony on a spell caster who brought my wife back to me.. My name is Andy Sowers,i live in Australia,and I'm happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with two kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife.so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce.she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she didn't love me anymore.So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife.So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.{benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who didn't call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster DR benedict. So.
    So,if you are in a similar problem or any kind of problems you can also contact him via his email(benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}he is the solution to all your problems and predicaments in life.his email again is{benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}.

    HE ALSO SPECIALIZE IN THE THE FOLLOWING PROBLEMS;

    (1) If you want your ex back.
    (2) If you want to be promoted in your office.
    (3) If you want a child.
    (4) If you want to be rich.
    (5) if you have any sickness like ( H I V/AIDS ),(CANCER) or any sickness.

    once again make sure you contact him if you have any problem he will help you. his email address is(benedictsolutioncentre@gmail.com}

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