Supplemental: This isn't the country Maddow knew!


Dan Rather won't endorse F-bombs:
On Monday and Wednesday nights of this week, Rachel Maddow has described herself as someone who "explains [American politics] for a living."

She never tells her viewers how good a "living" that actually is. That said, we're always surprised when professional journalists make remarks like the highlighted statement at the end of the chunk shown below.

The comment in question was made last night. As Maddow starts, she's quoting a question from a one-day Bloomberg poll concerning Trump's latest proposal:
MADDOW (12/9/15): Quote, "This week, Donald Trump called for a temporary ban on all Muslims who are citizens of foreign countries from entering the United States. Do you favor or oppose this proposal?"

Among likely Republican primary voters, the answer is, they favor this proposal by a huge amount. Nearly two-thirds of Republican likely primary voters say they agree with Donald Trump that all Muslims should be banned from the United States. Sixty-five percent support among Republican voters.

...I should tell you also that the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll is due out tomorrow and we are expecting an answer from that poll on this same question and that's not going to be just a one-day snap poll. That will be a multiple-day poll that includes people being called on their phones, not just being polled online.

So when that poll comes out tomorrow afternoon sometime, 5:30, 6:00 Eastern time, we should expect to get another look at that number from a slightly broader angle. It will be fascinating to see if this holds up because if this is real? If 65 percent of Republican voters in the United States think it is a great idea to ban all Muslims from this country? Then we live in a different country than I thought we did.
Maddow is bollixed by that polling result; she just can't figure it out. To Maddow, that polling result seems so strange, she feels we live in a different country than she thought we did.

Truly, that's high drama. For the record, 18 percent of Democrats also approved Trump's proposal in the one-day poll.

We're always surprised when overpaid corporate stars make remarks like the one Maddow made. If her understanding of the country is that weak, should she perhaps quit her job?

To us liberals, statements like that read as a measure of moral purity, not as a measure of political cluelessness. On Monday evening's Maddow Show, Richard Engel made a similar statement. It happened after Maddow played videotape of Trump declaiming with her friend on Fox:
MADDOW (12/7/15): Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, speaking tonight with my friend, Greta Van Susteren, on the Fox News Channel.

Joining us is NBC News chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel. Richard, it's great to have you here.

ENGEL: What has happened since I last spoke to you? I was in Paris—

MADDOW: You left the country, we broke it I think.

ENGEL: I came back and things have gone totally mad.

MADDOW: Yes. Well—

ENGEL: The country is in a panic. There is demagoguery. This is really not the country that I know.
In fairness, Engel is a foreign correspondent, not an orange-shoed analyst of domestic politics. He's also courageous and smart, a point that often pops into our head when we see him reporting from around the world.

That said, if Maddow makes one more references to "my friend, Greta van Susteren," we're going to go blow chunks in the yard, the way the analysts always do when she trumpets the friendship. Apparently, birds of a corporate multimillionaire feather make lasting friendships together.

The proclamations have been dramatic this week. According to Engel, this isn't the country he knows. According to Maddow, we live in a different country than she thought we did.

Within our own devolving tribe, dramatic statements of this type are taken as declarations of personal purity, not as disqualifying statements of political cluelessness. By the way—are we sure that independents and Democrats won't end up siding with Trump's proposal in some significant numbers? Why are we sure about that?

More on Trump's proposal tomorrow. It doesn't seem amazing to us that people think it makes sense.

Our view? Under the stresses and strains of the polarization, our liberal tribe seems to be getting dumber each day. We thought reactions to yesterday's University of Texas hearing were pitiful, uncaring, cruel and just dumbfoundingly stupid.

We expect to consider that matter next week. (Warning—it requires some thought about black kids' lives, something our pundits always try not to do.)

We expect to consider that matter next week. For today, let's roll our eyes at what Dan Rather did.

"The great Dan Rather" (Maddow's description) appeared on last night's program as her featured guest. At one point, she gave him the chance to affirm her deployment, on Tuesday night's show, of her collection of F-bombs.

On Tuesday night, all that stupid "Nazi sex orgy" shit was employed as a way to meander toward the eventual claim that Trump is some species of fascist or something. Last night, Maddow sought Rather's blessing for this approach:
RATHER (12/9/15): There are real fears in this country about what's happening in terms of terrorism. These are real, not limited to Republicans or Democrats or independents. It's across the board.

Now, what [Trump] is in the process of doing is he's showing passion and strength. If you notice, one of the common threads about the criticism of President Obama's speech last Sunday was he didn't show passion and didn't convey strength. I'm not saying I agree with that assessment, but there was a strong strain that ran through the party, he should show some passion.

Well, Trump, like him or not like him, he shows passion and he communicates strength and that is part of his appeal.

MADDOW: On that point—this is sort of a sensitive question. I tried to address it last night on my show with some historical analogies so as to try to take it out of epithet territory, take it out of insult territory, and ground it in basically political science.

But fascism is a real thing. Fascism is a political construct that has given rise to real political movements that have both run countries and that have tried to run countries and that have been substantive movements even in countries that we think of as being a lot like ours—France, Britain—since World War II.

One of the hallmarks of fascism is that the party leader is the great leader who can do things by sheer force of energetic will. It's characterized by willingness to toy with violence, even in political settings, chauvinism, obviously, xenophobia, different forms of racism or anti-Semitism.

Is it unfair to invoke a concept that inflammatory and that weighted for this current political situation we've got with the front-runner on the Republican side?
Is it unfair to invoke a concept that weighted? Just like that, Rather said that yes, with respect to Trump, he thinks that is unfair:
RATHER (continuing directly): For me, the answer to that is yes. I don't think Trump has reached that point yet.

Don't misunderstand me—I'm going to be very clear. What he said about immigration and limiting immigrants, this is the best propaganda tool that ISIS has had in a very long time. It's also good news to the Democrats and Hillary Clinton.

But directly answering your question—no, I don't think he's at that point yet. I think it is unfair to call him a fascist.
Rather than argue for her own alleged perspective, Maddow simply collapsed. But that's because of the actual way our B, F, X and N-bombs actually work.

They work as insults, as substitutes for thought, not as analytical tools. They work as hard markers of tribal belief, as pleasing denunciations of The Others.

They serve as a way to degrade the rubes, a practice Maddow took over the top way back in April 2009, during her ten evenings of dick jokes, the ones she paid Cox to deliver. And alas! When Rather said the F-bombs were unfair, Maddow had exactly nothing to offer by way of some further perspective.

Concerning her question:

Over the past six months, it has been hard not to think of Mussolini at times when one sees the buffoonish Trump at work. But like the R-bomb and the B-bomb, the F-bomb is one of the most inflammatory insults from the planet's last century.

It's guaranteed to produce a lot of heat before it yields any serious light. If you're going to make such comparisons, you need to know how and why you're doing so. You can't just ask permission from Rather, then meekly abandon your pose.

Speaking of substitutes for thought, Maddow returned to some of her favorites last night. On Tuesday, it was maybe six minutes of Nazi sex orgy fun on the long winding road to her F-bombs. Last night, it was two segments of this:
MADDOW (12/9/15): I want you to take a moment and imagine yourself receiving an award from the president, the president of the country. You're getting this big award. You're standing next to the president. It's a really big moment.

Now, I want you to imagine the most embarrassing thing that could happen to you in that moment. Dropping the award maybe, passing gas audibly, maybe fainting from excitement, falling down, right?

Whatever it is for you, just imagine that. The most embarrassing thing that could happen you to while you were in the act of receiving award from the president. You got it?


Now, allow me to introduce you to Ivan Cicak [videotape begins]. Ivan Cicak heads up one of the leading human rights groups in the nation of Croatia. He was receiving an award yesterday from Croatia's president when tragedy struck. Relative tragedy, at least.

He was getting this big award. He was standing next to the president when—his pants gave up. [Videotape shows his pants falling down.]

Now, to her credit, the Croatian president was unflappable. She artfully lowered the large award ever so slightly in order to protect Mr. Cicak's little Mr. Cicak from public view.

There went the pants! Woo-hoo! Amazing.

And yet, that is not even our top pants-related story of the night. It's not even in the top two actually. I wish I was joking, but I'm not.

Pants, or the lack thereof, are in the news tonight concerning two different high-ranking officials in our country.

Stay with us.
After a commercial break, Maddow came back with a whole new segment about 1) the VA official who kept masturbating in the window back in 2008, and 2) the admiral who, back in April, "became so intoxicated at an upscale beachfront resort that he struck his head on a bar stool, wet his pants and needed an escort back to his hotel room."

"Oh, but wait, there's more," Maddow reported. "After striking his head on the bar stool and wetting his pants and being helped back to his room, quote, 'a few hours later, still in a haze, the admiral re-emerged from his room without any clothes on as his door automatically locked behind him. As the admiral stumbled around the grounds of the resort looking for a towel to wrap around his waist, he was spotted by two alarmed female guest who reported him to hotel security.' Ta-da!"

Maddow closed her show with two segments about people masturbating, wetting their pants, and having their pants fall down. She asked us to imagine breaking wind while getting an award from the president.

To her credit, she got a big laugh from an off-camera staffer when she offered her wonderful dick joke about "protecting Mr. Cicak's little Mr. Cicak from public view." Staffers are paid to laugh on that set, and staffers seem to know that.

At the end of the two segments, Maddow kibbitzed with Lawrence about her two segments of lost pants-and-dick joke enjoyment. Luckily, nothing else is going on in the world.

It's hard for many tribe members to see, but Maddow is a corporate clown. "This isn't the country we thought we knew," several analysts mordantly said.

Tomorrow: Rejecting our tribal bombs


  1. Uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure most independents and Democrats would reject the idea of banning an entire religion from visiting our shores. Are you an idiot?

  2. Rather: What he said about immigration and limiting immigrants, this is the best propaganda tool that ISIS has had in a very long time.

    The stupid concept of basing a policy of ours on how we imagine the terrorists would react to it goes back to post 9/11. Invariably, this comparison turns out to justify a policy that the speaker favors. E.g., our President claims that a successful Paris agreement on global warming will serve to rebuke ISIS.

    Well, I don't think we should base American policy on what ISIS and their recruits prefer. However, if we really wanted to adopt policies that ISIS likes, we would need to execute gays, deprive women of an education, abolish freedom of religion, etc.

    P.S. A related stupid concept is, If we do [some unrelated policy], the terrorists will have won or will have lost.

  3. I like that Rachel frequently brings on Rather, ast living link to the Time of the Great Gatekeepers.

  4. As to the last two stupid segments Bob has reviewed on Maddow: yes, they were very stupid.

    As to the exchange with Rather, She brought up a notion that has been getting a lot of play on the left. Rather disagreed. Maddow moved on, like you do in an interview that is about someone else's views.

    Somerby's weird obsession with Rachel Maddow, and how much money She makes, is a little disquieting. Particularly in these days when quite about out there might merit comment or review.

    1. Don't you think that someone with a PhD whose job it is to explain American Politics, should actually do that job? What does NASCAR or embarrassing public moments have to do with that? She isn't earning her salary. I don't think it is weird to object when someone is being overpaid for a job they either cannot or will not do properly.

    2. If Maddow tells the truth about the Right, the PC Police, led by DavidinCal, will hoot and holler about truthfully calling them the bigots and know-nothings they are.

  5. Watching the elite of both parties get consistently stumped by Trump has been an absolute joy to watch. They simply cannot comprehend that their worldviews are part of an isolated and delusional bubble that is mostly confined to universities and media green rooms. The uncomfortable fact of the Donald's rise has them starting to panic. For a lot of sheltered leftists this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. The rest of us will continue to sit back and enjoy the fun...

    1. " ... The rest of us ...."

      You got a weasel in your pocket?

    2. It IS hard to believe that anyone doesn't realize the GOP base is just a bunch of bigots and economic know-nothings at this stage.

  6. Maddow is not the clown, Bob is. He can't stand that Maddow is a respected commentator with a TV show while Bob is confined to rants on his blog.

    1. The dude is quite mad. And his protestations to liberalism are BS. His approval of Trump's "no Muslims" proposal oozes from this ridiculous screed against Rachel.

    2. Maddow treats her audience like morons when she "reports" this kind of garbage. Clown is too good a word for her.

    3. 7:47, another Maddow hating clown.

  7. As a left wing progressive liberal, I enjoy the heck out of Trump. He's not threatening politically, there's no worry of him getting elected, he's not an ideologue, he truly represents a group of people. I also immensely enjoyed Herman Cain for the same reasons. There are even some things Trump says that I agree with or support. It would not surprise me if the whole Trump thing is an act orchestrated by the Clintons. He is harmless but still a good tool for enlightening people about the nuttiness of right wingers.

    1. Spoken like a conservative operative. It would not surprise me if you were being paid to write this crap.

  8. Kevin Drum points out that Trump supporters are much more likely to feel the American dream has passed them by. In other words, they are a bunch of losers. How ironic is that?

  9. Bob promised there would be follow up on the really awful stupid Bernie Sanders. I guess he forgot.

  10. This is not the TV news you are looking for.
    It used to be these kinds of stories were saved for the closing credits.
    Global warming, mass killings, elections, energy changes, racial conflicts, a new war, flareups with Russia, competition with China, technological innovations - how is there room for this nonsense? I can see people putting this on Facebook, but the news?

  11. "For the record, 18 percent of Democrats also approved Trump's proposal in the one-day poll."

    What's that supposed to mean? Bob doesn't tell us. Perhaps he is saying it isn't so bad that 65 percent of Republicans want to issue a religious test for entry into the U.S., because 18 percent of Democrats feel the same way.

    Surely Bob knows the difference between 65 and 18.

    1. Yes, Bob knows. Those over 65 are wise. Those within 18 years of 18 either way are youngish.

      Those on the minus side are wonderful kids. Those on the plus side have no business getting bylines in major publications.

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