On the other hand, here it is: Tomorrow is Thanksgiving.
On the other hand, we've decided to go ahead and post another example of what we'd call "New York Times culture." It comes from Dargis and Scott's listing of the past decade's ten most influential films.
In fairness, these aren't their choices for the decade's best films. Nor are these their ten favorite films.
They selected the most influential films. Still, the pair penned this:
‘Bridesmaids’ (2011)Women can be funny too! They can soil a wedding dress! Sexists worldwide, take that!
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We'll repeat what we said this morning. The incompetence (and strangeness) of our liberal and mainstream elites has been one of the most important stories of the past thirty-plus years. And nowhere is upper-class "liberal" strangeness given more room to roam than in the Hamptons-based Times, though it's branded as our brightest newspaper.
The Times is committed to fighting sexism. But is the paper peopled by humans? We can't say we're totally sure.
And now for a bit of comic relief: For a bit of comic relief, we'll include today's first "noteworthy fact" from the daily Of Interest feature.
As always, the feature appears at the top of page A3 (print editions only). The daily listing of noteworthy facts started today like this:
Of InterestCitizens, we soil you not! That's what it says in this morning's Times. That was today's first "noteworthy fact," out of a total of six.
NOTEWORTHY FACTS FROM TODAY'S PAPER
Some experts say the bagel is a relative of the pretzel.
By the way, what do the other experts say? We'll admit we have no real idea!
"But is the paper peopled by humans? We can't say we're totally sure."
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ReplyDeleteNo one eats bagels outside NYC but Somerby isn't making Hampton-like jokes about the city dwellers.
This man has an odd set of prejudices. Seems strange to hear him blame others for their oddity.
TDH is prejudiced against liberals and favors Donald Trump, Roy Moore, Devin Nunes, and Jim Jordan.
DeleteHow about we divide people up into Anonymous Ignoramuses and those who have a clue?
DeleteIs @4:05 a troll? Or did it go full Godwin immediately and in all seriousness?
No one eats bagels outside NYC. Except maybe in Montreal, as the NYT itself reports today on that city’s wood-fired bagel ovens.
And just when was it that women were forbidden from sweating? All together now:
How long ago was it?
I’d ask if you could be any dumber, but every time you post indicates that there is no bottom.
Is there a woman in the world who finds scatological "humor" entertaining?
DeleteI goggled the scene from that movie and it's plain awful.It's not a victory for women to act out this sort of crassness. It's victory for the adolescent males who get a kick out of it.
"And just when was it that women were forbidden from sweating? All together now:
DeleteHow long ago was it?"
1950s asshole. It was during my lifetime, if not yours.
Women have been put on a pedestal that prohibits acknowledging their bodily functions. They weren't supposed to talk about their periods, not supposed to fart. Not supposed to get hungry and make stomach noises. Not supposed to grunt or sneeze (except ever so daintily) and not supposed to bleed or vomit. Not supposed to engage in any strenuous activity such as sports or heavy work (aside from house cleaning and factory work, but that was lower class women so it didn't matter). Not supposed to yell or wave their arms around vigorously or do anything requiring strength (such as open pickle jars). Their fucking chairs were pulled out for them!
The director and writer of Bridesmaids was female. I didn't particularly like that scene or think it was funny myself, but it broke a whole bunch of taboos, blatantly, which is what those juvenile films aimed at adolescent males also do. But the taboos for men are different than those for women. The male films show men being weak and out of control and played. The ones for women show women being strong and doing stuff they aren't supposed to do, such as going to the toilet, talking about their periods, succeeding in business on their own and without help, and so on.
I shouldn't have to explain this but you apparently don't get why this is "influentual".
When I took gym in high school we weren't permitted to run. Yes, that's idiotic and you can thank a feminist that women today run marathons without a second thought.
As dumb as you think I am, you can be sure the feeling is reciprocal. I never have to wonder why Somerby is unmarried. I would bet real money you don't have a woman in your life either. Or maybe you and Cecelia are a match made in heaven. After a while, women get tired explaining things to men. Next you'll be asking a black commenter why slaves didn't put their wages in the bank and just buy their own freedom.
Women had to wear pads under their armpits to keep sweat off their clothes. Anti-perspirant is for the wetness, not the smell. Remember Donna Karan and "never let them see you sweat" ad campaign. What do you think all those handheld fans were about? And face powder (to keep off the shine, hint: shine = sweat). This is all from the 50s-70s.
Deleteoh, bullshit, Anon 8:27pm. Lucy and Ethel were sweating, mugging, and doing prat falls in the 50s.
DeleteBut you’re right, though Carol Lombard did physical comedy, women weren’t talking about their periods, and there weren’t movie scenes where overweight women were filmed hoisting themselves on a sink for comedic effect lest they go in their panties.
There’s a reason for that. Get a clue.
1950s asshole. It was during my lifetime, if not yours.
DeleteThat’s a fair cop, with regard to both the epithet, which is accurate, and the decade, all of which was in my lifetime.
Women have been put on a pedestal that prohibits acknowledging their bodily functions.
Did you expect me to deny this? My objection is directed to your sloppy writing, your sloppier thinking, and your refusal to check your opinions against reality.
Is it true that women were ever forbidden from sweating? Of course not. Sweating is an autonomic response to heat. It can’t be forbidden. Is it true that the male opinion about the undainty nature of female perspiration “set women’s tennis back a lot”?
The google is our intertubal friend. Modern tennis dates from 1874, and women played mixed doubles from the start. Wimbledon began in 1877. The women’s championship there began seven years later. US Women’s Championships started in 1887. Tennis was a male-only event in the first modern Olympics (1896). Women’s tennis was an event in the second.
Sweat appears nowhere in this narrative. What’s true is that women’s tennis didn’t start on the road to parity with men’s tennis until Billie Jean King started the WTA in 1973. There’s no doubt that prior prejudice about women’s societal roles and sexism of the ILTA held women back in the sport, but again, sweat had little to do with this.
The adage says, “Horses sweat, men perspire, women glow.” Is that true, if not mandated? And again the google helps us out. It is true in general. Women on average sweat less than men. At low to moderate heat levels, this difference is due to body morphology (basically that on average women are smaller than men). At higher heat levels, women still sweat less than men on average, something that has no explanation in body morphology. Who knew? Certainly not you.
I shouldn't have to explain this but you apparently don't get why this is "influentual”.
Assuming that “influentual” is the same as “influential,” not only am I agnostic on the influence of the film Bridesmaids, I was silent on the issue. So I don’t know why you brought it up.
When I took gym in high school we weren't permitted to run.
Thanks for sharing. In my grade school, junior high, and high school, girls ran in gym class and on track teams. For three years running (no pun intended), my friend Felice won our grade school Field Day all-school foot race. This was in the godforsaken midwest. I hope you’ve enjoyed our pointless trip down the memory lane of long-passed school days. I know I have.
As dumb as you think I am, you can be sure the feeling is reciprocal.
As for the first clause, I shouldn’t call you dumb because I can’t know for sure if you’re really stupid. You certainly act like the dumbest cluck in the flock. You can’t get the simplest facts straight and you never check your claims. But that needn’t mean you have a low IQ, just a set of bad mental habits.
As for the second clause, I’m just going to have to find a way to live with it.
I never have to wonder why Somerby is unmarried.
As opposed to me, who never wonders about Somerby’s marital status at all. I can’t know if he’s married or was ever married; if he isn’t, I have no way to find out why; and it’s immaterial anyway.
I would bet real money you don't have a woman in your life either.
OK, what’s real money to you? $25K?
What would constitute having a woman in my life? A certain number of consecutive years married to the same woman?
You tell me. For real money, let’s set the parameters and find some mutually acceptable way to verify them. Time to put your money where your mouth is. Whaddya say?
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DeleteAfter a while, women get tired explaining things to men.
No doubt, but in your case, you’re just irritated at my continuing to challenge your skills in reading for comprehension and thinking straight.
Next you'll be asking a black commenter why slaves didn't put their wages in the bank and just buy their own freedom.
Heh, heh. It’s funny, ya see, ‘cause slave wages were no wages at all. That’s a real knee-slapper.
You are literal to the death. I say that women were forbidden to sweat and you think I am saying that the sweat police tried to prevent an autonomic response, even though I gave numerous examples of how our culture denies that women have the same bodily functions as men. Then you cite facts on relative sweating, as if that meant anything about how our CULTURE defines men and women. Here is another example. Men and women are both hairy, men more than women. Women are expected to remove all hair from their bodies as part of routine grooming whereas men are considered more mainly with more hair. It is an example of the way our culture tries to emphasize the small differences between men and women in order to separate the sexes. These are aspects of cultural expectation, not physical measurement of hairiness. You seem to be comfortable with the science and oblivious to the sociocultural behavioral aspects.
DeleteI am going to be with family tomorrow and then traveling. I don't have time to play with you. You'll have to find someone else to call names for a week or so.
I fully believe that there can be no woman willing to put up with your level of (1) literalness combined with (2) hostility. It would be self-abusive. But there are women who will put up with a lot, so it may be possible. I don't have an extra $25K to throw around. My bets are usually 5 cents because it is the pleasure of winning that matters, not the $. YMMV
Sorry -- all hair except on their scalps, where hair is supposed to be as long as possible. It is almost always a rebellious, sometimes symbolic act when a woman cuts her hair short. Recall Samson being shorn by a woman and the trauma of baldness to see what hair means to men. There are women who wax the downy fuzz on their arms and upper lips, despite pain and expense and men who are repulsed by women's hair. Another bodily function warped into an extreme by cultural expectations.
DeleteLet’s talk about another “influentual” film, The African Queen (1951), noted by the US National Film Registry” as "culturally, historically or aesthetically significant.”
DeleteIn the film (which was adapted from a novel of the same name by C. S. Forester), Rose (Katherine Hepburn), a prim British missionary in pre-World War I German East Africa, teams up with a rough and ungenteel steamboat captain Charlie (Humphrey Bogart) to escape rampaging German colonial troops once war is declared.
The pair’s adventures on Charlie’s eponymous boat on an African river become harrowing.
Here’s a frame from the movie: https://www.cineman.ch/en/movie/1951/TheAfricanQueen/trailer.html. Note that both leads are dirty and sweaty during the period in which my Anonymous correspondent says that women were forbidden to sweat.
The film was a critical, popular, and financial success.
The film was nominated for four Oscars (Bogart, for best actor; Hepburn for best actress; John Huston for best director; Huston and James Agee for best adapted screenplay). Bogie won his category.
The film cost about $1M to make. It earned about $330K in Britain, and about $4M in the US and Canada.
You are literal to the death. I say that women were forbidden to sweat….
DeleteFortunately, this blog isn’t a life or death matter, but I’ll grant you this point. Because it’s true, not because you’ve got any standing to complain. When you say nonsensical things, you run the risk of being taken as nonsensical. And you’re this kind of careless all the time. You could try to rehabilitate your statement by saying, “Of course I didn’t mean physiologically. I meant that it was forbidden to portray women as sweaty in theater or film.” or “I meant that women were prohibited from engaging in public sporting events if their exertion would result in their sweating profusely.”
These more circumscribed claims would fit with motion picture codes that restricted the dress and activities of actresses and with prohibitions on the participation of high-school girls in such sports as wrestling and football.
Of course, you still would have been wrong. (See my comments on The African Queen and the history of women’s participation in tennis.)
Now you’ve retreated to the more general observation that “our culture denies that women have the same bodily functions as men.” Still wrong. Drop back to the completely obvious and utterly banal claim that our culture restricts women by regarding their bodily functions differently from the way it regards the bodily functions of men.
Would that observation make the 2011 movie Bridesmaids groundbreaking? Go ahead and make your case. Be sure to include the fact that The Vagina Monologues premiered in 1996.
I am going to be with family tomorrow and then traveling.
Have an enjoyable time. I hope you can avoid the widespread bad weather. I know you’ll find that sentiment hard to square with your perception of my animus toward you. But I don’t have any for the good and sufficient reason that I don’t know you. What you take as hostility is simply criticism of your inability to read for comprehension, to write clearly, and to think rationally.
I fully believe that there can be no woman willing to put up with [you]….
But you don’t fully believe that, because of this:
I don't have an extra $25K to throw around.
Congratulations on a new land-speed record for volte-face. What happened to betting good money because you were oh-so-sure you couldn’t lose? That you’re down to “5 cents” should tell you two things: 1) you know nothing about my personal life with no reliable way to find out anything and 2) nothing personal about me matters: my arguments stand or fall on the evidence I provide and the logic I present whether I’m a monk or a polygamist.
By the way, look up the term self-abuse. You seem to think it means self-victimization. It doesn’t. Just one more reason that your comments deserve to live in the comment section of a blog called The Daily Howler.
Have fun and be safe on Thanksgiving.
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DeletePeople with this level of grievance don't want to be treated equally. They want absolute obesiance.
“People with this level of grievance don't want to be treated equally. They want absolute obesiance.”
DeleteYou have just described the entire GOP.
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Delete11:03,
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DeleteHe certainly is, anon 1:00pm.
Perhaps if you took a real nym, posters here would see that you are too.
Perhaps if you didn't post under multiple nyms .... well, who gives a shit?
DeleteI do not.
Delete"The director and writer of Bridesmaids was female. I didn't particularly like that scene or think it was funny myself, but it broke a whole bunch of taboos, blatantly, which is what those juvenile films aimed at adolescent males also do."
DeleteNothing funny about those taboos, or anything important about breaking them. I think that's Bob's point.
“Nothing funny about those taboos, or anything important about breaking them. I think that's Bob's point.”
DeleteI’ve never seen a movie where men were portrayed in the same light as the actresses in that scene.
It seemed to me that the idea was to muss them up and knock them down a peg in a way that less about flouting taboos than with being puerile.
The amount of time Somerby spends reading, writing and posting about these so-called trivial stories that he supposedly hates, urging his readers to check out the stories via links, when he could be covering more important stories, shows where his true interests lie.
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