...and information departments: Personally, we can't really see why a newsperson would say this:
TODD (5/10/20): Richard Haass, given your expertise, I want to ask, I want to look at this from a global perspective here. Because the other part of this is, this is odd. The United States is the infected country. It's the country that others around the world don't want to emulate right now.The United States is "the infected country?" In fact, a lot of countries have been "infected." Here are the current death rates, per million population, of the countries tracked by Kevin Drum on a daily basis:
We're not the country that's leading the response to the pandemic, or it doesn't feel this way. What does that mean to you going forward? And how concerning is that to you? [Todd's emphasis]
Deaths per million population, to date:We wouldn't recommend that anyone emulate various aspects of the U.S. approach to this ongoing disaster. Also, there's no perfect way to compare any two countries on a resources/demographics/geography/onset-of-the-pandemic basis.
Spain: 566
Italy: 509
United Kingdom: 484
France: 394
Sweden: 323
United States: 242
Switzerland: 216
Canada: 131
Germany: 91
That said, the death rates in some of those Euro countries are far ahead of our own (to date). It remains to be seen where the numbers will stand when the pandemic is finally over, assuming it ever is.
Our view? Anti-Trumpism really is driving some liberal and mainstream orgs toward snarky, inaccurate coverage and commentary. In a new example, Meet the Press has apologized today for doctored editing of something William Barr recently said.
That particular bit of snarky editing and paraphrase has been widespread within our own liberal tribe. As we started to suggest this morning, it seems to us that coverage of Barr and Flynn has been rather shaky Over Here within the tents of our own infallible tribe.
True belief and its companions aren't exclusively found Over There. It's a virus within our own tribe too.
According to major anthropologists, we humans have always been wired this way. It isn't just The Other Guys. It's our own basic instinct too.
We'll extend these thoughts tomorrow, to the extent our computers permit.
That is true about true belief. But most people hate to be reminded of it.
ReplyDeleteToo scary, too cold out there in the vengeful sea of truth. Safe and warm is the tribe.
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ReplyDeleteMichael Flynn plead guilty because he is guilty of serious crimes.
Anti-Trumpism is appropriate considering his total failure in all aspects and particularly with Covid-19, as he is responsible for countless deaths. Having said that, Bob Somerby could only come up with one nothing-burger example, hyped with faux concern by The Hill, a hack media company owned and run by a Republican and Trump supporter, James Finkelstein.
Actually the deaths are counted. Those countries listed by Bob are on a different trend line than the US. Here are the US deaths that eclipse every other country:
Deaths/Million
NY: 1381
New Jersey: 1048
Connecticut: 844
Massachusetts: 741
Louisiana: 496
DC: 465
Michigan: 459
Rhode Island: 406
Pennsylvania: 300
The US is indeed leading the world both in Covid-19 cases and in failing to respond.
Exactly. Also the US is one of the worst in testing per capita, we are currently about 39th in the world.
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@6:30 There are somewhere between 197 and 215 countries in the world, depending on who's counting. At 39th in per capita testing, the US is one of the best, not one of the worst.
DeleteIn terms of our current rate of testing, we're even better. We've ramped up our testing to around 300,000 per day. This would put us even higher than 39th in the world.
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DeleteThe US is the number one GDP in the world. Why are we only 39th in testing? It is a result of the failure of national leadership (ie Trump).
David, no we are not higher than 39th, we are currently 39th. Most of those other countries have lower and declining rates of cases, less testing is needed there, so no we are not one of the best, never have been, and we are indeed one of the worst. This is in part because they tested early, whereas we waited until too late. We still need testing, and at a much higher rate, something more in line with what successful countries did, but we missed the boat on when testing would have helped us the most. A complete failure on Trump's part.
Deletemh - the US is #1 in total GDP and #1 in total tests. The US is not #1 in tests per capita, but the US is also not #1 in GDP per capita.
DeleteDavid that is not a comparison that makes any sense.
DeleteTotal tests without per capita context is incomplete information. If you have done a million tests in a country with 100 million people, not so good.
GDP with per capita context is also incomplete information. Washington DC is the highest GDP per capita by a huge margin - over 300% over the next highest - but DC GDP is actually very low, not so good.
Republicans seem to struggle with context.
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ReplyDeleteWhat crime is Trump referring to?
The "crime" of being competent and popular.
DeleteBarr is a cynical weasel. In this, Chuck Todd is right.
ReplyDeleteBarr said this:
“Well, history is written by the winner. So it largely depends on who’s writing the history. But I think a fair history would say that it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law.”
Barr is issuing a preliminary attack against what he knows will be withering criticism of his purely political decision in the Flynn case. He was saying in advance that any criticism of his decision would be unfair. Only a cynic would feel the need to wonder about the motives of future historians. A person convinced of the rightness of his cause does not hedge his bets in this way.
And as a matter of fact, history is already being written, with 2,000 former DOJ officials denouncing Barr’s decision:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2000-doj-officials-call-ag-barr-resign-flynn/story?id=70615677
Somerby made an effort to cite the impressive credentials of Bandy Lee and her fellow psychiatrists to convince his readers that they should be listened to.
These DOJ officials also have an impressive array of credentials.
Todd said the US is the infected country. And Somerby trots out the death rate.
ReplyDeleteOf the 9 countries in his list, only Spain has more cases per million than the US.
It is worse than that. Our states that are similar in size and density to those countries have over two times the amount of deaths/million. Our death rates are actually the worst, and by a large margin.
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ReplyDeleteThat's media criticism!
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ReplyDeleteCrickets from Somerby. I guess it doesn't count unless you call him crazy.
This is what "facts" look like on the right: "Trump made the nonsensical claim that more Americans are dying from having to stay in their houses than are dying from the coronavirus."
ReplyDelete“Anti-Trumpism really is driving some liberal and mainstream orgs toward snarky, inaccurate coverage and commentary.”
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16 days and counting with no correction or retraction of this false statement from Somerby:
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That was a delusional (if somewhat imprecise) claim, but that's what he actually said. But within the Fake News, pundits routinely say that Trump said this:
"Anyone who wants a test can get a test."
That isn't what he actually said, but it's better than what he actually said! For that reason, in time-honored fashion, the new improved claim took hold.
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"Our view? Anti-Trumpism really is driving some liberal and mainstream orgs toward snarky, inaccurate coverage and commentary"
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