The problem which can't be named: Donald Trump's manifest lunacy seemed to deepen last night. Paul Krugman was left saying this at the end of this morning's column:
KRUGMAN (6/2/20): On one side, he’s effectively inciting violence by his supporters. On the other, he’s very close to calling for a military response to social protest. And at this point, nobody expects any significant pushback from other Republicans.Krugman is tougher on Trump's supporters than we're inclined to be. But what might Trump himself decide to do if it looks like he's going to lose in November?
Now, I don’t think Trump will actually succeed in provoking a race war in the near future, even though he’s clearly itching for an excuse to use force. But the months ahead are still likely to be very, very ugly.
After all, if Trump is encouraging violence and talking about military solutions to overwhelmingly peaceful protests, what will he and his supporters do if he looks likely to lose November’s election?
We don't have the slightest idea! But that's a question we've been asking for more than a year. What makes us so sure that there's going to be an election this year at all?
Over at Slate, Fred Kaplan seems to misconstrue the problem. During Campaign 2016, our sachems refused to interview Kaplan when he explained the foolishness of the claim that Candidate Clinton had exposed our nation's most priceless secrets in a handful of meaningless emails.
Our sachems just gamboled and played. Now, in response to King Donald's growing madness, Kaplan has offered a piece which explains that Trump couldn't get away with trying to stay in office if he loses to Biden.
Presumably, that's true. But that isn't the (possible) problem.
The problem is what he might do to try to forestall such a loss—a loss which would make him a "loser." That's the problem Krugman cites at the end of this morning's column.
Behind all this lies a public madness; the upper-end press corps has agreed that they mustn't discuss Trump's madness. It's the growing problem which has no name—which can't be named, by high-end agreement.
Bandy X. Lee, a failing nation with flailing elites turns its eyes to you!
“But what might Trump himself decide to do if it looks like he's going to lose in November?”
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“Krugman is tougher on Trump's supporters than we're inclined to be.”
Umm....
Trump can’t really do much of anything without the support of his supporters, Bobbo.
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ReplyDeleteOh, dear. Dembot Krug and his lunacy, predictably destroying what's left of out dear Bob's brain.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, dear Bob, it's now the fourth year we're patiently waiting for Mr Trump's War you promised. And for the abolishment of Novembers.
But yeah, this time it's different. As zombie-controlled cities are burning, after getting decimated by the plague mismanaged by their zombie mayors and governors, the moment is definitely ripe for introducing martial law. Indefinitely! Keep shaking in your boots, dembot Krug. He-he.
Krugman calls it "social protest". Yes, there is a lot of social protest. However, as we all know, there is also a lot of wanton destruction, a lot of arson, a lot of looting and some murder:
ReplyDeleteLas Vegas: Rioter Shoots Police Officer in the Head from Behind
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/02/las-vegas-rioter-shoots-police-officer-in-the-head-from-behind/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3pxLtDMjUCxkWOgAMdtL7uiG_4D1RPAMNqjAQ79j3tClYY9kjwqyzUoFk
"Yes, there is a lot of social protest"
DeleteSocial protest? But what do they protest, exactly?
The way Minneapolis - with D-mayor, and the city council of 13 Ds, 1 Green, and 0 Rs - is managing their police department?
More examples of what Krugman calls "social protest":
DeleteChaos In Cicero: 2 Bystanders Shot Dead In One Incident, Liquor Store Looting Suspects Caught Hiding In Another
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/chaos-in-cicero-2-bystanders-shot-dead-in-one-incident-liquor-store-looting-suspects-caught-hiding-in-another/
"More examples of ...."
DeleteBlithering idiot blithers. In other news, the sky is blue.
David in Cal,
DeleteWow. Seems living in a nation committed to white supremacy ain't what it used to be.
Better vote for someone who can Make America Great Again.
@12:06 These riots are a disaster for black Americans. Their neighborhoods are being destroyed. They won't be rebuilt quickly, because potential entrepreneurs will be unwilling to take the risk of future riots and looting.
DeleteDavid,
DeletePolice reform will be one of the best things to happen to Americans of all colors, blacks included.
I saw a video of a man lying face down on the sidewalk, his knees bent awkwardlyunder him.
DeletePeople were standing over him as a young man went thru the guy’s pockets.
"went through the guy's pockets"
DeleteThat's exactly what you would do if you were looking for ID identify him and to call the man's family.
I've seen many videos over the years of Trump undermining American democracy, decency and objective truth.
DeleteSo fuck off back to your fainting couch
I’d have called for some help and dialed 911
DeleteWhich man mitigated the other?
DeleteReagan, Bush 41, Bush 43. Had there been a presidency of Dole, McCain, or Romney, you’d be saying precisely the same thing.
DeleteOnce you start thinking that way you never stop.
You are compelled now to kill what you despise.
Which is everything.
I'm so ashamed, Dixie.
DeleteAnd you guys were so nice and deferential to Clinton and Obama. Please, do you have any more life's lessons?
These protests have Cecelia so worked up, she forgot to call liberals "snowflakes" in her post about right-wing victimization. Poor thing.
Delete" ... she forgot to call liberals 'snowflakes' ...."
DeleteForgot? I thought it was because she fell of her fainting couch.
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DeleteWho’s talking about being deferential to politicians, mm?
And who demanded or suggested that you be ashamed over the sort of people who rifle thru the pockets of an unconscious man sprayed on the sidewalk?
Certainly not me. Is that being “deferential” to you?
Anonymices are forever demanding that I call them “snowflakes” as they simultaneously call me one.
DeleteYou aren’t snowflakes. You’re totalitarians.
Speaking of totalitarians. The police can stop this shit anytime they want.
DeleteThey need to implore their unions to support Police Reform.
"You’re totalitarians."
DeleteWhat was the giveaway, when we gassed citizens exercising their First Amendment rights, so we could have a photo op?
Remember: EVERY Right-wing accusation is a confession.
“What was the giveaway, when we gassed citizens exercising their First Amendment rights, so we could have a photo op?”
DeleteOne of the giveaways is that you actually and incessantly do what you have to pretend that I will do or have done- which is to defend such behavior.
Who’s talking about being deferential to politicians, mm?
DeleteI don't know, Dixie, who was it who mentioned Reagan, Bush, Bush, Dole, McCain and Romney?
Sometimes it's hard to understand your point and who you're pointing at.
I’m not much of a writer, but in this case, I don’t think it’s too difficult to ascertain that the special pleading of “but Trump is the worst” would be the same no matter the Republican in office.
DeleteIf there’s no Republican in office it would be “but Rush Limbaugh”. .
Delete“Speaking of totalitarians. The police can stop this shit anytime they want.
They need to implore their unions to support Police Reform.”
Does the capitalization of police reform mean there’s a definitive policy that you’re championing?
If so, link it and I’ll read it.
Cecelia claims,
DeleteI’m not much of a writer,…
Case in point below:
… but in this case, I don’t think it’s too difficult to ascertain that the special pleading of “but Trump is the worst” would be the same no matter the Republican in office.
Special pleading is saying that the general argument you support doesn’t apply to a particular case for the sole reason that the argument would otherwise force you to a conclusion you don’t like in that case.
This particular dodge is a favorite of ideologues, especially religious ideologues.
Everything has a cause. But not our god, because otherwise the cause would be more powerful than our god, which is, er, inconvenient. Soooo … special case!
We worship the Ten Commandments and contemn those who break said Commandments. But not Donald Trump, who’s clearly broken all ten (assuming you count criminally negligent homicide as violating the fifth one). Soooo … special case!
That aside, “but Trump is the worst” couldn’t possibly be the same if another Republican was in office. Because Trump wouldn’t be in office. I’m guessing you mean that the refrain “but the President is the worst” would echo during a Republican administration no matter who was in office.
And your ascertainment is correct, because the general argument that Republicans merely walk amongst as human is true. This general argument applies to anyone in the GOP. No special pleading needed.
Cecelia waxes indignant that anyone would charge her with defending Trump's attacks against citizens exercising their Constitutional rights. You bought the premise Cece. Don't pretend you don't own the bit. In the words of the prophet:
DeleteAin’t it hard when you discover that
He really wasn’t where it’s at
After he took from you everything he could steal
...
Go to him now, he calls you, you can’t refuse
Why don’t you try reading for comprehension, deadrat.
DeleteI don’t “own” defending everything that anyone does, (including Trump) because I made the point that once you get into the routine of excusing things because of so-and-so you’ll always have a reason.
That’s not a premise I buy about any individual or situation. My your own arguments, YOU have long owned that.
My reading comprehension is pretty good, but between your typos and your word salad, you’re not making it easy for me.
DeleteYou’re a trumper, peppering your comments here with wry asides, walking amongst the various commenters (the nym’d and the Anonymous Ignoramuses alike), as human.
You helped bring us here, and you’ll do your part in November to keep us here, all the while saying that you don’t own defending everything that anyone does, so why should you own the task of defending everything that Trump does.
I’m not embarking on the fool’s errand of asking you to change your mind, and I’m not saying you need to defend the indefensible. This is the comment section of a blog nobody reads. Do you think I’m so stupid as to make requests of or issue demands to anybody here?
I am saying that no matter what you choose to defend and what you choose to ignore, you own the result. Which is just a simple declaration of fact.
As the prophet says, you can’t refuse. So stop pretending otherwise.
Well, I’m not good at this, but yeah, I comfortable with this indictment. Yeah, I’ll own it.
DeleteAnd with no coinciding demand upon you.
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