Sharpton rejects Storyline: Catherine Herridge, an experienced journalist, is currently a senior investigative correspondent for CBS News.
Needless to say, she's a Harvard grad (class of 1987). She also holds a master's degree from the Columbia Journalism School.
For what it's worth, Herridge always struck us as a serious journalist, even during her long tenure at the Fox News Channel.
If memory serves, she was typically brisk and to-the-point. We've never studied her work for Fox, but it seemed to us that Herridge was one of that network's actual reporters, not one of its partisan hacks.
Beyond that, she typically struck us as thoroughly competent. In our view, that's a good thing to be.
Last week, Herridge got a chance to interview the American commander in chief, President Donald J. Trump. At one point, she asked a question which struck us as somewhat peculiar.
In fact, the question struck us as downright strange. The question went exactly like this:
HERRIDGE (7/14/20): Let's talk about George Floyd. You said George Floyd's death was a terrible thing."Why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?" To our ear, that question was odd.
TRUMP: Terrible.
HERRIDGE: Why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?
Why did that question seem odd? It seemed odd because all sorts of people are "dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country." Sometimes, though not always, these deaths occur in ways which can't be justified.
Over the past five years, the Washington Post has maintained an award-winning site, Fatal Force. The invaluable site attempts to keep track of all people shot and killed by police officers in the United States.
Roughly one thousand such shooting deaths occur each year. From the start of 2015 to the present day, the Post has recorded 5,480 such deaths.
A lot of people have been shot and killed by police officers during those years! At present, the Post reports this demographic breakdown:
People shot and killed by police officersAs you can see, in about ten percent of the cases, the Post hasn't been able to identify the race or ethnicity of the deceased. Also this:
2015 to present, nationwide:
White: 2,499
Black: 1,302
Hispanic: 910
Other: 220
Unknown: 549
Total: 5,480
Looking through the Post's capsule summaries of each event, "other" victims tend to be Asian-American, Native American or Middle Eastern.
Roughly a thousand people get shot and killed by police officers in a typical year—but as you can see, these people aren't always black. For what it's worth, this is the breakdown in the state of Minnesota during these same years:
People shot and killed by police officersWe checked those numbers after reading Wesley Lowery's recent fiery essay for The Atlantic—an essay which may have conveyed a misperception about the matter at hand.
2015 to present, state of Minnesota:
White: 37
Black: 10
Hispanic: 3
Other: 10
Unknown: 1
Total: 61
Why did Herridge's question sound strange to our ear, especially coming from a fully competent journalist? It sounded strange because it might have seemed to imply that only black people are being shot and killed in this manner.
(Or something! We have no idea.)
Why are black people being shot and killed by police officers? It isn't clear why a reporter would ask that question about one group only. It would be a little bit like asking a question like this:
Why are college professors still giving reading assignments to female students?As far as we know, professors routinely give reading assignments to all their students. Absent further explanation, it would almost surely seem strange to hear a question like that.
What did Herridge mean by asking that somewhat peculiar question? What was her larger point?
We can't answer that question. But we can report two points:
First, the question produced the rarest of all known human phenomena. In response to this somewhat peculiar question, Donald J. Trump made an accurate statement!
(Needless to say, he also berated Herridge for having asked the question. But in the course of berating Herridge, he made a accurate statement.)
In all honesty, we were surprised by that result—by the speed with which Trump was able to show that he knew an actual fact. But now, we'll make a second point:
It seemed to us that Herridge's question, framed that way, came straight outta Storyline.
What did Herridge actually mean by her somewhat peculiar question? We can't tell you that.
But her question seemed to emerge from a focus on black shootings deaths—a focus which, in its current incarnation, seems to date to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in early 2012.
Perhaps Herridge meant to ask why so many black people are shot and killed by police. Perhaps she was wondering why so many black people are shot and killed by police in ways which can't be justified.
Perhaps she meant to ask Trump if he thought those 1,302 shooting deaths reflect a problem at the heart of American policing. That would have been a perfectly sensible question. Trump would have said that he didn't.
Starting today, we expect to spend several weeks exploring the way this general topic is being covered by our major journalists and our major news orgs. Just so everyone understands, we'll mainly be assessing the journalism, not the behavior of the police.
In the years since 2012, a giant Storyline has emerged around this important topic. As typically happens in such matters, our journalists have responded in several typical ways.
We humans! According to major anthropologists, our brains are wired to encourage us to embrace Preferred Storyline. When a certain Storyline becomes preferred, other considerations will tend to give way.
Our journalists will tend to push preferred Storyline in an array of ways:
Routinely, they will invent inaccurate facts—inaccurate facts which enhance their preferred Storyline. Routinely, they will disappear accurate facts which undercut Storyline.
They'll emphasize wholly irrelevant facts if this heightens pathos. Our journalists will rush to perform these various tasks in service to Storyline.
In the case of police shooting deaths, something else will occur:
Our journalists will devote sweeping coverage to the shooting deaths of black victims, as may be completely appropriate. At the same time, they will completely ignore similar events if the victims are white or Hispanic or other.
In theory, our journalists are only showing us how much and how deeply they care. We'd be inclined to recommend that you ignore theories like that.
Our journalists routinely do such things in service to Storyline. They've routinely done these things in the past in the course of covering major topics which had nothing to do with race.
This conduct has often produced gruesome outcomes. But our journalists are doing these things once again, as we speak, in the way they cover this topic.
It seemed to us that Herridge's somewhat peculiar question was drawn from Storyline. Tomorrow, we'll recall the accurate statement the president made, and we'll look at the angry response which emerged from within our own liberal tents.
Before the week is done, we'll also do something uplifting. We'll look at something Al Sharpton said to Ali Velshi last Friday night.
Sharpton made his statement on the air, as Velshi guest-hosted for Lawrence O'Donnell. Is the reverend allowed to say this?:
"The real question you have to ask yourself is, why are whites or blacks being killed unjustifiably by police...why police are killing anyone if it is not justified?"
Is Reverend Sharpton allowed to say things like that? Because that's what he actually said, on the air, this past Friday night—and he broke with current standard practice in one other way.
It's very, very, very rare to see President Donald J. Trump make an accurate statement. When he did so in response to Herridge, our tribe quickly pushed back.
These reporters and pundits today! They tend to throw their journalistic skills away as they bow to Storyline's power.
This tendency comes outta tribal war. In the history of our floundering species, how often have wars ended well?
Tomorrow: New York magazine fights back
"It seemed odd because all sorts of people are "dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country.""
ReplyDeleteYeah. And also, in every other country on this planet, dear Bob.
"Donald J. Trump made an accurate statement!"
You can't say this, dear Bob. This is a dog whistle and a form of WHITE SUPREMACY.
"Is the reverend allowed to say this?"
No, dear Bob. If it hasn't been sent to the memory hole yet, that was a regrettable oversight.
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ReplyDeleteIf memory serves, she was typically brisk and to-the-point. We've never studied her work for Fox, but it seemed to us that Herridge was one of that network's actual reporters, not one of its partisan hacks.
Beyond that, she typically struck us as thoroughly competent. In our view, that's a good thing to be."
Herridge covered Hillary Clinton's campaign for Fox News. How thorough and brisk and competent does Somerby think she was, in that capacity?
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Systemic or disproportionate police brutality is a lie.
ReplyDeleteSo why the raging protests and riots in the streets?
Leftists are mentally ill.
Leftists suffer from emotional illnesses and emotional incontinence and are always on the brink of an enraged meltdown. Fake, invented social problems give them an opportunity to indulge their rage and hate.
Where does the rage and incessant hate come from? It's usually directed at white males, which are seen as their fathers. Most of them had shitty fathers. Throw a bitter feminist mother in the mix and you have the worst of all worlds.
Better trolling please.
DeleteThere are two kinds of morality—the kind of morality that one imposes on oneself and the kind of morality that one imposes on others. For the first kind of morality, that is, for self-restraint, I have the greatest respect. The second kind of morality I do not respect except when it constitutes self-defense. (For example, when women say that rape and wife-beating are immoral, that is self-defense.)
DeleteI have noticed that the people who try hardest to impose moral code on others are often the least careful to abide by that moral code themselves.
Society imposes morality on all of us by teaching us in childhood the morals that we hold as individuals later in life. The early teaching comes from those close to us, including parents, church, schools, friends, and in a broader sense, the media, books we read, and popular and high culture. All of that is external to the self.
DeleteSo, making a distinction between self and others is difficult because our self-morality comes from others. In a multi-cultural society, there are more places to learn from and a less homogeneous moral code, yet we must all get along. Fortunately, most cultures have a fairly consistent morality that is universal (no murder, don't lie, treat others as you would be treated). The specifics may vary. A small number of people do not absorb morals from their early learning, either due to trauma or biology (e.g., psychopaths). But, we form a collective to determine our community's morals and apply them to specific situations. That is done through laws, peer pressure, public comment, acceptance and rejection of behavior.
Your desire to evade community responsibility by focusing only on your own morality doesn't change the way the world works. You are stuck on a planet full of other people and must get along with them (and they with you), so morality of others becomes important whether you like it or not.
Enforcement of morality varies with culture. We live in an individualist culture that stresses individual morality, as you do in your comment. Other cultures are more collectivist, stressing responsibility to others, conformity, honor and reputation, duty to family, friends and community (others). Such cultures may seem more restrictive to those who stress individualism, but what happens is that the morality of the individual is closely similar to that of the collective (family, town) so that the person feels no gap between the two and considers shared morality to be one's own, individual morality as well. This is where identity becomes important, one sees oneself as a member of a group that becomes one's identity.
It sounds like you wish to call collectivists immoral, but they could do the same to you, calling you someone who doesn't care about others, disregards the needs of others, is self-centered and greedy, and so on. Further, it sounds like you blame others for not following YOUR morality, disregarding that they may be following their own to the letter.
You might enjoy reading some cultural anthropology or social psychology, Greg. You might recognize how some of your ideas have been thought about by others.
"Last week, Herridge got a chance to interview the American commander in chief, President Donald J. Trump. At one point, she asked a question which struck us as somewhat peculiar.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, the question struck us as downright strange."
The question, as quoted by Somerby, was:
"Why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?"
Despite being asked in the context of the Floyd shooting, Somerby thinks this question is odd because lots of different people are being shot by police -- his implication, why single out African Americans?
Then Somerby ignores our long and fraught racial history, behaving in the manner of a martian who has just arrived on this planet with no knowledge about American slavery, racism, its habit of lynching African Americans, its history of racial injustice in policing and the criminal justice system, and its ongoing systemic racism. He lives in Baltimore, but behaves as cluelessly as the most disingenuous bigoted Southern apologist for ongoing racism.
He should be ashamed of himself. Needless to say, this is not the kind of thing a liberal would write. For one thing, most liberals don't believe that if you abuse a few white people that makes it OK to ignore racism. That's like saying that because two of the three Freedom Riders killed in Mississippi were white, that the motive for killing Chaney wasn't racism.
Long-winded, tedious rebuttal from deadrat to follow:
DeleteNow that would have hurt my feelings, if I had any. I was going for detailed and insightful, but the customer is always right. If you'll go to the service desk, they'll refund your money.
DeleteThese days I always comment using my nym, so my deathless prose is always easily identifiable. If you don't read my contributions, how do you know they're tedious? If you're reading tedious comments, why?
And deadrat is triggered, as usual. He can’t not respond. At least this time it was a less-than-blog-length comment.
DeleteHow can you know whether something is tedious or not unless you read it and get bored?
DeleteThe prediction is based on track record.
Delete"We'll look at something Al Sharpton said to Ali Velshi last Friday night."
ReplyDeleteAl Sharpton was talking to Ali Velshi about black-on-black killings and the flooding of black neighborhoods with guns, the failure of gun control and its contribution to crime.
That is a legitimate point and a worthwhile discussion, but it had nothing to do with Floyd's killing. Floyd was unarmed and he was not committing any black-on-black crime.
This is Somerby's homage to David in Cal, his deflection. This isn't an either-or problem, where if we address policing problems we cannot address the need for gun control, or vice versa.
Sharpton also said it was ridiculous to consider naming Army bases after him. Another deflection.
Somerby has really decided to let his racist flag fly!
If you take Somerby's example and make it more equivalent to the situation with Floyd, imagine a college where students have been protesting the disproportionate amounts of homework given to female students compared to male students. Then the reporter asks:
ReplyDelete"Why are college professors still giving reading assignments to female students?"
I think the question would make a different kind of sense in that situation, which I consider more closely similar to the one being discussed, in which the question about police killings was asked in the context of Floyd's death, not out of a clear blue sky.
"It's very, very, very rare to see President Donald J. Trump make an accurate statement. When he did so in response to Herridge, our tribe quickly pushed back."
ReplyDeleteThat's because it wasn't an "accurate" statement. It was a non-sequitur and a deflection of what Herridge asked about.
His answer was non-responsive.
That Somerby considers it an accurate answer speaks volumes about Somerby's attitudes toward race. Every good white racist would answer the question the way Trump did. They would say, like our troll @11:30AM:
"Systemic or disproportionate police brutality is a lie."
And they would ask "what about all the white people who are shot?" Just like Trump did and just like Somerby did.
But the existence of white killings by police doesn't mean that there is racism against white people, nor does it mean that there is not racism against black people. Somerby's failure to understand this is sad.
When liberals try to correct this misunderstanding, we are not being tribal. We are trying to deal with an important social problem, which is what liberals do. Somerby's failure to understand this is also sad.
I suspect that Somerby needs to take that really hard cognitive test and ask his doctor to help him evaluate his score. He used to do a far better job of hiding his bigotry.
Cue the Somerby defense troll brigade:
DeleteHelping black people is not your real goal. Race problems serve as an excuse for you to express you hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the your hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
DeletePlease. Most of the rioting being done now is 98% by white dudes with gaming systems that take up their entire bedrooms and white women in Lululemon.
DeleteThis is so ignorant that I hardly know where to begin. First, have you ever read about what New York and London were like when poor people lived there? They were literally shitholes because people poured shit out of their windows into the street. Pigs roamed the streets to control garbage. It was before spray paint however, but there were gangs of thieves and pickpockets and it was unsafe to go out after dark. Most cities were like that, and everyone was white there. See the film Gangs of New York -- it is about the Irish gangs that roamed NYC (and also Chicago, Boston and other large cities). All white. Black people migrated from the farms and plantations of the South to the major cities and, being poor, took over dwellings previously occupied by those who had made urban centers shitholes. Savage thuggery wasn't invented by minorities. Look at the police!
DeleteSo, bottom line, race didn't cause this, racism did. You can't solve a problem if you don't identify the correct cause(s).
But this is a liberal blog (supposedly), so why are idiots coming here and arguing in favor of racism and white supremacy in the comments? Maybe Somerby is creating an environment where they feel comfortable doing that.
The protesters mostly don't belong to any "oppressed" group at all but come from privileged strata of society. Most have secure employment with comfortable salaries. The majority are are heterosexual whites from middle- to upper-middle-class families.
DeleteThey are identifying with the problems of blacks because they think blacks are inferior. They would never admit to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely because they do see blacks as inferior that they identify with their problems. This is because they think of themselves as inferior and are consumed with low self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies, defeatism, guilt, self-hatred, etc.
"The part about black people making white people more racist by complaining about racism is genius." This is an imbecilic misreading. Pathetic but not surprising.
Lilly white middle and upper class liberals label everyone a racist to serve their own psychological needs. Their attack is an outlet for hostility, and, to the extent that it is successful, it satisfies the drive for power. Their feelings of inferiority run so deep they cannot tolerate any mention of whites being killed by police in the same way.
DeleteOne irony is blacks don't want their help.
The rioters have the same complaints as the rest of the educated middle class.
DeleteThey owe a lot of money on student loans and they’ll never afford a house in Portland, Seattle, or Minneapolis.
Greg, which black person was it that told you that we don't want white people's help? I want to set him straight.
DeleteGreg, which protester told you that they are mostly heterosexual? I want to set him straight.
DeleteNow Greg is saying that white people identify with black people because they feel inferior like blacks and thus want to cure their own inferiority by solving racism.
DeleteThat makes an odd kind of sense if you apply it to Trump. He feels superior (because narcissism) so he identifies with white people because they are superior. However, narcissists actually have a fragile ego which they protect from subconscious feelings of inferiority, so Trump actually identifies with black people because at heart he feels inferior, but this is all subconscious so he can't admit it, so he wants to fix racism but can't admit it to himself or others, so he is trapped and must remain a nazi.
But his tragedy is that he cannot seek therapy because that would involve admitting his lack of superiority, and if he could do that, he would be cured.
"The rioters have the same complaints as the rest of the educated middle class."
DeleteMeh. I have the impression that they are simply brainwashed. "Educated" being the most common euphemism for it.
Young people who have never done an honest day's work, subjected, non-stop, to a stream of liberal drivel. It kills their brain cells.
Plus some garden variety criminals.
Trump is a fool. He whines about the decay of traditional values, yet enthusiastically supports economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to him that you can't make rapid, drastic changes the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.
DeleteIf Herridge is so experienced, and spent many years at Fox being serious and competent, then how likely is it that she is pushing the “liberal Storyline?”
ReplyDeleteIf she had wanted to ask a question that clearly stated the BLM grievance, she would have asked it in the ways that Somerby suggested, such as “why are blacks being disproportionately killed?”, or “Is there systemic racism in policing that leads to the deaths of African Americans?” But she, the seasoned reporter and interviewer, chose not to do so.
The question, in the context of the Floyd killing, was basically a softball question. It was a way of asking about the BLM position without clearly describing it. It did serve, however, to show what Trump inferred from her question, which is the same thing Somerby inferred, or seemed to infer. Was she asking the question in order to elicit the kind of response she got from Trump? If so, it was a window into his thinking.
And “our tribe quickly pushed back?” Somerby doesn’t show how. “Liberals” pushed back by saying that blacks are being disproportionately killed by police, a factual rebuttal.
Liberals didn't "push back". They pushed forward with the usual goebbelsian hate-mongering and race-bating.
DeleteIt's not clear to me, though, that hate-mongering of this scale and intensity is a winning tactic. For winning the elections, I mean.
Are your bosses (the bosses of your cult's politicians) really trying to start a race war, a-la Charles Manson? It seems that they are...
mh, Herridge couldn’t have better represented the BLM raison d'être than with the phrasing “Why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?”
DeleteThat phrasing cuts to the gut by harking back to Sheriff Jim Clark and his ilk and suggests that little progress has been made and that a black man could find himself beaten to death for merely smiling at a woman on the street.
It is unlikely that Herridge is a liberal. She is a highly seasoned interviewer. Do you really think she was pushing the liberal storyline? I suggest that she phrased the question the way she did in order to characterize (or mischarscterize) the BLM position in such a way as to elicit the response she got from Trump. She was uninterested in talking about the actual issues of policing or racism.
DeleteI agree that Herridge could well have phrased her question in a way mostly likely to provoke an emotional response, but that wouldn’t mean that she wouldn’t have been provocative in the opposite direction had she been interviewing a Democrat. And none of this disputes the notion that she may well see the issue in this light.
DeleteSo, if she had asked a Democrat “why does BLM think that white lives don’t matter”, then that would have been provocative in the other direction. Since we don’t know her real reasons or beliefs, as Somerby avers, then your description of her is simply of a reporter doing her job by asking provocative questions, rather than making political statements or pushing a particular storyline.
DeleteWhat she said was to a political narrative. I said that we don’t know her motivation.
DeleteAnd I suggested that it is possible that she posed the question the way she did in order to express the right wing caricature of BLM and specifically give Trump a chance to vent. She was at Fox for over twenty years, after all, and she never talked in this interview about the actual issues around the Floyd killing.
DeleteNo, we don’t know her motivation. But I am suggesting that it could stem from anti-liberal bias, and it’s just as important to be on the lookout for that in the Msm as for liberal bias. After all, the reason Somerby began blogging was to call out anti-liberal bias in the msm.
mh, one motive that we can take for granted as being Herridge’s is that she did want to conduct an interview that provokes interest as to how the president performs under edgy questioning while not obviously pushing buttons in a way that costs her some credibility.
DeleteThat’s not a political agenda, it’s a professional one.
Black Lives Matter has made me racist.
ReplyDeleteTake a bath and you'll be fine again.
DeleteWhat makes you think he's not fine?
DeleteIsn't TDH a big proponent of normalizing for population? Our demographic classification system is odd, so the percentage of "black" residents is hard to get exactly right, but it's about 13%. 1302/5480 is about 24%. Might be a problem there.
ReplyDeleteThe percentage of serious crimes involving life or death encounters with the police is a high for blacks per proportion of pop too.
DeleteThat would drive up the fatality percentage.
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