WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2020
Place our faith in the darnedest people: Art Linkletter would constantly say it, though only in private.
"Humans believe the darnedest things," he would constantly tell us. Thoughtfully, we'd always advise him to throw a "we" in there.
We people do believe the darnedest things; this fact has rarely been more apparent. Consider the example which arose during Obama's second term.
During Obama's second term, a remarkably large percentage of Republican adults told a wide array of pollsters that they believed that the gentleman had been born in Kenya.
The evidence tilted, rather strongly, in a different direction. But Donald J. Trump was making such claims during repeated sessions on Fox, and a wide array of Republican adults had decided to trust him.
For the record, Greta von Susteren had been assigned to serve as Trump's enabler on Fox during these long, ridiculous years. Later, we learned that she had been Rachel's drinking buddy during the long, stupid years in which she served as The Donald's official birther caddie.
We learned this fact because Rachel herself bruited it on the air. When Greta was hired by MSNBC, Rachel aggressively pimped her pal's journalistic greatness. We humans tend to put our faith in the darnedest people!
We people believe the darnedest things and trust the darnedest people. Again and again, modern media, such as they are, help spread the bogus beliefs around.
How do bogus ideas spread? Consider something which happened on C-Span's Washington Journal, early this past Sunday morning.
Greta Brawner was hosting the program this day. During the 7 A.M. hour, she fielded calls from the program's famously well-informed viewers. She asked them how well they thought their state's governor was handling the pandemic.
At 7:27, Robert from Clearwater came on the air. Possibly puzzling Brawner a bit, he shared a shaky belief:
BRAWNER (11/22/20): Robert in Florida, what do you think of the job Republican governor DeSantis is doing?
ROBERT IN FLORIDA: I think he, the governor is doing pretty good, you know, he's doing his job. I also think there's a O-positive that doesn't even get the disease.
BRAWNER: You think there's what?
To our ear, Brawner sounded puzzled.
To hear the full exchange, click here. Robert continued as shown:
ROBERT (continuing directly): O-positive. If you have O-positive blood, you won't even get it. I mean, my whole family's got O-positive, and none of them, they're not even near getting it. I asked other people who have O-positive blood, they're not getting it either. I mean--
BRAWNER: Are you taking precautions nonetheless, Robert, or are you, think that you're immune?
ROBERT: Yeah, I'm immune from it. I won't even get it. I mean, I wear a mask if I'm in a crowd or something like that, sure, save other people from getting it. But my family, and other families that I talk to who have O-positive, don't even get it.
BRAWNER (perhaps a bit sadly): O.K.
ROBERT: So, you know, I think that's pretty good...
Robert's logic concerning his use of masks was perhaps unclear. If he can't get the virus himself, how can he give it to others?
That said, C-Span lets its callers speak without fear of critique or challenge. Possibly for that reason, Robert's logic wasn't questioned this day.
Robert went on to restate his positive appraisal of Governor DeSantis. He complained that President Biden would probably "shut down the whole country for a month or whatever," even though Robert himself "will not get it."
"That's not going to do any good," Robert said as he continued. Concerning the delivery of vaccinations, he expressed this further view:
ROBERT: Why don't they just start giving them out now? Why wait two, three months from now? I mean, I would take it immediately, but I don't even need it, because I'm not going to get it. Period.
Through such transmissions, we humans often end up believing the darnedest things. Such transmissions occur all day long, day after day, in a wide assortment of venues.
Sometimes the transmissions come from President Trump, whose extensive alleged "psychopathologies" are off-limits to the press. (We're citing the assessment of his niece, Mary L. Trump, a clinical psychologist.)
Sometimes the transmissions come from C-Span callers, whose logic and facts are very unlikely to be subjected to scrutiny.
Concerning Robert's factual claim, let's take a look at the record! Such as it is, the (still extremely limited) record suggests that people with type O blood may be somewhat less likely than others to "get it." But "get it" they very much can!
Last month, a report from CNN described the results of two recent studies. According to CNN's Hunt and Howard, one of the studies found this:
HUNT AND HOWARD (10/14/20): A Danish study found that among 7,422 people who tested positive for Covid-19, only 38.4% were blood type O—even though, among a group of 2.2 million people who were not tested, that blood type made up 41.7% of the population.
Uh-oh! According to this Danish study, 38.4% of people who got it were in fact blood type O! On the brighter side, this compared to a slightly larger percentage of type O people in the relevant population.
People with type O blood were 42% of the population, but constituted only 38% of people who tested positive. These findings were less definitive than those which Robert would later report—but report his findings he did.
We humans believe the darnedest things and trust the darnedest people. On some occasions, and in some settings, elite institutions make little attempt to challenge these darnedest beliefs.
Our logic may also tend to be shaky. According to an array of major top experts, we humans have always been like this.
In this morning's report, we've spoken of shaky or bogus beliefs which have come from Over There, from those in the other tribe. We've spoken of shaky or bogus beliefs which are held by others.
Starting next week, we'll be asking award-wining questions:
Over Here in our own liberal / progressive / woke tents, do we sometimes display an inclination to believe the darnedest things too?
Can our logic be shaky too? Also, how about this:
How often have our own darnedest beliefs come to us, live and direct, from the upper-end mainstream press, even from our self-impressed tribe's most honored sachems and warriors?
Are people like us inclined to believe the darnedest things and trust the darnedest people too? We almost expect The Ghost of Linkletter Past to opine on this matter tonight.
Friday: When The Person of Kristi Noem speaks, the AP (politely) listens
Here is Somerby with a shout-out to conservatives again.
ReplyDelete"[We humans] Place our faith in the darnedest people: Art Linkletter would constantly say it, though only in private."
According to Wikipedia and California memory, Linkletter was a close friend and campaign organizer for Ronald Reagan. Also a close friend of Walt Disney, a prominent conservative.
Did Somerby throw this reference into today's essay simply because he liked the phrase "say the darndest things"? He could have done that without evoking Linkletter's ghost as a conversationalist.
Back in Linkletter's day, conservatives were seeing communists under every bed and ascribing nefarious plots to Democrats, and they were somewhat Nazi-friendly, especially before WWII.
My point is that Linkletter is hardly in any position to be judging the rest of humanity based on its beliefs -- nor is Somerby.
Corby - as per usual, you form opinions without really knowing what you are talking about. Maybe you are too young to remember Art Linkletter's show (in the late 50's or early 60's) called 'People Are Funny." One of the regular features of the show was where Art would ask questions of young children, who gave amusing, cute answers, in the way young children often do. The segment was called "Kids Say the Darndest Things." (It might have been that People are Funny and Kids Say the Darndest Things were 2 separate shows. It was a long time ago) Linkletter in no way shape or form was "judging the rest of humanity based on its {sic] beliefs." His show was non-political. The fact that he was a Republican, or supported Reagan (who won in a landslide the second time around) is irrelevant to TDH's joking (maybe not wildly humorous) play on the darndest thing reference. I suppose TDH can't come out with anything that you can't twist into a basis for indignation.
DeleteIf Somerby merely made a reference to the show or its title, your comment would be valid, but Somerby talks about having conversations with Linkletter and talks about what Linkletter said to him, much as he channeled Carlotta Valdes a few weeks ago.
DeleteI am pointing out that Somerby seems to be spending too much time having such conversations with conservatives, given that he has taken on their views and has been defending them more and more lately.
I think Art Linkletter, with his conservatism (which was well know in California in that time period), is a bad influence on Somerby.
Somerby says this, for example: "Art Linkletter would constantly say it, though only in private."
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Delete"The evidence tilted, rather strongly, in a different direction."
ReplyDeleteWould you use the phrase "rather strongly" to describe birth certificate? I wouldn't, because it allows the possibility that Obama was not born in the US, when there is no possibility of that and no evidence whatsoever that his citizenship was not genuine.
This kind of tepid acknowledgement of solid, not tilted, evidence is what gives conservatives wiggle room. No, it is not possible that Obama was born in Kenya and anything is not possible either.
"Later, we learned that she had been Rachel's drinking buddy during the long, stupid years in which she served as The Donald's official birther caddie."
ReplyDeleteSomerby decries "tribalism" but then he turns around and blames Maddow for being friends (which is what a drinking buddy tends to be) without someone who holds different political views than herself. Maddow exhibits the opposite of tribalism in her personal life and Somerby uses that as evidence against her.
Somerby needs to get his story straight, or stop using this tribalism complaint as a weapon to bash liberals. Holding a double standard in which Maddow is wrong when she does exactly what Somerby calls on liberals to do -- embrace The Other -- just looks like bigotry. Maddow isn't furthering Republican Obama-Kenya memes when she has a drink with a colleague. That's ridiculous and it makes Somerby look ridiculous when he says it.
Maddow did promote Van Susteren, but it is her job to "pimp" the other celebrities on her network, whatever she may think of their views. If Somerby thinks Maddow wrote that praise of Van Susteren herself, he is naive about how such shows work. But I am not inclined to give him the benefit of any ignorance -- this is more of his vendetta against Maddow.
I have long thought that Somerby had some personal reason for disliking her, but now I suspect that he attacks her mainly because she is the most popular liberal commentator on MSNBC, so it is part of his portfolio as a stealth-conservative pretending to be liberal, to attack her first among the other liberals he routinely attacks her, on a
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"Across the nation, C-Span viewers with O-positive blood were breathing sighs of relief."
ReplyDeleteA great deal of nonsense gets repeated by C-Span callers. It is almost as if Somerby wants to prohibit the speech of anyone who believes nonsense (as Somerby understands it). But free speech includes freedom to say things that may not be factually correct, or that may be idiotic even, within certain restraints such as slander, inciting to riot, hate speech and public safety (no shouting "fire" in a theater). Beyond that, people are free to state their views, whatever they are. Most of us see that kind of forum as a public good.
Maybe the problem is that Somerby fails to differentiate between an authority, such as the president or a public health official, repeating untruths about covid, and a citizen with no background whatsoever, saying mistaken things. The uproar over Trump's statements has been (1) that they will be taken more seriously because of his office, and (2) that he seems to make no effort to ensure that his statements are correct and thus less harmful if the public believes them. Many of us liberals consider Trump unfit to be president because he does things like that. Somerby, however, seems to be equating the speech of the president with the speech of individual citizens on a call-in line. Even idiots evaluate the source of information, not just its content. Their mistake is in believing that Trump knows what he is talking about.
Thanks, Bob, for reminding me of Art Linkletter's regular segment, "Kids say the Darndest things." A happy nostalgia.
ReplyDeleteThe point of the show was to laugh at the things kids said. But Robert and other adults are not children, and Somerby seems to find despair, not humor, in human behavior. That's kind of sad.
DeleteMy daughter, age 12, once told me in great seriousness that I was "repressing her freedom." It took great will power not to laugh at that, because kids take themselves seriously and don't like to be laughed at. Neither do adults, when they are being serious. Robert would perhaps be angry to read Somerby's use of his words.
But hey, those were the good old days, amirite?
This strikes me as another attack on expertise and education. Somerby would like to imply that Robert believes himself to be immune from covid on the basis of that Danish study, but Somerby has drawn no connection between the study and Robert's sources, and it seems much more likely that he got the idea about immunity from Fox News or one of his personal friends, or perhaps from the internet.
ReplyDeleteThe Danish study is reporting facts as found in their data. It takes a bit of statistics training, which Somerby demonstrably lacks, to understand that the study is not reporting that blood type is protective. That's because, as anyone who has ever taken a stats class had drilled into them, "correlation is not causation."
Certain blood types are more prevalent in certain "races" (a category that is socially, not scientifically defined). In the Danish sample, it may be that the proportions of blood types becoming infected are influenced by the sociology of exposure to covid. In the US, Hispanic and black people are more likely to get covid because they work in jobs that give them greater exposure (e.g., cannot work from home) or have living conditions where covid can spread (greater density neighborhoods or more crowded homes). Those with greater exposure to covid are more likely to be members of minority groups that do not have O blood type. In statistics, this is called a "specious correlation" because a third variable may be responsible for the relationship. In research, it is called a confound -- an uncontrolled variable that prevents drawing strong conclusions about causality of a hypothesized cause.
If Somerby had any clue about stats, he could have explained this. Instead, he pretends that Robert is getting wrong information from experts (such as those in the Danish study, which there is no evidence Robert ever read). Or maybe Somerby thinks the report of the Danish study should have included an explanation about possible confounds (the published paper undoubtedly did), instead of just not stating the conclusion that Somerby thinks Robert took away from it. Somerby doesn't consider the role of middle-men on the right -- those who manufacture anti-mask propaganda for political reasons and use such news tidbits for their own purposes. They don't care about science and they don't care about responsibility for preventing the spread of covid either. They don't care whether Robert gets sick as the result of what they spread in their conservative memes, at rallies and on Facebook. They care about political power and they will use a pandemic to achieve it.
Unfortunately, Somerby is a conservative pawn when he write crap like today's essay. Robert's future health is on his head, when he tries to undermine faith in the statements of public health experts -- yes, they do exist, in cities and counties all over the country. They are getting death threats these days.
When Somerby heard that Robert was in Florida, that should have been everything he needed to know.
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Delete“That said, C-Span lets its callers speak without fear of critique or challenge.”
ReplyDeleteBrawner probably was unaware of the O-positive test results, so she couldn’t rebut it. However, here was a later exchange:
ROBERT: “You cannot just tell people to stay home and do not go nowhere. That is what Biden will probably do, shut down the whole country for a month or whatever...”
BRAWNER: “The president-elect has said he does not endorse a national lockdown. He has answered that question several times.”
And then she played a video clip of Biden speaking about a mask mandate.
No critique or challenge..?
lol
ReplyDeleteROBERT (continuing directly): ... I mean, my whole family's got O-positive, and none of them, they're not even near getting it. I asked other people who have O-positive blood, they're not getting it either. I mean--
But my family, and other families that I talk to who have O-positive, don't even get it... So, you know, I think that's pretty good...
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