WINNERS, LOSERS, ENEMIES, OTHERS: Boylan doesn't understand!

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 2020

Johnson believes he does: In her column in today's New York Times, Jennifer Finney Boylan makes a familiar type of confession.

"For the life of me I have never been able to understand [Republican voters]," she somewhat oddly says. 

Tomorrow, we'll show you the fuller statement we're quoting. For the moment, suffice to say this:

Boylan says she doesn't understand. Professor Johnson seems to believe that he does.

Last Wednesday, November 4, Professor Johnson appeared as a guest on MSNBC's Deadline: White House. Already, it seemed that Candidate Biden was on his way to the White House—but Professor Johnson was disturbed by the election returns.

He seemed to think he understood. Once again, here's the bulk of what he said:

JOHNSON (11/4/20): America, by the slightest of disturbing margins, decided they wanted to pick [Biden].

I am disturbed by the fact that not enough Americans made that decision.

I am disturbed by the fact that you have large numbers of people who are like, "Yeah, a guy who leaves people out in the cold, and a quarter of a million people die of Covid, and harasses women and everything else like that, I want a little bit more of that, and I don't really know if I wanted the other guy." 

So this election really shows me a lot of really disturbing things about this country racially, very disturbing things about this country from a gender standpoint, and I have to say this:

Because if Joe Biden becomes president of the United States—and I hope that he does, because he is not a dictator in the making; he seems to be a decent guy—I will immediately turn around my hat and be excruciatingly critical of him. Because you cannot come into this White House with the idea that these people aren't the enemy. They are.

The people chasing the Biden-Harris truck out of Texas, they are the enemies of democracy.

The people right now attacking vote counters in Detroit, they are the enemy.

Kyle Rittenhouse is the enemy. Mitch McConnell is the enemy. And if there's one thing that Democrats should have finally figured out in this campaign, you can't treat the Republican Party with kid gloves, because they won't treat you that way.

I hope Joe Biden just gave this speech to sound nice because everything isn't locked down yet. Maybe Senator Harris will have this idea should she become vice president.

But they have to go into this realizing they're in a war. The war for the soul of America will not end once he's inaugurated and I hope he remembers that.

Earlier that day, Biden had said, "We have to stop treating our opponents as enemies. We are not enemies." 

Johnson said he hoped that Biden was lying when he said that. Regarding the kid gloves he rejected, he seemed to say that when the others misbehave, we have to misbehave too.

At any rate, the professor had, quite literally, started an enemies list! Were all Trump voters on that list,  70 million strong?

The professor didn't say, nor did anyone ask. The cable program on which he appeared is scripted for complete agreement. Pundit participants are branded as "friends." No statements are challenged or questioned.

On this day, the professor was speaking the language of "enemies" and "war." Should all Trump voters be regarded as enemies? Are we at war with them?

The professor didn't quite say. That said,  major top scholars are telling us that the professor's oration helps us see some basic parts of the prehistoric, all-too-human process of otherization, the prelude to total war.

How do humans, even today, come to believe that they're part of a tribal war in which all the good is within one tribe while the other tribe is all evil?

Consider the examples the professor cited, these credentialed top scholars suggest.

With whom did the professor start when he began defining "these people?" In fact, these ranking scholars note, the professor started like this:

You cannot come into this White House with the idea that these people aren't the enemy. They are.

The people chasing the Biden-Harris truck out of Texas, they are the enemies of democracy.

"These people" are the enemy, the angry professor said.  For his first example, he cited a small group of Trump supporters who came close to forcing a bus off a highway in a recent, dangerous incident.

Those people "are the enemies of democracy," the professor angrily said. For what it's worth, he now had maybe fifty people on his enemies list!

From there, the professor moved to a slightly more imprecise charge as he kept building his list:

The people right now attacking vote counters in Detroit, they are the enemy.

Were vote counters being attacked in Detroit? We'll admit that we still don't know who or what the professor was talking about.

But this is the way the process starts, credentialed experts insist. In the prelude to tribal war, we cite the very worst members of some group. Then we start imagining that all the others are like that.

At this point, the professor named two enemies by name. 

One of these enemies is 17. (In real time, another pundit on this same show had branded him an "assassin." No one had questioned that fiery claim either.)

The professor paired the 17-year-old with one of the country's most powerful political figures. When human groups prepare for war, conjunctions like this will seem to make sense, leading top scholars now say.

Earlier, the professor had offered a more general description of the people with whom he was at war. He seemed to throw everyone into this stew. The people in question had said this:

 "Yeah, Trump leaves people out in the cold, and a quarter of a million people die of Covid, and he harasses women and everything else like that, I want a little bit more of that." 

That's what the others had said.

We think that Trump's approach to the pandemic has been astonishing too. That said, we've read assessments by Trump voters that don't seem completely crazy to us—and it's possible that we understand something the angry professor does not.

Meanwhile, no! We don't think a Trump voter should necessarily have flipped his vote because of that incident with the buses at the Omaha rally. But when we humans start girding for war, everything's all of a piece, we're told. A quarter million people dead equal six buses hung up in traffic.

We liberals have often found it hard to believe that Donald J. Trump has retained so much support. We're inclined to be surprised by that state of affairs too.

Luckily, major scholars have stepped in to offer a wider perspective. Carlotta Valdes has also been present, dreamily recalling the tribal wars of our species' endless past.

It always starts this way, Carlotta has gloomily told us. At one point, she recited from memory the silly talk by the silly Southern boys at the start of Gone With the Wind:

BRENT (1861): What do we care if we were expelled from college, Scarlett? The war is going to start any day now, so we would have left college anyhow.

STEW: Oh, isn't it exciting, Scarlett? You know those poor Yankees actually want a war?

BRENT: We'll show 'em!

SCARLETT: Fiddle-dee-dee. "War, war, war." This war talk is spoiling all the fun at every party this spring...

Amazingly, those Southern boys were even dumber than Scarlett! Brent and Stew were eager for war with the others. A few years later, the cameras pull back to show us Atlanta in ruins.

Should Biden see himself at war? Should he form a list?

Most significantly, should Trump's voters be on that list? Did they all try to drive that bus off the road? Are they all as problematic as McConnell is?

The scholars had one basic point they wanted us to grasp. It's this:

When we start to align ourselves for tribal war, we humans are inclined to do what Professor Johnson did. We're inclined to picture the very worst of those we oppose, then let them stand in for the rest.

In this way, we construct "those people," The Others, some 70 million strong. And in fact, it's even worse than that! As Kate Cohn notes in the Washington Post, another 80 million people didn't even bother to vote! Should they be the enemy too?

Should all Trump voters be otherized? Are they all deplorables?

Tomorrow, we'll return to Nebraska with the New York Times in search of provisional answers. We'll examine the way the world appears to some of the others. We may even briefly consider their silly complaints about us!

(Concerning the work of the Times itself, we'll also offer a different perspective on that (alleged) Nebraska arson fire. Did our brilliant tribe's most brilliant newspaper maybe get hoaxed again?)

Last Wednesday afternoon, the professor was creating an enemies list. As we humans have done since the dawn of time, he was assembling the others.

 Yesterday, Margaret Renkl seemed to do something similar. The 71 million who voted for Trump "aren't going anywhere," she said. "And it’s not remotely clear what the rest of us can do about any of that."

Tomorrow, we'll start with Boylan's fuller statement—and we'll have a suggestion for Renkl. In fairness, though, we ought to say this:

For at least a decade, we've been noting the possibility that it's already too late!

Tomorrow: We're back in Nebraska again


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  1. "Tomorrow, we'll show you the fuller statement we're quoting."

    Why tomorrow? Why not today? Why not allow us to understand the quoted statement in its context?

    This kind of cutsie teasing is dishonest and unfair to the person Somerby is criticizing today, and those he has treated similarly in the past.

    It is one of the reasons I am very glad not to know Somerby in real life.

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  2. Johnson has the luxury of having an enemies list (I am not convinced that this is what his paragraphs imply), because he is not in charge of our government, as Biden will be. Biden was elected president of all Americans, not just the ones who voted for him. Trump never understood that and actively tried to harm those who voted against him. Biden has said he will not do that. Johnson is not a person with the power to harm anyone, so he can say whatever he wants about his person feelings about Republicans.

    I do not understand Republicans either. I also do not understand Bernie voters or those who voted for Nader, or those who supported Jill Stein (after her sponsored trip to the USSR) or most of my neighbors, who continue to vote for incompetent or harmful candidates for poor reasons.

    I do not understand Somerby. He should have helped Biden during the last campaign but instead he continued his crusade on behalf of Republican interests, while claiming to be liberal. Who does that? Someone dishonest, certainly, but what can someone who does this be thinking?

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    1. I don't understand 17 year old kids who take guns to a peaceful protest and shoot three people. I don't understand a man who talks about that 17 year old as if he were an innocent, when he shot those people in cold blood and there is video to prove it. I don't understand the folks who are making that cold-blooded killer into a martyr or hero of their movement.

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  3. Actually, I don't care how many people voted for Trump. They are enemies of Democracy. I come from a working class background myself and can't believe how stupid people choose to be. The like their resentments, even as they take their country into a ---hole.

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  4. "For at least a decade, we've been noting the possibility that it's already too late!"

    Somerby isn't part of the side that supported Biden and wants a peaceful transition.

    Somerby is part of the side that put Trump into office. He has been repeating conservative memes here throughout Trump's time in office. Somerby repeats his affinity for those 70 million wrong voters, the ones who have sold our country down the river for a handful of beans.

    Somerby should be ashamed of himself for trying to climb onto the life raft among Biden supporters, when he is the one who helped create this deluge of political uncertainty.

    Somerby is such an asshole.

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  5. Boylan's article is behind the NYTimes paywall so I cannot read it.

    I believe that Republican voters may be difficult to understand because they don't have any coherent philosophy or values beyond winning. And they will apparently do anything to win, even support someone like Trump, even make claims that are destructive to our system, even support policies that are destructive to our nation.

    It may be right to characterize this as a conflict between those who want to win and will use any method, and those who are voting interests or values or programs and policies or personality characteristics of specific candidates.

    Somerby wants to use war, as if it were not a metaphor. He pretends that we will wind up with Atlanta in flames if we oppose Republicans and call them our enemies. But we (i.e., those who oppose such Republicans) have limits to what we will do in the name of politics. I do not believe Republicans have such limits. So, when Somerby invokes war, he perhaps means war, while the rest of us do not. And that is what is meant when we say that Republicans are eager for another Civil War. They WILL take it to the streets. We stop at peaceful protesting. They think we are sitting ducks for their 17 year olds to do target practice on. And that is why Johnson implores Biden not to be too nice, to wake up and oppose those who will stop at nothing to win.

    Johnson is scared. So am I and so are the many others of us who do not understand this lack of restraint among Republicans. Somerby's use of violence as metaphor doesn't help calm our fears. Somerby's eagerness to excuse Kyle Rittenhouse is abhorrent, and one more thing that scares us. But we need to understand that Somerby is not one of us. Somerby is Brent and Stew, hungry for action, eager for a conflagration, so he can call it Mr. Trump's War and say proudly, I warned you about this, even while he has helped to bring it on.

    Somerby should be ashamed of himself, but like all other Republicans, he has no shame, because if he did, he couldn't sacrifice every value to winning.

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  6. Biden has now pulled ahead by over 5 million popular votes, and they are still counting. His lead is bigger than Obama's and bigger than any margin since FDR. And it is still growing. Predictions are that Biden may wind up with a 7 million margin by the time vote counting is finished.

    Somerby keeps whining about those 70 million, as if that were more than the overwhelming majority who have rejected Trump in no uncertain terms. Trump is a loser and so are his supporters. There is no need to understand them or try to placate them or do anything except continue with our peaceful transition and ignore Trump's loser tantrums (and those of his supporters). They lost, they need to get over it.

    Somerby pretends that if Democrats didn't win every race by definitive amounts, then Democrats are the losers and we need to analyze what happened. No. When these races are certified, Biden will have won 306 Electoral College votes and Trump will have nowhere close to enough to claim a close finish. Trump will be a definitive loser, not a close one. Trump will be toast (as he is now, whether he admits it or not). Eventually, Trump will be gone.

    Why? Because if Trump finds a way to stay in office, our democratic government is over. I do not believe that 77+ million people will allow those 70 million to destroy our nation. Trump will be stopped and he will go to jail and the Republicans will have to abandon dreams of dictatorship, and some of them may go to jail (if they take this further than legal remedies), and quite a few white supremacist jackoffs and militia morons are already doing.

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  7. "Tomorrow, we'll return to Nebraska with the New York Times in search of provisional answers. We'll examine the way the world appears to some of the others. We may even briefly consider their silly complaints about us!"

    Maybe there are some NY Times staff with relatives in Nebraska, who they want to visit on the paper's dime? It isn't as if Nebraska were a swing state. Why else does anyone care about interviewing folks in Nebraska?

    Somerby used to claim that such interviews were solely intended to make NY Times readers feel superior to the hicks. Why isn't he claiming that now? Today, he seems to be advocating for greater understanding of Nebraskans. Which is it, Somerby? Personally, I think we might gain greater understanding of Nebraska by reading Nebraska newspapers. Too much work for you, Somerby?

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  8. Kevin Drum asks:

    "Why does Donald Trump suddenly want a bunch of loyalists in charge of the Pentagon? It’s a little hard to come up with benign answers, isn’t it?"

    Here are some non-coup answers:

    1. He wants revenge against pentagon staff who have opposed him in his requests during his term.

    2. Some of those people are loyal to Esper and resigned in protest.

    3. Trump is rewarding his operatives by giving them high-paying permanent, non-political jobs before he leaves office.

    4. Trump still wants to prevent the names of military bases from being changed and hopes these staff appointments will block that effort, now being considered by Congress.

    5. Trump has made promises to Russia and other foreign allies about weapons sales or deployments that he wants to make sure are not undone by Biden after Biden takes office.

    6. Trump has clandestine arrangements with weapons manufacturers, security companies, mercenaries, etc., for kickbacks and contracts, that he doesn't want to have derailed by Biden.

    7. Trump has promised such contracts to various providers in exchange for previous help (such as campaign contributions) and is putting these folks in place in order to fulfill those promises. This one is admittedly unlikely since Trump is willing to stiff people, but maybe these folks are too powerful to stiff, or he still wants something from them.

    8. Trump is still trying to "own the libs" by doing things he knows we will be upset about. These are appointments that require congressional approval and he knows they are unlikely to be approved, so maybe it is just a last FU.

    9. Maybe he can't stand to look these former cronies in the eye, knowing that they know what a huge loser he is, so he is moving them to the pentagon to keep them out of his way.

    10. Some of these people worked with Rudy Giuliani. Maybe this is a payoff to Rudy for his help with the Ukraine and other ratfucks. He is simply taking care of Rudy's guys. You can also substitute the name Devin for Rudy.

    I don't believe Trump is smart enough to devise a coup. I also think he is tired and looking forward to not having to do this job any more. It is not unusual for 74 year old men in poor health to be greedy, but it is unusual for them to be ambitious, to take on new projects. This may all be part of a larger scheme to keep himself out of jail (using his loyalists) and that may be why he is paying off cronies with jobs. He may have greater latitude to do this via the pentagon than using other government agencies (maybe salaries are higher there, for example). Or perhaps he is killing multiple birds with one stone. We will know in a few months.

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  9. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/11/11/1995040/-Michael-Harriot-at-The-Root-has-something-to-say-about-GOP-voters-and-it-s-not-reach-out-to-them

    Harriot at The Root may have fired Johnson for his remark about misfit black girls, but he apparently agrees with Johnson's attitude toward Trump voters.

    So do I. Especially the comment that "If you could reason with Trump voters, there wouldn't be any Trump voters."

    I have tried reasoning with my friends who voted for Trump. Their reasons have nothing to do with facts or logic or even relationship (I have begged them, as a friend). But Somerby never says what we are supposed to do beyond that. "Understanding" them changes nothing.

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  10. TDH: "Should all Trump voters be otherized? Are they all deplorables?"

    Should all Jonestown participants be otherized? Was their behavior deplorable?

    Both followers of Jim Jones and followers of Donald Trump gave approval to behavior that produced unnecessary mass death. People like Herman Cain even participated in suiciding himself to prove his loyalty to his mass-cult leader. If this kind of behavior cannot be otherized, please tell us Bob, what kind can?

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