OTHERS: Why did people vote for Trump?

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2022

Biden disappoints Blow: Why did people vote for Donald J. Trump?

We have no idea. That said, back in November 2020, 74 million people did. You'd have to ask them why they voted that way—and they wouldn't all say the same thing.

In our view, Donald J. Trump was the worst presidential candidate ever. Those others didn't agree with our view. As a matter of basic principle, we respect them as neighbors and friends—and as fellow citizens. 

We disagree with the way those people cast their votes—but then, they disagree with the way we cast ours! Some of us people respect other people. Quite a few of us people just don't.

At any rate, what do Trump voters think today? Last Saturday night, the Atlantic's Elaine Godfrey made an attempt to find out. 

Godfrey attended Donald Trump's rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. While there, she spoke with various supporters of Trump, including the ones who said this:

GODFREY (9/5/22): Trump is back at the forefront of American politics, just two months ahead of the midterm elections. This time, the former president is in a strange new position: He’s backed into a corner by legal trouble. And his ever-loyal fans have joined him in a defensive crouch. “We came because of the Mar-a-Lago raid,” Mike Rutherford, a truck driver from East Stroudsburg, told me. He sat near the stage in a folding chair alongside his wife, Pat. “We’re here to support him,” Pat said, nodding. “I can’t believe how brave that man is.”

For the record, that isn't our own basic view. 

Of course, depending on where you get your "news" in our segregated news environment, you can be encouraged to think a wide array of things about a wide array of topics. With perhaps a hint of condescension, Godfrey extended her reporting:

GODFREY: The Trump fans I’d spoken with earlier, standing near the Dippin’ Dots ice-cream stall and in line for Chickie’s & Pete’s chicken cutlets, all had his back. “It’s politically motivated,” Jim Shaw, a barber from New Milford, told me when I asked what he made of the search at Mar-a-Lago. “If Donald Trump wasn’t looking like he was the [leading] Republican candidate for president, I don’t think it would have happened.” Every one of the dozen or so people I talked with offered some defense of the former president: The search was a setup; the evidence was planted; Biden’s DOJ was trampling on Trump’s constitutional rights to keep him from running for office again.

I detected a touch of desperation in many people’s responses—a sense that, if Trump-endorsed candidates don’t win in November, America as they know it will cease to exist. Here in northeast Pennsylvania—just 20 miles down the road from Biden’s hometown—was a gathering of people not just pessimistic about the future of the country under his leadership, but deeply fearful too. “At this point right now, I’m worried about being targeted by the FBI because I’m a Christian, I’m conservative,” Pat Rutherford said. “I know they won’t find anything, but I am going to need a lawyer to prove I am innocent.” The DOJ “is like a militia for the Democrats,” Linda Hess, from Selinsgrove, told me. “I think our First Amendment rights are basically gone as conservatives. I really do.”

"Trump and his loyalists are eager to fan these fears," Godfrey now said. This helps introduce one of the world's most basic distinctions—the eternal distinction between the misleaders and the misled.

As they stood near the Dippin’ Dots stand and the Chickie’s & Pete’s, these barbers and truck drivers gave voice to various views which arguably have been derived from "fanned fears"—and from misinformation. 

Our own blue world often runs on the fuel of misinformation too. But very few public figures in American history have produced crazy claims to the extent that Donald Trump has, and he has had plenty of help from Republican leadership cadres—from groups of high-ranking "MAGA Republicans."

He's had help from the gaggle of undisguised Crazies—from Giuliani, Powell and Flynn. He's had help from the Republican senators who refuse to push back in public against his relentlessly unfounded and ludicrous claims.

By and large, barbers who stand near Dippin' Dots stands believe that the last election was stolen. Within our segregated news and information culture, they hear this claim again and again, then again and again—and they don't hear it contradicted.

Republican senators know that this claim is ludicrous, crazy, bogus. The barbers near the Dippin' Dots stand believe that the statement is true. 

They also know that they'll be mocked for being barbers standing near Dippin' Dots stands. Our blue tribe culture has frequently functioned that way, going back a great many years.

As our political world has fallen apart in recent years, many people have conspired to mislead the misled. 

For ourselves, we regard Donald J. Trump as being so disordered that we aren't sure what he actually may believe. That said, the United States Senate is full of people who know that these "stop the steal" claims are clownishly false.

They know these claims are clownishly bogus, but they refuse to say so.

President Biden could have named some of their names when he gave his blood-red speech on Thursday, September 1. He could have described their conduct when he gave the several speeches which preceded it. 

Instead, he spoke in sweeping terms as he made blood-red accusations. He failed to distinguish between the Republican Party's leadership cadres and the GOP rank and file.

It's a form of kicking down. Dating back many decades, members of our own blue tribe have often seemed to relish the unhelpful practice.

Starting on August 25, we were troubled by a toxic combination—by the vehemence of Biden's descriptions, matched with his refusal to say, with any clarity, who he was talking about. 

This past Monday, on Labor Day, he began to walk his rhetoric back. He began to signal that he was mainly discussing the GOP's rancid leadership cadres, rather than the masses of the misled. 

Tomorrow, we'll show you what he said. We'll also cite Charles Blow, who made a point of saying that he prefers to loathe the entire 74 million. 

Charles Blow is a good, decent person, but he's inclined to loathe Others en masse. This longing is deeply bred in the bone, and it's how nations come apart.

A barber stood near the Dippin' Dots stand. The lesser angels of our blue tribe's nature have had a strong tendency, for a very long time, to proceed unwisely from there. 

The Others can see us when we do this. This constitutes one of the ways large nations come undone, fall apart.

Tomorrow: Biden and Blow

Full disclosure: We lost a lot of time this morning. For that reason, we're stretching things out.


52 comments:


  1. tl;dr
    "Why did people vote for Donald J. Trump? We have no idea."

    Why, perhaps the best economy in 60 year, the highest real household income in history, no new wars, and general sanity and honesty had something to do with it?

    Whaddya think, dear Bob?

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    1. If you aren't going to read Somerby's essays, then you have no basis for commenting here.

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    2. Love that Trump economy, do you pig boy? Deficit busting tax hand outs to billionaires kind of blows your cover as a
      working class hero.

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  2. "At any rate, what do Trump voters think today? Last Saturday night, the Atlantic's Elaine Godfrey made an attempt to find out. "

    There is no reason to be continually asking Trump voters what they think. It isn't as though Atlantic were the first publication to think that interviewing Trumpies is a spiffy idea. NY Times does it obsessively, and there is always that C-Span call-in show, if we really want to know. But what is the point of this exercise? It isn't as if they were disagreeing over issues that could result in meaningful legislative compromise, and it isn't even as if they have legitimate grievances. They don't. Mostly it results in finding out their thinking is worse than expected, which is depressing. And it nearly always reveals the impossibility of changing their minds about Trump.

    So, why does Somerby return obsessively to this subject? Beats me. There is no benefit to liberals to indulging Trump voters by pretending their opinions have any valid kernal of wisdom, pretending they have points to make, when their leader is morally bankrupt and has proven his incompetence. There are so many more important things that Somerby could be talking about here, at this supposedly liberal blog.

    Note that Somerby today pretends that he might not have voted for Trump, without actually saying so.

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    1. This blog only exists to spew hate onto those that are not right wingers.

      Somerby is an angry bitter old man, who long lost the ability to influence or educate anyone.

      Everything Somerby writes is towards his personal empty goal of manufacturing ignorance; having said that, it is pretty obvious that, broadly speaking, Trump fans do not believe much of the right wing nonsense their cohort hustle in, it is just a weapon they use to advance their goal of dominance through oppression.

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  3. I mean the quotes themselves reveal the people interviewed as deeply stupid, or more politely misguided. Are we supposed to really respect this level of stupidity? I get that we're unfortunately stuck with these morons, but it's hard to know how to feel about them or what to do about them.

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    1. Pointedly, Somerby never really says what constitutes "respect" towards those "misled", other than that journalists should avoid language that could be interpreted, or misinterpreted, as condescension. What a mensch this Somerby, what would we do without him!

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  4. "Every one of the dozen or so people I talked with offered some defense of the former president: The search was a setup; the evidence was planted; Biden’s DOJ was trampling on Trump’s constitutional rights to keep him from running for office again."

    News Flash!!! Trump supporters are still listening to Fox and other right wing news sources.

    News Flash!!! Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his supporters wouldn't care.

    So what? Why is this so important that Somerby has given it pride of place on his blog today? Trump has die-hard supporters. Who knew?

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  5. Don't know if you would see this column giving a different take on the FBI raid of Mar-a-Largo.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/fbi-raid-mar-a-lago-trump-russiagate-lee-smith

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    1. Believing lies is no excuse for lawbreaking by the president.

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    2. It’s interesting Bob says he does not think many of these people actually believe the things they say in Trump’s behalf, they are, it would seem, liars. In the next breath Bob is demonizing President Biden.

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    3. Manafort gave polling data about swing states to Russian spies who used it to steal the election with Facebook ads.

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    4. From the article: "And proof of the president’s treachery, chant the priestly keepers of the “collusion” mysteries, will soon be revealed to the public."

      Collusion was proved in the bipartisan Mueller report.

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    5. There are some verifiable assertions at the linked source:

      "The story of the Mar-a-Lago raid begins at the end of Trump’s presidency, when he declassified documents related to Russiagate."

      There is no record whatsoever of Trump declassifying documents, related to Russiagate or anything else pertaining to the items stored at Mar a Lago. Declassifying documents involves a process and paperwork. Further, Trump cannot unilaterally declassify some categories of documents he took, and there is no evidence or testimony that the necessary other personnel were involved in declassifying them, as required by law.

      So, this foundational assertion is shown by evidence to be incorrect. When evidence does not support a statement, and in fact disconfirms it, it cannot be considered true.

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    6. There's no way it could be true. How could it ever be true?

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    7. Papadopoulos was openly sharing internal polling data with the KGB.

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    8. 4:33 only an infantile person would dismiss corruption, or mock concern over corruption. I am sorry you are so wounded, I wish there was some way to help you, you poor sad lost soul. To make matters worse you have failed miserably in your effort to persuade anyone of your nonsense, which only wounds you more deeply. Life for you must be such a deep dark chasm of pain and misery.

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    9. @8:44. gibberish & psychobabble

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  6. "I’m worried about being targeted by the FBI because I’m a Christian, I’m conservative,” Pat Rutherford said. “I know they won’t find anything, but I am going to need a lawyer to prove I am innocent.”

    This viewpoint reflects what psychologists call gradiosity. This person imagines themselves to be so important that they would be targeted by the FBI, despite having nothing for them to find.

    Deep down, we all feel that we ourselves are the most important person, the center of the universe. But we also know we are not that important in the grander scheme of things. Letting this overimportance take over our thinking to the point of actual fearfulness about being targeted is a symptom of mental illness, akin to paranoia.

    Somerby keeps saying that Trump is crazy. It may be that the craziest of Trump's followers are the ones who are least put-off by his symptoms, because they mirror their own mental and emotiona disorder. Trump clearly believes that he is the center of everything and that whatever he wants, he should get. Maybe that is how all of these Trump supporters feel too, and it may be the reason why they too consider laws unimportant when it comes to putting their guy back on the throne. And, after all, Trump promises them whatever they want. The question is why they don't realize that he never delivers?

    Finding out that people who are still strongly motivated to attend Trump rallies, despite everything that has happened, may be mentally ill, is no big revelation. It is fairly predictable. But I don't think Somerby is urging us to respect them in their illness. No person who uses the word "crazy" to talk about the mentally ill, is truly respectful of those people who are suffering from mental and emotional disorders. Crazy is like the n-word, to mental health practitioners. So, what is Somerby's game? I think he may be another of the Trump true believers, because none of them has worked as hard as Somerby has to redeem Trump's atrocities. And I don't believe Somerby didn't vote for Trump. He would never vote for Hillary, as much as he dislikes women, and Bernie wasn't on the ballot.

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    1. To be fair, what party or president ever really "delivers"?

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    2. Biden has done a lot of delivering recently, which is why his approval ratings has increased. In contrast, Trump delivered for the upper classes and corporations with a tax decrease, but he didn't give his followers much else, except entertainment and validation of their bigotries.

      So, to be fair, there are degrees of delivering that should be kept in mind when voting for candidates.

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  7. "As they stood near the Dippin’ Dots stand and the Chickie’s & Pete’s"

    Here is the source of Somerby's outrage. He thinks that descriptions of Southern or rural America, despite being accurate, are intended to be disparaging. That's why he repeats this phrase about the Dippin' Dots over and over in today's essay.

    But Dippin Dots and Chickie's & Pete's were actually there on the scene. Should the author have lied and said she was interviewing people outside Musso & Frank's? If the Atlantic author had repeated the Dots multiple times, then Somerby might have a point about big city attitudes toward hicks (even though Wilkes-Barre PA is not a Southern or hick town), but it is Somerby who repeats it, accusing the author of something she did not do. But Somerby's goal today is to blame us all for having bias against Trump supporters, instead of disliking them for good reasons.

    Then Somerby pretends that Trump supporters have never had the opportunity to hear that Trump's Stop the Steal was a big lie. They have TV sets. They know there were hearings going on. They could have chosen to watch them, but either didn't watch, or chose to disbelieve the many Republicans giving testimony under oath (on the Bible no less). Do these strong Christians place so little value on such an oath by another Christian? Apparently so. There is no longer any excuse for ignorance about what Trump did on 1/6, whether he won the election or not, and his theft of classified documents. If these Trump supporters refuse to be educated, we do not have to respect them for making wrong choices. I won't even waste time pitying them, because they are hurting our country with their obstinacy.

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    1. "Chickie’s & Pete’s is an American bar and restaurant business privately owned and headquartered in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. " Wikipedia

      This description of the food makes Trump's rally sound like a state fair or sports venue, because that is the kind of food they have there -- hot dogs and ice cream and deep fried stuff, and local delicacies.

      Why is Somerby criticizing an author for mentioning a uniquely Pennsylvanian restaurant chain in an article about a rally held in PA?

      Seems like Somerby has developed kind of a thin skin about such stuff. Now an author cannot even mention that a Trump supporter is a barber, without being accused of maligning who? Barbers? Dippin Dot lovers? Not sure what the problem is that Somerby is zeroing in on today.

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    2. Somerby is "virtue signaling" his deep connection to the "real Americans" us coastal elites despise. Don't you get it?

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  8. "Instead, he spoke in sweeping terms as he made blood-red accusations."

    Gosh, how poetic Somerby has become. But could the use of the phrase "blood red accusations" be loaded language and thus propagandistic? Just asking.

    Odd how conservatives are so easily triggered by red lighting. What is that all about? Curious Freudians want to know.

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  9. "Tomorrow, we'll show you what he said. We'll also cite Charles Blow, who made a point of saying that he prefers to loathe the entire 74 million.

    Charles Blow is a good, decent person, but he's inclined to loathe Others en masse. This longing is deeply bred in the bone, and it's how nations come apart."

    Somerby maligned Blow yesterday, teasing a report on him today. Today, he deepens his own loathing with more accusations, promising evidence tomorrow. This is how Somerby slimes people. He calls them names, then casually forgets to tell us why or provide any evidence to support his claims. So too with Blow. We may or may not hear anything tomorrow, but meanwhile everyone is on notice that Blow is a bad guy (despite being good and decent) in unspecified ways that mostly add up to Somerby disliking him.

    Did I mention that Charles Blow is bisexual and African American? Many of Somerby's favorite targets are members of minority groups being targeted by conservatives these days. This is especially true of the ones he teases future essays about, says nasty things, and then sort of forgets to return to in the next days. The last one was an African American female journalist, and he never did tell us what irritated him about her writing.

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    1. Longing to loathe is "deeply bred in the bone"? Is Somerby suggesting that African Americans are haters? Sounds like it.

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  10. "He failed to distinguish between the Republican Party's leadership cadres and the GOP rank and file."

    This is a lie that Somerby has repeated several times now.

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    1. Some of the rank and file are both MAGA Trump supporters and people who denied the validity of the 2020 presidential election and used violence to try to keep Trump in power. Those who were caught and identified have been tried (or pleaded guilty) and are in jail. Biden is right to call such people out.

      When rank and file participate in crimes in support of MAGA and Trump, they too are a threat to our Democracy. Biden specifically excepted those who are not guilty of participating in such crimes, not MAGA Trump supporters, and not trying to undermine democracy. But that category does not include all GOP rank and file, just as it does not include all Republican leadership cadres (whatever that means to Somerby). Biden singled out the wrongdoers by their actions, not their membership in any social class or Republican hierarchy. He was right to do that and Somerby is wrong to say that his approach is better, when it is less precise about exactly who is undermining democracy.

      Somerby's main complaint is that Biden didn't say the same words he, Somerby, might have said. But Biden is the president, knows what he meant, and said what he meant, and that is apparently not the same as what Somerby believes. Somerby seems to be saying that GOP rank and file are all innocent, even though they include Proud Boys and seditious conspirators and folks making bomb threats at black colleges and those making death threats to election workers and teachers. They are not innocent because they are rank and file and eat Dippin' Dots. They are guilty or innocent on the basis of their deeds, not their beliefs.

      Somerby seems close to saying that if someone truly believes the election was stolen (because they are deaf, blind and dumb when it comes to Trump), then they too are innocent. That isn't an excuse for misdeeds, and I myself consider one of the most serious of those misdeeds to be continuing to support the criminal Trump with money and attendance at his rallies. YMMV

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    2. Dippin’ Dots sound delish.

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  11. Today Digby describes an article by Jonathan Chait who discusses Geoffrey Berman's account of the ways in which Trump used the DOJ to attack his enemies and protect his cronies:

    https://digbysblog.net/2022/09/09/trump-abused-his-power-and-bill-barr-helped/

    Our constitution demands equal treatment for all under the law. When a president uses his office to demand that the DOJ punish certain people for political reasons, that violates the constitution and subverts democracy. Trump demanded this, but Bill Barr went along with it, as described by Berman via Chait.

    We have all heard Trump call for the DOJ to persecute certain people using the legal system. It is what "lock her up" is all about, at Trump's rallies.

    There is thus an irony when a Trump supporter expresses fear that the DOJ will execute a search warrant on his home, find nothing, but he nevertheless may need to hire a lawyer. That's what Trump did to others, so I guess this rank and file Trump supporter thinks it is OK when Trump does it, but not OK when Biden's politically independent (because Biden believes in democracy) DOJ does it. This supporter is so confused about how justice works that he thinks any president can and will persecute the innocent. It may be why he doesn't recognize that Trump was searched because he is guilty and a criminal, not becausehe was a Republican president. This is, to me, a shocking lack of belief in democracy on the part of a rank and file Trump supporter, but it differentiates Trump supporters from other rank and file Republicans, who might dislike Democrats but doesn't assume Democrats will abuse their office to persecute the innocent, as Trump did (according to Berman).

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    1. "What is perhaps most notable is the conclusions the relevant Republican actors have drawn from the experience. The Republican Establishment has decided Barr is a hero. Trump has decided he needed an attorney general even more loyal than Barr. And virtually the entire GOP believes the Justice Department is currently being corrupted, and that Merrick Garland is only investigating Trump’s stolen documents because Joe Biden wants to help the Democratic midterm campaign."

      And this is why innocent rank and file Republicans believe they can be targeted too, if Democrats get into office at any level. And Trump is telling them this explicitly too.

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    2. 1:55 & 2:03

      A classic example of the Law of Conservative Whining:

      "Every conservative accusation is a confession"

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  12. Could Bob find a conservative publication that visited a Biden event in search of Democratic views, and then published a piece that was this sympathetic? Whatever.
    How did the Press, right and left, REALLY
    perform during the Trump years, while the Right
    Clearly misled it’s viewers, did the lazy snark of the left play into Trump’s hands? Why was Bob Barr not asked about Trump’s lies concerning the 2016 election, to throw out on example.
    Bob had a lot to work with there, but job one was always condescending to team left at “The Daily Howler.”

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  13. According to this article by Steve M. at No More Mister Nice Blog, Republicans are thinking about Biden's speech as an attempt to criminalize being a Republican.

    "Last week, right-wing commentator Matt Taibbi told readers of his Substack that President Biden, in his Philadelphia speech, "sure sounded like a man preparing to criminalize Trumpism." Today, FrontPage Magazine's Daniel Greenfield warns of "The Coming Outlawing of the Republican Party":
    Republicans want to hold the majority and co-exist with Democrats, while Democrats, under the influence of the Left, want to eliminate Republicans.

    This fundamental difference between the two sides was on display during Biden’s fascist rant in Philadelphia where he denounced half the country as a threat to democracy.
    Greenfield's evidence is a court ruling affecting precisely one (1) Republican officeholder, a New Mexico county commissioner and convicted January 6 insurrectionist who has now been removed from office under a provision of the Fourteenth Amendment prescribing that penalty for those who have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against the United States government. Prior to his removal, the commissioner, Couy Griffin, showed his respect for democracy by refusing to certify the results of the county's primary election this year, even under a court order, citing no reason to doubt their accuracy except "my gut feeling and my own intuition."

    The message being sent to Republicans is that they'll all be put in camps soon by the fascist supervillain Joe Biden (who apparently is no longer an addle-pated dementia sufferer)."

    This is why it concerns me when Somerby attacks Biden instead of Trump, claiming that Biden is using too broad a brush and not differentiating sufficiently among Republicans. It echoes the "criminalizing Republicans" claim that is the latest conservative meme. Those on the right consider Republican to be equivalent to MAGA Trump supporter, so they consider Biden's complaint about the Trump lawbreakers to be equivalent to a war on all Republicans (Liz Cheney and Mitt are not Republicans to them). So the right is claiming that Biden has attacked all Republicans, which is pretty much what Somerby is complaining about too -- not distinguishing the leadership cadres from rank and file -- e.g., targeting ALL Republicans.

    On the left, we know that Biden was talking about only those Republicans who are warping democracy to gain power. But perhaps we should take the Republicans at their word and accept that there are no Republicans who would support democracy over their party interest. But notice again how well Somerby advances the Republican talking point that attacking one of them (such as Trump) means attacking all of them, including rank and file.

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  14. Just to remind everyone what Biden said:

    "And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people.

    They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself."

    Recall that just last seek Trump, again, demanded that he be reinstated as president, not in 2024, but because of the 2020 election.

    You cannot be a rank and file supporter of Trump without denying that he lost the election, because that is what Trump now stands for. And that is anti-democratic.

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  15. “Why did people vote for Trump? We have
    no idea.”
    Even if you a media critic who refuses
    the critique the right media (95% of the
    time anyway) that’s a startling admission.

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  16. We do not have to respect wrong beliefs and ideas, only the right of the person expressing them to continue to do so. The wrong beliefs can and should be challenged. As Silke-Maria Weinkeck writes in Chronicle of High Education:

    "Whatever our faculty members tweet or retweet, public colleges as institutions have, by and large, proceeded as if the current GOP remained worthy of respect and good-faith engagement. And to be sure, not every Republican supports right-wing extremism. Without a doubt, we owe our conservative students an environment in which they can thrive without fear of repercussions based on their convictions. We must respect the results of democratic elections, even if they serve us a regent who calls the female leaders of the state “witches” and jokes about burning them at the stake.

    Similarly, as a liberal institution [college, small-l liberal] beholden to a pluralism of ideas, we must uphold Republicans’ right to hold the opinions they do. As my university puts it, “the belief that an opinion is pernicious, false, or in any other way detestable cannot be grounds for its suppression.” But to respect the right to hold pernicious, false, or detestable opinions is not the same as respecting the opinions themselves. The university’s very mission, after all, is to test the plausibility of opinions. As we know, it is very difficult to find the right answer to most questions that matter, but it is less of a challenge to identify wrong ones. As Bertolt Brecht wrote: “It is not [scholarship’s] goal to open a door to infinite wisdom but to erect a barrier to infinite error.”

    I think that Somerby is confusing disrespect for ideas with disrespect for people. His main evidence of that today is that someone mentioned there was a Dippin Dot stand near where interviews at a Trump rally were conducted. I don't see that as much of an insult, perhaps because I too like Dippin Dots, but the beliefs of those people who were interviewed are despicable, pathetic, and wrong and we have the right to say so without being accused of disrespecting the rights of others. No one called for Trump rallies to be banned, for example. But these are pernicious beliefs being spread at such rallies, and by the interviews with Trumpies appearing in magazines such as Atlantic. There is no real social question to be answered by interviewing such folks, yet again.

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  17. There are lines that civilization must not cross. Supporting Trump for any reason is one of the lines.

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  18. People voted for Trump because they didn't want to give up their right to self defense to the party of mentally ill angry single women and gay men, that kills babies by the millions and wants to castrate, groom, and sterilize children.

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  19. Biden, like Obama, is being too nice. The GOP has been harming innocent people since Nixon, and no criticism is unfair, if one knows the historical record.

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  20. "Biden disappoints Blow"

    Somerby mindreads Blow. I doubt he is disappointed at all by Biden.

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  21. The DOJ thinks Trump may still be holding more classified documents.

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  22. Under the heading "media priorities" Taegan Goddard reports:

    "ABC, NBC, and CBS are all covering King Charles’s first speech.

    None of them carried President Biden’s primetime speech about the ongoing threats to American democracy."

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    1. No one wants to see that frightening cretin screech and wail divisive propaganda on a bizarre riefenstahlian set.

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    2. 8:31,
      How true. If there is anything we learned from the Donald J. Trump Presidency, it's that NO ONE loves a spectacle.
      LOL.

      Troll harder, chump.

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    3. Whataboutism is your response?

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    4. The premise is that the United States is a “democracy.” It is no such thing: a vast swath of empirical literature shows that majority public opinion is consistently trumped by concentrated wealth and power – and by an elections, party, and policy system that is tilted far to the right of the citizenry – on one issue after another in “the world’s greatest democracy.”

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    5. You are wrong Greg. Democracy is the model for our government, despite problems implementing it. That is in our Constitution.

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  23. "Why Did People Vote for Trump?"

    Der. His naked bigotry and white grievance gives them the tingles.

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  24. I also know why people voted for Trump. They are stupid and ignorant.

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  25. Trump voters aren't monolithic.
    Most Trump voters did it for the bigotry, but the media did it for the corporate tax breaks.

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