THURSDAY, DECEMBER 7, 2023
Also, a painful profile: We'll start with a pair of questions we asked in yesterday's post. With renewed apologies for the need to ask, our questions went like this:
Have people on the Harvard campus been "calling for the genocide of the Jewish people?"
If that's been happening at Harvard, why haven't we seen the videotape of such remarkable conduct?
We asked those questions after watching (some) videotape from Tuesday's congressional hearing about antisemitism on college campuses. In particular, we'd watched the videotape which was aired during an inexcusable, deeply unhelpful segment on yesterday's Morning Joe.
For our money, the program's behavior has been appalling this week, right on through today.
In the excerpts shown on yesterday's Morning Joe, Rep. Elise Stefanik is shown asking the presidents of Harvard and Penn if calls for the genocide of the Jewish people violate their schools' codes of conduct. If you watch the Morning Joe tape, the first question Stefanik asks is this:
"And Dr. Gay, at Harvard, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment? Yes or no?"
Harvard's president, Claudine Gay, offers a fuzzy reply. She doesn't say yes and she doesn't say no—but that's the question Stefanik has asked.
Yesterday, we continued to wonder. Have people on the Harvard campus really been calling for the genocide of Jews?
In search of an answer, we watched the relevant sections of C-Span's tape of the hearing. As we did, we learned what Stefanik actually had in mind as she kept asking such questions.
Needless to say, Morning Joe's edited tape didn't include what follows. But early in her grilling of Gay, Stefanik had offered her own definition of a highly evocative term:
STEFANIK (2/5/23): Let me ask you this. You are president of Harvard, so I assume you're familiar with the term "intifada," correct?
GAY: I have heard that term, yes.
STEFANIK: So you understand that the use of the term "intifada" in the context of the Israeli-Arab conflict is indeed a call for violent armed resistance against the state of Israel, including violence against civilians and the genocide of Jews. Are you aware of that?
Gay offered a fuzzy response; she didn't agree or disagree with what Stefanik had said about the use of that term. Thus enabled, Stefanik was soon saying this:
STEFANIK: So based upon your testimony, you understand that this call for intifada is to commit genocide against the Jewish people in Israel and globally, correct?
Gay offered another fuzzy response. But at least we now understood the meaning of Stefanik's highly evocative questions.
According to Stefanik, if students use the term "intifada," they're calling for the global genocide of the Jewish people. So it goes when people like Stefanik perform at congressional hearings.
(To watch that exchange, click here, then move ahead to 1:30.)
In our view, Tuesday's hearings, and their aftermath, have been a full-blown disaster. In our view, three different parties have been at fault:
In our view, the problem starts with the routinely horrible Stefanik. In her "grilling" of the three college presidents, she behaved in all the ways which have become standard at such hearings.
She asked fuzzy, inflammatory questions, then routinely interrupted the witnesses as soon as they tried to respond. In the childish manner of such hearings, she kept demanding "yes or no answers" to questions which plainly called for more detail. These demands were accompanied by the standard insults, and by the standard calls for the targets to resign.
The problem started with Stefanik, but the college presidents were also grossly at fault. They seemed almost wholly unprepared to respond to Stefanik's admittedly inflammatory questions.
We'd give Stefanik a failing grade, but so too with the hapless presidents. Worst of all were Joe and Mika and their hand-picked assortment of echoes and hacks. In our view, their conduct has been disgraceful all week—disgraceful and deeply unhelpful.
We refer to the way they've presented this congressional hearing, but also to the two separate programs on which they savaged Rep. Pramila Jayapal for some wholly innocuous statements on Sunday's State of the Union program. More on that to come.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but our floundering nation is in major trouble. That said, House hearings have been a clown show for years. So too with cable news broadcasts.
As for the college presidents, their work was astoundingly poor.
In fairness, it isn't easy for witnesses to perform well at our clown-car congressional hearings. That's even true when experienced Washington insiders are subjected to the behaviors which are common at these made-for-TV events.
Even given those caveats, the college president performed remarkably poorly. There skill levels seemed to be almost wholly nonexistent.
At any rate, we now know what the gruesome Stefanik was actually talking about. We also know why we've seen no videotape of people on the Harvard campus "calling for the genocide of the Jewish people" as that highly inflammatory phrase would normally be understood.
Stating the obvious, this should have been explained on Morning Joe. Instead, the program's highly performative stars staged a clown show of their own.
You can be fairly sure of one thing: Joe and Mika had no real idea what Joe was shouting about. Almost surely, they hadn't performed the basic prep. Instead, they and their ducklings postured and posed, in a way which is indistinguishable from what's being said on Fox.
What has been happening at these colleges? On Tuesday, people like the gruesome Stefanik made no attempt to find out. Ditto for Mika and Joe and for the handpicked guests who all sing from their songbook.
We'll offer more in the next day or two. We've been appalled by what we've seen on Morning Joe all week.
Can a large modern nation really function this way? Almost surely, the answer is no.
Meanwhile, what has been happening at those colleges? Has anyone tried to find out?
Tomorrow: Tears of rage! A brilliant, painful front-page profile in today's New York Times
ReplyDelete"Even given those caveats, the college president [sic] performed remarkably poorly. There [sic] skill levels seemed to be almost wholly nonexistent."
Their "skill levels" are probably fine, Bob. But (I'm guessing) they are scared. They're scared of losing their jobs, and getting forever blacklisted out of the nomenklatura.
What's the error with "college president" that you are noting here?
DeleteAnd let's explore your criticism. So assuming that they're scared and that's the explanation, would you not expect them to be able to handle the questions any better, with additional skill? That it's all attributable to fear? Higher skills = no improvement? No impact?
DeleteCollege presidents can't go all-in as zionazis, or they'll be in serious trouble with the student community. But they can't say anything sensible either, or they'll be fired and blacklisted. So, "a fuzzy reply" it is. The only way to survive it.
DeleteCan one offer a better fuzzy reply with higher skill level? Would say a higher diplomacy or politics skill have some impact?
DeleteSorry, I'm like a dog with a bone when exploring logical fallacies.
Sorry, I don't understand your question. They give fuzzy replies, which leads to Bob being disappointed, suggesting nonexisting skills. I explain why giving fuzzy replies is the only way out for them, regardless of their "skill levels". What's your problem?
DeleteI don't believe you've established that fuzzy replies can't be improved and therefore indicate "better performance."
DeleteDon't get personal now, I'm just having a casual conversation.
Bob doesn't like any kinds of fuzzy replies. He believes that clear, direct replies represent good performance. No "improvement" of fuzziness in replies would satisfy him. Naturally.
DeleteWell I didn't realize we were going to go that way, disappointing! Are you a member of the Somerby mind-reading club then? (sorry this is meant to be more funny than personal)
DeleteI'm still having fun with my bone though.
Would you say that politicans, college presidents and the like have to often give "fuzzy replies" as part of their position?
Do you think some of these are better than others?
Do you think skill has an impact on this?
Or are all fuzzy replies on the same level? No impact by skill at all?
It makes sense that the college professors are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They have to show pretty much unwavering support to Israel to benefactors etc. and it is probably frowned upon that they even empathize with students who, in exercising their right to free speech, feel Israel is in the wrong and going overboard.
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DeleteSorry, I don't care about any of it. According to my personal observations, most of the nomenklatura (including college presidents) are dumb intellectually while politically quite skillful and clever.
I hope it helps.
I don't take that to mean that a college professor couldn't answer the question more meaningfully and skillfully while also being careful not to play one side to heavily. In fact, that seems tailor made to be a matter of skill.
DeleteMaybe the point all along was to point out professors are hamstrung and the skill comment was just a means to an ends? The illogic of it bugs me though.
*too and *end
DeleteBefore you [sic] me. Heh heh.
and professors should be presidents
DeleteToo much multi-tasking.
"while also being careful not to play one side to [sic] heavily"
DeleteEver heard of HUAC? Not playing the Stefanik side heavily will get them fired and blacklisted.
Damn I got sic'ed.
DeleteI feel like we've drifted off-topic. Granted it was a narrow topic. Have a great rest of day.
You too.
DeleteStefanek is a sleaze, and the question equated intifada with genocide was real sleazy. the Harvard President did a crappy job answering, when could have refuted the two terms are not anything close to being equivalent. Anyone at her level should have been able to handle the question better.
DeleteThis sounds like one troll talking to himself in a long exchange of sockpuppets.
DeleteObama tried to be even handed in his statement, and was called antisemitic, even by some here. It’s a no win scenario for “liberal” college professors.
DeleteBeing smug while touting an interest in logic, yet exhibiting no “skill” with logic and seeming kind of fuzzy on the subject, is a bit comical.
DeleteStefanik is a right winger, attempting to appear dominant over The Other.
Somerby puts his thumb on the scale, as the Harvard Pres response was ‘good and decent’ - it was logical and not fuzzy; she repeatedly and straightforwardly explained that the school allows speech that may be found to be objectionable by some, and that it does not become actionable until there is conduct that involves bullying, harassment, or intimidation.
"CEO of Stone Ridge Asset Management Withdraws $100M Donation to UPenn Due to Pres. Liz Magill’s Anti-Semitic Remarks Before Congress"
DeleteHere you go, Bob. Low ass licking "skill levels", indeed.
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Wow, a strike at Washington Post. 24 hours. This just might be the day when American discourse turns normal. For 24 hours.
ReplyDelete"Harvard's president, Claudine Gay, offers a fuzzy reply. She doesn't say yes and she doesn't say no—but that's the question Stefanik has asked."
ReplyDeleteSomerby could do his readers the courtesy of repeating Gay's answers instead of merely telling us they were fuzzy, as if we cannot decide for ourselves whether they seemed fuzzy or not.
I heard Gay's explanation of the difference between words (protected as free speech and not subject to the conduct code) and actions (covered by the conduct code). It seemed clear to me and not at all fuzzy.
Exactly.
Delete“Intifada” doesn’t mean “genocide”.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=Intifada+&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
In practice, the word intifada has denoted the several uprisings of Palestinians against Israel. In that context, the word certainly is calling for the erasure of Israel as a nation and the death of Israelis who get in the way of that goal. If you doubt that, look at what happened on 10/7. If the word meant anything less than the death of Israelis and the erasure of Israel as a nation, the Palestinians would have been able to have negotiated a lasting peace long ago and would now be building their own nation state instead of trying to destroy Israel.
DeleteMost Palestinians do not support Hamas/Hezbollah and want to negotiate a peace, as was happening in the 90s before Israel got kidnapped by right wingers that leaned into Israel being a theocratic ethnostate determined to maintain its apartheid against Palestinians by keeping them in concentration camps.
DeleteNetanyahu has propped up and allowed the funding of Hamas because they serve as a useful way to paint all Palestinians as bloodthirsty terrorists, allowing him to bomb innocent civilians, killing thousands, half of whom are children.
Israel did not commit 10/7
DeleteSomerby just loves to call professors and other academics stupid or fuzzy or muddled, or poor performers. His subtext here is that academics are actually stupider than himself (the critic who calls them fuzzy and poor performers) and that no one should consider them important or experts of give them high social status, even at Harvard.
ReplyDeleteSomerby has been harping on this theme for decades. He doesn't bother explaining what might be fuzzy or unclear in anyone's statements because that isn't the point. The point is to call such people dumb, because they are figures of authority and have acknowledged expertise that makes Somerby itch in places he cannot scratch. This is one of his demons that he has today cloaked in a dispute over whether college kids are calling for genocide when they use the words global intifada. But for Somerby, it isn't about the language but about the people and he just loves to call professors names.
Corby is adorable.
ReplyDeleteMe and my bridge partners love professors and other academics. Because they wear beards and glasses. Me and my bridge partners love beards and glasses. So cute.
ReplyDeleteI am Corby.
Claudine Gay and Liz Magill weren’t wearing beards.
DeleteThey were. But their beards were blurred by tv cameras. Operated by the Russians and Somerby.
DeleteI am Corby.
I didn’t see any beards. I am not Corby.
DeleteLots of women suffer from hormone imbalances, often due to health issues like PCOS, that cause facial hair.
DeleteSome women, often due to dubious societal pressure, have their hair removed, others do not care and let nature take its course.
My mate Paul draws a line on breast/nipple hair, all women have it and most take care of it, but if he’s being intimate with a woman and encounters breast/nipple hair - it’s like finding a hair in your food at a restaurant, one and done.
Some women also have hair on the lower abdomen, and even on the vulva.
DeleteYou are Boris. Me and Digby always shave our pubic hair. I have a good electric shaver. Kids are calling for genocide. I am a very good bridge player.
DeleteThe right to life.
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I'm the best bridge player in Boulder. Somerby is an ass. Kids are calling for genocide. I am Corby.
ReplyDeleteI’m not good at card games. I am Korbi.
DeleteWho killed JonBenet?
DeleteAny opposition to Israel is antisemitism and should be banned.
ReplyDeleteBroadly speaking, antisemites endorse Israel as it currently exists, primarily because it diminishes the amount of Jews in their own countries. Christian antisemites love Israel because they think it means there will be a Second Coming (where the Jews will go to Hell). In response, Jews reasonably ask: why couldn't God accomplish His goals the first time round?
DeleteBa dum tss
In reality, the majority of Jews in the world live in the US, are of the blue tribe, and do not support Israel’s oppression of Palestinians.
more propaganda
DeleteNo response by the presidents, no matter how skillful, would have made any difference. Stefanik’s purpose, as with most of the Republican-led House “hearings”, was to label liberal college presidents, and by extension, liberals, as antisemitic.
ReplyDeleteSomerby just wrote a post decrying the selective reporting by cable news orgs. Does he or anyone believe that a “good” answer by the college presidents would have been shown unedited on Fox, or at all, when the purpose of stefanik’s kangaroo court was to provide “proof” that liberals are antisemitic?
Lieutenant-generals and vice-admirals should get their promotions.
ReplyDeleteGay is gay.
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2023 is the hottest year on record.
ReplyDeleteI'm voting for the 80-year old for President If I wanted a President with hands the same size as the hands of my two-year old niece, I'd vote for her, instead.
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