ARMIES: Army of Gutfeld feigns a discussion!

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 2024

Here's how democracy dies: Why are grocery prices still high? Inquiring minds want to know.

In this recent analysis, the AP reports that egg prices are creeping back up due to a new wave of avian flu. Also, we think we've read that orange juice prices may still be high as a result of weather-related crop losses in Florida.

Such occurrences would qualify as "acts of God." That said, could price-gouging possibly be another part of the story?

Last Friday, President Biden made that allegation in a speech in South Carolina. That evening, a 59-year-old man, joined by an army of low-grade comedians along with a former professional wrestler, played a video clip of what President Biden had said.

The man then proceeded to savage the allegedly ludicrous statements made by "President Poopy Pants," a public servant who was also described, on this Gutfeld! program, as "the vegetable in chief."

Executives at the Fox News Channel are now putting this new variety of manifest garbage on their "cable news" air through much of their network's prime time. In this new post, Kevin Drum linked to our latest report about that evening's Gutfeld! program. 

Kevin wasn't impressed with Greg Gutfeld's army of God. His headline said this:

Yes, Fox News has gotten even worse

Fox News "has gotten even worse," Kevin said, as it continues to build a new pseudo-journalistic culture around the musings of groups of "sophomoric jokesters." 

In principle, we agree with that assessment, but we'll offer one word of caution:

We assume that Fox is moving its primetime programming in this direction because the network has learned, through market research, that this represents a more successful way to advance tribal propaganda.

To be clear, we don't know that any such research has been conducted. But we'll offer a solid guess in which that's a part of the deal.

Greg Gutfeld's panels will constitute one of the armies in the field during this year's political war in our country—during the ongoing siege of the Biden White House. Just as the traveling poets who composed The Iliad listed all the armies in the field during the lengthy siege of Troy, so too here:

This site will be reviewing the various armies determining our nation's fate as we approach the presidential election scheduled for this November.

The angry and irrational Gutfeld sits at the head of one such army. Last Friday night, he and his troupers savaged President Poopy Pants in a way which lets us know that the basic building blocks of a sane democracy are already slipping away, with very few armies within our blue tribe recording what those red tribe armies are doing or offering words of complaint.

At any rate, the vegetable-in-chief had made an allegation. For those still wedded to reality, is there any actual merit to what the vegetable said?

For ourselves, we thought the video clip of President Biden's statement was underwhelming, basically unimpressive. That said, in last Saturday's print editions, the New York Times offered a detailed news a report on the question at hand.

Gambling was spotted in Rick's casino. Is price gouging present in our grocery stores?

Inquiring minds might want to know! Headline included, the report in the Times began in the manner shown:

Biden Takes Aim at Grocery Chains Over Food Prices

President Biden, whose approval rating has suffered amid high inflation, is beginning to pressure large grocery chains to slash food prices for American consumers, accusing the stores of reaping excess profits and ripping off shoppers.

“There are still too many corporations in America ripping people off: price gouging, junk fees, greedflation, shrinkflation,” Mr. Biden said last week in South Carolina. Aides say those comments are a preview of more pressure to come against grocery chains and other companies that are maintaining higher-than-usual profit margins after a period of rapid price growth.

Jim Tankersley's report appeared on page B1—the front page of the Business section. Already, in his second graf, Tankersley had reported that "grocery chains and other companies" are maintaining "higher-than-usual profit margins" at the present time.

Does that mean that "price gouging" is involved? We employ no experts on such questions. As such, we have no real idea at the present time.

That said, we did read on. As Tankersley's report continued, he also reported such findings as these:

A new analysis from the White House Council of Economic Advisers suggests that elevated profit margins among large grocery retailers could be contributing to the stubbornly high price of food on store shelves. The analysis, which relies on Quarterly Financial Reports data from the Census Bureau, found that food and beverage stores had increased their margins by about two percentage points since the eve of the pandemic, reaching their highest level in two decades.

Much of that increase came in 2021 and 2022, around the time that other retailers—like clothing and sporting goods stores—also saw profit margins jump. Grocery-store margins have stayed elevated, the analysis finds, even as other retailers’ margins have fallen back to more normal levels based on recent history.

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But the White House analysis also implies that increased grocery profit margins do not come close to accounting for the price spikes that grocery shoppers have experienced under Mr. Biden’s tenure.

Other research suggests additional forces—like consumer demand and supply-chain disruptions—are a much bigger factor in the price increases. A bout of avian flu caused egg prices to spike last year, for example. And food producers, like soft-drink manufacturers, have continued to raise prices even as their costs have declined, leading to heady profit margins.

On its face, we're prepared to score Tankersley's report as admirably fair and balanced. 

Tankersley seems to report that price-gouging can't account for the bulk of the grocery store price increases. On the other hand, he also seems to report that grocery stores are enjoying unusually high profit margins at the present time.

Also, food producers are experiencing "heady" profit margins—and they've continued to raise their prices even as costs have declined.

Is some degree of price-gouging some part of the picture concerning grocery prices? We still have no finished idea. But Tankersley was describing the basic field of play for anyone who wanted to explore this question in a traditional, rational way. 

His report appeared on the front page of the Business section of Saturday's New York Times. One night before, an angry 59-year-old man, joined by a panel of Fox-style experts, had pretended to conduct a discussion of this very topic.

It would have been extremely hard to conduct a dumber "discussion" than the one this army of Gutfeld conducted last Friday night. In this case, their imitation of an adult discussion was conducted in primetime, on our nation's most-watched network for "cable news," as millions of voters watched.

Tankersley is an experienced economic reporter. The angry 59-year-old man was joined by a low-grade comedian, a former professional wrestler and by a timid, name-calling novelist, but also by a pompous peacock dragged in from Fox & Friends First..

As we noted yesterday, the angry 59-year-old man spewed a stream of juvenile insults. Quite plainly, the people with whom he conducted his imitation of a discussion showed no sign of having the slightest idea what they were talking about.

This kind of sophomoric pseudo-discussion is now a staple of three (3) hour-long, primetime weeknight programs on the Fox News Channel. The 59-year-old man commands one of the armies which will be out in the field, waging its war on the red tribe's side, during this year's siege of the White House.

Blue tribe armies have stood down from any attempt to report or critique this peculiar state of affairs. All in all, and simply put, no one wants to tangle with Fox. Among the higher-class armies of the blue tribe, it simply isn't done.

Democracy dies in darkness, we're now repeatedly told. The major newspaper which broadcasts that warning clear of the Fox News Channel, as does everyone else.

For today, let us say this:

We've shown you the way a serious journalist starts to conduct a serious examination of a serious policy question. Tomorrow, we'll give you a look at what occurred when Greg Gutfeld's ersatz army pretended to discuss the claim made by the person they derided as President Poopy Pants—the claim that some amount of current food prices results from some type of price-gouging.

We'll also visit a second Fox News show, a Fox News program from last weekend. On that program, Fox & Friends cohost Brian Kilmeade interviewed John Walsh about the return of Walsh's long-running crime-stopper program, America's Most Wanted.

It was Few Misstatements Left Behind as the pair pretended to discuss the current state of crime in our struggling nation. To appearances, basic facts died a thousand deaths in the course of their conversation. 

As in in the day when armies gathered on the plains outside the towering walls of Troy, so too here and now and today:

Various armies of the red tribe will be fighting in this manner as the siege of the White House unfolds. Major blue armies will fail to resist—have politely agreed to avert their gaze from generals like Gutfeld, have politely agreed to stand down.

Tomorrow: Democracy dies like this!


102 comments:

  1. I realize that Somerby is attempting humor when he repeats Gutfeld's initial remark:

    "At any rate, the vegetable-in-chief had made an allegation. For those still wedded to reality, is there any actual merit to what the vegetable said?"

    But does it really help Biden's reelection to repeat that slur over and over like that?

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    1. You don't exactly need an advanced degree in Psychology to figure Bob out.

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  2. One of the DNC bots in the comment section used the word "greedflation" the other day. It's almost as if Biden's speechwriters are talking directly to us!

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    1. https://www.axios.com/2023/05/18/once-a-fringe-theory-greedflation-gets-its-due

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    2. Not suggesting the term was never used before.

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    3. No, you are maligning other commenters (DNC bots) for talking about the same topic as Biden.

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    4. I firmly think the DNC bots do far more damage to their cause then they do to help it. I wonder how they gauge their effectiveness.

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    5. Many of those you are calling DNC bots are not bots but real commenters who were here long before you arrived.

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  3. "Is some degree of price-gouging some part of the picture concerning grocery prices? We still have no finished idea."

    What does it take to convince Somerby of anything? If he will not believe a report that he himself calls fair and balanced, what will he believe?

    The President's Council of Economic Advisers is not part of Biden's campaign. The report they issued is based on facts, including profit margins for corporations (which are reported in their annual reports) and retail prices, also public and verifiable.

    If Somerby does not believe facts, what does he believe? Gutfeld? He appears to believe Kevin Drum's graphs, but this report by Tankersley is the kind of data Drum acquires from elsewhere and plots. Drum gets his data from the same places as Tankersley does.

    Is Somerby hesitant about this report because Biden announced it? If so, why would Somerby disbelieve someone he says he plans to vote for? Or maybe the point is to undermine Biden's speech by expressing hesitancy over Biden's data (which did not originate with Biden but with an independent panel of outside advisers)?

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    1. Where does Bob express his hesitancy to accept the report? What he actually wrote:

      "On its face, we're prepared to score Tankersley's report as admirably fair and balanced." and "Tankersley is an experienced economic reporter."

      But then it gets worse in this comment. The hesitancy transforms from paragraph to paragraph and is now "If Somerby does not believe facts..." Haha!

      Skim reading and adding a hurried critical comment built on faulty premises. You've inadvertantly supported Bob as usual.

      Note: this is a service to other readers not an attempt to have a conversation.

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    2. After saying those things, which ought to convince a fair-minded reader to place some faith in the report, Somerby instead says:

      ""Is some degree of price-gouging some part of the picture concerning grocery prices? We still have no finished idea."

      Then I asked what it takes to convince Somerby. This was in my comment, so why are YOU still asking why I think Somerby is hesitant to accept the report? Note that you omitted my explanation in order to make it seem like I gave none.

      And no, I have not supported Somerby.

      And then the troll reveals himself by explaining that he has no desire for conversation. Other trolls here have called that "hit and run" and labeled it a trademark of trolling. Also, the "Haha!" gives you away.

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    3. Unlike the media in general, Bob’s calling attention to an issue that likely is the reason for Biden’s poll numbers (food prices) , and anonymices are doing your disingenuous political operative best to turn that fact against him.

      Of course.

      You’ve also spent years whining about his focus on blue tribe sachems and scribes, but now that he’s taking on a very highly rated late night “comedy” show, you’re claiming that move is utterly suspect AND that it’s superfluous.

      You’re absolutely clowns.

      As far as food costs go, it’s good to see Bob and Kevin discussing this topic. I wish someone would investigate how the food industry has degraded their products to the point that they are inedible.

      I suppose it’s good that processed foods are no longer enjoyable, but I feel very sorry for families with both parents in the work force and children to feed.

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    4. "Bob’s calling attention to an issue that likely is the reason for Biden’s poll numbers (food prices) ,..."

      It's not the border, nor is it the deficit, that's for sure.
      It could be the food prices. Or it could be the lack of anti-trust/ anti-monopoly legislation and enforcement generally in the USA.

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    5. @4:01 People don’t generally think in those terms.

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    6. 4:48,
      What terms do people generally think in? That when food prices go up, it's the President at the time's fault?
      Or do the people think like our political reporters, and blame the Democrats for everything negative, because they believe Republicans (politicians and voters) have no agency?

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  4. "Fox News "has gotten even worse," Kevin said"

    Oh? Sounds like Fox News has gotten better.

    "price-gouging", "price-gouging", "price-gouging"

    Price-gouging can only exist where there is no competition. Competition is what drives prices down. And if there isn't enough competition, that must be a fault of bidenomics, no? Excessive regulations, anyone?

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    1. Biden didn't cause supply chain problems during the pandemic. The problem is that stores didn't reduce their prices when the supply problems stopped.

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    2. If stores didn't reduce their prices, then there isn't enough competition. And if there isn't enough competition, then something's wrong with bidenomics.

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    3. As described in the article from Axios above, there are reasons why competition cannot operate in times of war, natural disaster, or the pandemic we went through. At such times, disruptions to the supply chain cause prices to increase and consumers cannot buy elsewhere because of the artificial shortages. Think about it instead of writing goofy political troll comments.

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    4. Are you typing this somewhere where there's a war, natural disaster, or a pandemic?

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    5. Are you unaware that the entire world experienced a pandemic recently enough to result in inflation that has not returned to normal due to price gouging?

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    6. It's not in their interest to be aware. The troll's objective is to blame it all on Biden. Capitalism can never fail, it can only be failed.

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    7. "...inflation that has not returned to normal due to price gouging"

      To repeat my original comment:
      Price-gouging can only exist where there is no competition. Competition is what drives prices down. And if there isn't enough competition, that's a problem of the bidenomics.

      What is unclear to you, DNC bot?

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    8. Go fuck yourself, Boris.

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    9. Your apologies accepted, DNC bot.

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    10. That's right, trollboy, that was meant as an apology.

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    11. 12:28,
      Will you sit out the election, or just until Mr. Perfect Candidate comes along?
      If it's the latter, start how much will you donate to my PAC?

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    12. 1:19 points out the country has gone to shit since we elected Reagan, and people act like this truth is blasphemy.
      Ronald Reagin will always be the answer to "Why isn't Trump the worst President in the history of the United States of America.

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  5. "We've shown you the way a serious journalist starts to conduct a serious examination of a serious policy question. Tomorrow, we'll give you a look at what occurred when Greg Gutfeld's ersatz army pretended to discuss the claim..."

    No one here will accept Somerby's strawman that Gutfeld is any kind of journalist, much less a serious one. That makes this planned discussion a waste of time that will do no good and may do harm by repeating and thus giving a platform to Gutfeld's right wing propaganda.

    Meanwhile, Somerby seems to enjoy repeating the poopypants and vegetable remarks at every opportunity. That makes him as big an asshole as Gutfeld, in my opinion. Biden gives a speech that focuses govt attention on price gouging after a national emergency and Somerby uses the opportunity to question whether such gouging has been happening and repeat the right wing name-calling.

    In WWII, price gouging of scarce items (redirected to the war effort), food and other necessities let to price controls and rationing. The pandemic created a similar situation, but certain businesses have taken advantage of the situation now that it has improved.

    https://fee.org/articles/the-two-price-system-us-rationing-during-world-war-ii/

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    1. You got one thing right at least, it's your opinion. And it's ridiculous.

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    2. Bob is certainly on solid ground claiming Gutfeld is representative of a solid slice of Republicans. It could be fashioned as a bipartisan point, but we might as well own up: the dumb have gotten dumber.

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  6. It's fairly simple.

    Grocery stores turned record profits during COVID. Shareholders want to see profits go up each year. Business reduced post-COVID. How to increase profits in such a situation? Layoffs and raising prices.

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    1. This comment is made-up by someone who wasn't here during the shutdown or immediately afterward, perhaps an Eastern European person on a troll farm. It makes no sense compared to actual conditions in the US.

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    2. 12:22 is correct

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  7. Biden is not "under siege" which makes Somerby's Illiad metaphor not quite fit the situation. For one thing, Trump is also an "incumbent" trying to regain office. That would make this two Illiads without any Greeks.

    But Somerby also implies that Biden is not taking the fight to the enemy. Yesterday Somerby complained that Biden was too feeble to give speeches, citing his failure to discuss the border bill, only hours before Biden gave exactly that speech to the American people, describing Trump's order to his followers to kill a much-needed bill that gave Republicans everything they demanded, so that Trump could continue to campaign on border issues. Biden laid it all out in a forceful speech.

    Biden spoke about greedflation last week in South Carolina. In a speech that he made standing up, in front of an audience, without once pooping his pants or acting like a vegetable (Somerby needs to know this to believe there was an actual speech given). Biden discussed consumer prices and greedflation, showing the American voters that he is not only aware of the problem but addressing it.

    Biden is not holed up in a fortress waiting for the Trump-Greeks to make their move. Biden is going out onto the field of battle and addressing voter concerns in ways that Trump talked about but never did anything to fix.

    This makes Somerby's attempt to frame Biden as passively waiting for Trump to attack, a gross unfairness and inaccurate. Meanwhile, Somerby plays the role of Trojan horse, pretending to be a benign supporter of Biden while allowing Gutfeld's crude anti-Biden message to infiltrate his supposedly unbiased blog. He is no doubt chuckling at his own imagery while he pretends to be liberal and thinks of his readers as fools, marks to be conned by his pretense.

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    1. Got it! He's NOT holed up in a fortress.

      Geez you keep using poopypants and vegetable terms. Perhaps you forgot what you just wrote above:

      "Meanwhile, Somerby seems to enjoy repeating the poopypants and vegetable remarks at every opportunity. That makes him as big an asshole as Gutfeld, in my opinion."

      Good times, thanks for the laugh.

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  8. I believe typical grocery store profit margins are in the neighborhood of 1 per cent of sales. So a change in this tiny margin is definitely not the cause of high food prices.

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    1. Why "believe" anything these days when you can quickly look it up. It's 1-3% of sales. Some items get higher markup, some they can even take a loss on to drive traffic.

      Your conclusion is nonsensical.

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    2. "So, he added, there are three rates of return to pay attention to: There’s a profit percentage that’s a return on those sales — 1% in the example above. Then there’s a return on the asset (3%) and the return on equity (15%).

      And don’t forget, grocery stores are selling a ton of items, especially produce.

      “Sure, we’re only making 1% profit, but it’s worth our while to be in this business because we make it up in volume,” Zaleski said.

      As another example, take one of the world’s biggest fast-food franchises: McDonald’s.

      “McDonald’s doesn’t make that much money on every burger, but it sells billions of them,” said Shivaram Rajgopal, an accounting and auditing professor at Columbia Business School.

      Meanwhile, he explained, a fancy French restaurant has a higher markup because it’s “selling you a lot of expensive wines and fancy food,” but turnover is low because customers may spend hours there. "

      https://www.marketplace.org/2022/05/13/how-do-grocery-stores-make-money-when-their-profit-margins-are-so-low/

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    3. @12:37 Your figure supports my conclusion tht the higher profit margins are a tiny factor in the increase in food prices. Suppose some product used to cost $3 and now costs $4. That's an increase of 33.3%. Now, suppose the grocery margin is 1.5% when it used to be 1.3%. That's an increase of 0.2%.

      The components of the 33.3% increase are:
      33.1% of the increase is due to real inflation.
      0.2% of the increase is due to higher margins.

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    4. What do you mean by "real inflation", David?

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    5. Quaker in a BasementFebruary 7, 2024 at 2:07 PM

      "Now, suppose the grocery margin is 1.5% when it used to be 1.3%. That's an increase of 0.2%."

      It's an aboslute increase of 0.2%. It's a proportional increase of 15.4%. The year-over-year increase could be even greater.

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    6. @2:07 PM
      That was an amazingly stupid comment.

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    7. Quaker, you're right, but the absolute increase in profit margin is the appropriate figure to use when looking at the components of the price increase. It may be galling if the groceries are making higher profits when we're saddled with higher food prices, but their higher profits are simply not the reason our food prices are so high.

      Biden is misleading the American people when he blames the (allegedly) higher grocery profit margin for high food prices. This is scapegoating. It's ugly and dishonest. Biden is promoting animosity toward groceries in order to excuse himself.

      BTW as a numbers expert I get particularly angry at demagogues who take advantage of public numerical naivety. Trump's personal morality is bad, but his Presidential morality is no worse than Biden's.

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    8. Biden didn't make up the figures. It was his council of Economic Advisers who issued a report. I suggest looking at their report to see how they figured there were excess profits, before jumping to the conclusions that BIDEN is promoting animosity toward grocers. It seems to me that people have been jumping to their own conclusions about stores being responsible for the higher prices. It is the stores who are putting those higher price tags on their items, after all.

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    9. David,
      Don't be coy. Come right out and say it. You'd be much happier, if Biden would nationalize the grocery stores to reduce inflation and help out the parents with children to feed,. Like the ones Cecelia feels so bad for.
      Don't worry that some moron on the Right will call that "Communism" . They call everything they don't agree with "Communism" or "woke", whether it makes sense or not.

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    10. Thanks for your comment, @2:58. Here's my response
      It's Biden's Council of Economic Advisors. If Biden was misleading because of his CEA it's still Biden's fault.

      The NY Times says the CEA food and beverage stores had increased their margins by about 2 percentage points. This is questionably large, given that normal margins are in the range of 2% or less. An increase of 2 percentage points would mean the margin more than doubled.

      Even if the 2 percentage point increase is correct, it's still only a small part of increase in food prices. The actual increase in food prices from 2019 to 2023 was 25.03%. This increase can be allocated

      2% for margin increase
      23.03% for other reasons

      https://www.in2013dollars.com/Food/price-inflation/2019-to-2023?amount=100

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    11. Biden is supposed to be helping new grocery stores in competition but he's also supposed to be letting the market figure it out?

      That's an impossible request of the job of the government. It's either creating a new business with some investment and ownership combination or it's not.

      David is the one scapegoating a democratic presidency for the grocery gouging.

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    12. Anonymouse 4:21pm, you poor naive darling. As long as they give the leftwing their mastectomies for healthy teenage girls, there’s not a chance in hell you’d give anything but blogboard lip service to “nationalized grocery stores”.

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    13. Yes, @8:09 those two jobs would be in conflict. IMO only the second should be the government's responsibility. The government should let the market figure it out. The government should not be in business of helping particular chosen businesses.

      Unfortunately, from the selfish POV of a politician, helping chosen businesses is a great way to raise funds. Businesses make generous campaign donations for the privilege of being chosen for special benefits.

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    14. Yes, David, politicians should let the market figure it out. That way businesses can acquire their competitors, to show Wall Street that their business is growing, which wont negatively affect their stock price. This has the added bonus that they will have less competition, which will allow them to raise their pricing, because where else could consumers go for lower prices?
      What kind of clown, who supports laissez-faire capitalism, would then complain about food pricing and inflation?

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  9. What do you suppose it means that Somerby is using war metaphors and talking about armies while his blog is seeing a flood of new, highly aggressive right wing trolls?

    One thing is obvious. Neither Somerby nor the new trolls are supporting Biden.

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  10. 12:49 - I'd say this is even more obvious: You reason in non sequiturs.

    Moreover, since Somerby has repeatedly told us he's voting for Biden, you're calling him a liar without even the slightest shred of evidence.

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    1. Mr. Piper, if you continue to pretend there isn't something highly dubious about Bob's professed support of Biden, only rats and kids are likely to follow you.

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    2. Anonymouse1:39pm, there’s that self-referential thinking that results in non sequiturs.

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    3. Calling something "non sequitur" presumes it has some meaning. They don't. They are not "non sequiturs", they are word-salads.

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    4. 1:39 - Regardless of who follows me, the fact remains that you have not a shred of evidence to support your accusation that Somerby is lying to us about whom he supports.

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    5. Cecelia has no idea what the words mean that she types.

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    6. Anonymouse 3:03pm, “you” are better off when you stick to declaring things a social construct.

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  11. Quaker in a BasementFebruary 7, 2024 at 1:43 PM

    Well, here's an unusual development. Tucker Carlson is in Moscow to interivew Vladimri Putin to be broadcast...well, wherever Carlson appears these days.

    This time, the Washington Post--one of the bluest of news outlets serving Our Blue Tribe--has forgotten itself and NOT averted its gaze.

    You can see it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/07/tucker-carlson-putin-russia-ukraine/

    Of course, I'm certain the Post's attention to Carlson's propagandizing fails in some respect. Exactly how remains to be examined.

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    1. Ugly, yes, maybe unusual. But hardly surprising. The Washington Post appears true blue only to the color blind. Yesterday was a really bad day for the right, expect some middle of the road panic.

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    2. Quaker in a BasementFebruary 7, 2024 at 2:17 PM

      My main point is this: Our Host regularly notes that conventional media outlets fail to push back against Fox and Fox-like journalism. Today's reporting in the Post seems to be exactly the sort of pushback he says "simply isn't done."

      Well, today it IS done. I'm willing to wager a shiny nickel that Our Host will still find it less than satisfactory.

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    3. What he says "simply isn't done" is an:
      "attempt to report or critique" "a kind of sophomoric pseudo-discussion" on "primetime weeknight programs on the Fox News Channel".

      Is it fair to put former hosts of Fox who were fired and are now interviewing Putin in that group? How?

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    4. Early on Quaker, I picked up that Bob had two main grips with our "tribe:" : They "sat there and took it" when the powers that be abused them, and that also, they were always sounding off like angry snobs when, wait for it, the powers that be abused them. In certain situations was he correct? Sure. But generally Bob was just following the general take of the "liberal" media.

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  12. Quaker in a BasementFebruary 7, 2024 at 1:56 PM

    "We assume that Fox is moving its primetime programming in this direction because the network has learned, through market research, that this represents a more successful way to advance tribal propaganda."

    Perhaps. I suspect that it wasn't market research, but legal research that prompted the shift in Fox's delivery. "Satire" is an effective defense against charges of defamation, exactly the sort of charges that stripped Fox of it's most popular personalities.

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    1. Good catch. But will the long time Fox watcher enjoys being out of power in some ways more than the other way around. And some have told me so: Offensive is more fun than Defense. And dumb jokes are more than news. The shift has been a short trip: remember Obama's baby mama?

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    2. Considering the number of dumb "comedians" in Bob's own silo, what's so surprising about it?

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    3. Q - An uncommonly shrewd speculation.

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    4. An insight like that almost makes is worthwhile to wade through the cesspool of these comments.

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    5. Why do you read them in the first place?

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    6. 3:06 - Don't think I haven't asked myself that. I've read Somerby for years and find a lot of insight in what he writes. I guess it bugs me when morons, generally anonymously, castigate him mercilessly knowing that they don't have to worry that Somerby will ever try to defend himself in these comments.

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    7. There is no one here who wouldn't be willing to interact with Somerby if he were to "defend" himself here in comments or in his column. We did that during the debate over the MS reading scores, where Somerby was wrong and fought a proxy fight with commenters here via Kevin Drum's blog (and vice versa).

      For myself, anything I have said about Somerby in comments, I would say to his face given that chance. My biggest fear is that he is schizophrenic and does this as an obsession, since I would not wish to hurt someone who is mentally ill. But I trust that either he, or his caretakers, would intervene if that were occurring. It is hard to get past the delusions of someone with disordered thinking. Short of that, I am not afraid of his reactions to my thoughts, complaints, speculations, etc.

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    8. Anonymouse 3:59pm, hahahaha!

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    9. 3:59 - You're such a brave little mouse!

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    10. And you're such a pompous ass.

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    11. Impotent name calling.

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    12. Speaking of name calling, Bob is far more caustic and arch in the diminishing of his targets than someone saying “poopy pants”.

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    13. Is that what attracts you to his blog?

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    14. Pied, I realize that you are conflicted. But calling yourself Pied Piper doesn’t make you any braver than me. It’s a question of not wanting to be needlessly annoyed. Leave an email or phone number and I’ll be impressed.

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    15. Anonymouse 8:38pm, no, it’s for what you despise about him. He’s evenhanded in it.

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  13. “I am the President and therefore I can commit any crime I want with impunity” sounds like the ravings of a madman, except duly certified lawyers are making the argument in court, important elected officials agree wholeheartedly with the statement, and courts are deliberating about it. It’s surreal.

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  14. “He who wades into cesspool and gets covered in shit will not come out smelling like a rose” — Confucius, maybe

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  15. If Friedman was right, the inflation we have been experiencing was caused by the rise in money supply. I suppose that this was due to the huge deficit spending by Trump and Biden.

    "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output... A steady rate of monetary growth at a moderate level can provide a framework under which a country can have little inflation and much growth. It will not produce perfect stability; it will not produce heaven on earth; but it can make an important contribution to a stable economic society."
    Milton Friedman

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    1. Productivity is increasing significantly which is a counter to Friedman's one-variable analysis.

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    2. "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon"

      Hmm. Suppose there is an interruption (or even just a threat of interruption) of the oil supply, like in 1973. Fuel prices will rise, naturally, and consequently all prices will rise, because fuel is used everywhere. High inflation ensues. But not as a "monetary phenomenon".

      Now, the current situation, yes, probably monetary for the most part, but there's also a factor of the dollar not being as firmly the main global currency as it used to be. The current administration is using the dollar as a geopolitical weapon, which makes it less desirable abroad. And this obviously reduces its value.

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    3. 1978-1979 oil crisis was even worse and doomed Carter's presidency.

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    4. DiC - Inflation is whipped. It's yesterday's news. Really. If you want to get ahead of the curve, start worrying about deficits. It's what conservatives will be talking about in November.

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    5. "I suppose that this was due to the huge deficit spending by Trump and Biden."
      If so, I have some great news. We know how to reduce inflation caused by too much money in the economy. Raise taxes, which reduces spending, and lowers inflation.
      We could really use those economically anxious Republican voters, who aren't at all just a shit pile of bigots (hat tip mainstream media), to go the U.S. Capitol and push around some cops, like they did when black people's votes counted in the 2020 Presidential election.

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    6. DiC - So timely. The WSJ just tweeted: "The federal deficit is on track to shrink this year." Can you believe how things just keep getting better and better and better?

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    7. George, Last year's deficit was dreadful. In October the NY Times reported
      America’s federal budget deficit effectively doubled in the 2023 fiscal year

      Today Reuters reports that the CBO forecast a "slightly smaller" deficit than last year's disaster. This is not good news at all. It means that this year's deficit will again be dreadful. It appears that a disastrous deficit level is now a permanent part of the federal budget.

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    8. @4:43 I agree that a tax increase would tend to lower inflation. However, it would also push the country into a recession. So, there's a tradeoff.

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    9. How would raising taxes push us into a recession? Be specific.

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    10. 7:16,
      I nominate you to contact all of the defense contractors, and tell them the USA is broke and won't be procuring their products or services for the foreseeable future.
      Don't forget to report back how well that goes.

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    11. @4:43 I agree that a tax increase would tend to lower inflation. However, it would also push the country into a recession. So, there's a tradeoff.</eM.

      That is what every single fucking republican predicted when Clinton raised taxes nominally to the top bracket. LOL

      He then handed GW a budget surplus which the good frugal republicans promptly pissed away.

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    12. David in Cal,
      If a tax increase, passed to fight inflation, pushes the country into a recession, it would be because inflation was not caused by too much money in the economy.

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  16. An entire post about Fox News without the name “murdoch” being mentioned? Weird. “Jack Welch” was an oft-repeated name here at this blog.

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  17. Yesterday, out of curiosity, I visited the comments section of a very right wing, MAGA blog, just to see how they were taking Trump's immunity court decision. Their response was roughly to talk about civil war (are we in it or do we need to start one?) and to rehash various conspiracy theories. I also discovered that they have cute names for us. For example, California is called commiefornia and Democrats are called demoncrats. But out of 300+ comments, I didn't see any trolling or chatGPT comments. There were no liberals there trying to engage them in discussion. Every comment agreed with and then elaborated on the previous ones. There were no obvious troll farm comments, no hit and run one-liners, nothing about Palestine, no one calling other commenters names.

    So why is there so much of that crap here and none on the right wing blog comments? It suggests that Cecelia may be wrong about the DNC sending out bots -- not at truly right wing sites. It also suggests that maybe the range of opinions among commenters there is very narrow -- all are true believers adhering to a shared ideology. There were no factual comments quoting or disagreeing about stats or wording of the court's decision or consequences of the decision or anything factual. Other right wingers were often quoted from twitter. There was lots of anti-Obama stuff, such as calling for Obama to be prosecuted for drone killings during his administration. That seemed to be a big beef. They listed things they want to see Biden and Obama prosecuted for, such as giving visas to the 9/11 bombers or Benghazi. They refer to Biden as FJoeB and they call the media "the stinking Lugenpresse". Here is a quote:

    "The names and faces of the three judges should be posted everywherre so we know who to remove from their positions when the dust settles. President Trump will be ok in the end, but these three have shown themselves to be not worthy of their positions. These three are great examples of the many invasive weeds that need to be pulled from our beautiful garden."

    And another one: "Kangaroo courts and Soviet tactics by the left have shredded the rule of lawm the Constitution and the Republic. I fear there can be no turning back now. The will to power and the rule of man has returned. Even a Trump victory will not solve what ails this nation. There is something more spiritual, fundamentally deeper and more evil than surface level politics at play here, I hope I'm not alone in this belief. We need God and a spiritual revival to have any hope in healing this nation." to which someone replied: "why should 'GOD' want to have anything to do with this foundering cesspool of degenerates and low life filth ... ( let it all burn to the ground ... ) 'HE' will protect 'HIS' faithful ... and the rest deserve the '888' kicking the nation deserves ... and in the end the entire cesspool of humanity deserves ... ( bye ,bye ... ) [sic]."

    Continuing, "Cowards die a thousand deaths."

    So Trump's own thread of violence runs through the comments of right wing blogs as well. Also a kind of self-serious, pretentious pomposity and religiosity coupled with vitriol aimed at left targets (especially Obama) and not-so-veiled threats.

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      This blog comment section is like Disneyland in comparison. And the hate is notably missing, except from the trolls who come here. But why are trolls missing over there?

      My best guess is that people don't troll except for money. The money is being paid by the right to troll the left and not vice versa. If trolling were an effective political toll, the left would be doing it too. So what is trolling for? I think it is meant to discourage targets and suppress votes, not to change minds about anything. And I think it is coming from Russia, more than from right wing sources, although I could be wrong about the use of PAC and dark money to influence the election from both Russia and the right. Trolls have many of the same characteristics of hostility, sociopathy, and desire to hurt others, as I see displayed in these right wing blog comments on the right. Maybe they are getting off on each others' comments and don't need to go pick a fight elsewhere.

      I found this stuff at https://theconservativetreehouse.com. It may be that they moderate their comments to exclude dissent from their dominant ethos, since they describe themselves as being intolerant of hate and division while saying horrifying things about their political enemies. There is a long essay about the differences between conservatives and liberals, that mischaracterizes both, in my opinion.

      "The chatting in the branches encourages, strengthens and equips for some serious walking. We think the Treehouse is a good armory for those who [are] doing long distance walking for the sake of our nation."

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    2. Anonymouse 3:48pm, I’ve never suggested that the DNC sends out bots.

      Why would they need to?

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    3. I am a DNC bot.

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    4. I am not a DNC bot. Spanning Somerby's blog is my calling from Above. My Mission. My Shangri-La.

      I drive my imaginary Tesla and I spam Somerby's blog.

      Somerby is not a liberal.

      I am Corby.

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