The cultural need for villains is strong!

TUESDAY, JUNE 4, 2024

Clarity, not so much: Caitlan Clark v. Chennedy Carter? The entirety of Blue America v. Mrs. [C-Bomb] Alito?

The astounding statement—from a major Blue American pundit!—that Justice Alito needs to learn how "to control his wife?" 

Ignoring Donald J. Trump's fairly apparent mental illness so he can be criticized as a moral being? Where once the press corps bragged about requiring two sources, they now ignore the findings of thirty-seven:

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump
37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President—Updated and Expanded with New Essays

Sorry! Cannot be discussed! Also, it's a lot more fun this way, being "shocked shocked" every time he behaves in accord with his fairly obvious psychiatric disorder!

Within our failing national culture, the need to generate villains is quite strong at the present time. That's even true over here in the world of Blue America.

At present, that inclination will routinely be mixed with the inability to sort out convoluted complexities, such as the nature of the legal theory under which former president Donald J. Trump was recently found guilty of 34 felonies. 

His criminal conduct was extremely serious, we keep being told, because he kept the electorate from hearing an unconfirmable claim according to which he'd engaged in congress on one occasion, ten years before, with someone who wasn't his wife.

We the people needed to know that! (On what other possible basis would we want to vote?) When he kept that important news from us the public, Donald J. Trump committed an extremely serious offense.

To our ear, the entire culture is dissolving into a state of moral and intellectual incoherence. Sometimes you just have to throw back your heads and laugh at the way the need for villains interacts with the general state of overall incomprehension. 

So it was early last Friday on CNN This Morning. We start with Scott Jennings, a former Republican strategist who is now a reasonably sensible CNN political commentator.

As we start, Jennings is attempting to lodge a complaint about the previous day's 34 guilty verdicts. In fairness, it was hard to do that with anti-Trump conservative George Conway persistently butting in:

JENNINGS (5/31/24): That's the core of what a lot of decidedly non-MAGA Republicans are mad about, is that there is no underlying crime.

I looked at the statement from Maine Senator Susan Collins, who I think encapsulated it perfectly. She said this was a partisan prosecutor who promised to get Trump—

CONWAY: Nonsense.

JENNINGS: —and that's what he did.

CONWAY: Absolute nonsense.

JENNINGS: Not promise to go after the law, but he promised—

CONWAY: Pathetic nonsense.

JENNINGS: —he promised to go after Donald Trump. And so the issue is here, what is the crime? He's never been indicted for, or convicted of, the campaign finance theory at the core of this case.

And so Republicans are wondering today, you know, what—what do you have to do to build a defense against something you've never been convicted of in the first place?

Let the word go forth to the nations! In the wake of the 34 verdicts, George Conway had ingested a snootful. The fellow was feeling his oats.

(In order to watch the full exchange, you can start by clicking here.)

That said, we can't say we fully understand Jennings' nascent claim—his claim that there was "no underlying crime" in the case against Trump.

Maybe he could have explained what he meant if he'd been given the chance. Comically, no such opportunity would exist on this particular morning.

Moments later, Kasie Hunt turned to Conway, and this exchange ensued:

HUNT (continuing directly): I mean, George, I will say I have heard from some people who really don't want to see Trump get elected in the Republican Party, who—who are concerned that this is just, this particular case is just going to drive additional enthusiasm for the former president.

I'm interested in you responding to that. And you've got your face in your hands. What have you got to say to Scott?

CONWAY: I have to say—I mean, look—I mean, you know, Scott's lying, and that's the problem with the Republican Party. It is continually addicted to lies.

JENNINGS: Wait a minute. What are my lies?

CONWAY: Your lie—you're lying. You're lying, Scott. You're lying about the law. You're lying about what the jury was charged to find.

It was the start of the greatest sustained accusation of lying since Lawrence O'Donnell melted down on MSNBC, an event which went on much longer than this, as we neared the end of Campaign 2004.

As you'll see below, Conway's assault on the lies of Jennings wasn't done at this point. That said, we now extract a bit of found humor from what Conway said next:

CONWAY (continuing directly): They don't have to find an underlying crime. They had to find the intent to cover up an underlying crime.

And the underlying crime was pretty obvious.

Are you following that? According to Conway, the jury didn't have to find an underlying crime. They merely had to find the intent to cover up an underlying crime!

Meanwhile, the underlying crime—the one the jury didn't have to find—turns out to have been pretty obvious! So said Conway, before launching the L-bombs again.

We're not even saying that what he said there was "wrong." It's possible that Conway could have explained what he meant had he been given the chance.

That wouldn't happen this day! And simply put, a nation can't build a national discourse on so muddy a base. 

At any rate, Jennings now posed a question to Conway. Conway responded with a big swing and an even bigger miss:

JENNINGS (continuing directly): What was the crime?

CONWAY: You ran for public office, Scott. Youyou ran for public office, Scott. You know, you can't take money from somebody and reimburse them for—you know, if it's a campaign expense. You know damn well—

JENNINGS: I've never run—I've never run for public office.

CONWAY: OK, fine. Well, you—you're close enough. You're involved in politics to know that. OK? 

So that's the problem with the Republican Party, is that they are suffused with lies. I don't know why this network is paying Scott to come in and say those lies.

Too funny! As it turned out, Conway's gotcha claim about Jennings was simply wrong. But so what? Without quite naming the underlying crime—the obvious crime the jury didn't have to find—he simply returned to complaining about Jennings' incessant lies.

At this point, Hunt felt she had to step in. This is what she said to Conway. But as with the famous "rage of Achilles," his fury would not be denied:

HUNT (continuing directly): Whoa, whoa. OK. Let's—let's not go there, George, please. Let's not go there.

JENNINGS: No, no, no. He should go there.

HUNT: Scott is—Scott is our colleague, and we're going to treat him respectfully as such. Continue.

CONWAY: Well, he shouldn't lie!

The underlying crime still hadn't exactly been named. In turn, Jennings never explained what he meant when he said there was no such critter.

Instead, Jennings now posed a second question to Conway—and he got a classic non-answer reply:

JENNINGS (continuing directly): Here's my question. If—if it is—if it is an obvious crime, why did the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission take a pass on it?

CONWAY: They should have prosecuted it. It should have been prosecuted on January 21—on January 21, 2021.

So it went on CNN, on the morning after the verdicts. 

We offer this for purposes of amusement only. On the other hand, this is the way our imitation of discourse routinely works at the top of the high-end press corps.

Th other guy is always a liar. Also, no one can ever quite seem to figure anything out.

Villains and liars are all the rage. Clarity, not so much!


86 comments:

  1. Jennings was lying. There is nothing of value in Somerby's essays any more.

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    1. anon 2:48, You must have a lot of free time on your hands to keep reading a blog that has nothing of value. There must be something that pulls you to it.

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    2. TDH is the "go-to" blog for learning the Right-wing Grievance of the Day.

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    3. Anonymouse 4:43pm, welk, why didn’t you say so? I can recommend other blogs that are far and away better at that.

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    4. TDH gives it to me for free.

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    5. Anonymouse 5:07pm, that’s because it’s on Soros’dime.

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    6. Soros is Bob's benefactor?
      Is that true, or is it like everything Right-wingers insist they have proof about, unless it's under oath in a court of law (i.e. 100% Grade A Bullshit)?

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    7. I knew someone was paying Bob to write this shit.
      No one would de-base themselves this publicly, unless they were getting paid for it.

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    8. Anonymouse 6:53pm, even harassed bloggers feel sorry for brain dead anonymices. Soros picks up your tab. Otherwise Bob would charge you twice.

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    9. Cecelia,
      Do you know who pays AC/ MA to make the American Bar Association look foolish? If so, spill it.

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    10. 2 x 0 = 0.
      What Bob lacks in margins, he more than makes-up in volume.
      Can I have my University of Chicago Economics degree, now?

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    11. anon 7:09, you're a nitwit.

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    12. Anonymouse 7:11pm, I’m sorry no one is paying anonymices to look silly, it’s just that you can’t help doing that for free.

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    13. AC/ MA,
      Why? Because I believed your nonsense about being a lawyer?
      I always look like a nitwit when I'm not skeptical about something a Right-winger says. Like the media, I need to work on that.

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    14. Cecelia,
      Your claim about Soros paying Bob or Anonymouses on TDH, is in no way a more bad faith statement than anything else you ever wrote here.
      You're nothing, if not consistent(ly an asshole).

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    15. Anonymouse 7:23pm, do yourself a favor and don’t narrow your focus.

      Work on not looking like a nitwit in general.

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    16. Anonymouse 7:30pm, if this is the latest baddest thing I’ve ever done here, at least try to get the dynamics right.

      I’ve never accused Bob of being paid by Soros or Putin. You?

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    17. Of course you didn't.
      "Anonymouse 5:07pm, that’s because it’s on Soros’dime."
      (Referring to TDH, which Bob Somerby provides for free).

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    18. This whole Soros bit on the right is just anti-Semitism.

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    19. Anonymouse 8:02pm, the anonymouse gets paid by Soros to read a blog that costs him nothing in subscription because that blogger passes his stuff on for free (so helpful to anonymouse bums)

      However, if he was certain that Soros was paying anonymices he wouldn’t charge them once, but twice. .

      Now that we’ve autopsied quips can you find another way to garner some personal relevance?

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    20. Anonymouse 8:13pm, with anonymices antisemitism only flows one way.

      Solely toward the guy who cuts them a check.

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    21. How many Right-wing accusations are really confessions?
      All of them, Katie.

      https://www.propublica.org/article/donald-trump-criminal-cases-witnesses-financial-benefits

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    22. How many many leftwing professions are really accusations? All of them, Mr. Soros.

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    23. Imagine being such a snowflake that you would go to the United States Capitol to stomp your feet in a snit, just because black people's votes were counted in the 2020 Presidential election. Now THAT'S what the media calls "economic anxiousness".

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  2. There is nothing to say to someone who keeps insisting there was no crime, except to consign them to the MAGA heap and ignore them, whether it is Jennings or Somerby. Sadder than excusing Trump for being "mentally ill" instead of a greedy narcissistic sociopath (the main kind of person who gets put in jail for criming).

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    1. There was certainly no 'underlying crime' in the sense that no official proceeding has ever found Trump committed a campaign finance violation.

      The hush money trial jury was giving the nonsensical (in this case) instruction that they had only to find the intent to commit an underlying crime, rather than the fact of an underlying crime.

      So even after their verdict, we still can't say Trump has ever been found in an official proceeding to have committed the underlying crime for which he was convicted.

      Dystopian enough for you?

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    2. No, I want more dystopy.

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    3. I'll just leave this here for Hector. He apparently missed it the last two times I posted it here.

      GOP commissioners have single-handedly blocked FEC action against Trump 29 times

      As of December 2023, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) has received 59 allegations that Donald Trump or his committees violated the Federal Election Campaign Act. In 29 of those cases, nonpartisan staff in the FEC’s Office of General Counsel (OGC) recommended the FEC investigate Trump. Yet not once has a Republican FEC commissioner voted to approve any such investigation or enforcement of the law against Trump.
      https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/gop-commissioners-have-single-handedly-blocked-fec-action-against-trump-29-times/

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    4. I don't think it's possible for several commissioners to do something single-handedly. Unless they are Siamese twins.

      Also, surely they had arguments for voting against FEC action against Trump? Could they have better arguments then those voting (single-handedly?) for the action? Who knows. Certainly you don't.

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    5. Surely not. they are maggots, what other reason is needed?

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    6. They aren't idiot-moonbats. So, how bad can they be?

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    7. 3:28,

      thank you for providing evidence confirming the facts I stated in my post. It's rare to see this kind of bipartisan cooperation.

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    8. Yes, you have proven that when you corruptly decline to investigate dozens of credible campaign violations, you won't find any. If I close my eyes, I won't see anything. You're brilliant.

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    9. anon3:28, like the FEC commissioners, you seem entirely partisan. The FEC is dysfunctional. there are 2 dems and 2 GOP members. (A tie-breaking member can't get appointed due to filibustering by the minority party, as I understand it). Does, the same impasse take place when it's a democrat who might have violated campaign laws? Also, it's my understanding that the US Attorney can bring a prosecution for criminal violation of election laws, without any action taken by the FEC -I don't believe the FEC prosecutes criminal cases, they issue fines. You seem to know something about this - am I mistaken?

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    10. AC/MA:
      1. Then it is clear that the maggots who infest this blog are idiots for constantly raising the fact that Trump was never fined by the FEC as some sort of prove or argument that the violations involved in his 34 felony counts were bogus.
      2. As I was attempting to illustrate yesterday, apparently the democrats on the FEC are not total partisan and did vote to investigate the Clinton campaign.

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    11. anon 5:50 you lose credibility when you call people "maggots" who "infest" this site and are "idiots." I agree you that the failure of the FEC to investigate Trump isn't a valid basis to criticize the prosecution of Trump by Bragg - it's irrelevant. You didn't address my other question - are you aware of any reason why the US Attorney could not have prosecuted Trump for election fraud?

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    12. AC/ MA loses credibility the old-fashioned way. Writing things that remove all doubt, instead of being silent.

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    13. Cohen was prosecuted during Trump’s administration. Barr quashed the investigation into Trump.

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    14. It is amazing how people always seem to forget that it was the justice department in 2018, under Trump, who raided Michael Cohen's home and office and seized boxes of documents and electronic files related to the hush money payments to Stormy.

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      As Rachel explained on last night’s show, the federal prosecutor overseeing the Southern District of New York at the time was Geoffrey Berman — a lifelong Republican, who worked on the Trump campaign and the Trump transition team, and who was chosen by Trump for the office. It was Berman who later wrote a book about his experiences, shedding light on what transpired in the Cohen case.

      In fact, according to Berman, after his office secured Cohen’s guilty plea, officials from the Justice Department in Washington, D.C., started intervening in matters in New York City, effectively trying to make the Trump/Cohen mess go away.

      Berman went so far as to claim that once Bill Barr became Trump’s attorney general, Barr “not only tried to kill the ongoing investigations, but — incredibly — suggested that Cohen’s conviction on campaign finance charges should be reversed.”

      Berman’s office was told to “cease all investigative work” on the allegations until Barr and his team were satisfied that there was a legal basis to the campaign finance charges to which Cohen had already pleaded guilty. The prosecutor wondered at the time about whether the then-attorney general was trying to shield Trump from possible legal liabilities after he was out of office.

      All of which is to say, Barr and his team directly intervened in an ongoing federal criminal investigation that implicated the then-president, who’d appointed Barr. As part of this intervention, Berman’s office was also directed to remove damaging references to Trump in court filings.

      In case that weren’t enough, Trump’s Justice Department also directed Berman to investigate Democrats who’d committed no crimes. When the prosecutor resisted, Barr told the public that Berman had resigned. He hadn’t. Soon after, Trump fired him. https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/didnt-trumps-trial-start-years-earlier-blame-bill-barr-rcna148036
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      Every right-wing allegation is a confession. There is no exception.

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    15. So, tell us again, AC, about Bragg’s “politicization of justice.” 🙄

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    16. I had forgotten all about that Berman story. Trump and his enablers have been involved in so. much. corruption and scandal, we've forgotten huge chunks of it. If Biden did just ONE of these things, we would never hear the end of it -- from neither Trump supporters or the media. For example, if Biden abused the presidential pardon the way Trump did. Can you imagine? And that's just ONE of an endless series of corrupt, scandalous, should-be-criminal acts Trump engaged in. And yet people on here want to talk about a NY district attorney bringing a POSSIBLY questionable case against an obvious criminal -- a case that was decided in Bragg's favor relatively quickly and unanimously by 12 random citizens that had gone through jury selection and had been approved of by both sides. It's fucking surreal. Trump and Barr corrupted the justice system, and Trump is promising to be worse if given another chance. And everyone knows Trump is guilty of far worse crimes anyway. Who the fuck cares if he was convicted of a lesser crime? And how many times are we going to hear this line of reasoning: "nonsensical (in this case) instruction that they had only to find the intent to commit an underlying crime." How many times does it need to be pointed out that if you fire a gun with the INTENT to murder someone, even if you miss your target, you've still committed a crime?

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    17. Even consigliere Barr washed his hands of Trump, but what with his being thoroughly corrupt it appears he is willing to get them dirty again.

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    18. Mike L:

      As the great Driftglass says, "no fair remembering things".

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    19. Turns out the Right knows nothing about the law, just like they know nothing about economics.

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  3. Our society looks for villains in order to protect people from their evil ways. You don't have to "create" them -- there are plenty of them around.

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    1. Yes, and we should note that Bob has never expressed an ounce of sympathy for anyone Trump had slandered, ripped off, or sexually abused.

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  4. Trump is guilty. Not of any specific offense, though. Trump is guilty of general criminality.

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    1. Trump is a landlord- nuff said.

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    2. Trump is guilty of cecelian davidism.

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  5. Kevin is vigilant:

    https://jabberwocking.com/matt-gaetz-is-the-top-user-of-new-congressional-honor-system/

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  6. Funny shit, thanks Bob.

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    1. It could have been an interesting interview if Kasie Hunt knew what she was doing.

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  7. There was no underlying crime is roughly as true as the press had refused to ever explore Trump’s mental illness. If Trump is so obviously mentally ill, why did they nominate a madman to lead the West? Oh I forgot, that’s Nicole Wallace’s fault.

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    1. Anonymouse 7:04pm, at this point, the rudimentary fact is that no one answer that “question” realistically.

      That is due to the certainty, long born of experience, that if Bob had ever highlighted criminality over mental illness, you would now be wringing your hands over that.

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    2. If unhinged accusations were electricity, Cecelia would be a powerhouse.

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    3. Anonymouse 8:15am, you’re the Dr. Claudine Gay of originality.

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    4. 8:59,
      You're an asshole. And always have been.

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    5. Anonymouse 9:06am, that’s the near beer of insults.

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  8. Joy Behar peed in her pants at Costco when she heard the verdict that Trump was Braggmerchaned. How many commenters here had a similar reaction?

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  9. The mental health of past presidents could be an interesting discussion. LBJ, for instance, bore a mountain of profound psychological disorders. And Nixon? We could be here all night.

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    1. Fawn Brodie wrote a psychological bio of Nixon:

      https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Nixon-Shaping-His-Character/dp/0393335038

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  10. "Maybe he could have explained what he meant if he'd been given the chance. Comically, no such opportunity would exist on this particular morning."

    Is this the same blog where Our Host recently pined for the golden days of Crossfire?

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  11. Judge Merchan was not unclear in his charge to the jury. The "underlying crime" was a violation of New York state election law.

    See for yourself:
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/29/politics/read-the-jury-instructions-from-judge-juan-merchan-in-the-trump-hush-money-trial/index.html

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    1. Somerby makes a false and misleading complaint, a commenter (QiB) posts an explanation that clarifies the circumstance that Somerby seems confused by, and crickets from the fanboys.

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  12. More charges of forgery in the fake electors scheme. If Bob were an honorable person he would apologize to Rachel Maddow.

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    1. "If Bob were an honorable person..."
      LOL.

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  13. I’m very grateful to Mr Soros. I live in luxury because of his generosity.

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    1. Or an efficiency apartment, but, yeah, a step up is a step up.

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  14. Trump’s endorsed candidate for senate in New Jersey, Christine Glassner, lost her primary. Trump stench is real.

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  15. Leave Cecelia alone. You'd be confused too, if you spent most of your time assuring that 11-year olds carried their rapist's babies to term.

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    1. The sight of a child 12 years or under sends anonymices into fits.

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    2. Ho-hum.
      That's what all the people who support a rapist running for President of the United States say.

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    3. I am Soros' trained monkey, Captain Crazypants. I get internet access every morning from 8:00 till 8:20. That's enough time for 7-8 one-liners from our database. Shitty job, but someone has to do it.

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    4. Donald Trump is almost as jealous of Joe Biden as he is of Jared Kushner's penis.

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    5. I am Soros' trained monkey, Captain Crazypants.
      I have more word-salad one-liners than Corby two feet long word-salads.

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    6. Hi Captain Crazypants.
      Will you be voting for the rapist the Republican Party nominated for President?

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    7. I am Soros' trained monkey, Captain Crazypants.
      I do whatever mastah Soros tells me to do.

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    8. Captain Crazypants,
      Does Soros tell you to remind the Right that they threw a childish temper tantrum at the United States Capitol, just because black people's votes were counted in the 2020 Presidential election?
      If not, I'll pay you to do it every day.

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    9. Soros isn't paying any trained monkey called Captain Crazypanyts.
      However, it is 100% true that snowflakes on the Right threw a childish temper tantrum at the United States Capitol, just because black people's votes were counted in the 2020 Presidential election.

      Do you see the difference?

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  16. The Republican Party nominating a rapist to be their Presidential nominee is almost too spot-on.

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    1. I am Soros' trained monkey, Captain Crazypants. And sometimes, if I shit my pants twice, I get more internet time.

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    2. 9:14,
      Good one. I haven't laughed that hard since I saw the Right's reaction to black people's votes being counted in the 2020 Presidential election.

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    3. Anonymouse 9:23am, how many votes did you forge?

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    4. Valley Forge.

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  17. Conway is correct. Jennings is a liar and the verdict against Trump was 100% correct.

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  18. Immigrant rainbows make me cry harder at drag queens.

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