THURSDAY, MAY 29, 2025
Quickly, his segment fizzled: Was something wrong with President Biden, even as he sat in the Oval Office?
Increasingly, it's widely assumed that the answer seems to be yes. Increasingly, it's widely assumed that the former president was already the victim of some type of cognitive decline—of something resembling some form of "dementia"—even as he sat in the White House and decided to seek re-election.
At this site, we're not like the rest of the kids! If someone has suffered a cognitive loss, we don't react with vast surprise when such people display limited cognitive powers.
We don't rush to blame such people for their loss of cognitive power. We regard it as a (familiar) human tragedy—as a tragic loss of human capability and potential.
That said, is it possible that something was wrong with President Biden? In early September 2023, David Ignatius may already have believed that the answer was yes when he wrote this surprising column in the Washington Post:
President Biden should not run again in 2024
Joe Biden launched his candidacy for president in 2019 with the words “we are in the battle for the soul of this nation.” He was right. And though it wasn’t obvious at first to many Democrats, he was the best person to wage that fight. He was a genial but also shrewd campaigner for the restoration of what legislators call “regular order.”
Since then, Biden has had a remarkable string of wins. He defeated President Donald Trump in the 2020 election; he led a Democratic rebuff of Trump’s acolytes in the 2022 midterms; his Justice Department has systematically prosecuted the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection that Trump championed and, now, through special counsel Jack Smith, the department is bringing Trump himself to justice.
What I admire most about President Biden is that in a polarized nation, he has governed from the center out, as he promised in his victory speech. With an unexpectedly steady hand, he passed some of the most important domestic legislation in recent decades. In foreign policy, he managed the delicate balance of helping Ukraine fight Russia without getting America itself into a war. In sum, he has been a successful and effective president.
But I don’t think Biden and Vice President Harris should run for reelection. It’s painful to say that, given my admiration for much of what they have accomplished. But if he and Harris campaign together in 2024, I think Biden risks undoing his greatest achievement—which was stopping Trump.
On September 12, 2023, so wrote David Ignatius. The last statement in that opening passage turned out to be prophetic.
Full disclosure! Ignatius never referenced cognitive decline in the course of his surprising column. He only mentioned President Biden's age, and the way his advanced age was being viewed by large swaths of the electorate.
Ignatius never mentioned cognition. We'll guess that may have been the place his column came from, but we have no way to be sure.
Was something wrong with President Biden? Was his judgment already limited? Is it possible that major decisions were now being made—or were being influenced to an irregular degree—by various people around him?
Yes, of course that's possible—and, despite Ignatius' words of praise, the judgments being made were often remarkably poor. We refer, for example, to the ludicrous conduct at the southern border, accompanied by the lack of any attempt to explain those border policies.
Beyond that, we refer to the ludicrous approach to widespread concerns about inflation and the cost of living, in which President Biden kept stressing the utterly silly practice of "shrinkflation"—the practice by which consumers get charged the same old price for a slightly smaller bag of cookies or (potato) chips.
That was a ridiculous way to push back against inflation concerns. Was it a product of limited cognitive power, insisted on by the victim of that tragic decline?
Early in the June 27 debate, President Biden's apparent decline could no longer be hidden or wished away. It's as we noted on Tuesday:
At the nine-minute mark of that debate, the president authored a halting, tumbling non-answer answer which ended up making so little sense that it was no longer possible to avoid an obvious possibility:
Something seemed to be wrong with President Biden! Major Democrats still tiptoed around the specific shape of the problem. But at that debate, with the whole world watching, the reality of this apparent affliction was suddenly there for everyone to see.
Is it true that something was wrong with President Biden? For ourselves, we would take it as obvious that the answer is yes. And while we're at it, let's say it again:
In any such circumstance, we of course regard that affliction as a terrible human tragedy—as a tragic loss of human potential, as a tragic loss of the ability to lead a fully productive life.
We regard any such affliction as a human tragedy. But any such affliction is an affliction nonetheless.
Was something wrong with President Biden? Increasingly, it seems that the answer is yes. Within that context, along has come a woman from Maine who has voiced a related question:
Is it possible that something is wrong with the current sitting president? Is it possible that something is wrong with President Trump?
So asked the island dweller in yesterday's New York Times. As we noted yesterday, her letter reads exactly like this, New York Times heading included:
Trump Is Crossing So Many Lines
To the Editor:
Re “Trump Gives Commencement Address at West Point” (news article, May 25):
President Joe Biden was excoriated for his embarrassing and revealing performance at the campaign debate last year. Where is the press reaction to President Trump’s embarrassing, inappropriate and at times unhinged performance at West Point on Saturday, complete with his disrespectful red cap?
It was a public moment that should raise alarms about his mental health and judgment, just as Mr. Biden’s debate disaster did.
J— K—
Arrowsic, Maine
The letter came from a very small town—from a very small town on an island. The writer is asking a set of good questions. Paraphrasing just a bit, her questions go like this:
Is it possible that something is wrong with President Trump?
Also, and speaking a bit more generally:
Where is the press corps' reaction to the endless bizarre behaviors of the current sitting president? What explains the lack of alarm about his peculiar behaviors?
In our view, this island dweller is making a set of perfectly valid points:
She says that President Biden's performance at that debate should have raised alarms about "his mental health and judgment." She also says that similar alarms should exist with respect to President Trump.
She suggests that President Trump's "mental health and judgment" should be the source of widespread alarm. It seems to us that her assessment is basically right.
Is the letter writer right? In our view, the answer is yes. She refers to President Trump's speech at West Point last weekend. We would instead refer to an endless string of ludicrous statements made by this sitting president—absurdly inaccurate factual claims which undermine the American discourse "in a way unlikely ever to be undone."
He never stops making these ludicrous statements! Is something wrong with President Trump? We'd guess that the (tragic) answer is yes.
That said, the New York Times, and the rest of the American press, is never going to give direct voice to any such focused sense of alarm. As with the fictional citizens of Camus' fictional Oran, the men and women of the American press simply aren't able to come to terms with that fairly obvious task.
Neither are the men and women who pretend to function at the highest levels of this nation's academic establishment. In our view, no clearly stated sense of alarm has emerged from that province either.
Is something wrong with President Trump—with his "mental health?" Why won't anyone at the New York Times, or anywhere else, directly pose that question?
As in Oran, so too here today. The authority figures we're taught to respect simply aren't up to that challenge. They aren't smart enough to tackle that question, nor do they have the requisite courage.
Presumably, they all believe that something may be wrong with the president's "mental health," but they aren't going to say so! Consider what happened in the final segment of the MSNBC program, All In, this past Tuesday night.
So promising! Chris Hayes started that final, rather brief segment in the very place where we ourselves had started that morning's report. As you can see by clicking here, he started that segment like this:
HAYES (5/27/25): If we're going to have a conversation about the mental acuity of a recent president, it does seem a little weird to be focusing exclusively on the last one, and not to also include the one who blasted out this typically, truly insane, all-caps social media screed yesterday...
Already, the worms of conflation were infesting that formulation. Tomorrow, we'll be more specific.
At any rate, Hayes now began to read from a "typically insane" Truth Socia post by the current sitting president. In our own report that morning, we had started in that same place.
The full text of the president's screed appeared on the screen as Hayes read the way it started:
HAYES (continuing directly): "Happy Memorial Day to all"—
OK. Weird way to start.
"—including the scum that spent the last four years trying to destroy our country through warped radical left minds, who allowed 21 million people to illegally enter our country, many of them being criminals and the mentally insane, through an open border policy that only an incompetent president would approve."
And on and on and on, like an old man ranting at the sky.
At that point, Hayes introduced the two guests who were supposedly going to help him discuss the point he was attempting to make.
What exactly was that point? Hayes seemed to be saying that, even if something had been wrong with President Biden, something seems to be wrong with President Trump as well. He seemed to be echoing the lady from Maine—the woman who said that alarms should be raised within the press about the current president's "mental health and judgment."
We agree with the lady from Maine, and that start by Hayes may have seemed promising. But in the beginning was the end, and this apparent attempt at discussion fizzled out very fast.
Is something wrong with President Trump? Should the New York Times be devoting a series of article to that possibility? Should Hayes be devoting a series of segments to that woman's sense of alarm?
In our view, the answer is yes, but Hayes will never do that. Almost surely, his corporate owners won't allow it, and—not unlike the undisguised clowns who message on the Fox News Channel—he's being paid a very large (undisclosed) sum to color within the lines.
Why did this segment fizzle and die? Why will there be no follow-up?
In the beginning was the end! Hayes had laid the foundation of self-defeat right there in his opening statement. The short segment which ensued may have been a mildly pleasing sponge bath for viewers out in Blue America, but no real attempt was made to examine the question with which it started:
Something was wrong with President Biden? OK, but is it possible that something is wrong with the current sitting president?
In our view, the answer to that question seem to be (tragically) yes. That said, Hayes and his colleagues at MSNBC won't be articulating that possible point of alarm. Neither will the New York Times—and neither will our greatest academics.
Simply put, we humans aren't built for this line of work. Tomorrow, we'll journey back in time to show you what the greatest minds of the last century were thinking about, even as we first walked through the gates at Harvard College back in the mid-1960s.
Chris Hayes isn't going to explore that Maine woman's state of alarm. In fairness, neither will anyone else at Blue America's cable news channel.
Meanwhile, from the greatest minds at our great universities, the silence has been (almost) universal. The lady from Yale did give it a try. We all saw what happened to her.
Tomorow: The Quine–Putnam indispensability argument!
ReplyDelete"Was something wrong with President Biden, even as he sat in the Oval Office?"
Is something wrong with a vegetable planted in a garden? No, nothing's wrong with it. It's sitting exactly where it was planted.
But something might be wrong with the people who planted it. Same here.
Why is it so important to Somerby that people be widely assumed to think there was something wrong with Biden?
ReplyDeleteBiden completed a term in office that was widely thought to be one of the best presidencies since FDR. Why isn't that enough? Somerby has to knock down this courageous and hard-working man to denigrate his efforts on the basis of his age, without any evidence that his age had any negative impact on his performance in office. Why?
The left has nothing to gain by trampling its own heroes. The right has an obvious interest in distracting from Trump's massive corruption and incompetence. Somerby claims to be liberal but his efforts today advance the interests of the right wing. They do not aid Democrats and they do nothing to help us survive Trump's disastrous acts. So why is Somerby writing this total crap?
Hear, hear!!!
DeleteGood news: Trump found people committing Social Security and Medicare FRAUD!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteTrump Pardons Rich Influencers for Tax Evasion, Medicare and Social Security Fraud
Another high-profile Trump pardon recipient this week is Paul Walczak, a Florida healthcare executive who ran several companies.
Walczak was convicted last year after pleading guilty to tax crimes, including failing to pay more than $10 million in payroll taxes withheld from the paychecks of over 600 employees. The DOJ alleged that the funds, intended for Social Security, Medicare, and federal income taxes, were used to finance Walczak’s personal expenses, including a $2 million yacht, luxury cars, and high-end shopping.
The Department of Justice documented that from 2016 to 2019, Walczak withheld nearly $7.5 million from employees and failed to pay an additional $3.5 million in employer payroll taxes.
He also allegedly stopped filing personal income tax returns after 2018, despite drawing a $360,000 salary and transferring $450,000 from business accounts to himself.
Walczak was sentenced to 18 months in prison in April 2025, ordered to pay $4.4 million in restitution, and given two years of supervised release.
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I won't be surprised if Paul Walczak ends up U.S. Senator from FL. What do you think, Dickhead in Cal?
DeleteTrump admires fellow white, white collar criminals. It's those dark skinned criminals trying to get enough to eat (the cats and the dogs) that done upset him.
DeleteThose "dark skinned criminals" should go back to Haiti, and admirably eat all the cats and dogs there.
DeleteAs long as there is money or bitcoin to be exchanged the cottage industry of pardoning felons will flourish.
DeleteIf you wouldn't want other countries to send their criminals to the USA, why is it OK for us to send our criminals to other countries?
DeleteWhy not, if those other countries take them?
Delete@2:05 You reflect the "me" society where the only thing that matters is your own interest. Why not? Because our criminals are our responsibility to deal with. Foisting them on others by sending them away hurts other countries and is not good for their societies. We would care about that because we see ourselves as part of a larger international community in which people help each other, not deliberately hurt them by sending them criminals.
DeleteAttacks are not working. The issues of Trump's trade policy, his supposed mental deterioration and inappropriate pardons are not moving the needle.
ReplyDeleteMorning Consult - Trump Approval is unchanged since last week
Approve: 48% (=)
Disapprove: 50% (=)
According to Morning Consult's poll, there has been a 9-point swing in voters' approval of Trump's trade policy in just two weeks.
Trade sentiment improves: For the first time since March, more voters approve than disapprove of Trump’s handling of trade policy (47% to 45%). Voters remain closely divided over whether they approve of Trump’s handling of the economy or trust Republicans over Democrats to deal with the matter.
https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/1927524294499680313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1927524294499680313%7Ctwgr%5Eda52bb2a946b416c9156c469c0f3d977e2ff507b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fdavid-strom%2F2025%2F05%2F28%2Ftrump-job-approval-not-great-but-rising-n3803154
DeleteYou're like a fucking child, Dickhead in Cal. Running here to brag about your daddy being better than our daddy. Go fuck yourself. Go play with your maggot friends. You're not better than them.
DeleteDavid, with 92% negative media coverage.
DeleteTACO President. Not because Trump Always Chickens Out on tariffs, because he got a taco smells in his diaper. It's all the fentynal makes him poopy and stupid.
DeleteIf we had a a press who wasn't intimidated by the piece of shits in American threats coverage would be 100% negative. Taco man.
DeleteCope, Soros-bot.
DeleteTrump is very good at defeating his enemies, but his victory over the media shocked even me. In 2016 the mainstream media were almost all powerful. They were anti-conservative, but could pretend to be objective. We conservatives knew they were biased, but the general public trusted them.
DeleteSomehow Trump goaded the media into becoming so blatantly biased that they blew their credibility. Now pretty much everyone knows that they're not fair and objective. So, they've lost much of their power to shape public opinion.
Anonymouse 11:27am, that would like put his approval rating at 60%.
DeleteGeez, I can’t think of a corrupt fascist in all of history that had a high approval rating. Whenever anyone on this thread points out the astonishing contempt this clown has for the law, it’s deflection time. Oh yeah. A lot of people were incinerated by a popular politician. Fucking losers.
DeleteImplicit in David's ramblings is that he doesn't care about Trump's transgressions or failures, but only that he's "winning"...in whatever sense. The fact that Trump administration has done nothing but destroy things doesn't faze him, just like the rest of his cult. It's only that Trump is "winning".
DeleteThe trope that the media leans left is so trite and dishonest that it's not worth even discussing. It is worth pointing out that Trump has always been a media creature. He knew deep down that he was nothing without the media.
Let's not get confused about how he got elected in the first place: The Apprentice invented him. There were, of course, other variables.
The media has been critical of Trump? His corruption has not gotten nearly enough play. Finally, Ezrak Klein has an in-depth piece about it: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/28/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-zeke-faux.html?smid=url-share
By the way, WaPo has made it quite explicit why Bezos has acquired the paper: it's to promote free-market claptrap and, certainly, not alienate Trump.
Cecelia adds spice by being a man pretending to be a woman, but both David and Cecelia are just professional trolls.
DeleteYawn.
DiC conveniently forgets the blatant bias of the “media” called “fox news”, and its incessant drumbeat of lies and propaganda always attacking Democrats and fluffing Trump as if they were KCNA, with its toxic Gutfeld sludge
DeleteLet’s also not forget that trump has done nothing to improve anyone’s life, except the pardons-in-exchange for millions, and in fact, most people’s lives are going to get worse. His tariffs are now declared unconstitutional and his budget bill hasn’t passed yet. Its all hot air and manic right wing propaganda fueling trump at the moment.
Also, DiC is reading a blog that takes the media to task for not examining Trump’s mental condition/personality disorder. Go figure.
DeleteAnonymices and Ilya, one topic Somerby frequently discusses (almost every day) is the public's political perceptions. Each day, he is castigated for this, as such trivial matters are deemed insignificant by saintly lefty commenters, even as they wish for Trump's death.
I understand that you look down on the ignorant masses, but have you geniuses seen your favorability numbers?
Anonymouse 1:31pm, we make you anything and everything , but bored or drowsy.
DeleteI understand that you look down on the ignorant masses, but have you geniuses seen your favorability numbers?
DeleteCecilia: I only look down on the "ignorant masses" when they proudly display their ignorance. Other than that, I am happy to point them to the sources of information.
PS: As the old adage goes: it's better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think that you're an idiot than open it and prove it conclusively.
Secondly, yes Bob does bring up the "public political perception". Typically, it's in the context of the part that the media plays in creating those perceptions.
DeleteThe media, as a point of fact, is solely responsible for creating Trump, someone who under normal circumstances, would be considered a low level grifter. In many ways, the media continues the pretense that Trump is something other than a conman, possibly with some cognitive decline, as Bob keeps bringing that up.
IIya, I get it. If Democrats were truly honest they wouldn’t merely voice this sort of opinion on a blogboard, they'd make it a campaign slogan. Evidently, there are one two morons in the upper echelon of the DNC who feel that it’s best to couch the sage-like wisdom of ignoring the guy and the public.
DeleteYou are describing the difference between running a positive campaign and a negative one. In a positive campaigning you focus on your own candidate's strengths, policies and accomplishments. In a negative campaign, you attack and tear down the opposition candidate.
DeleteResearch shows that voters dislike negative campaigns. Democrats tend to favor positive campaigns because of such findings, but also because it is a 'high road' that emphasizes the issues, which is in keeping with democratic values about giving voters info and trusting them to make informed choices, as our electoral system is supposed to function. I think Republicans don't care how they campaign as long as they win. They will lie, cheat, steal, accept help from foreigners, ratfuck the opponents and do anything that puts them in office. I think that shows a lack of values and is incongruent with a functioning democracy. Republicans think that people like me are chumps and losers. I'd rather have my candidate win fairly than cheat.
So, this is not about ignoring the guy and the public, as you say, but of focusing on how best to solve our nations problems and bring prosperity to all. YMMV
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ReplyDeleteSome of us here at the Howler comentariat are old enough to remember the 2016 presidential election. Back then the sages told us that even though Trump's rhetoric -- his idiotic insults, posturing, self-congratulations -- were over the top, he was sure to become more measured and presidential once he assumed the office of President. Trump didn't. It's not in him.
ReplyDeleteHe continued with his bizarre wee hours of the night tweets; his crass language; all of the kitschy shit that was the staple of his highly performative but vapid show. He continued to play the part that the media has cultivated for him. Perhaps, not unexpectedly, Trump turned against his Dr. Frankenstein, the media.
Some of us still remember Trump's heartwarming X-mas message: "Merry Christmas....even the scum on the unhinged liberal left...." -- or some such nonsense. Trump's Memorial Day greeting is nothing new. I don't know if it speaks to some fundamental change in his cognitive abilities.
Is Trump visibly demented? Sure. What's more interesting is the openness of his corruption. Perhaps, the brazenness of his corruption portends of his mental decline. On the other hand, who can argue with success? He's proceeding to enrich himself and no one bats an eyelash.
The frontal lobes are the area of the brain damaged in dementia. That is the area where impulse control, judgment and self-monitoring occur. When a very elderly man has Alzheimer's, for example, he may flirt with young women and make sexually inappropriate remarks to them. The lewd and lusty remarks escape the filtering for appropriateness that is usually performed by the frontal lobe. A sentence is generated, then there is a review by the brain to decide if the consequences of saying that thing are worth it. That doesn't happen in people with dementia. So they talk about trophy wives to Boy Scouts and Westpoint graduates without any thought to whether it is appropriate or on-topic or even something his audience might want to hear.
DeletePeople with dementia have short-term memory problems. They do not focus attention on what they are saying, have trouble separating what they thought about from what actually happened or was said. So they repeat themselves, over and over. Trump has lost all recognition of how many times he has talked about the same stuff (Hannibal Lecter, sharks) and he has no idea how those thoughts that pop into his head fit into the topic of his speech or should be suppressed as irrelevant.
Word finding is often a problem in dementia. A speaker forgets the word that he meant to say and gropes for it in a blank memory, ultimately substituting a different word that is often inappropriate to the context, not right in meaning. Trump does this frequently.
When a normal person is interrupted while speaking, they have an overall concept of what they were saying that guides them back to their topic. When Trump is interrupted (often by his own fleeting thoughts) he cannot return to the topic so he goes off on tangents or speaks that fleeting thought, making no sense at all. Trump pretends that is his style (weaving), but it is an obvious symptom of dementia to anyone who has spent time around people with that condition.
Bident doesn't do any of these things. He can focus and express coherent ideas without going off on tangents, and he understands what he hears others say and can relate their ideas to his own thoughts. His cognition is normal, with the usual episodic memory decline (memory for what you had for breakfast) and slowing of reaction times (how fast can you swat a fly?) that are the main effects of normal (healthy) aging.
The contrast between Trump and Biden is so glaring to anyone with experience with old people, that the political motives for ignoring Trump's deficiencies while attack Biden over no actual impairment become equally obvious.
Both men are being wronged by this political wrangling. Trump deserves treatment and should not be placed in a position where he can damage others with his behavior, as he has been doing. Biden deserves to be treated as competent and not maligned simply because he is old. He deserves the respect appropriate to his accomplishments and the positive regard of those around him, not a calculated attempt to destroy his reputation by those on the right. Biden is being scapegoated for Trump's mistakes. That has to be elder abuse.
Ilya, at one time Trump had four criminal lawsuits against him and a slew of civil cases. Literally everything was thrown at him. His media coverage now is uniformly negative since he was sworn in. Trump does not tend toward magnanimity at the best of times, he sure as hell will never be that way to any of his adversaries in the last four years of his presidency. Won’t happen.
Delete“Everything was thrown at him” it’s almost as if he committed potential crimes that needed to be prosecuted. Criminals do often get charges thrown at them.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:09pm, the horrors will be dust by 2029.
DeleteHow did Trump win a majority of the 2024 vote despite all the flaws Ilya pointed out as well as overwhelming opposition by the media? Trump must have considerable strengths that offset these things. He must have done a lot of things right. What are they?
DeleteThere are so many crimes that Trump was never charged with. For example, toward the end of his first term, he gave a painting hanging in the White House to someone he was meeting with. Cameras showed the guy walking out of the building with it. Trump doesn't own those paintings -- the American people do. He had no right to give one away like that. But he was never prosecuted for it, even though many of the White House paintings are quite valuable.
DeleteThen there was the 13 yo who Trump raped at an Epstein party. He escaped prosecution for that one too.
So, it was not literally everything that was thrown at Trump. Just the major charges that they thought they could prove conclusively. They let him slide on so much!
Cecilia: As I recall, Trump lost the two civil cases that E.J. Carole brought against him.
DeleteI happen to be in the minority on the left and agree with Bob that criminalizing his payoff to Stormy Daniels was a stretch.
On the other hand, his phone call to GA officials demanding the exact number of votes to put him over the top should've been prosecuted.
Let's not lose sight that there tens of thousands of people caught up in the legal system for much lesser transgressions than Trump has committed over the years.
Delete"How did Trump win a majority of the 2024 vote despite all the flaws Ilya pointed out as well as overwhelming opposition by the media?"
That's because there are only two parties and Trump is a million times better than any idiot-Democrat.
Anon@1:35: I hear what you're saying. I just find that it misses the mark more than a little to talk about Trump's cognitive deficiencies. His grifting -- meme coins, tariffs, airplanes -- continues apace, while the shadowy figures behind him continue with lawlessness, e.g. kidnapping people, dismantling agencies, etc.
DeleteI just don't know where Trump's dementia fits into this picture.
David, Trump did not win a majority of the 2024 vote. He won a plurality. That means he got more votes than Harris, but he didn't break 50% of the votes cast.
DeleteYou seem unfamiliar with the concept that Trump gets votes not because he does things right, but because he does things wrong. What does he do wrong? He is busy dismantling civil rights to please white supremacists and racists. That is wrong but pleases a lot of voters. He promoted the patriarchy and promised white men dominion over women, which lots of men liked. He took away a woman's right to choose her own health care and make decisions affecting her body, just to please the Religious and anti-abortion crowd. That was wrong but it gained him votes. He promised his supporters that they would become winners and get rich. That was wrong of him to do, but gained him votes among the stupid and credulous. He promised Putin he could have parts of Ukraine (and all of our secrets) and Putin bought him a bunch of votes. That was wrong but it helped him win. And then there was voter suppression. Another wrong deed that gained him votes.
Cheaters do often win, but perhaps not in the longer run. It doesn't mean they've done something right.
"I happen to be in the minority on the left and agree with Bob that criminalizing his payoff to Stormy Daniels was a stretch."
DeleteIlya, the payoff wasn't criminalized. It was the use of corporate funds to make the payoff which involved falsifying the corporate business records to conceal what the money was spent for. It was described as money for legal services paid to Michael Cohen when it was actually a reimbursement to Cohen for the payoff, which Cohen mortgaged his house to pay. If Trump had made the payments himself to Daniels, out of his own pocket, there wouldn't have been a crime.
This was a complicated crime because the payoff was made to protect his campaign for president right after the pussy tape came out. When a corporation makes a payment to benefit a campaign and it is not reported but falsified as a business expense, that is fraud.
Somerby has not presented this issue accurately. He dislikes Stormy Daniels and thinks she got Trump into trouble by extorting him for sex, and later hush money. Daniels was unmarried and wanted to talk about her sex with Trump, but it was Trump who wanted her silenced to protect his campaign. Somerby has misreported this since day 1 because of his own political motives and/or animosity toward sex-positive women. Trump is a proven sexual predator who doesn't need Somerby's protection.
IIya, the statement Trump made about finding some Trump votes is the most trivial charge. There’s too many benign reasons for saying that and it would have never flown outside of Fulton Co, NYC, or DC ( if that had been applicable). They waived the statute of limitation on sexual assault in order to go after Trump via a woman who had never accused him of assault till 20 years after the fact.
DeleteForgot this part: When the payoff money was described in business records as for legal services that permitted the corporation to write it off as a legitimate business expense for tax purposes. Because it was not a legitimate expense, describing it that way (falsifying the purpose of the payment) was also tax fraud, because it was deducted from gross earnings before taxes.
DeleteLook at the way Trump buried Ivana Trump on his Bedminster Golf Course property, making it possible to take a tax deduction for that use. He thinks he is clever working the system to grift on taxes and business expenses. This is more of the same. It may be that he does this all the time, or perhaps only when he feels resentful about having to pay a woman he dislikes some of his money. But he has gotten in trouble for similar grifts in other contexts.
Cecelia, you seem to think that waiving the statute of limitations on sex crimes was done specifically to target Trump, but it was being done all over the country to allow prosecution of such crimes. Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein are examples of others prosecuted long after their cries.
DeleteOne reason for doing this is that so many women were mistreated by the justice system when they attempted to report sex crimes. Another reason is that the humiliation and shame felt by the victims tended to prevent them from going public by reporting the crime. The psychological distress tends to fade over time and women have more support now for coming forward, so in fairness to those women deterred by past attitudes, the deadlines have been extended. In some cases (like E.Jean Carroll's), the deadline for civil cases was waived but not for criminal prosecution. If you had an ounce of empathy, you would understand that the prosecution of Trump was to benefit E.Jean Carroll, who lived with his abuse of her for many years. There are many more women with complaints against Trump, who seems to have been abusing women his entire adult life, by his own admission on that pussy tape.
You have huge nerve suggesting that this was just about getting Trump and not about justice and fairness to women who had little chance for obtaining a conviction before women began making a fuss about how rapes were prosecuted in the bad old days.
Anonymouses 3:08pm, I’m well aware that if I had an ounce of sympathy I’d always agree with you, but you can name every rapist in NYC, we’d all know that both Weinstein and Epstein were finished via accusations that the met the statute of limitations and were not confined to the city of NY.
DeleteEmpathy doesn't mean you have to agree with me. It means you have to understand what it is like to be someone else.
DeleteHere is what AI says about the statute of limitations for Weinstein:
"AI Overview
Yes, the statute of limitations for certain sexual assault charges against Harvey Weinstein was changed. Specifically, in 2006, New York eliminated the statute of limitations for Rape in the First Degree and Criminal Sexual Act in the First Degree, both of which Weinstein was facing according to The Law Offices of Mark Sherman, LLC. Additionally, in 2019, New York extended the statute of limitations for second-degree rape from five years to 20 years and for third-degree rape from five years to 10 years according to NBC News, which is relevant to some of the charges he's facing. "
So, my point is that these changes to the statute of limitations were not made just to prosecute Trump.
DeleteChanging the law specifically in order to prosecute someone who is innocent under the current law has to be illegal.
Cecelia is claiming that happened and I am saying it didn’t.
DeleteDavid:
DeleteYou keep bringing up "the opposition by the media". I do not see the opposition so much as normalizing followed by some of pearl clutching. With that said, I do think that the media criticism has become a non-factor for people such as Trump. It only works on the candidates whose own prospective voters pay attention. Trump's don't.
Let's be honest: nothing that Trump has done or will do, regardless how insane, corrupt, or dangerous will sway you. You will zig and zag in the same way: "Oh, I don't care for the way Trump speaks, but he's done some good things". Then, when pressed for facts, nothing is produced; or whatever is produced is wildly inaccurate.
To condense this a single point: how do you feel about Trump's open corruption, e.g. selling his meme coin?
the statement Trump made about finding some Trump votes is the most trivial charge.
DeleteOh, my! This, in a nutshell, summarizes the problem that we are having. Trump's browbeating, cajoling, and threatening the top election official, Secretary of State, is a "statement". As in, Trump has a news conference where laments that Georgia couldn't find 11,880 more votes. Not exactly what happened, is it now?
Anon@2:53: In fact, falsifying of the business records, in and of itself, was a misdemeanor. They had to attach it to violating the federal election law.
DeleteI take backseat to no one when it comes to despising Trump and wanting to see him tarred' feathered and strapped to a pole. It was still thin gruel.
It bears repeating: Trump has been skirting and violating the law for decades. He needed to be held accountable then, but in this society we give wealthy people a very wide berth. Especially to an amusing buffoon such as Trump. He has gotten away with a shit ton of things. No one is fucking amused now.
David in Cal,
DeleteTrump may be a genius, but let's not get carried away. Even a moron (like yourself) knows Republican voters will crawl across a football field of broken glass to vote for someone who gives them the bigotry they crave like a child craves sugar.
Trump is not a genius in any sense of the word.
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DeleteCorrecting the fake vote counts in November 2020 would've avoided so many disasters. Hyperinflation and $7 trillion in new debt. Lawfare and weaponization of the government. Open borders and 12 million illegal aliens. Racist DEI shit. Defunding the police. Men competing in women sports. And WWIII.
When you are defending Harvey, Cecelia...
DeleteSomerby said:
ReplyDelete"Yes, of course that's possible—and, despite Ignatius' words of praise, the judgments being made were often remarkably poor. We refer, for example, to the ludicrous conduct at the southern border, accompanied by the lack of any attempt to explain those border policies.
Beyond that, we refer to the ludicrous approach to widespread concerns about inflation and the cost of living, in which President Biden kept stressing the utterly silly practice of "shrinkflation"—the practice by which consumers get charged the same old price for a slightly smaller bag of cookies or (potato) chips.
That was a ridiculous way to push back against inflation concerns. Was it a product of limited cognitive power, insisted on by the victim of that tragic decline?"
These are Somerby's examples of possible cognitive decline by Biden, but they amount to nothing more than disagreement over policy. A person who was actually suffering from cognitive decline would sound like Trump, not like a Biden expressing ideas that Somerby disagrees with.
Biden did deal with the border. Somerby has neither investigated nor understood what Biden did to address immigration. It has been stated here repeatedly that Biden's border control had reduced immigration to the same levels as Trump, using policies such as asking Mexico to place more troops at the border (more than Trump called for) and preventing people from massing near the border to attempt to cross from the Mexican side. This is the same as Trump's efforts. Additionally, Biden sent Harris to work with the donor countries to reduce emigration from those nations, which had a measurable impact on US border crossings. Somerby has never credited Biden/Harris with any of that, despite it being part of their campaign. He pretends Biden/Harris ignored the border when neither did that.
I don't find Biden's comments about shrinkflation to be ridiculous. It is obvious if you pay attention to what you buy, and legislation about it is consistent with his other consumer measures, such as reducing overdraft fees on checking accounts and junk fees. Biden's concern for consumers is one of the strengths of his presidency. Somerby dismisses this the way David in Cal or any other Republican would. And Somerby repeats the right wing canard that inflation was a problem when it was at 2.3% when Biden ended his term, just about at the 2% target requested by the Fed. Public concern over inflation arose largely because the Republicans never stop claiming that it is too high, no matter how low it goes.
But the main problem with Somerby's claim that maybe Biden was cognitively unfit is that Biden was thinking clearly and speaking well in office, not rambling, losing his thread, making up odd stories, not doing the incredibly incoherent verbal wandering that is Trump's new normal. Talking about shrinkflation is just not a symptom of dementia or aging. It is a coherently described financial problem that Biden was addressing. If Somerby thinks it is trivial or unimportant, that is a political disagreement about priorities, not a sign of cognitive decline.
This deliberate attempt to portray Biden as losing it shows that Somerby's motive is to malign Biden. There are no solid examples of that, so Somerby manufactures complaints out of his own disagreement with Biden's policies. That isn't dementia but it does show Somerby's intent. He isn't concerned about Biden's competence. He is trying to portray Biden in a negative light, to justify the attacks on him and the content of a vile book written for profit and political ratfucking against the Democrats.
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DeleteBut the problem continues to be that neither Original Sin nor Somerby have identified any actual examples of what presidential dementia looks like, despite having Trump's deteriorating mental state as a guide. I suspect that one reason why Somerby doesn't reach for actual gaffes is that whatever he brings up as evidence against Biden would apply even more to Trump, who actually is declining cognitively. Somerby (and others) are pursuing a partisan campaign, so the last thing they want is to wake the public up to Trump's difficulties. So "he didn't talk about the border enough" becomes a sign of failing mental function.
Well said.
DeleteSomerby is on a copy/paste roll, exposing the weakness of his stance.
Anonymices shouldn’t you be fighting the Biden’s-brain battle with some ancient soldier in a Philippine jungle?
DeleteSomerby is the guy stuck in that jungle. He keeps bringing up what must surely be moot now.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:40pm, turn on the tv.
Delete"Just the other day, a speaker at [Trump’s Madison Square Garden] rally called Puerto Rico a ‘floating island of garbage.’ … The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters..."
DeleteCrisp. Cogent. Most of all: effective.
Anonymouse 3:40pm, if it’s moot then why are anonymices still arguing that everyone from Nancy Pelosi to Obama was wrong?
DeleteTrump wants gays to succeed.
DeleteBiden’s achievements. speak for themselves. The burden of proof is on Somerby and so far he has produced no evidence, just smears.
DeleteThere's a new podcast out about Jill Biden's days in the White House. It sounds to me like she was a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty. I would say just listen to it and judge for yourself.
DeleteI'm waiting 10 years for the book.
DeleteNo spoilers, please.
I hear soon, real soon, she will be fucking Hunter. Alas, I probably won't. Ever. I'm so depressed.
DeleteSomerby is an ass.
I am Corby.
Thom Hartmann has been talking about the greed of billionaires as a form of hoarding syndrome, a mental illness. He says Trump is afflicted with this, which seems obvious. He goes on grifting and conning and accepting bribes even when he has no use for the money.
ReplyDeleteToday Hartmann talks about societies based on the common good ("we" societies), in which people share and contribute to others. In such societies, greed is despised, managed and treated like a crime. He distinguishes between these "we" societies and "me" societies, in which individuals place their own self-interest ahead of all else.
He goes on to explain how our founding fathers were oriented toward the common good when they wrote the constitution and established our country as a "we" society.
https://hartmannreport.com/p/me-vs-we-the-battle-for-americas-295
Greed is not good. Robber Barons were not good people. The wealthy are not admirable people.
Somerby has several times said that bad behavior is bred in the bone, part of ancient societies, when Hartmann's studies of such cultures show them to be "we" societies in which people help each other survive and share the wealth. Aside from his pessimism, I find Somerby's take on human nature to be inconsistent with the work of those who study human cultures through time, actual anthropologists and historians. I suspect that his descriptions of past cultures are self-serving intended to justify the greed of the oligarchs and billionaires running Trump's govt. Of course such people exist now, and have in the past, but that doesn't mean they reflect human nature (and not deviance) or that they are to be emulated. We need to take care of and meet the needs of all of our citizens, welcome tourists and immigrants with hospitality and not imprisonment, and rejoin the human race, in my opinion.
the greed of billionaires as a form of hoarding syndrome, a mental illness.
DeleteAbsolutely. It's a compulsion. Not only that, but it leads to other psychiatric conditions, e.g. paranoia. When one is hording so much wealth, they have a constant sense of insecurity.
When my husband had dementia at the end of his life, he began hoarding and also hiding money all around the house. I think Trump has always been greedy but he may have become worse lately as he has gotten older. His remarks about the rest of the world taking advantage of us seems paranoid.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:10pm, you shouldn’t venture that sort of psychiatric diagnosis. You are unlikely to hold the required credentials and you certainly have not examined Trump personally. Therefore such a discussion is off limits in the public arena.
DeleteRemember? You should. You said it enough.
I believe the discussion you are referring to said that the press couldn't make such diagnoses and that professional ethics say that someone needs to be assessed before being diagnosed. We are not professionals and not the press. We can speculate about Trump's sanity all we want, just as Somerby does concerning both Trump (crazy) and Biden (old).
DeleteGood attempt to stifle discussion of Trump's obvious cognitive problems, though. I hope you are being well paid for your trolling on Trump's behalf.
DeleteIsn't it amazing how someone (anyone?) full of horrible problems is a million times better than any idiot-Democrat? Life is a funny thing!
Anonymouse 3:39pm, no, the ability to make a diagnosis as to Trump was not THE parameter set by anonymices. It included any talk of possible personality disorders or mental illness, in or out of the media. . A discussion of Mary Trump’s book was considered moot via the media or via Somerby on his own blog. Imagine that. The entire subject was roundly knocked as being inappropriate. We both were there.
DeleteThat’s not true. Using psychiatric terms irresponsibly was criticized. No one objected to calling for Trump to be tested and the findings released to the public.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:13pm, so how do you think people get to the point of calling for Trump be tested? It happens via the national dialogue by which media reporting and analysis plays the biggest part.
DeleteNo, all they have to do is listen to him speak.
DeleteCecelia,
DeleteDon't be a fool.
If the media had any sway on the national dialogue, they would have hounded Joe Biden out of being the Democratic Party's 2024 Presidential nominee, because he wanted to raise taxes on the corporations who own the media.
Times change Cecelibellyache. The goober needs help changing his diaper now.
Delete"Absolutely. It's a compulsion. Not only that, but it leads to other psychiatric conditions, e.g. paranoia. When one is hording so much wealth, they have a constant sense of insecurity." So you agree that the Uber wealthy should be taxed at 90% x of $5M for their mental health. Finally some progress.
DeleteTrump aced the Montreal Cognitive Exam says the same rube that claims to have done well at Wharton.
ReplyDeleteTrump did well at Wharton says the same rube whose family money and private school education,+/- paying someone to take his SAT, landed him at Fordham. That is a fail scholastically.
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