WEDNESDAY: "Unsustainable," Krugman said!

WEDNESDAY, MAY 28, 2025

These are the numbers in question: Friend, how large is the federal deficit? Also, how large will federal deficits be if the current Trump budget bill passes into law?

(Breaking! At this site, we don't repeat branding language for the Republican Party. We don't refer to the proposed budget bill as "The Big Beautiful Bill.")

As we showed you yesterday afternoon, Paul Krugman recently said what's shown below. He's talking about where annual federal deficits stood before the new budget bill had even been proposed:

You don’t have to be a deficit fetishist, a fiscal scold—which I definitely am not—to realize that even before the [new budget bill] America was on an unsustainable fiscal path. 

So said Krugman. Even before this new bill came along, he says we were already "on an unsustainable path." 

As we noted yesterday, Peter Orszag said the same thing in a New York Times guest essay. On the basis of those presentations, we're going to guess that that our annual federal deficits have been rather large.

That said, how big have our deficits been? As deficit spending rose under Covid, here's where the numbers went:

Federal deficits, FY 2017-2024
2016: $590 billion
2017: $690 billion
2018: $780 billion
2019: $980 billion 
2020: $3.13 trillion
2021: $2.77 trillion
2022: $1.38 trillion
2023: $1.70 trillion
2024: $1.83 trillion

As noted, those are fiscal years, not calendar years. What's life in these United States without an extra source of potential confusion?

Hmmm. In reaction to Covid, the deficit tripled in fiscal year 2020. As compared to the halcyon days of the late teens, it has stayed rather high ever since.

Those are the numbers to which Krugman and Orszag were reacting—and while we're at it, Eek!  Here's where projected deficits stand even before any changes are created by the Trump budget bill:

Projected federal deficits, FY 2025-2029
2025: $1.9 trillion

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2035: $2.7 trillion

Those numbers look rather large too. That said, the CBO summary adds one more element of complexification. That summary reads like this:

The Budget Outlook / Deficits

In CBO’s projections, the federal budget deficit in fiscal year 2025 is $1.9 trillion. Adjusted to exclude the effects of shifts in the timing of certain payments, the deficit grows to $2.7 trillion by 2035. It amounts to 6.2 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2025 and drops to 5.2 percent by 2027 as revenues increase faster than outlays. In later years, outlays increase faster than revenues, on average. In 2035, the adjusted deficit equals 6.1 percent of GDP—significantly more than the 3.8 percent that deficits have averaged over the past 50 years.

Generally speaking, figure filberts describe the size of the federal deficit by comparing it to the size of the GDP. As matters stand, projected deficits before the new budget bill passes seem to be historically large, even after making that adjustment.

Those are the numbers which Krugman and Orszag were talking about. We're so old that we can remember when the press corps' discussions of such budget matters tended to include more numbers than they typically do today.

Today, our press corps and our cable news programs spend their time chasing President Trump's latest pronouncements around. What did he say in the last ten minutes? As with New England weather, so too here:

If you don't like his latest pronouncement, you just have to wait a while!

At any rate, those are the numbers to which Krugman and Orszag referred. They say those numbers constitute an actual problem. We're guessing they may be right.

There was a time when numbers like those would have been more fully discussed. Meanwhile, what will happen to those projections if the new budget bill becomes law?

Tomorrow, we'll show you the way that question tends to get answered at this point in time. We'd say that such formulations tend to be misleading at best, and sometimes just seem to be wrong.

60 comments:

  1. The other problem is that given how unhinged this administration has been in just its first four months, the major buyers of US Treasury Bonds may start having thoughts about the solidity of their investment. Also, as the dollar becomes less of the world currency, US T bills may lose their luster.
    Again, on his podcast Ezra Klein has mentioned how the interest payment on the debt now exceed the entire defense budget. So, another useful metric would be interest rate payments as the percentage of GDP. That is definitely not money well-spent.

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  2. Krugman accurately wrote, "even before the [new budget bill] America was on an unsustainable fiscal path." I agree. In fact, it's been clear for years that America is on an unsustainable fiscal path . So, where were Krugman an Orszak when a Dem was President? Why didn't they warn us several years ago?

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    1. Where were you, David, and why did you vote for those Republicans who exploded our national debt with their irresponsible tax cuts for people who are already rich?

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    2. Krugman has been warning us since before I learned how to read.

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    3. "Why didn't they warn us several years ago?"
      Save that for two years from now, when you're crying about climate change.

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    4. Maybe if you extracted your head from Rupert Murdoch’s rectum you would not be posting such nonsense.

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  3. You're absolutely right, Ilya. When interest rates were zero, or even (in real terms) negative, who cares how much debt we had?

    The problem is that interest rates have increased, so now borrowing is no longer free. And that's a problem.

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    1. Exactly! It wasn't that long ago that we were paying maybe $300 billion in interest, which was less than 2% of the GDP. Now we are paying a little over 3% and it's on a steep rise. This will get much worse.

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  4. I tend to think that the problem with this current budget bill is the cuts to services needed by people in our society. We cannot afford to take care of our populace while still giving wealthy people more cuts. They will need to suck it up and help the poor by reversing those cuts, or they are nasty human beings (if they are indeed human and not greed machines). Why does Somerby never discuss that? You tell me.

    When we get to the point where even Republicans scared shitless of Trump are opposing this bill's passage, it is time for the guys in power (i.e., Republicans) to have another think about what they are doing to our nation.

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  5. Somerby's pretense that this is just another budget bill like others in the past, to which the rules of accounting can be applied because he thinks there are too few numbers in this article (when those numbers confuse the average voter and make people skip reading articles with them in it) strikes me as ludicrous. This budget bill is as crazy as everything else Trump does and Somerby should be saying so, not passing the hot potato to Krugman (a guy Somerby used to call our MVP).

    This discussion has become a farce because the only reasonable reaction to this budget bill is outrage. Where is Somerby's outrage? Where is David's? Where is Ilya's and why is he even considering the specifics of this ridiculous attempt to rob each and every one of the American people in order to line the pockets of the wealthy with our pennies?

    This has to be one of the most worthless essays Somerby has written (excluding the racist and misogynist ones).

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    1. All your righteous outrage at Trump and Somerby and DiC and Ilya and racists and misogynists must be exhausting!

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    2. That's child's play, next to the begging I've had to do for the identity of the Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
      THAT"S exhausting. (And I'm beginning to believe useless).

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    3. In the last election, one in three voters of color voted for Trump. They are all bigots?

      https://catalist.us/whathappened2024/

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    5. Have you seen the articles about remorse among voters of color over their mistaken 2024 votes for Trump, now that they realize what Trump is doing to Hispanic and black people as he wipes out DEI, fires black officers in the military, and sends anyone with brown skin to a concentration camp?

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    6. AAPI went from 3% to 4% for Trump. Not a huge change. One in 3 is 33%, which means that two thirds (66%) and that is still a huge disparity going Democrat. The problem is your assumption that 0% would vote for Trump when that is not going to be true given the number of low information voters, people disengaged from the electoral process, in our nation. The study you cite concludes that it was the low information voters who stayed home and gave Trump his victory. They might have gone for Harris if they had followed the election more closely, like the people changing their minds now that they realize how awful Trump is, especially to people of color.

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    7. Nobody wonders where your outrage is, Dogface, because it is clear that you have no decency to be affronted. Sucks to be you.

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    8. DG: too cool to care

      That is how our democracy will slip through our fingers and into Trump's pocket.

      When you call your senator and express your outrage, he or she will understand the consequences of going along with Trump to get along. We can all vote differently in 2026, and at least some of us plan to do that. Not DG, but he is just one vote. When Democrats and working people and those losing govt services, those fired for no reason and those without healthcare all get together, that will send the Republicans who voted for this bill back to their homes in red states and districts, where they too will learn what it is like not to be a billionaire.

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    9. 7:17 - Meaningless insults are meaningless.

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    10. 7:22. I've voted a straight Democratic ticket in every presidential election of my life, and I don't plan to change next election. I'm a proud, New Deal liberal. And I think progressive scolds like you are counterproductive to Democratic electoral success.

      Just my opinion.

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    11. Liberals criticize the budget bill because it doesn't spend enough on the needy. We conservatives tend to object that it spends too much.

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    12. @7:23 -- Remember what you just said next time you lob one of your trademark insults at me.

      I don't believe you have voted Democrat. It is easy to say something like that because no one can verify it. I am not a progressive -- I dislike Bernie and find AOC annoying. I like Katie Porter and Elizabeth Warren and Jasmine Crockett is growing on me. If you don't want to be scolded, be part of the solution not the problem. Here you are just an asshole.

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    13. David, you are misrepresenting the situation. The current bill CUTS spending on everyday people not just the needy. Liberals don't want to see that spending disappear. Our objection is not that it isn't being raised but that it is being "disappeared" as Somerby puts it.

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    14. 7:58. Believe what you want -- I just don't care. I do wish you had a nym so I could avoid your witless insults.

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    15. cut your reading quota down to 2 lines and you will filter out everyone but Cecelia.

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    16. Anonymouse 8:14pm, that happened some time ago.

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    17. 7:58 - BTW, I like Bernie, and I like Warren (who I voted for in the 2020 primary), and I absolutely love AOC.

      I made my bones as a union organizer, and I've devoted my career to fighting to protect the employment rights of those who work for a living.

      And 8:14 - If I were smarter I'd take your advice!

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    18. Anon@6:13: Fair enough, but my reserves of outrage are severely depleted at the moment. I am regenerating. It is true: this bill is beyond the pale. I am still trying to finish off Ezra Klein's podcast discussing this bill.

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    19. Any update on the promise to eliminate tax on Social Security benefits, Dickhead in Cal?

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    20. 7:27,
      You might want to sit down for this:
      I'm an old, straight, white, male, and I vote for politicians who want gays, trans, blacks, latinos, and other minorities to have the same rights as I do.
      Can I get you anything to clean-up after your blown mind?

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  6. And let me tell you: What it seems to me is that the Republican Party stands for one thing only: Tax cuts for the rich. Everything else -- debt ceiling kabuki included -- is cynical theater.

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  7. Here is a news report (of the type Somerby says do not exist) citing an expert on cognitive decline saying that Trump is showing signs of deterioration.

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cognitive-decline-2672225327/

    “His lack of focus makes it seem as though he’s experiencing cognitive decline, that his brain is not well-disciplined, and he’s unable to maintain a thought and carry it through to a logical conclusion,” Dr. Jennifer Mercieca told The Daily Beast. A professor at Texas A&M University and the author of "Demagogue for President: The Rhetorical Genius of Donald Trump," Mercieca said the president's rhetorical style makes his decline easy to discern.

    “Trump sees himself as someone who is unscripted and not teleprompted. He likes to brand himself as a ‘truthteller’ who can and will say anything that comes to mind," she said. “Unfortunately, that makes his speeches difficult to follow as he digresses from thought to thought — seemingly connecting ideas at random.”

    The president's latest stunt that raised eyebrows was a meandering rant to graduating cadets at West Point over the weekend, whom he regaled with his thoughts on golf and "trophy wives."

    Trump and his medical team have denied he has any mental impairment, with Trump frequently boasting that he "aced" the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, although experts have noted passage of that test does not rule out cognitive decline." [Rawstory]

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    1. @7:55 Your source is not an expert on cognitive decline. The article says, "she’s not a speech pathologist or an expert on ageing." She says she's a speech expert.

      Her argument is risible. Trump is a master at speaking in a way that holds a crowd's interest. Dr. Mercieca is too naïve to understand and appreciate his skills, so she things he's mentally deteriorated. If he really were declining then he'd be losing his audience. The fact that he keeps his audience shows that he's succeeding at what he's doing.

      Also, Trump gives unscripted press conferences almost every day. If you watch them you will see that he's very much on top of the issues.

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    2. An expert on aging is a gerontologist. A speech pathologist helps people with speech disorders like stuttering. A speech expert analyzes people’s speech patterns, which change with dementia and other cognitive deficits.

      Your argument makes no sense, but Trump has lost his audiences during his last campaign. People were not showing up and those who did were leaving early. I have seen Trump and he is not on top of issues.

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    3. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-decline-2672224383/

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    4. This is not a coincidence
      Trump Effect: 'Right Track' Poll Hits 50 Percent for First Time in History

      In comparison, around this time last year, under former President Joe Biden, just 25 percent of respondents thought the country was on the “right track.”


      https://townhall.com//tipsheet/saraharnold/2025/05/27/right-track-poll-hits-50-percent-for-first-time-in-history-n2657697

      BTW this poll only started in 2006. So, the first time in history really means the first time since 2006.

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    5. Polls do not determine truth or reality.

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    6. Meh.
      If you count the votes, the people want want abortion to be 100% legal.
      Who cares what the people think?

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    7. Trump dancing by himself for a fucking hour is so hot I got a tingle up my leg. And what graduate doesn't want to hear an incoherent ramble about trophy wives for ten minutes. The guy is a fucking ace I tells ya.

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    8. I love when the Democrats post dumb stuff like this. Instead of finding a great candidate all they can do is point at Trump and call him Hitler. Not sure if you noticed but that strategy failed….miserably. But by all means stay on this sinking ship. Dumbasses.

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    9. It's like posting that there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot.
      No one really believes it, but they think faking it makes them morally superior to the people who won't fake it.

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    10. And yet, as everyone knows, any Republican voter is a million times better any idiot-Democrat.

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    11. 8:46,
      Cope, Soros-trained monkey.

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  8. George - I like your idea of the Republicans shutting down government. It gives the President all the power. Essential spending can continue. But, who decides what's essential? I think the president does. I don't know whether the Republican Congress would go along with a shutdown, but I'd like to see Trump try it.

    BTW if the government is shut down because of a Dem filibuster, then it would be the Dems shutting down government, wouldn't it?.

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  9. David, are you aware that you are showing naked enthusiasm for making Trump a dictator?

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  10. 8:13 - Yeah, it's troubling and kind of creepy, isn't it? I think he means it.

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  11. @8:13 - Come on. Trump using his constitutional power isn't the same as making him a dictator. The President has the power to sign or veto a bill. I'm suggesting that he veto a bill that he disapproves of.

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  12. Courts are saying Trump is abusing his office by trying to use powers the president doesn’t have. Federal court today ruled he cannot impose the Independence Day tariffs and must pay back anything collected.

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  13. It gives the President all the power. It does nothing of a kind. Furthermore, let's bear in mind that Trump is severely cognitively impaired, so in a sense we have no idea who is running the government. Well, I suppose we do: it's Stephen Miller, whose inner ugliness is percolating to his face; it Russel Vought, a personification of a faux Christian with a stick up his butt; and many other shadowy figures.

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  14. "But, who decides what's essential? I think the president does."

    David only criticized all the spending Biden did on illegal immigrants, because they were lies.
    If Biden actually spent the Treasury on illegal immigrants, David would have been perfectly fine with it, because the President decides what's essential.

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  15. Surprisingly enough, researchers have attempted to measure the speed of flatulence.

    In a study conducted at the University of Copenhagen, scientists used a device called an anemometer to measure the average speed of a fart.

    They discovered that farts can travel at an astounding speed of approximately 10 feet per second, or about 7 miles per hour.

    Indeed, sometimes flatulence occurs without making a sound.

    This can happen if the gas is released slowly or if the opening of the rectum is wide enough to allow the gas to escape without causing vibrations that produce sound waves.

    https://www.neuralword.com/en/education-history-science-general-culture-society/science-nature/exploring-the-physics-of-flatulence-how-fast-does-a-fart-come-out

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  16. President Stephen Miller's wife left him for former President Musk. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of fucking Nazi idiots. We need better Nazis dammit, this is America!

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  17. To be fair, any Nazi is a million times better than any idiot-Democrat-pervert. Everyone knows that.

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  18. Everyone knows Nazis are better than the imaginary Democrats Mao you conjured up in his rapidly degenerating mind.
    Why wouldn't they?

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  19. Cope, Soros-trained monkey.

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  20. Krugman has been a laughingstock since he predicted a stock market crash if Trump were elected in 2016. Know nothing boob.

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    1. Is he the same clown who predicted mankind would find a Republican voter who isn't a bigot, before the end of the 2020s?

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    2. Well, 9:39 AM, long before that, in the 1990s, idiot Krugman predicted that the internet will be completely useless compared to a fax machine.

      He's just a typical idiot Democrat, that's all.

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    3. He might be the dumbest Democrat of all.

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  21. 9:28 was me responding to 5:06.

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