ALL AGAINST ALL: In the summer of 82...

WEDNESDAY, MAY 13, 2026

...the fuzzy language appeared: We don't think of The View as a place to go for outstanding political commentary. That said:

On the Fox News Channel's Gutfeld! show, the five women who serve as co-hosts of The View are routinely compared to cows, to pigs, to cattle and horses, to whales, but also to "livestock." 

On the "cable news" program we've mentioned, a disturbed man performing behind several beards won't stop behaving this way. He won't stop behaving this as people like Kat Timpf look on.   

Everyone in Blue America's upper-end press corps has accepted this disturbed behavior as part of the modern cultural norm. Last week, one of the women of The View made a comment which we regard as worth considering.   

Sunny Hostin, age 57 and a lawyer, was the co-host in question. 

The women of the Fox News Channel join the men of the New York Times n endorsing the way Hostin is routinely insulted on the Gutfeld! program, with a sewage leak down to The Five perhaps beginning to show. Hostin's comment was cited in this recent report by the New York Times:   

How ‘The View’ Landed at the Center of a Free Speech Battle

President Trump’s wide-ranging campaign to punish his perceived media critics has come for newspapers like The Wall Street Journal, The Des Moines Register and The New York Times; broadcast outlets like the BBC, NBC News and CBS News; and the late-night hosts Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert.

But now it is bearing down on a new opponent, one that remains politically potent and has a storied place in Mr. Trump’s oeuvre of media grudge matches—the long-running ABC daytime talk show, “The View.”  

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“It is unbelievable to me,” Sunny Hostin, a host, said this week, “that there are still people—despite the fact that they don’t have health care, despite the fact that the Department of Education has been gutted, despite the fact that they can’t afford to buy eggs—they are still with their guy.”  

So said Hostin last week. We sometimes have similar thoughts, in which we marvel at the degree of support the president retains.

At such times, we remind ourselves of an obvious factthere are cultural phenomena which may be keeping some or many voters from coming over to those of us who are Blue.  

Are we seeing some of those factors on display in the (understandably) heated reactions to the Supreme Court's recent decision about the Voting Rights Act?  Do (some) people roll their eyes and move away from our own Blue American world when they turn on their TV machines and hear comments like this?  

If somebody fell asleep in 1896 and woke up today in 2026, they would simply say the only difference is now Negroes have a T.V. show and we wear nice suits. 

As we noted yesterday, an accomplished person made that remark on CNN this Monday night. Have endless remarks of that general type helped create the dangerous difficulty in which Blue America remains mired?   

We offer that as a tiny question. We would assume that the answer is yes. 

Full obvious disclosure:

The mountains of suffering created by the role of "race" within our brutal American history continues to mean that these difficulties remain hard to escape. But for today, we turn to a simpler question: 

With respect to the Voting Rights Act, how did it get this far?  

How did it [ever] get this far? How did it ever reach the point where states were ordered to create "majority minority" districts, but then were told that the districts they created were constitutionally impermissible.

How did it [ever] get so confusing? That strikes us as an excellent question. Fuzzy language plays a key role, as conceivably does a type of bad faith, perhaps on the part of both of our two major parties. 

How did it ever get this far? Please consider this: 

As everyone surely knows by now, the original version of the VRA became law in 1965. Much of the current discussion concerns Section 2 of that landmark legislationbut when the VRA was signed into law by President Johnson, Section 2 said only this:   

Voting Rights Act of 1965; August 6, 1965

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SEC. 2. No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color.   

There would be no more (disgraceful) requirement that potential voters would have to guess the number of jellybeans in a jar! There would be no more "poll taxes," no more "citizenship exams."

States would have to let their citizens vote! So declared Section 2 in August 1965.

Given the ugliness of our history, that small chunk of language represented a gigantic societal breakthrough. But that's all that Section 2 said at that point in time. 

Well, time passed, and now it seemed, the two major parties were sharing a dream! In 1982, Congress passed a major addition to Section 2 of the VRA. Some fuzzy language arrived on the scene, along with one rather plain assertion.

As you'll see below, the new language in Section 2 passed both Houses of Congress by very large margins. As of 1982, Section 2 now said this:   

SEC. 2. ΓΈ52 U.S.C. 10301¿ (a) No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting or standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision in a manner which results in a denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color, or in contravention of the guarantees set forth in section 4(f)(2), as provided in subsection (b). 

(b) A violation of subsection (a) is established if, based on the totality of circumstances, it is shown that the political processes leading to nomination or election in the State or political subdivision are not equally open to participation by members of a class of citizens protected by subsection (a) in that its members have less opportunity than other members of the electorate to participate in the political process and to elect representatives of their choice. The extent to which members of a protected class have been elected to office in the State or political subdivision is one circumstance which may be considered: Provided, That nothing in this section establishes a right to have members of a protected class elected in numbers equal to their proportion in the population. 

You can see the same language here.

Perhaps you can spot the fuzzy language which the Congress, by huge majorities (see below), inserted in that new part (b). We'll briefly consider that fuzzy / murky language in the next few days. For now, you can surely spot this one clear statement:

[N]othing in this section establishes a right to have members of a protected class elected in numbers equal to their proportion in the population. 

Please note: That provision doesn't mean that some "protected class" can't end up with "proportional representation." It does say, fairly clearly, that such outcomes are not guaranteed.

How did we get from there to here? That's a long and murky story. For today, we'll show you what the leading authority on this matter has to say about the way that last provision got into this amended / extended version of the VRA's Section 2. 

Amendments to the original Voting Rights Act involve a long and winding road. You'll have to fight through some of this on your own:

Amendments to the Voting Rights Act of 1965

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As the special provisions neared expiration again, Congress reconsidered the Act in 1982.

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During the nine days of Senate hearings concerning whether to amend the Act, Section 2 was the primary focus —in particular, whether to amend Section 2 to create a "results" test that prohibited any voting law that had a discriminatory effect, irrespective of whether the law was enacted or operated for a discriminatory purpose.

President Reagan opposed creating a results test because its impact would be uncertain.  Furthermore, some members of Congress, such as Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT), raised concerns that a results test would fundamentally alter American democracy by requiring courts to impose proportional representation for protected minority groups as a remedy. 

To assuage this concern, Senator Robert Dole (R-KS) proposed legislative language explicitly disclaiming that a results test would require proportional representation. This compromise won support from the Senate, the House, and the Reagan Administration.  The House passed this version of the bill by a 389–24 vote, and the Senate passed it by an 85–8 vote.  President Reagan signed the legislation into law on June 29, 1982. The creation of the Section 2 results test shifted the majority of litigation brought under the Voting Rights Act from claims of Section 5 violations to claims of Section 2 violations. 

Senator Dole created the language which explicitly said that "proportional representation" would not be required. With that language added to part (b) of Section 2, this addition to the VRA passed both Houses of Congress by very large margins.

A great deal of confusion followed, leading right up to the present day.

States were told that they had to add "majority minority" districts. States were also told that they couldn't add such districts.

Journalists pretended to explain the nature of the legal reasoning involved in various rulings and cases. In recent years, we've never seen a news report which was really able to explain the legal reasoning driving a welter of court decisions under terms of the VRA. 

If not for all the fuzzy language, there would frequently be no language offered at all.

At any rate, there you see the new language passed by the Congress in the summer of 82. Tomorrow, we'll let Carl Hulse of the New York Times recall what happened from there

On Friday, we'll show you what happened, just last weekend, when the Harvard professor and the Princeton professor spoke with the Harvard grad. 

People out in the country were watching. With a hat tip to co-host Hostin, we'll venture a guess about what (some of) those people may have believed that they saw.

Tomorrow: If memory serves, this was all understood and discussed at the time


129 comments:

  1. Similarly, Jews are struggling to get sympathy for their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, because they think there is still anti-semitism, despite 6 million Jews not being murdered in over 80 years.

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    1. Israelis, not Jews. Learn to hide it better.

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    2. Speaking of annoying ex Jews and trans haters, I have good news. Cecelia and David in Cal got together for drinks and shot each other to death in a tussle over who pays the bill. Good riddance!

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    3. Agree.

      Real Jews oppose Zionism.

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  2. Stop marveling at the level of support Trump retains and start marveling at the level of mental illness, violence, hate, and general depravity Democrats represent and you'll understand how good almost any alternative looks. You elected an AG in Virginia who said he wants to murder the 8 and 11 year old children of his opponent and you celebrate and mock blood gushing from Charlie Kirk's neck. And yet you "marvel" that people are disgusted by Democrats.

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    1. Just go away, asshole.

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    2. No, stay here, 10:47, and name any prominent Dem who mocked the blood from Kirk’s neck. If you can’t back up this heinous accusation, then you should go away.

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    3. I assume 10:47 was talking about Jay Jones who was elected AG in Virginia. He didn't say he wanted to murder any kids. He said that some people need to experience tragedy personally in order to change their views on policy, such as by having their own kids experience a school shooting. He apologized for that statement after Republicans made an uproar.about it. He was then elected AG despite his remark.

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    4. Democrats have made a lot of mistakes. People don't like them. The truth is they are beholden to corporations and money. They can't pass legislation that is consistent with the values of their supporters or the values they espouse, which makes them blatant hypocrites. This turns a lot of people off. They can and do talk all day about the shortcomings of Trump, Republicans and MAGA but they can't meaningfully do any better because they are captured by money and power.

      What are you going to do? Amirite?

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    5. Nope, still a dope.

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    6. Your non-response speaks volumes.

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    7. But what else can you say? What kind of argument can you make against what I said? You can't make one. Therefore, the conversation ending non-response. Iamrite.

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    8. 11:58/12:28, we’ve been over this before. Democrats have to appeal to a much more diverse group of voters than republicans. That makes consensus difficult.

      Democrats, when they have power, do pass good legislation that helps working people. Your assertion that they don’t is complete fiction.

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    9. Would those be the little kids Jay Jones called "little fascists"? A hateful terrorist party.

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    10. Historically the Republican Party has not been a force for hate, fascism, and terrorism; however, in modern times, it absolutely is such a force, so your point is well taken, considering the context.

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    11. Over the past 50 years 50M jobs created under D Presidents, 1M under R Prez. See, u r still a dope!

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    12. Using a corrupted and entrenched political party to fulfill emotional needs like belonging and moral purpose was a huge mistake. But it was a void you had to fill with something. Whaddya going to do? Amirite?

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    13. What is the “good legislation that helps working people” of which you speak?

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    14. NAFTA? πŸ€”

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    15. Corporate lobbying and wealthy interests completely dominate both political parties. That turns a lot of people off. (These are people that didn't turn one of the parties into their religion or cult Iike you have. So it may be kind of hard for you to understand.)

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    16. So you don’t have access to a search engine,12:59?

      Just off the top, here are a few minor things (and if you can’t name the first three at least, you are wildly out of touch):

      Social security
      Medicare
      Medicaid
      Unemployment compensation
      Fair Labor Standards Act
      Family and Medical Leave Act
      Affordable Care Act
      National Labor Relations Act
      Child Tax Credit (CTC) & Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)
      American Rescue Plan Act
      Head Start and Early Head Start

      In general, democrats support higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund programs that benefit the poor and working class.

      But surely you know all of this, yes?

      But when the dems aren’t being attacked as commie leftists, they’re being attacked for being corporate sellouts.

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    17. We know the Democratic Party would never in a million years tax corporations at a 45% clip, because they are beholden to corporations and money.

      The Republicans should pass a 50-60% tax rate on corporations, just to own the Commies Marxists.

      Call your Reps.
      Let's make this happen!

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    18. 12:53. Numbers and facts are sensory overload to MAGAts.

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    19. 1:35. HaHaHaHaHa. yeah, go ahead and call your Republican reps and politely ask them to raise taxes on the corporations they service in order to get elected.

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    20. Let's see Trump II Electric Boogaloo Accomplishments: cut taxes for the wealthy, gave ICE $220 BILLION, killed food stamps, rural heathcare, ACA subsidies, Medical and Science research cuts, killed USAID killing 600,000 (400,000 children) (it's OK they are poor and black), killed overseas Aids aid, laid off 100's of thousands of Government Employees, abandoned Ukraine, invaded Iran without a concept of a plan and lost on day 1 - negatively impacting global energy supplies, exploded the price of goods and services, imposed a bizarre mix of ever changing and always illegal tariffs, spent bil?ions of tax payer dollars to shut down clean energy projects, opened up protected land to corporations, I could go on. What was your idiotic fucking point again u clueless asshole?

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    21. Biden was proposing a 38% tax rate so they declared him too old and kicked him off his own ticket. His donors revolted against him because he went too far in favor of reducing income inequality and helping workers and unions. Somerby was gung ho in favor of forcing Biden to step down.

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    22. Social security
      Medicare
      Medicaid
      Unemployment compensation
      Fair Labor Standards Act
      Family and Medical Leave Act
      Affordable Care Act
      National Labor Relations Act
      Child Tax Credit (CTC) & Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)
      American Rescue Plan Act
      Head Start and Early Head Start

      Only two of these we're enacted in the 21st century.

      Biden proposed a tax cut but he didn't get it done, did he?

      I'm just trying to point out that the Democratic party has not done very well, they are not popular, people don't like them, all demographics are leaving the party except for affluent white people. They need to change. It has to start with people like yourself. Zealots. You should stop defending this current iteration of the democratic party because it fucking sucks. Can't you see that?

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    23. If you can get them to change, you wouldn't have to worry about Maga and Trump. You're so indoctrinated. It's weird. It's really just a game for you. It has much more to do with media consumption than with any actual political values or values at all. You're online playing a game of monsters like a little boy. You don't give a shit about black people or poor people. Never left one finger in your life towards making those people's lives better. Because you don't give a shit. You're just playing a game. Online, with your dick in your hand.

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    24. I'm rubber and you're glue, and you are still a fucking idiot troll. Your lack of a coherent response to Democratic accomplishments vs. Republican/Trump disasters displays what a dope troll you are..

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    25. 3:45 how many years this century have the Democrats had a Senate majority let alone 56 votes? How many years this century have the Democrats had a USSC that would not invalidate its laws? Under Biden:
      American Rescue Plan
      Bipartisan Infrastructure Law
      Chips and Science Act
      Inflation Reduction Act
      Student Debt Relief
      Access to Covid jabs
      Gun Safety Legislation.
      Now what the fuck has Trump done with his massive win and Congressional majorities and his USSC you fucking weirdo?

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    26. Yeah, we all need to leave this iteration of the Democratic Party, and ensure more Republican wins. Good plan, doofus.

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    27. Hey dopey, why don't you list all the things the modern Republican party has done for the working man since 1900. Yup, still a dope.

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  3. We obviously cannot have race based districts for blacks after hundreds of years of race based districts for whites. It’s just common sense.

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    1. Another Hood Off Day for the host here at TDH.

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  4. Pretty soon, Somerby will give his defense of plessy v Ferguson.

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  5. Somerby believes liberals went off the rails by supporting civil rights in the 1960’s.

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    1. Just a typical, evidence-free, drive-by smear.

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    2. I don’t know what you make of this, DG from Somerby a while back:

      “In our view, a lot of potential votes were shed in a lot of avoidable ways—and yes, it goes back to the 1960s. We ourselves were physically present on the day it started!”

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    3. Well, it’s a common refrain of Somerby’s that the behaviors of liberals have turned some persuadable voters against us. What he has in mind in this brief snippet as what started “it,” whatever that “it” means, on some day in 1960, I just don’t know. I guess your speculation is that “it” is the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but I would bet against that speculation.

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    4. I would not, DG, based upon his response to the VRA decision and based upon the way he constantly chides black pundits like Sellers for expressing their frustrations with American society. Plus his attitude to the discussion surrounding the treatment of blacks by law enforcement.

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    5. Somerby provides no evidence for his assertion that Dems opposing racism has cost them a significant amount of voters.

      In reality, that is not how electoral politics even works.

      It is clear that Somerby supports rolling over for Republicans and opposes things like protests and boycotts and fighting racism, sexism, and xenophobia; Somerby is a racist.

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    6. Yes. Perhaps he's Satan incarnate.

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    7. More likely, he's on someone's payroll.

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    8. Yes. Perhaps he's Satan incarnate.

      "Anything is possible."

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    9. I think Somerby ought to take a look at himself through the eyes of his critics.

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    10. Sarcastically conflating racism with Satan, is a bad look.

      Put your hood back on, boy.

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    11. I'm confused. You call me Klan, but Klan would not conflate racism with Satan; instead, the Klan believes that racism is part of God's divine plan. And then, to confound things further, you call me "boy"? I just have no idea what's going on inside your head, but it sure doesn't seem pretty.

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    12. You’re not confused, DG. The commenter was using humor to make a valid point, very effectively, as it turns out.

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    13. Well, I don't get it, but if you do, great!

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    14. Somerby has also come out against anti-racism programs and training sessions for teachers, inclusion of books by black authors in school libraries, the concept of microaggressions, allowing black students to attend open entry colleges on athletic scholarships, integration of schools in large urban cities (Somerby said he recalled the anti-busing riots in Boston and supported the parents who were opposed to court-mandated integration), Somerby was against Ketanji Brown Jackson's appointment because she could not be more qualified than white men (the most qualified person for the job), and did not consider Kamala Harris sufficiently qualified to be president (repeating right wing smears against her without rebuttal), claimed MS did not improve its reading scores, and routinely targets black female journalists for trivial offenses, along with saying ugly things about Don Lemon and Charles Blow, while being highly critical of Ta-Nehesi Coates, suggesting he would needlessly scare his son about being black. As noted, Somerby sided with George Zimmerman and defended cops who killed black men such as Michael Brown, George Floyd. He also defended Kyle Rittenhouse.

      Somerby has not supported any black activist, writer, journalist or black issues here. He has frequently said that Democratic support for anti-racist and civil rights have driven away prospective voters. He was saying that before Trump arrived on the scene. With Trump's appearance, Somerby added immigrants to his list of targets. He didn't mention border control issues until Trump targeted them in his announcement speech.

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  6. Tell me how the white voters in Louisiana who sued in the Callais case were denied their right to vote by being in a black majority district, Mr Somerby.

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    1. We're white, we have privileges, bitch!

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  7. How is the redistricting of Memphis not a racially based abridgment of the black vote in majority black Memphis?

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    1. How is not a politically partisan-based abridgment of the Democratic vote in majority Democrat Memphis?

      How could a court distinguish the two?

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    2. Because you are claiming that black people will only vote for democrats in perpetuity, therefore their district will be extinguished.

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    3. My claim is it is impossible to distinguish between racial and partisan motivations for a given redistricting, so we should stop trying to pretend we can.

      And since any redistricting can always be changed, I can't make any sense out of your attributing to me the view that blacks' voting patterns are set in perpetuity.

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    4. Trump was up to 20% of the blah vote, mostly blah men. Instead of growing that vote, erase them from history, get rid of those blahs in military leadership, and fuck with their right to vote. That'll win 'em over!

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    5. Hector, no one makes the claim that white voters only vote for republicans, or whatever. Claiming that black voters vote/have voted/will vote a certain way is assigning behavior to them based on their race. The idea behind the VRA ideas to allow them to vote for candidates of their choice.

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    6. You mean the black majority district that has been represented by a white Democrat since 2007?

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    7. Hector/DG/other right wingers have come out of the woodwork to lend support to Somerby's racism, per usual.

      Yawn.

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    8. The fact that you think I'm a right-winger tells me all I need to know about your mental acuity.

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    9. Hector, as my 3-year-old granddaughter would say, DUH! They figured that out half a century ago when they noticed the Confederacy playing their fucking games. That was the specific reason the 1982 Amendments to the VRA were passed and signed by President. Jesus Christ, you act like you just discovered gold. No body is fucking saying you can prove it, ok? But it doesn't fucking matter.

      Section 2 Amendment ("Results Test"): Congress amended Section 2 to ban any voting practice that has a discriminatory effect (results test), establishing that proof of intent to discriminate is not required to violate the law.

      What the fuck is so hard to understand?

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    10. "no one makes the claim that white voters only vote for republicans, or whatever."

      They don't ONLY vote Republican, but in the south more of them vote Republican than vote Democrat. And that's all redistricting needs to make sense to Republicans on a partisan basis.

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    11. You did not address the reason that it is racist: assuming that black voters vote a certain way because they are black. Redestricting of white voters looks at voting patterns. Redistricting of black voters is done based on their race. And of course, “that's all redistricting needs to make sense to Republicans on a partisan basis” because they won’t admit it’s racist. And neither will you or Somerby.

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    12. I haven't expressed an opinion on whether redistricting is racist. I've said it's virtually impossible to prove it's racist.

      But since you bring it up, I suspect partisanship is a stronger motivator than racism in redistricting. More than anything else, politicians want to stay in power.

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    13. When a city like Memphis is mostly black and the city is split up into multiple districts (instead of remaining one district consisting of most of the city), so that black votes are distributed into white districts, isn't it pretty obvious that there is racial gerrymandering occurring? What other reason is there for splitting up a city like that?

      Why would this not be proof of racist intent?

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    14. White people have privilege dammit!

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  8. "We don't think of The View as a place to go for outstanding political commentary."

    But Fox is? Gutfeld is?

    Somerby obviously does not have the strength of mind or imagination to consider what the women on The View are saying, after hearing day after day that they are livestock and himself labeling them as "beards" for Gutfeld, not people in their own right.

    Somerby's ongoing negative whining about female journalists in general and specific women in politics, most recently Abby Phillip, leads me to think he has no interest in hearing what women have to say about anything and that predisposes him to be less impressed with their political commentary, obviously preferring Gutfeld and the other Fox assholes (based on the time he spends with them).

    And then we are expected to believe Somerby is some kind of liberal? I don't think so. I would not trust Somerby's judgment about "outstanding political commentary." Why do men watching podcasts like Joe Rogan think they have the smarts to evaluate what constitutes outstanding commentary, much less recommend anything to others? Somerby reads Brooks, Stephens, and the other right-wing opinion writers at the NY Times and AGREES WITH THEM for God's sake!!!

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    1. Somerby said those on The View are beards for Gutfeld? That doesn’t seem to make any sense. Cite, please.

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    2. He did use the word “beard”, but he may have been referring to Kat Timpf et al. It’s a slur that implies agency from a person who tells us not to be so judgmental. Meanwhile, poor Gutfeld is “disturbed.”

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    3. I guess that’s your way of retracting. Good for you. We all make mistakes.

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    4. I at 12:18 did not comment at 11:23. But do keep trying to be a jerk, FG.

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    5. Then I retract my praise. And if you want to avoid being confused with other anons, there is an easy solution.

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    6. Not going to take advice from you, DG.You didn’t accidentally confuse me with other anons.

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    7. And I’m noting that you’re not supporting your “beards” statement with a citation.

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    8. Just fuck off with this trolling, DG.

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    9. So I guess your accusation that Somerby called the women on The View beards for Gutfeld is just more made-up shit, right?

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    10. Wait a minute; who the fuck is Dogface George? I thought I was talking to “DG?”

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    11. DG has retracted his praise. How will I survive thus?

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    12. Again - All this is a distraction, isn't it? The accusation that Somerby said the women of The View are beards for Gutfeld seems to be made up.

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    13. It seems to me, and I am not 11:23, that Somerby has claimed over and over that the entire “blue” press corps remains silent about Gutfeld’s behavior, thus marking them as what you might call “beards” for his misogyny. Eh?

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    14. 1:26 - That at least would make some sense, but the accusation was specifically that the women of The View were labeled as Gutfeld's beards. And I don't remember Somerby ever saying anything like that, and nobody here seems to be able to cite him doing so.

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    15. Somerby has said repeatedly that Gutfeld hides behind a beard of comedy - much of that comedy being attacks against The View. This can be cited.

      So the original comment is essentially accurate.

      Opposing the original comment on excessively literal grounds is specious.

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    16. "I don't remember Somerby ever saying anything like that.."

      But you gotta admit, anything is possible, right?

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    17. 1:42 - Saying that Gutfeld's "comedy" is his beard is different from saying that "the women of The View" are his beard. Certainly you can appreciate that, can't you?

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    18. I mean, who or what is hiding the fact that Gutfeld is a propagandist? Somerby says it's Gutfeld's comedy; Somerby never said it's "the women of The View." Being the target of the "comedy" does not turn these women into Gutfeld's beards.

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    19. He accuses then entire “blue media” of being complicit with Gutfeld by their silence. How many times do you need to be told that?

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    20. Let's don't lose sight of the issue: Somerby never "labeled" the women of The View as "beards" for Gutfeld. That was a false statement.

      But - go ahead and rationalize away to distract us from this reality.

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    21. We went through that below. Stop saying this now that it has been contradicted by a quote from what Somerby said and everyone can read for themselves.

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    22. No, we didn't. Kat Timpf is not one of the women on The View.

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    23. I don’t watch any of those shows so your mistake went right by me. No one on the View is a beard but Somerby did say women on Gutfeld’s show were beards for him.

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  9. "If somebody fell asleep in 1896 and woke up today in 2026, they would simply say the only difference is now Negroes have a T.V. show and we wear nice suits. "

    Somerby is still truncating what Sellers said, changing the meaning by leaving out that KKK wear nice suits too. There was a comparison and parallel being made by Sellers that Somerby is not including here in this quote.

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    1. Sellers was being provocative to make a broader point. Maybe Somerby should try seeing things through the eyes of Sellers and black people in general rather than scolding them constantly.

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    2. Somerby is one of the good racists.

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    3. When Somerby suggested that a black athlete shouldn't be encouraged to attend an open entry college because she would likely flunk out, if he was truly concerned about her self-esteem would that make his assumption that she was not smart OK, because he was looking out for her interests? David too argues that affirmative action is bad for minorities because they fail at the opportunities opened to them. This isn't actually true when you look at outcomes for such beneficiaries.

      Benign racism is bad because it still harms the targeted group. So it is hard to say there are any good racists. No one needs to continue being racist. There are books and classes a person can take to stop being racist. When someone remains racist after as many years as Somerby has been here, it seems obvious he hasn't tried to change and likes being racist. That's on him.

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    4. Pretty clear at this point that just as women shouldn't have men competing with them as it is unfair, Trump should order all athletics to be segregated again because it is unfair for white people to compete against black people. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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  10. Somerby: "we marvel at the degree of support the president retains"

    Reality: Trump is the least popular president in modern history.

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    1. Yup, but one still has to marvel at how these fucking idiots still think Trump has done a single thing to help them, aside from attacking "low IQ people."

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    2. To be fair, those remaining supporters of his don’t see themselves in the group of “low IQ people”. Amazingly.

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    3. Trump uses low IQ as an euphemism for nig@r.

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  11. Somerby suggests that maybe the entire enterprise of identifying racial vote dilution is conceptually suspect.

    In reality, Black voters have struggled to translate population numbers into political representation due to bloc voting and districting.

    In reality, courts have been able to distinguish between racial and partisan motives, using empirical data and statistical evidence.

    Indeed, it is clear racism is still highly prevalent and relevant; the average Black family today has ~8-15 cents for every dollar the average White family has - not significantly different from 100 years ago.

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  12. The word “beard” is an offensive slur that Somerby tosses off in an offensive manner. It was originally applied to a woman who married a gay man to give him cover in social situations back in the days when being gay could lead to your firing, your social ostracism, and even arrest.

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    1. Is using an offensive slur against women something a person who was really a Right-winger would do?

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    2. "The word 'beard' is an offensive slur that Somerby tosses off in an offensive manner."

      If Somerby says that Gutfeld uses comedy as a beard to hide his propaganda, should I really get the smelling salts to revive you from the vapors?

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    3. Somerby used to get up in arms at liberals using the term “Karen”. So yeah, DG, his using the term beard is offensive. Just pointing that out causes you to lash out at me, for some odd reason.

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    4. Somerby is referring to Kat Timpf specifically today and has complained repeatedly that the women who appear with Gutfeld should be objecting to his sexist remarks.

      The women's movement blames men for their bad behavior. It does not suggest that women must police men by speaking out when they misbehave, risking their jobs and their physical safety in many situations. Kat Timpf is not responsible for what Gutfeld says, or anyone else on his show. She is responsible for her own words and Gutfeld is responsible for his, including the sexist non-jokes that malign women.

      I find the term "beard" offensive too. Somerby pretends to care about sexism against women by using an offensive term to criticism WOMEN for men's wrongdoing. There is nothing OK with that.

      DG, why don't you fuck off. We all know who you are and why you are here. You produce twice as many comments as other trolls by attacking other commenters while contributing absolutely nothing to discussion.

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    5. There are plenty of women in MAGA and supporting Trump too, and he has to be one of the worst offenders against women in our times. The presence of those women does not excuse any of Trump's abuses against women. They are not "beards" because they do not speak out against Trump, nor do they exonerate him for anything he has done. They are misguided women. Kat Timpf and Jessica Tarlov and other women who appear with Gutfeld are not excusing, giving permission, normalizing, approving or in any way serving as "beards" for Gutfeld. That is Somerby's fantasy and misuse of the term "beard" (which IS offensive and a smear). I wouldn't go anywhere near Gutfeld under any circumstances, but I am not right wing, not trying to have a career in entertainment, and not sacrificing anything personally with my stance. No woman sbould have to damage herself or her own career because someone like Gutfeld (or Harvey Weinstein, or Louis CK or Bill Cosby or Joe Rogan or Bob Somerby) decides to say or do something that harms women. That is what police are for, ultimately, and individual viewers who choose to watch Gutfeld while he behaves badly. Somerby is thus more responsible for Gutfeld's continuing ability to harm women than any woman on Gutfeld's show is.

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    6. If you think my suggestion that you may be overly sensitive is "lashing out," you may be proving my point.

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    7. Just so the record is clear: There is no cite provided for the suggestion that Somerby has ever called any woman a "beard."

      But if you wish to criticize him for doing so anyway, go right ahead.

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    8. Just so the record is clear, here is where Somerby refers to beards TODAY, this morning:

      "On the "cable news" program we've mentioned, a disturbed man performing behind several beards won't stop behaving this way."

      He is calling the women who perform behind Gutfeld "several beards" His specific reference is to Kat Timpf, who was among the women today.

      What do you gain by so obviously lying about Somerby's behavior?

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    9. 4:21 - You're right, and I'm wrong. He is calling Kat Timpf a "beard." I read that as using Timpf to normalize his misogyny. But I apologize, sincerely.

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    10. To be clear, I read Somerby as saying that Gutfeld uses Timpf to normalize Gutfeld's misogyny.

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    11. Again, my apology is sincere. My question to you is this: Somerby's point here is that Gutfeld hides behind Timpf; if she doesn't seem offended by his gutter misogyny, it's a signal that we shouldn't be offended either. Isn't the term "beard" appropriate here? And if not, can you think of a better term?

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    12. Dogface, this is like saying that if a woman does something you find unpleasant, shouldn't she be called a bitch? What is wrong with that and isn't it the bestest term? It is still derogatory, whether you think it fits or not.

      Somerby likes to say that blue America has agreed not to talk about things, as if there were a contract signed somewhere. Timpf didn't agree to be a "beard" which is a misapplied term borrowed from the bad old days when everyone had to pretend to be heterosexual in order to avoid attack. Somerby is accusing Timpf and other women on Gutfeld's show of having an agreement to normalize Gutfeld's sexism, betraying their womanhood and feminists everywhere by pretending Gutfeld is funny when he is an asshole. As I very carefully explained, it is not the job of women to police men's bad behavior. Men need to improve themselves. And no, there is no agreement by any women appearing on Gutfeld's show to act as a shield for Gutfeld against the consequences of his actions.

      When comics used to go on Johnny Carson's show, they would sit on the couch and laugh at his jokes whether they were funny or not. Because that is polite and he was the host of the show and they no doubt wanted to be invited back again. That is ALL Timpf and other women do on Gutfeld's show. They do not condone or normalize or approve of his sexism against other women. They are earning whatever money they were paid for making their appearances, being professional, furthering their careers, just as men do when they sit there silent too.

      Meanwhile Somerby supports Gutfeld by watching his show. If Somerby disapproved, he would turn off the show and watch something else. He gets no props for pointing out that Joy Behar is not actually a whale. He is an asshole for suggesting that if men do something sexist, it is the fault of the women nearby for not having him arrested by the thought police. Women believe in free speech too, dontcha know?

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    13. I differ. I think it's probable thatTimpf and other women on the show are being paid very well "to normalize Gutfeld's sexism, betraying their womanhood and feminists everywhere by pretending Gutfeld is funny when he is an asshole."

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    14. But you yourself are not averse to using derogatory terms like "asshole." So I think it's not insults in general that you take offense at, but gendered insults. But here Somerby is applying the term "beard" to both men and women ("a disturbed man performing behind several beards"). To my ear, he's denigrating all of Gutfeld's lickspittles.

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    15. Men are not beards because lesbians fly under the radar. Just like no one cares about transmen just transwomen. Yes, that is bias.

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    16. Funny how Timpf thinks she is being paid as an entertainer, not a foil to Gutfeld. Why is Gutfeld the center of the universe? Sexism, not talent.

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  13. Word has it that the DOJ is contemplating settling the 10 billion dollar lawsuit Trump has brought against the federal government. That is nice.

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    1. Did you hear the possible terms? The IRS agrees not to audit Trump’s or his families’ or business’ taxes.

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    2. And when the fucking media refers to the fucking Trump DOJ, the fucking media means to say Trump’s fucking lawyers

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    3. It always comes down to the fucking corruption like no one has ever seen before; and like no press corps has always worked so hard to ignore.

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    4. You notice the cowards don’t even ask him to show his tax returns

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  14. 18 comments today by DG (Dogface George). So far, his attacks on others here amount to about 18% of all comments.
    Ilya 1
    Hector 4

    Anonymous is not a nym. It is someone who has declined to identify themselves using a nym. The overwhelming majority here do that without problems.

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    1. And you can count my comments because I use a nym. You're welcome.

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    2. And what have we learned by counting your comments? Nothing important, except you talk a lot with little to show for it. And look how the anons can have ongoing discussions and conversations with each other, without any names. There is a lesson there, if you are smart enough to learn anything.

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    3. "And look how the anons can have ongoing discussions and conversations with each other, without any names."

      Really? I see you can count comments, but can you read them?

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  15. Somerby has been complaining that being anti-racist (and supporting similar positions against sexism, against LGBTQ bigotry, against xenophobia, pro-DEI and affirmative action, will cause Democrats to lose votes. Of course it will -- we will lose the votes of everyone who is bigoted, against women's issues, in favor of all the things Republicans stand for. We will lose those who want to pollute and those who don't care about conservation and climate change. We will also lose those who favor wealth accumulation and oppose worker and union issues.

    People gravitate to the party that supports their priorities and addresses their concerns. Blue America is different than Red America. The goal in an election is to get out the vote among those who support us, not try to convert Reds into Blues. I don't give a damn who Republicans want to vote for and what they believe on various issues. They don't hold the same beliefs as my party and my preferred candidates. This is Somerby's fundamental reasoning error. He imagines a field full of undecided people who can be persuaded toward our party if we conceal what we are really for and talk to them in red American terms that appeal to their own self-interest. He thinks we in Blue America should be like him, say we support what we don't and pretend to be on their side, even when we are not. He is not for honesty, does not represent his own views honestly, and thinks that we need to camoflage our real concerns over things like racism and abortion, in order to trick voters into thinking we are redder when we are blue.

    I want more woke. I despise candidates who pretend to be Blue while voting in Congress like a Republican (that's you, Fetterman).

    Somerby demonstrates how this works daily, by concealing his Red identity and advancing right wing talking points, always chiding Blue America for things he considers failures, and then claiming he is one of us when he is obviously not. I hope Somerby gets paid for doing that, like Fetterman and Sinema and Manchin, who lined their own pockets while betraying Democrats. The alternative is that Somerby is confused about his political identity and has a kind of political borderline personality disorder (like George Santos). That would make him mentally ill. Not that he couldn't be both -- doing it for the money but believing that it is right to pretend that Blues are really Reds (and vice versa) so that we can all get along better, kumbaya y'all.

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