STORIES: Paul from Cornwall repeated a story!

MONDAY, DECEMBER 23, 2024

So had the pitiful Musk: Some of the western world's most treasured stories are told at this time of the year.

We humans are said to love our stories. It's said that we're inclined to gravitate to pleasing stores more than to verified facts.

So it can go with our stories! Yesterday morning, Paul from Cornwall, New York recited a newer story—a story many people across the fruited plain have now been condemned to hear.

Last week, to cite one example, celebrity circus clown Elon Musk recited this new (and inaccurate) story on the vehicle he purchased and renamed as X. For the background to that bit of storytelling, see Saturday's report.

Musk is widely said to be the richest person in the world. He often seems determined to reinforce an ancient claim—a statement drawn from one of the culture's oldest stories:

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

David French repeats that ancient statement right in today's New York Times! The aforementioned clown frequently seems to be determined to reinforce this claim.

Back to Paul in Cornwall, New York, on the western shore of the Hudson! Yesterday morning, at 7:15, he spoke by phone with the moderator of C-Span's Washington Journal

Responding to the morning's key question, he said he was "very optimistic" about Donald J. Trump's second term. To watch the videotape of this call, you can just click here.

Paul from Cornwall is "very optimistic" about Trump's second term. He has every right to "think that a-way"—but along the way, he said this about the recent budget bill which averted a government shutdown:

PAUL IN CORNWALL (12/22/24): ...I want to thank [Trump] very much for noticing that 40 percent pay raise Congress wanted to give itself, and they put the kibosh on that. No way to a 40 percent increase! I mean—

These members of Congress today! According to the C-Span caller, they had initially tried to give themselves a 40 percent pay increase!

Trump had put the kibosh on that unholy attempt. So the widely told, and wildly inaccurate, political story now goes.

At any rate, so said Paul in Cornwall, New York on a chilly Sunday morning. C-Span moderators rarely challenge their callers' claims, but in this instance, the statement by Paul in Cornwall produced this initial response:

PAUL IN CORNWALL (12/22/24): ...I want to thank [Trump] very much for noticing that 40 percent pay raise Congress wanted to give itself, and he put the kibosh on that. No way to a 40 percent increase! I mean—

MODERATOR: I don't believe it was a 40 percent pay raise. If I'm not mistaken, I believe it was six. But let me pull up the exact detail so we can get that number right. But continue your point while I look for that.

Paul did in fact continue his point. Soon, though, the moderator spoke again.

As it turned out, she had been mistaken in her initial statement. She was now correcting even herself! This is the way she started:

MODERATOR: So Paul, before I let you go—before I let you go, Paul, I just want to read about that 40 percent number. So there is a fact-check on that in Reuters, saying that the bipartisan stopgap spending bill did not include a 40% pay raise for Congress. 

Uh-oh! She now read from the Reuters fact-check, which was visible on the screen. This is the part of the fact-check which she read.

A temporary spending bill scuttled by opposition from President-elect Donald Trump would have made U.S. Congress members eligible for a 3.8% salary increase, not 40%, as suggested in posts online that misinterpret a report on congressional salaries. The bill would have ended a longtime pay freeze, allowing lawmakers to be eligible for a 3.8% salary increase in January, which would have been equal to $6,600.

Oof! In fact, the proposed pay raise had been killed—but it had actually been a 3.8 percent pay increase. That would have been substantially less than Paul from Cornwall's 40 percent.

In short, Paul from Cornwall had been way off. Here's how the colloquy ended:

MODERATOR: So that is the detail on that there, Paul. Did you have any other points before I let you go?

PAUL FROM CORNWALL: No, and I'm glad you fact-checked me on that. I do appreciate that, But still, they don't even deserve that, because the working class in America isn't even getting that. So—have a merry Christmas, everybody and [indecipherable] next year!

Paul's factual claim had been crazily off. But as is said to be a common practice among us humans, his Storyline remained.

We'll advance several guesses about that exchange:

Paul from Cornwall is a good, decent person. When he called C-Span yesterday, he didn't know that the story he had heard was crazily, wildly inaccurate.

As we noted on Saturday, the circus clown Musk was one of the people who had blared that bullroar to the waiting world. Millions of people—not just Paul—had thereby been misinformed by what this badly bloated designer of clown-cars had said.

Long lay the world! In ancient times, the world in question was overrun with conquering Roman legions. The world in which we live today is overrun with wealthy people who have agreed to cast themselves in the role of the conquering clown.

The aforementioned fellow is one of those people. Or it may just be that "something is wrong" inside the fellow's head. 

In the ancient story, an occupied people sought a way to deal with their occupation. Today, our clown-car drivers include major industrialists. Increasingly, they're assisted by a healthy assortment of D-list comedians staging an assault from below.

Tomorrow, we'll review the recent work of Rob Schneider, who we knew a tiny tad way back in the summer of 85. As a general matter, we disagree with Rob's political assessments at this point in time. In fairness, that of course means that he disagrees with ours.

For today, we'll close with one last part of Sunday's story. That's the part where the Reuters fact-check amazingly says this:

Fact Check: Bipartisan stopgap spending bill did not include 40% pay raise for Congress

[...]

VERDICT

Misleading. The bipartisan temporary spending bill, if approved, would have given members of Congress a 3.8% pay raise in January 2025, not a 40% pay increase.

No, we aren't making that up! Reuters could have delivered a verdict of "False." Delivering the coup de grace within our own tale, it went with "Misleading" instead!

(Long lay the world, the story says, in sin and error pining!)

We're going to bring you some stories this week. Our species tends to run on that rocket fuel, and our stories are frequently wrong.

Tomorrow: Terra Nova High School grad opens for Donald J. Trump!

Concerning Cornwall, New York: What's it like in Cornwall, New York? The leading authority on the community starts by telling us this:
Cornwall, New York

Cornwall is a town in Orange County, New York, United States, approximately 50 miles north of New York City on the western shore of the Hudson River. As of the 2020 census, the population was at 12,884. Cornwall has become a bedroom community for area towns and cities including New York City...

Cornwall's Main Street includes gift shops, taverns, restaurants, coffeehouses, yoga studios and boutiques. Government offices, churches, parks, the riverfront, and St. Luke's Cornwall Hospital, a part of the Montefiore Health System, are situated within walking distance of downtown. The town is a designated Tree City.

Cornwall was the top selection to represent New York State in "The Best Places to Raise Kids 2013" by Bloomberg Business Week magazine.
It sounds a bit like Camus' Oran. Faithful readers of this site will know what happened there!


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  1. But of course 40% salary increase was there, from $174,000 to $243,000. The number, $243,000, it was in there, and why else would they put this number -- Into.The.Bill?

    Anyhow. We all are long familiar with Trump derangement syndrome. Hello, Musk derangement syndrome!

    It's great, it's perfect. We Democrats must produce at least one anti-Musk smear every day! This is how we win!

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    1. What are you babbling about?
      Trump Derangement Syndrome was eaten by Haitian immigrants.
      Try to keep up.

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    2. Here is where the $243,000 figure comes from (according to Factcheck.org):

      "A law passed in 1989 sought to make it easier, politically, by including an automatic annual cost-of-living pay raise tied to the Employment Cost Index (and limited by the percentage base pay increase for white-collar federal employees).


      But as the Congressional Research Service explains, Congress for years has blocked those automatic pay increases from taking effect. Indeed, the pay for rank-and-file members of Congress has been frozen at $174,000 a year since 2009. (Those in leadership positions earn more.)

      “If Members of Congress had received every adjustment prescribed by the ECI formula since 1992, and the statutory limitation … regarding the percentage base pay increase for [General Schedule federal] employees remained unchanged, the 2024 salary would be $243,300,” the CRS report said. (Had the automatic cost-of-living adjustments taken effect just since 2009, pay would now be $217,900, the report states.)

      That is presumably where the $243,000 figure cited in the X post comes from.

      But that’s not how much the continuing resolution would raise congressional pay.

      As the CRS report notes, “The maximum potential January 2025 adjustment is 3.8%, which would result in a salary of $180,600, an increase of $6,600.”

      Musk should have understood that, but he instead distorted that discussion into a proposed raise of 40%. That had to be deliberate, which suggessts dishonesty, not stupidity.

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    3. There are news stories that answer your question about the $243k figure. It was used for comparison, to describe how much iCongressional salaries would be if they hadn’t forgone pay raises for so long.

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    4. The number $243,000 was NOT in the bill, it was in a CRS report, and it was in reference to the salary of congress if cost of living adjustments had been accumulating since 1992.

      9:22 is all hat and no cattle, smugly posting with bluster, but completely wrong on the facts.

      According to Musk, folks in congress make $16,500/year.

      Yeah, Musk is a moron, he did not bother to even read the bill, he just shot off his mouth without knowing anything or bothering to learn anything.

      This is why Musk has quickly lost Twitter 80% of its value; Musk is just yet another nepo-baby know nothing billionaire sexual predator that Trump is filling his administration with as he brings the swamp.

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    5. @10:27 AM,
      One can use something "for comparison, to describe" blah, blah, blah in an opinion article. In a speech. In a public release.

      But not in a statute. It's just not being done, as far as I know.

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    6. Regardless of whatever your point is, Musk was wrong, and there was no $243k mentioned in the bill, so the commenter was also wrong, which is why neither have any credibility.

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    7. As noted, it wasn't in the statute.

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    8. Yes, it was not in the bill, so Musk got it wrong, and so did the commenter. Both are wrong, both have zero credibility.

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    9. Right wing ignorance isn’t going to manufacture itself.

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    10. Speaking of right wing, the county home for Cornwall, Orange County ...

      " ... voted Republican in four of the six previous Presidential elections (2008 and 2012 went Democratic)." -Wikipedia

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    11. Here's the text of the original version of the CR:
      Click right here!

      Kindly show us where they put the number Into. The. Bill. You can't, because it didn't happen. You've been suckered.

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  2. Didn’t Bob point out this error before? Why does he keep harping on it?

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    1. Because it wasn't an "error". It was a deliberate untruth told by Musk to justify blowing up a spending bill negotiation that Trump himself had worked out with Johnson and the rest of Congress. The reasons are no doubt related to political advantage. Perhaps they wanted to portray Biden as inept again, or maybe Musk wanted to undermine Trump. You'd have to be them to know. Somerby tries to blame "narrative" but a narrative doesn't know whether it is true or false. It is the product of people's actions, in this case Musk. Maybe Musk was trying to embarrass Trump. Somerby offers no explanation for Musk's behavior. Maybe Musk is somehow related to those ancient Romans.

      In the words of Monty Python, "What have the Romans ever given us?"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

      Somerby's own purposes are always murky. Perhaps his point is that even lies come in narrative form, but Somerby never uses the word "lie." Perhaps he wishes to spare Musk's feelings (or Paul's from upstate NY). Perhaps he wants us to distrust all narratives, since those ancient Romans told stories, just as cavemen did before them. Who knows why Somerby writes what he writes.

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    2. This is fake David mocking how the real David is ruled by hypocrisy, never complaining when Bob harps on Dems, but turning into a crybaby when the harping is applied to his side.

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    3. this error

      Bwahahaha. "Error" Go take a flying fuck, Dickhead, you fascist prick.

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    4. 10:55 - “Perhaps [Somerby] wishes to spare Musk’s feelings”

      I’d discount that theory - Somerby calls Musk a “celebrity circus clown” who’s bound for hell.

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  3. A C-Span caller (no doubt on the Republican or Independent call-in line) repeats a lie deliberately told by the right wing to justify blowing up the funding resolution negotiated by Johnson, at Musk/Trump's behest.

    Somerby calls that narrative or story-telling and laments that people have done this Roman times. The problem isn't that people think in narratives and tell stories in chronological order (because that is how we live our lives). It is that political manipulators tell lies to sway voters against their political enemies.

    Somerby keeps identifying the wrong causes, the wrong villains, blaming the wrong people. This isn't a problem because we are human beings who think the way humans think (as part of the evolution of our species). This is a problem because politicians tell lies to gain political advantage. Musk did it too. Like others on the right, Musk and Trump use lying to advance their own interests, and this is another example of their untrustworthiness.

    Paul on C-Span could have fact-checked for himself. He didn't do that. Most people wouldn't, because these guys are too old to have been in school when computer fact-checking skills were being taught. They are now, especially at the college level. Somerby does not advocate that people become college educated. He calls that elitism, like the rest of the right does. Meanwhile, the press attempts fact-checking for its readers. Somerby dislikes the press too. He doesn't praise Reuters for getting this right and correcting the record, fact-checking Musk and Trump. Instead, he blames we the people for thinking from the past to the present, which is what a narrative or a story does. It arranges facts in chronological order with a beginning and end. And that makes it bad, according to Somerby. Somerby's attempts to undermine trust in the mainstream press (such as Reuters) do no one any good. They mainly prevent people from accessing the corrections to the lies told by the right wing in our country. That is to no one's benefit.

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    1. Agree. It is interesting that Paul did not change his view in light of being corrected.

      It is important to be aware, that Paul is a typical Republican voter, stuck in a mode (survival mode as Dr Bandy Lee puts it), his views and his vote, implacable.

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  4. I voted for Trump because he was willing to demonstrate, even in front of children, how to fellate a man.

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    1. I voted for President Musk because he was willing to ask for sexual favors from a flight attendant, and then was willing to pay the flight attendant off ($250k) when they complained.

      Women find Musk repulsive so he has to pay for any attention, including sex; as a Republican voter, I can relate to that.

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    2. lol. we gotta get it any way we can

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  5. As a Republican, I own lots of guns, but do not fear, I only use bullet ballots for ammo.

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  6. Republicans polled the day before the election: the economy is in ruin, society is in decline

    Republicans polled the day after the election: the economy is booming, everything is fine

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    1. In a blind poll, a majority of Republicans prefer Harris’ policies over Trump’s.

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    2. Typical of Republicans, lacking integrity is a feature, not a bug.

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    3. In an official blind poll, namely the election, Trump got more votes.

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    4. 64% of voters after the election said it was not focused on important policy debates. (In October, a nearly
      identical 62% of registered voters said this). Seven-in-ten voters say the 2024 campaign did not make them feel proud of the country.

      https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2024/12/PP_2024.12.3_election-2024_REPORT.pdf

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    5. Dickhead, I know you're too dumb to realize this, but you didn't address the point of 11:53's post.

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    6. When a poll or projection turns out not to match reality, which is wrong? The projection or reality?

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    7. David in Cal is a long-time reality aficionado.
      LO fucking L.

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  7. NCAA Commissioner grilled by Republicans in a hearing, but uh oh:

    Q - how many athletes in the NCAA? A - 510,000

    Q - how many trans? A - less than 10

    Oof!

    The faux moral panic over cultural issues like transgender people is a distraction so you don’t notice as Republicans pick your pocket.

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    1. "Oof"? The smallness of a problem is not an excuse not to fix it.

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    2. Nothing to fix, dork.

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    3. Men playing women's sports is a problem, no matter how rare. And no matter how many hurtful names you call me.

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    4. From time immemorial, the word "man" meant someone with a penis and testicles. "Woman" meant someone with breasts and vagina. A man who had a sex change has breasts and a vagina, so that person is a woman, by definition. Before the transition, that person has a penis and testicles, so he is a man, no matter how he feels. A man who feels like he's a woman is still a man.

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    5. It's a much bigger problem than the fake border crisis.

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    6. On this topic, Simon Rosenberg (Hopium Chronicles) says this:

      "We’ve been winning in election after election across the US since Dobbs. It’s why I think commentators who’ve dismissed our persistent winning and overperformance since Dobbs are missing what may be the central dynamic in American politics today - that MAGA is just too ugly to win, and MAGA 2024 is far uglier and more dangerous than it was in 2022 or 2020."

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    7. The smallness of a problem is not an excuse not to fix it.
      It means that it's a non-problem, which is why GOP is trying to fix it; they exceed at fixing non-problems.

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    8. Anti-trans rhetoric at Trump rallies still gets consistent applause from attendees. That is why they care.

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    9. Shall we keep referring to Musk as Mr. President because he thinks of himself that way and wants to be President? Trump is gleeful that Musk can never be president because he was born in South Africa. His glee is like a Republican telling a transwoman that she can never be a real girl because she wasn't born that way. Does anyone think Trump's "technicality" is going to stop Musk from doing what he wants (as he did re the funding bill)? Why should a transwoman butch up just because some moron thinks he can tell other people how to live their lives? No one has come along and told Trump he wears too much spray tan and other makeup, after all. No one is clear what look he is trying to achieve but whatever it is, it isn't manly. Where are the definitions of man and woman when Trump needs to hear them?

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    10. dork @3:35 - I just called you one.

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  8. In The Plague by Camus, a work of fiction, the city of Oran was overrun by the bubonic plague. Obviously, the bubonic plague was more devastating than covid, but because of the book, inevitable parallels were drawn, as this BBC story describes:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53946103

    Somerby's borrowing of this metaphor, original to Camus, strikes me as in very poor taste, given that we successfully addressed covid under Biden (unlike Oran with the much worse plague), and given that Camus himself was drawing parallels with the Nazi takeover in WWII, whereas Somerby is talking about the inept and deteriorating Trump and his goon squad, who have not even taken office yet.

    Somerby doom and gloom is old, but he is yet again applying it to a situation in which we are far from helpless (unlike plagues). The priest in Camus's "story" tells everyone they deserve their horrible fate. Somerby seems to be saying the same thing, as he rants here daily against Democrats for being Democrats. I find it disrespectful to those who suffer real plagues (as Oran did in the 3rd worst afflicted country in Africa under covid) when Somerby uses Oran for political purposes, as he has taken to doing lately. Camus wrote fiction but the experience of plague under covid was real. It is not cute for Somerby to pin that label back on those people in Oran, who didn't deserve it in the first place.

    This is just another way in which Somerby shows himself to be an asshole. Musk and Trump are not plague. They are people who can be resisted and kept from harming others by the concerted efforts of those who oppose them. That is what happened in Congress and it should give hope, not be decried as "plague" by right wing operatives like Somerby.

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  9. Trump is gearing up to cut Social Security, the effort headed by Musk, an unelected bureaucrat and infamous snake oil salesman, but the Dems will block it, per usual.

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    1. Not to mention he colluded with Russia in order to win the election and tried overturn a free and fair election by inciting a mob to violently overthrow the government which killed multiple police officers.

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  10. Trump to the Palestinians: there will be hell to pay

    Trump to Netanyahu: finish the job

    Trump to Putin: do as you will, I will do your bidding

    America elected a psychotic war hawk.

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  11. President Musk is angling to be the self appointed czar of a new government agency: The Department of Men Ashamed of Their Undersized Penis, the DMATUP.

    VP Trump approves.

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  12. Inflation is primarily caused by corporations acquiring enough power to arbitrarily raise prices.

    Tariffs, though wisely rarely used, is another cause of inflation.

    Trump supports both, forcing the Fed to diminish the predicted amount of future cuts to interest rates, causing in large part the worst slump in the stock market in 50 years.

    Trump’s ability to navigate a healthy economy is limited, at best, unsurprising considering his disastrous record as a businessman.

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  13. Elon Musk blew up a near-complete bipartisan budget deal with an avalanche of tweets contending that it was too costly, luring Donald Trump into demanding that Republicans kill it.

    But Musk’s real reason—a story that David Dayen broke in the Prospect—was that the agreement included painstakingly negotiated limits on American tech investment in China.

    Had that provision passed, it would have been costly to Musk’s extensive Chinese Tesla operations and future AI plans.

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    1. Was the original deal too costly? AFAIK we were never told what it would cost. A billion? Ten billion? A hundred billion?

      Our political leaders often behave as if they have an infinite store or money, so cost doesn't matter. That's wrong.

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    2. The USA is the richest country in the world.
      Some of us weren't convinced by a rapist that it's a shit hole.

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    3. Our political leaders often behave as if they have an infinite store or money, so cost doesn't matter. That's wrong.
      This was a continuous funding resolution. Not like they were inventing new ways to spend money. All that aside, the fact that this pompous nitwit, named, Musk is unashamedly tells elected officials what to do does not portend well for the future of this country.

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    4. The bill that was passed did not reduce the amount of funding from the original deal. The items removed, such as funding for children's cancer research, had already been passed by both houses, so taking it out of this deal did nothing.

      My understanding (according to Steve Benen) is that it did change some language about trade relations with China that Elon Musk objected to because it would affect his business with China. This seems to have been a self-serving unilateral action by Musk to derail that portion of the bill, independent of Trump's cooperation with Johnson on a bipartisan compromise to keep the government funded.

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    5. As described by 3:34 and ignored by David in Cal.

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    6. Ilya it was a continuing funding resolution AND it also included many new ways to spend additional amounts of money.

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    7. Everyone take notice how Dickhead in Cal completely ignores the main thrust of 3:34's comment. The uitter corruption we're already seeing of President Muskaswamy. DiC just completely averts his eyes and deflects the thread to another irrelevant topic. That is what Dickhead in Cal loves to do, deflect, throw dust, change the subject, get everyone chasing their tails.

      You are such a fucking dishonest troll, Dickhead.

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    8. included many new ways to spend additional amounts of money.

      You mean like providing disaster relief to hard hit red states, Dickhead, you fucking dishonest trolling bastard.

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    9. @7:19 - Can you provide a list of the many new ways to spend additional amounts of money in the CR?

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    10. @DiC: As far as you know? The cost of the original CR was $1.777 trillion. The version that passed after Trump and Musk intervened cost slightly more, $1.834 trillion.

      If the goal was to reduce spending, the Dynamic Duo moved in the wrong direction.

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    11. If the think Trump is doing a bad job now - just wait until he becomes President!

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    12. It will be a tough four years for Democrats and right wing Neocons. They supported someone who ran a perfect campaign and still lost to Trump. But their candidate wasn't elected because she was a woman. So it was kind of dumb to run a woman if her gender was a possible issue. But they did. And now they have to pay the price. All they can do is sit in the back of the car and bitch about it like spoiled children. They have to be careful their bitching doesn't counter productively make them look like idiots and unwittingly help Trump, something that happened over and over during the election cycle. If they were smart, they would concentrate on making themselves better and stronger, figuring out how they can address populism and the overwhelming distrust in institutions included their own, make themselves more appealing to non-College-Educated voters while not losing College-Educated Voters, try to figure out a way to retain the support of all demographic groups, not just Whites! Hyper-focusing on Trump will not do any of that and has failed in such a grand way thus far. It is a matter of controlling what you can and not over-focusing on what you can't.

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    13. Agree.
      Fuck white people.

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  14. Many of us are discussing the need to build new democratic media in independent media spaces. Jonathan V. Last (The Triad, Bulwark substack) is trying to do that and urges his readers to participate in the comments. Here is his vision for that:

    "As we’ve grown we’ve all worked to keep this place special. Comments strive to be engaging, enlightening, and entertaining. I want everyone to post with kindness. To be your best selves. To post intentionally, as if you are trying to build a community. Because that’s what we’re doing. Never lose sight of that."

    As you read Cecelia, AC/MA, PP and others here, ask yourself whether they share any such vision for what Somerby's comments could be about. Does Somerby? I don't think Somerby has much an identity as a Democrat or Progressive, nor does he care what anyone writes in his "community." I find that sad, not only because he might be finding commonality with others instead of just disparaging people, but also because he is not working to better our country. He is allied with the wrong side in this struggle.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/2025-will-be-worse-but-also-better

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    1. I do hope you know Jonathan V. Last and the Bulwark don't have much of an identity as Democrats or Progressives either. They represent the lowest elements of the neocon right wing, who, like Al Qaeda, Democrats are all now totally cool with.

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    2. Anonymouse 7:08pm, AC/MA and PP/DG certainly share Somerby’s politics to one extent or another. David and I don’t agree on everything, but we’re internet conservatives, which means that we’re more into politics than the average person/conservative, who is likely to be more open to approaches from Dems.

      It’s that last type of American that Bob wants to go after. He thinks you’re failing at that. He’s right (but you’re only here to bash him over his failure to hate your targets.)

      Bob has been right.

      https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/22/democrats-2024-election-problem-focus-group-00195806

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    3. It’s that last type of American that Bob wants to go after.

      Go for it, "Bob". Be my fucking guest. Show us the magic words.

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    4. The more Conservative you are, the less open you are to reality, for sure.
      Who would argue otherwise?

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    5. The article says participants compared the Democratic Party to an ostrich with its head in the sand and to koalas who are complacent and lazy. The Democratic supporting commenters here are not even interested in examining how they may have contributed to their loss - which backs up those assertions. It's true the Democratic party is in huge trouble and may not be around in 10 years unless they drastically reform from the top.

      It will be fascinating to read the history when it is written, just as it has been fascinating to witness it unfold here in real time.

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    6. "Without a clear party leader and with losses across nearly every demographic in November, Democrats are walking into a second Trump presidency without a unified strategy to improve their electoral prospects."

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    7. "An Arizona man, citing the time Harris said, “you better thank a union member,” during a speech in Detroit, said “that was very disingenuous to me because I didn’t see an honest person that could be president.”

      That *was* an extremely strange presentation by Harris.

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    8. Plus the Haitians are eating our pets. And the geese.

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    9. Haitians are eating our pets was from the other side, not our side. It's good when they do it, we want to avoid the appearance of disingenuousness.

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    10. And they're taking all the black jobs. What are the blacks gonna do if the Haitians take all their jobs?

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    11. "our side"

      You got a mouse in you pocket? "Our" - bwahahaha!

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    12. You don't want me to be a part of our side??

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    13. 10:37, you'll have to be more direct. I can't tell what side you're on. I am a proud educated liberal. I don't intend to turn my brain off to win elections.

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  15. Bob calls Musk "pitiful" and a "celebrity circus clown". Ilya calls him a "pompous nitwit." I know Ilya and Bob don't like the fact that Musk strongly supported Trump, but give me a break. Musk has achieved more than almost any other living human being.

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    1. That is a total lie. Many people in history have achieved more than Musk. Money is not the measure of greatness or achievement.

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    2. @7:15 - Can you provide a list of the many living people who have achieved more than Musk?

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    3. You can be president of the Musk Fan Club for Fascist Boyz, ok, Dickhead. And start your own fucking blog to write about how much you love him. Over here, we're trying to discuss his corruption. Can you go stick your head up your ass now, Dickhead in Cal?

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    4. Bill Gates
      Joe Biden
      Paul Krugman
      Taylor Swift
      Bill Clinton
      Ruth Bader Ginsberg
      The scientists who developed covid vaccine
      Tiger Woods
      Jimmy Carter
      Chef Andres

      Why the sudden stipulation about living?

      Gandhi
      MLK Jr
      Abraham Lincoln

      you get the idea


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    5. Why Bill Gates? Because of his philanthropy. Ditto Carter and Clinton. A good decent person gives to help others.

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    6. I am not arguing that Musk is the greatest person who ever lived or in world today. My point is that he has a number of very large diverse achievements. It’s silly to call him a clown or a twit.

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    7. I dunno, David. What else would you call someone who repeatedly makes sweeping statements that can easily and quickly be proven wrong?

      "Clown" is one of the nicer choices.

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    8. Quaker -- IMO just about everyone in politics does this. Not to mention most of the commenters here.

      Also, IMO actions are much more important than statements. If MLK made some false or exaggerated statement, he would still be a great man.

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    9. IMO just about everyone in politics does this.

      What a fucking bullshitting coward you are, Dickhead.

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    10. Quaker -- IMO just about everyone in politics does this. Not to mention most of the commenters here.

      Every right wing accusation is a confession. No exceptions. This explains why Dickhead in Cal feels no shame coming here every day to bullshit. He thinks that is what he's supposed to do in politics.

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    11. David in Cal,
      As the person who comes here to say every Republican voter is a bigot, I too believe actions are much more important than statements.

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    12. Always use Occam's Razor when analyzing the idiot felon's action. He is bitching about Panama as the Gov. is after the deadbeat resident elect over his Panama City Frumpy branded property. An ass at all times.

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  16. What is clear from recent events is that Elon Musk is manipulating Donald Trump to achieve goals that will benefit Musk financially. Trump's latest statements only make sense in that context.

    Jeff Tiedrich explains:

    https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/oh-look-elderly-golfer-is-a-geopolitical

    1. Trump is threatening to take back the Panama Canal from Panama because of the fees they charge to ship cargo through the canal. Musk is one of the people who spends a lot of money to ship materials related to his businesses, including Tesla.

    2. Trump has a grievance against Panama because the owners of a building there unceremoniously removed Trump's branding (his name) from their building and Trump companies are being accused of tax evasion in Panama.

    3. Trump has been talking about annexing Canada and buying Greeland because climate change is creating new shipping routes in the artic.

    4. Trump is talking about invading Mexico not to stop cartels but because Mexico is building a transnational railroad from the Atlantic to the Pacific, that would enable shipping to bypass the Panama Canal.

    As Tiedrich states:

    "suddenly, Donny’s anger over an increase in canal access fees makes sense — because there’s a 100% certainty that Donny had no idea that money changes hands when ships use the Canal — but of course the Space Nazi is all too aware of anything that affects his bottom line."

    "...here where we stand today: a demented megalomaniac who will soon have access to a nuclear arsenal — and who would love nothing more than to crown himself King of the World — is being manipulated by one or more greedy plutocrats who have their own business interests at heart.

    what could possibly go wrong?"

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    3. So, what do you suppose this trolling is about?

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    4. It's Corby's way of endorsing her delicious word-salads.

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