SUNDAY: There's something you didn't see in the Times!

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2024

Plus, the Fox News Channel: There's something you didn't see in yesterday's New York Times. 

More specifically, you didn't see it in the paper's news report about the results from a major international math and science test. 

Dana Goldstein's name appears on the news report. Her editor's name does not. 

Familiar language quickly appears. We're quickly offered such troubling words as "dire," "alarming" and "grim:"

U.S. Students Posted Dire Math Declines on an International Test

American students turned in grim results on the latest international test of math skills—adding to a large body of research showing significant academic declines since the Covid-19 pandemic began.

The exam, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, known as TIMSS, was given last year to fourth and eighth graders from dozens of education systems across the globe. The results, released on Wednesday, found that since 2019, American fourth graders have declined 18 points in math, while eighth graders have declined 27 points.

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“This is alarming,” Dr. Carr said. “These are sharp, steep declines.”

As usual, the Times is pretending to care about our public schools. For the record, Dr. Carr is identified as "Peggy Carr, commissioner of the National Center for Education Statistics, part of the federal Department of Education."

Are American students producing grim results in math? We'll provide more detail below. For now, we'll counter with this:

In our view, American journalists are sometimes producing dim results in basic statistical reporting. That's already true in this Times report, where the reader is given no way of know if a decline of 18 points on this particular fourth-grade test is a very large decline or perhaps just a blip on the screen.

Is 18 points a lot or a little? Dr. Carr is cited as the expert; she describes the decline as sharp and steep and alarming. 

That may be true, or it could always be false. As we've often noted, our educational experts have often failed to notice the most obvious facts about the way these matters work.

Back to the New York Times! Along the way, it does tell readers this, doing so in a somewhat ambiguous manner:

Despite the disappointing results, the United States performed slightly above average in math compared with all of its international peers.

That statement strikes us as perhaps a bit fuzzy. With some actual numbers included, here's what it actually means:

Average scores, Grade 4 math, 2023 TIMSS
United States: 517
All participating countries: 503

Even that needs a bit of explication. As we understand it, that lower score (503) is the average of all the average scores compiled by all 63 participating countries—actually, by all 63 participating "educational systems." 

(Fewer nations participate in the TIMSS on the Grade 8 level. For that reason, we'll focus on Grade 4.)

Some of those countries involved in the TIMSS are from the underdeveloped world. Their students often score quite poorly. 

Below, you see the way that U.S. score looks when compared to some comparable nations. We're including Finland because it's long been heralded as a magical land:

Average scores, Grade 4 math, 2023 TIMSS
South Korea: 594
Japan: 591
Great Britain: 552
Finland: 529
Australia: 526
Germany: 524
United States: 517
Canada: 504
France: 484

To see the scores from every nation, you can just click here. Meanwhile, fuller disclosure:

According to the official NCES report, Germany's average score "is not measurably different from the U.S. average score." All the other scores we've listed are said to be "measurably different from the U.S. average score."

In short, Great Britain and Australia outscored our fourth graders. Our fourth graders outscored Canada and France. 

That said, our average score did go down by 18 points as compared to 2019, the last time the TIMSS was given. That's probably a reflection, at least in part, of school closings due to Covid, as the Times report suggests.

That said, consider this:

Along the way, the Times report engages in two acts of "disaggregation." It tells us that U.S. boys scored better than U.S. girls on the TIMSS math tests. It also tells us that scores of U.S. "fourth graders in the 75th percentile and above did not decline since 2019," while scores of "those in the 25th percentile and below declined significantly."

The Times lets us know about our boys as opposed to our girls. It lets us know about our higher-scoring students as opposed to their lower-scoring counterparts.

Below, we'll show you something which goes completely unmentioned.

The additional data included below are in the official NCES report, though you may have to hunt a bit. But the New York Times doesn't mention these embarrassing numbers. As we've noted in the past, it never does:

Average scores, Grade 4 math, 2023 TIMSS
South Korea: 594
Japan: 591
U.S., Asian American kids: 571
Great Britain: 552
U.S., white kids: 543
Finland: 529
Australia: 526
Germany: 524
Canada: 504
U.S., Hispanic kids: 491
France: 484
U.S., black kids: 468
Qatar: 464

Very large gaps exist between those four groups of American kids. To wit:

In Grade 4, our Asian American kids outperformed every European nation. Our white kids outscored magical Finland, but also Sweden and Norway, along with such countries as Australia, Germany, Canada and France.

Our Hispanic kids appear much farther down the scale. Our black kids scored a few points better than Qatar and Bahrain, a few points below North Macedonia.

What can we possibly learn from those disaggregated scores? Also, what can we learn from their exclusion from the New York Times news report?

We'll answer the second question. We can learn that no one actually cares about what happens to black kids in this country. This is a fairly obvious point, a point we've been making at this site for more than twenty years

Why doesn't the New York Times include those scoring patterns in its news report? We'll offer a two-part guess:

The New York Times finds such data embarrassing. Presumably, it thinks its readers will be embarrassed and disconcerted by such data too.

Also, the New York Times may not actually give a flying fig about the lives and the interests of this nation's black and Hispanic kids. And of course, MSNBC's beloved stars aren't likely to be telling you about those data either! 

We Blues! In the aftermath of the shooting deaths of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, and then in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd, we went fully performative for a brief time, displaying our moral greatness.

For a while, we poured it on pretty good! We staged a similar brief performative blast in the short-lived MeToo movement.

We need to get to know ourselves better! For better or worse, that simply isn't what we're like, as we see in the various ways the New York Times (and other orgs) work to avoid discussing the actual state of play within our public schools.

When that Times report was composed, the data were sifted for subscribers' comfort. In fairness, the sifting is utterly clownish at the utterly ludicrous Fox News Channel, whose viewers weren't even permitted to see the actual violent footage from January 6.

We're living inside our Red and Blue bubbles; this widespread practice has produced our modern American Babel. On the level of the corporate owners of our major American orgs, this is the nation we've chosen!

"Dire," the New York Times headline said. Also, "grim" and "alarming!"

Fuller disclosure: To be fair, demographic complexities are often involved in the average scores of other nations too. 

(Sometimes, possibly not. Also, demographic complexities may sometimes affect average scores in ways you might not expect.)

What isn't complex, in any way, are the very large gaps between those different American scores. You'll never read about such things in the Times. Nor are you likely to see this matter talked about anywhere else.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? It's how our world tends to work!

50 comments:


  1. Math is a tool of white supremacy, don't you know that?

    Declined in math is an impressive victory of us, Blues. What an ass Somerby is.

    My uncle was eaten by cannibals! Hard work is good work!

    I am Corby.

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    1. Somerby IS an ass about this stuff. Why does he never discuss reasons for the lower scores of black kids, much less solutions? Corby used to.

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    2. Anonymouse 12:26pm, so you think people reading this blog have to always be told that certain circumstances in minority communities are a result of some hard facts of life in this country? Bob has to issue a “trigger warning”?

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    4. This blog needs a way to alert to spam etc., or a moderator.

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  2. What I’d like to see is a class-based breakdown - What are the scores of rich kids v. middle-class kids v. working class kids v. poor kids?

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    1. It’s there. It is broken down by kids in high vs low percentage number of kids in a school qualified for federal free lunch program. In schools with 10% or less the score for math was 590 compared to 466 for schools with 75% or more qualified for free lunch. So, no surprise.

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  3. Bob: "That's (the drop in US scores) probably a reflection, at least in part, of school closings due to Covid."

    There was no need to shut down our schools for such a long time. Other approaches, such as the Great Barrington, were espoused by a number of reputable doctors, particularly Jay Bhattacharya. But, this approach wasn't even considered. Instead our health establishment waged a dishonest campaign to brand all supporters of the alternative approach as crackpots. Today, it looks like that Great Barrington approach might have worked better. That why I'm glad Bhattacharya will be heading the NIH. He hopefully will restore integrity.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/opinion-jay-bhattacharya-and-the-vindication-of-the-fringe-scientists/ar-AA1v4VQT

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    1. Covid shutdowns were not solely the choice of schools but also of parents. Attendance rates have remained lower, with some districts at 25% absenteeism, after covid. This is more complex than you think.

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    2. The right’s failure to abide by guidelines established by the NIH, spearheaded by media outlets like Fox and your orange Jesus, resulted in hundreds of thousands of unnecessary US deaths. But your dishonest take on it is that the NIH lacks integrity.

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    3. Anonymouse 5:34pm, depends on the guidelines.

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    4. Anonymouse 12:35pm, teachers unions fought like hell to continue remote learning after everything else was opening up.

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    5. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/08/us/teachers-unions-covid-schools.html

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    6. Teachers didn’t want to catch covid? The nerve of them! At least medical staff got protective measures. Kids might not catch covid but they did carry it to others.

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    7. It turns out that sitting in a room facing 30 or so potential vectors of a deadly disease 5/7 days (or multiples of that if you teach high school) isn't particularly appealing. Shocking, that fact.

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  4. Bob's breakdown by race is important. It would also be interesting to see a breakdown between blacks in public schools vs. blacks in private, parochial, and charter schools. That might provide a clue of how to improve black performance.

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    1. Aren’t you going to discuss Jews and Mormons? There are comparisons between charter and public schools but they do not show the improvements you suggest should occur.

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    2. Why don’t you research it yourself, DiC?

      Here are some numbers, courtesy of the naep data tool (Average scale scores for grade 8 mathematics) for 2013 (no private school data was available for 2015 or 2022):
      White, public: 293
      Black, public: 263
      White, private: 301
      Black, private: 270

      As you can see, the average scores were somewhat higher at private schools, but the achievement gaps were identical.

      Public charter schools have lower average scores than regular public schools. In case you’re interested.

      Perhaps you care that this data is collected nationally by the US Dept of Education, that the GOP wants to abolish and Trump wants former professional wrestler and “wrestling” tycoon Linda McMahon to drive into the ground, I mean, administer.

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    3. Thanks very much for the info, @12:43.

      BTW your snark is good, but, of course you know that if the Dept. of Education is abolished it would probably be subsumed into something like the old Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare.

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    4. Anonymouse 12:43pm; “Public charter schools have lower average scores than regular public schools. In case you’re interested.”

      Could this be the reason?

      “U.S. charter school students tend to be more racially and ethnically diverse than those in other types of schools”

      https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/06/us-public-private-and-charter-schools-in-5-charts/sr_24-05-07_schooltypes_4/

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    5. The promise of charter schools was superior student performance. That hasn’t happened.

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    6. Anonymouse 1:36pm, that may be the case, but what are the measurements? Have scores for minority students improved at all?

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    7. @1:46 - Google's your friend, dork.

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    8. @12:31 - Then again, it might not.

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    9. This is Dickead's typical bullshit dishonest way of avoiding having to deal with the latest crazy shit being proposed by the fucking lunatic he worships.

      Oh, don't worry about that crazy thing he says he wants to do, it really is no biggy.

      But you always have to double check Dickhead in Cal for his facts. As a matter of fact, there is no Department of Health, Education and Welfare anymore. Hasn't existed since 1979.

      The U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was a cabinet level agency from 1953 to 1979. It was established by Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1953, effective April 11, 1953. Its mission was to administer federal and federal-state programs in public health, education, and social and economic security. The department was abolished by the Department of Education Organization Act (93 Stat. 695), dated October 17, 1979, and was split into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services.

      Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal.

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    10. Anonymouse 5:46pm, when you make pronouncements and then refuse to provide any reference it reveals that google is certainly NOT your friend.

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    11. Psychotic and foul-mouthed Hillary, aside, what has caused this board to be inhabited by anonymouse scrubs who are one step above anonymouse flying monkeys?

      Is there some new blogging threat to democracy and the pursuit of managerialism that has caused all the regular anonymices to go fight that battle?

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    12. @7:04 please re-read my comment.

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    13. Calling people “Hillary” who are not Hillary, is annoying and an unnecessary distraction from discussing education.

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    14. @9:30, which was your comment?

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    15. Sorry, the comment at 9:30 was from me. My comment was at 12:51. Contrary to @7:04's criticism I didn't say that the Dept. of HEW exists today.

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    16. I've got an idea: instead of saying "something like the old HEW", why don't you man up and tell us the name of the agency you are referring to? Why is that so difficult?

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    17. The next time Dickhead in Cal mans up will be the first time ever. He just pulled this latest out of his ass. A separate Department of Education was created by an Act of Congress. HEW doesn't exist anymore as a result. Now we have HHS soon to be lead by a conspiracy nutcase vaccine denier ex-heroin addict. We have a pro wrestling magnate slated to run the DOE.

      Dickhead in Cal just waves all this off. Oh, don't worry, falalalala, it'll all work out somehow.

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    18. If every idiot-moonbat takes a small piece of the big useless government bureaucracy and shoves it into her ass, perhaps most of the big useless government bureaucracy can be saved for the future generations of idiot-moonbats!

      Just a thought...

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    19. I don't put things in my ass, but I'll put FEMA in my ass if it makes Libertarians cry.

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  5. The Times and other media outlets often prioritize narrative and political correctness over objective reporting.

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    1. “ truth is a commodity that the masses of undifferentiated men cannot be induced to buy”

      — HL Mencken

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  6. Somerby is wrong about the metoo movement. Women care about abuse and are still insisting it be taken seriously. It is why Gaetz withdrew and Hegseth is being condemned. Women vote in higher %s than men, so politicians dare not ignore sexual bad behavior in swing districts. But notice how Somerby includes sexual misbehavior among examples of excess wokeness that the left needs to disavow. Almost like excusing Trump’s rapes or defending Roy Moore and convicted rapist Brock Turner.

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    1. His repeated assertion that #metoo is dead is another bit of evidence that Somerby doesn’t think women deserve respect, regardless of age. Look at the ugly things he said about Stormy, who was Trump’s victim.

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    2. Don’t worry. Cecelia will defend Somerby from his own statements. She doesn’t know the difference between insinuation and self-implication. Somerby can’t help saying nasty things about women because he is a misogynist and a sexist. Those guys tend to think girls are at their peak when underage and adult women want young teens off-limit out of jealousy. How will teens protect themselves from having their lives ruined when abortion is unavailable?

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    3. Anonymouse 10:38pm, the only thing I've observed Bob do is treat women in a condescending and disdainful manner, as he does with men he dislikes. If you find him so terrible, why are you still here? How many commenters would remain if anonymices left?

      When discussing Moore, Bob referenced a time when men in their 30s married teenagers. Why does that conversation upset you? It’s relevant to the culture and mindset. Age gaps between couples were common in various parts of the country, including where Roy Moore is from. There is also a more complex story regarding political strategies used against Moore. These topics are worth exploring on a media-focused blog like TDH. If Bob is simply another misogynist online, then move the hell on. There are surely more important issues for you to address.

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    4. “ How will teens protect themselves from having their lives ruined when abortion is unavailable?”

      Their parents could emphasize that they are too young to have sex and also monitor where they go and who is with them.

      Their parents could take them to the local Health dept and get them a free or low-cost Depo-Vera shot. Their parents could supply them with condoms.

      Abortion is not a means of birth control. It is not a remedy to adult men preying on underage girls. Parents must be involved with their kids.

      Getting pregnant at inconvenient times is something that has happened to women since they first walked the planet. That fact does not make me sorry that abortion was sent back to the states to decide. I suggest that you watch over your teenagers, male and female. That you frequently remind them of the risks. That you rally for a constitutional amendment to Dobbs. That you stop wailing about the unfairness of biology all your life. That you find a way other than angry victimhood to feel empowered.

      As pertains to what you’re really about…i also suggest that you stop putting these issues into the service of slandering Bob by implying that he is a pedophile. You do NOT know if Somerby lusts after young girls and if he does that still stays as being his business and his problem as long as he doesn’t act on it. I suggest that YOU quit being a sad and nasty excuse for a human being and grow the hell up.

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    5. I'd like to see Bob address why the media can't find a Republican voter who isn't a bigot. It's not from a lack of trying.

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    6. It's exhausting, because it's true.

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    7. They're the media, not miracle workers.

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  7. Metoo is over sez Somerby? How about this news?

    “ A new lawsuit accuses rapper and music mogul Jay-Z, whose real name is Shawn Carter, of raping a 13-year-old over two decades ago along with Sean “Diddy” Combs – an accusation the rapper called “idiotic” in a statement on Sunday

    The female accuser is anonymous, identified in the lawsuit only as “Jane Doe,” claimed the alleged assault occurred after she left an MTV Video Music Awards after-party. The lawsuit was filed back in October with the Southern District of New York, but was refiled on Sunday to include Jay-Z.”

    Mediaite

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  8. Races differ in their mathematical aptitudes, so gaps are likely to persist.

    Subjecting members of a race to an expectation that they should "close the gap" in math is one of the cruelest forms of racism and the most beloved by white liberals.

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    1. I'd go with Anonymous if I was making such a racist comment too. Is it because Black people are People of the Sun, happily frolicing around where math wasn't needed like in the frozen North?

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    2. Emjayay, you should have been here during all the arguments for lowering standards at elite NYC bigh schools in order to admit more blacks.

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