THURSDAY, JANUARY 23, 2025
Can you hear them cuckoos hollerin'? At one point, The Stumblebum turned to the silly stuff when he spoke with The Sideman.
It started last night at 9 o'clock Eastern. Can't you "hear them cuckoos hollerin' " when you hear what the two men said?
The question is drawn from the American songbook. Last evening, at 9:14, the sitting president once again cited the (missing) 36 percent:
TRUMP (1/22/25): You know the amazing thing? I'm watching now, now it's time. You know, a few months have passed, and the election is over and you see what happened, and it was a rout. I won all seven swing states. We won by millions in the popular vote—millions! And nobody can even believe some of the numbers...How about with youth? I won youth by 36 points.
So said the sitting president, speaking to the Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity. Hannity tried to change the subject, as he frequently does.
"Nobody can even believe some of the numbers," the sitting president said. Then he cited a number which helps explain why you shouldn't believe what he says:
"I won youth by 36 points," the strange man once again said. For background, see yesterday afternoon's report.
In fairness, the need to rename the Gulf of Mexico went unmentioned last night. Also in fairness, the sitting president did, in fact, win the popular vote by millions (plural) of votes.
(According to the official FEC account, the winning margin was exactly 2.1 million! That isn't a giant number of "millions," but it's "millions" all the same. The winning margin across the nation was 1.48 percent.)
That said, let's be fair! How about the astonishing way this sitting president managed to sweep the youth vote?
I won youth by 36 points, the nutcase once again said. Once again, according to the exit polls, here's the way "youth" voted:
2024 White House election:
Voters 18-24: Candidate Harris 54%, Candidate Trump 43%
Voters 25-29: Candidate Harris 53%, Candidate Trump 45%
Voters 30-39: Candidate Harris 51%, Candidate Trump 45%
According to the exit polls, that's how it went with the younger set. Unless you watched the Fox News Channel last night, in which case you heard a puzzling claim by someone who seems a bit strange.
Is there "something wrong" with this overwrought man? We'll guess that there actually is.
That said, the crackpot claim about the youth vote was accompanied by much more serious claims—for example, by his instant claim, at 9:03 p.m., about the 11,000 "people that murdered" who are now "walking around in our country—"and of them, I think 48%, they say, murdered more than once."
That's what he thinks they say! Hannity tried to move him along. You can see the full exchange for yourself simply by clicking here. Try to avoid the earlier craziness about what can happen to your child when he goes to school as a boy, then comes home two days later turned into a girl.
("There are states where that can happen," the crazy man crazily said.)
That would almost seem to be the claim of a virtual madman. Is there something wrong with this man? In what world would the answer be no?
With respect to the 11,000 murderers, that's what this unusual man said he thinks they say! As with so many versions of this claim, the claim seems to be just basically wrong.
That said, roughly a million factchecks later, our public discourse is completely unable to handle blizzards of claims of this type. Hannity simply let the claim go. Viewers were given no guidance.
Can't you hear them cuckoos hollerin'? The question is found in the American songbook.
For ourselves, we're off to a matinee today—with a friend from far away, to a matinee of A Complete Unknown. We were slated to go last week, but an attack of the labyrinthitis laid us low.
This will likely be our only report for today, but we thought we'd add what follows. Over at the Wall Street Journal, this is more of the way the editors reviewed the sitting president's decision to pardon, or at least to release, everyone convicted of crimes in the January 6 riot.
Again, these are the editors at the Wall Street Journal! Continuing with the text we posted yesterday, they decided to say some names of the people the sitting president has released:
Trump Pardons the Jan. 6 Cop Beaters
Law and order? Back the blue? What happened to that GOP?
[...]
...Mr. Trump tries to wipe Jan. 6 clean, with “a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all other individuals.” The conceit is that there are hundreds of polite Trump supporters who ended up in the wrong place that day and have since rotted in jail.
Out of roughly 1,600 cases filed by the feds, more than a third included accusations of “assaulting, resisting, or impeding law enforcement.”...The rioters who did get jail often were charged with brutal violence, including:
• Daniel Joseph “DJ” Rodriguez, sentenced to 151 months, who can be seen on video, federal prosecutors said, deploying an “electroshock weapon” against a policeman who was dragged out of the defensive line, by “plunging it into the officer’s neck.” The night before, he promised in a MAGA chat group: “There will be blood.”
• William Lewis, given 37 months, “sprayed streams of Wasp and Hornet Killer spray at multiple police officers on four distinct occasions,” forcing several to flee the line and “seek treatment for their eyes.”
• Isreal James Easterday, 30 months, blasted a cop “in the face with pepper spray at point-blank range,” after which the officer “collapsed and temporarily lost consciousness, which enabled another rioter to steal his baton.”
• Thomas Andrew Casselman, 40 months, hit multiple officers “near their faces” with pepper spray. His later internet searches included, “The statute of limitations for assault on a police officer.”
• Curtis Davis, 24 months, punched two police officers in the head. That night he filmed a video of his fist, in which he bragged: “Them knuckles right there, from one of those m— faces at the Capitol.”
• Ronald Colton McAbee, 70 months, hit a cop while wearing “reinforced brass knuckle gloves,” and he held one down on the ground as “other rioters assailed the officer for over 20 seconds,” causing a concussion.
• Michael Joseph Foy, 40 months, brought a hockey stick with a TRUMP 2020 flag attached, which he swung “over his head and downward at police officers as if he were chopping wood.”
There are more like this, which everyone understood on Jan. 6 and shortly afterward. “There is nothing patriotic about what is occurring on Capitol Hill,” one GOP official tweeted. “This is 3rd world style anti-American anarchy.” That was Marco Rubio, now Mr. Trump’s Secretary of State. He was right. What happened that day is a stain on Mr. Trump’s legacy. By setting free the cop beaters, the President adds another.
They didn't even mention Tarrio or Rhodes—the disordered men who actively planned the violence that day.
According to the editors, this: "What happened [on January 6) is a stain on Mr. Trump’s legacy. By setting free the cop beaters, the President adds another."
That's what the editors said; that wasn't us. At this site, we're never happy to see people locked up, but public safety sometimes requires action of that type.
"What happened [on January 6) is a stain on Mr. Trump’s legacy?" We agree with that assessment, but we'd also say that there are quite a few stains on the legacy of Blue America's various tribunes and elites floating around in this deeply dangerous mess.
The sitting president was speaking last night to one of his trusty sidemen. This particular sideman isn't a dope. He's been trying to get the sitting president back on track in a wide array of interviews over the past year or so.
Sean Hannity isn't stupid. That said, the Fox News Channel, on the whole, is the land of the D-minus students. Our own warrens in Blue America tend to be peopled by their superiors—by the C-minus brigade.
Is something wrong with the sitting president? We'd assume that the answer is yes. That said, those of us who would criticize his pardons need to stake a good look at the conduct, over the past sixty years, of large parts of our own Blue American troops:
In our lack of perfect wisdom, we Blues have played an active role in sending him back to the White House.
This weird person wants to rename the gulf. He has a nutty thought in his nutty head about the 36 percent.
Also, he's heard something "he thinks they say" about 11,00 murderers. That claim, along with its variants, has been fact-checked a million times, but on the nation's most-watched "news channel," Hannity simply lets it go.
This is the state of the imitation of discourse within a dying nation.
Is there something wrong with this hollerin' man? We'd assume that the answer is yes.
Is there something wrong with us? This latter possibility is completely unknown—unless you're watching the Fox News Channel, where it's shouted all day long by the corporate employees.
The newly aggressive Dana Perino is part of the D-minus gang. So are the bulk of the other Fox News Channel employees.
That said, they managed to eke out a narrow win last year, by less than 1.5 points. According to him, he won in a rout. It was a landslide, the employees have constantly said.
As for ourselves right here at this site, this is the best we can manage today. We'll be back on schedule tomorrow—but for the record, we don't see an obvious way out of this deeply dangerous mess.
Can you hear them cuckoos hollerin'? Do you have a TV set?
Rat-fuckers be rat-fucking.
ReplyDeleteNo good decent person votes for Republicans.
ReplyDeleteAnd nobody can even believe some of the numbers...How about with youth? I won youth by 36 points.
ReplyDeleteDiC will explain this slight exaggeration and how it really reveals a deeper truth which he understands perfectly. Won't you Dickhead?
Per usual, DiC will lie, and free of charge DiC will throw in lies about who he is, what he does, who is family members are, in a sadly misguided attempt to provoke someone, anyone to pay attention to him.
DeleteThis does not make him unique, DiC’s behavior is the norm as a standard, run of the mill, rank and file Republican.
I pay attention to David, and I believe what he says about himself.
DeleteI believe David, and I believe everything Trump says too.
DeleteAnd even if they do tell lies, it’s clever strategery, don’t misunderestimate the power of lies.
No one in his right mind posts details about his family on the internet. Too many cranks and weirdos would target them. That's why I think David in Cal is lying about his family.
DeleteTypical of Republicans, lacking integrity is a feature, not a bug.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:53pm, anonymices ought to know. At one point an anonymouse got in touch with a columnist— writer of some sort— who David had identified as his cousin. Weirdos, yes.
DeleteFor several years, Lizzie has been working on a book about her mother's forebears. It's almost complete. This will be a family history of a black family.
DeleteAI advice about how to identify when you are talking to a bot instead of a person:
Delete"If you notice that the “person” you're speaking to or chatting with keeps returning to the same recommendation or solution no matter what you say, you might be dealing with a bot."
This clearly applies to David in Cal.
David, how wonderful. I know you’re proud of her.
DeleteDavid, Cecelia has promised to buy the first 500 copies, to help her get on the bestseller list. Note however that this is not the same as promising to read the book.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:36pm, some jealousy as to insulting the author, huh?
DeleteDavid, ask your author cousin if you can narrate the audible version. THAT would be exciting!
Those who know David's relative well also know that she was born a deaf-mute and cannot speak. The cruelty of suggesting that she narrate an audio book is noted, Cecelia-bot.
DeleteAnonymouse3:53pm, so you’re assuming that I know David’s relative well (you must know people well before you can ascertain that they are deaf and mute…) and that this makes me an immortal bot
DeleteThe brilliance of anonymices never wanes.
Cecelia seems to be assuming that if she cannot reason then she cannot be a bot. The problem is that the first AI passed the Turing Test by deliberately introducing spelling errors into its replies. The judges reasoned that a bot would spell perfectly and were fooled into thinking the bot was a human. I won't make that same mistake with Cecelia-bot. Also, wane is the wrong word to talk about a person's brilliance decreasing. It is an odd word choice that suggests she is either majorly undereducated (and a non-reader) or a non-native speaker.
DeleteCute the way Cecelia-bot protects herself by saying she doesn't know David's relative "well", just in case she is a deaf-mute, when it is obvious to a human that she is being ribbed.
DeleteThis comment has been removed by the author.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:31pm, “relatively WELL ” was the anonymouse’s drscription.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:29pm and 4:31pm, call me a bot (a boy bot…) till the cows come home. You anonymices are certainly not bots. Only anonymices are silly enough to characterize a computer program as being immoral and hateful and cruel. And then scold it!
You are definitely not bots. You’re ridiculous, pretentious, malign and not very bright. You are anonymices.
Name calling is not discussion.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:14pm, what efforts anonymices must have made to get in touch with David’s deaf and mute cousin. Horrifying.
DeleteCommunicating with individuals with disabilities is horrifying? No wonder Trump is trying to dismantle govt job protections for the differently abled. Spoken like the Republican asshole you are.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:59pm, you weren’t “communicating” you were snooping.
DeleteNo, I made it all up. You would have known that instantly if you knew anything yourself.
DeleteAnonymouse 8:26pm, oh, that’s better….
Deletesheesh…. You’re award winning creepy.
Don’t pretend to know someone you don’t know.
DeleteSomerby’s buyer’s remorse is hilarious.
ReplyDeleteMUSK CAN TAKE HIS DISGUSTING COLD SORE AND FUCK HIMSELF IN THE FACE AND GIVE HIMSELF HERPES ALL OVER HIS BODY.
ReplyDeleteGOD WILL NOW TEST MUSK’S FAITH SINCE MUSK HAS SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL.
WILL MUSK REPENT? OR WILL MUSK KEEP STEALING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO MAKE ROCKETS WITH ZERO PAYLOAD THAT BLOW UP INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO REACH ORBIT AND FULL SELF DRIVING CARS THAT SELF DRIVE INTO PEDESTRIANS BEFORE SELF IGNITING?
LORD JESUS SAVE US FROM THE DEVIL AND SEND TRUMP AND MUSK TO A RETREAT IN THAT LAKE OF FIRE!
The Bishop at the National Prayer Service ahead of Trump's inauguration tried to shame Trump into showing kindness and mercy, as Jesus instructed. Instead, Trump mocked her and Comey threatened her with deportation, never mind that she is a citizen born in the USA. Trump has no fear of God, no love of Jesus and he mocks the meek. He will get his, because such people do not wind up in heaven. Trump is showing us how NOT to be a human being. That is an important lesson for the dark times upon us.
DeleteI have the same haircut as the Bishop, which is now being called a "lesbian haircut" by the right. Is there something wrong with short hair? Does this signal that women must all wear long hair now or be questioned about their sexuality and perhaps targeted as gay? Short hair is so much easier to care for, but is there going to be a new decree that all women must look like country singers or Fox bimbos? Dark times are ahead.
DeleteWomen with short hair are sexy.
DeleteMen with long hair are cool.
The Republican cohort is filled with latent homosexuals (they crashed Grindr last year during the RNC convention) and sexual predators. These are abused and wounded people who reject our innate human nature (homosexuality is normal and natural, as is our communal inclination) and endorse a might is right worldview.
They seem weirdly fascinated by dicks that aren’t undersized.
As a result, Republicans get squeamish about people of color, women, vaginas, sex, etc. Yuck gross, they say.
Vote a serial rapist for president? Sign me up, they say.
Anon@1:31 -- Love your analysis!
Delete"Is there "something wrong" with this overwrought man? We'll guess that there actually is. "
ReplyDeleteThis sentence applies equally to Somerby. Trump is lying about his election results. That is nothing new. Somerby takes the time to examine the figures. Why? It is a waste of his time and our time too. Somerby could be talking about so many other things but those apparently don't concern him. Why not? The only answer to that question is that there is something wrong with Somerby himself.
Republicans are hell bent on….
Delete…destroying America in order to benefit…
Delete…whistling his same dumb tune…
Delete…without a sincere, coherent, or genuine…
Delete…care in the world.
DeleteSomerby, you mad bro?
Anonymouse 12:27pm, Bob’s dolorous. You’re mad, bro.
DeleteOoooh lookee, Cecelia's trying to use bigger words to impress the trolls complaining that she doesn't know English -- but she's making herself look ridiculous in the process.
DeleteThe word dolorous is generally applied to songs, not people. The word applied to people is depressed. Yet Somerby was sounding happy about going to see A Complete Unknown with his friend from out-of-town. Maybe Cecelia-bot cannot tell when humans are happy or unhappy?
"Hannity simply let the claim go."
ReplyDeleteOf course he did. Trump and Hannity are BFFs. Why would Somerby expect anything else? There is something wrong with Somerby when he thinks this is reporting. Earth to Somerby -- Fox News is in Trump's pocket, always has been and always will be. What else is new?
"That's what the editors said; that wasn't us. At this site, we're never happy to see people locked up, but public safety sometimes requires action of that type."
ReplyDeleteThe Wall Street Journal lists some of the violent protesters that Trump has pardoned, but Somerby feels the need to distance himself from that news! These ARE the violent ones, the ones who violated public safety on J6. Somerby cannot bring himself to agree they should be in jail, because he apparently believes in police but not in prison, even for those committing violence in the course of impeding the peaceful transfer of power after an election.
The is something wrong with Somerby.
If we followed Somerby’s “reasoning”, Blacks would still be slaves, and Jews wouldn’t exist.
DeleteIn other words, pretty much the Republican platform.
And women wouldn't have the vote, or jobs.
Delete"They didn't even mention Tarrio or Rhodes—the evil racists who actively planned the violence that day."
ReplyDeleteFTFY
Remember that troll that cried a river because Biden as candidate asked Twitter to remove pictures of his son’s penis (Republicans love to ogle other people’s penises, particularly ones that are not undersized like their own), and as President asked Twitter to remove public health misinformation that was causing unnecessary American deaths? Remember that loser that got it wrong about how the Supreme Court was going to decide against Biden in those cases?
ReplyDeleteWhere is that troll now? Now that Musk, the owner of a major media platform and one of the largest recipients of government contracts and subsidies, has paid to elect Trump, paid to be part of Trump’s admin, is dictating orders to Trump, is censoring his critics, is funding and saluting Nazis and fascists all over the world, and has an office in the White House?
He’s hanging out with fellow troll and disgraced “journalist” Matt Taibbi, back benching and monkey dancing for coins and bananas.
DeleteSomerby says: " "What happened [on January 6) is a stain on Mr. Trump’s legacy?" We agree with that assessment, but we'd also say that there are quite a few stains on the legacy of Blue America's various tribunes and elites floating around in this deeply dangerous mess."
ReplyDeleteHere Somerby attempts to equate (hold as equal, both-sides) the violence on J6 with things presumably said by Blue America's tribunes and elites. What did anyone in Blue America say about J6 that was as bad as what these dangerous people (and Trump himself) did on J6? Somerby doesn't say, but he clearly wants us to believe that if Red America did bad stuff, so did Blue America. How? By winning the election perhaps? Biden did that, fair and square -- no evidence has ever been presented that he didn't. Is Somerby now an election denier? Or was it the impeachment and investigation that Somerby is referring to? Lots of Red American tribines and elites condemned Trump's actions and a few even joined the proceedings, the ones with honor and love of country. The rest slunk away to support Trump's attempted treason. Somerby today appears to side with them against Blue America, which he holds to be equal in its rotten acts to what MAGA did on J6 and thereafter, trying to subvert our electoral process.
This is why we needed to try Trump for his role in J6. Somerby feels he can now dismiss it all as equivalent to the attempts of Blue America to hold Trump accountable. The public needed to hear what Trump did, in court under oath, so that he could not weasel out of it, as Somerby today attempts to do.
Something is very wrong with Somerby. It is so wrong that it makes whatever he writes here too unreliable to pay attention to, too craven to deserve our attention. Is Somerby pre-surrendering, trying to keep his job as a propagandist in the face of the coming purge? That's what this looks like to me.
Those who were on the J6 Commission are now receiving a flood of death threats. Are they coming from those pardoned or from rank and file MAGAs? Is this a coordinated terror campaign from the right, attempting to silence dissent by the left (or center, for that matter)?
DeleteIt seems obvious that Biden's pardon of those on the J6 Commission was needed, else they would be targeted in other ways by Trump's administration. Is it right that politicians and govt workers should be targeted for doing their jobs? Somerby doesn't say anything about that.
There is something wrong with Somerby that he always seems to identify with the wrong people.
We are supposed to believe that Somerby is now waking up to the fact that asymmetry exists, that elections are always about lesser evil/harm reduction?
ReplyDeleteBrother, please.
It’s a con.
"Is there something wrong with us? This latter possibility is completely unknown—unless you're watching the Fox News Channel, where it's shouted all day long by the corporate employees."
ReplyDeleteNo, not all of us. There is nothing wrong with the left. We clearly see what is coming and are spending all day now warning the public about Trump's coming bad acts (now in progress).
For example, Trump has halted NIH health research grants and activities. Did you expect that? Did Somerby warn you about it? Crickets from Somerby. Trump has stopped all DEI programs and set up a hotline for tips turning in those engaging in fairness or inclusiveness for minorities. But did you know they are also rolling back programs designed to give disabled people a chance to work? Did Somerby tell you about that? Crickets from Somerby. Civil rights are apparently being dismantled for not just minorities but also disabled people and, of course, women. And this is only Day four. And there are farmworkers being deported already. Look for vegetable prices to soar. Did Somerby warn you about that? Crickets from Somerby. He only cares that Trump is bragging about the youth vote and that Hannity is treating Trump exactly the way he has always treated him -- with kid gloves. Except now everyone will be doing that. Did Somerby tell you that?
There is something wrong with Somerby. It is as if he were studying the Storm Trooper roles when he read Anne Frank's diary, not the "how to survive in an authoritarian state that is targeting YOU" part of her book.
Trump before the election: I will end Russia’s invasion of Ukraine the day I am inaugurated
ReplyDeleteTrump before his inauguration: I will end the war in Ukraine on Day One, I am a genius deal-maker
Trump after the inauguration: uh, hey Putin, cut that stuff out, I mean, ‘cause if you don’t, I’m gonna….I’m gonna…gonna sanction you
Trump staff: psst we already are doing that, Biden did that already
Trump: oh ok, well Putin, I will charge you with tariffs, then you’ll see
Trump staff: psst that’s not how tariffs work, and we already don’t buy stuff from Russia. Also Putin is laughing his ass off at us for our empty threats. Hey you know what your 5 Big Macs have arrived, how about a bite to eat?
"As for ourselves right here at this site, this is the best we can manage today. We'll be back on schedule tomorrow—but for the record, we don't see an obvious way out of this deeply dangerous mess."
ReplyDeleteNever was a more obvious statement made. The way out of this mess is to stop maligning those who are opposing Trump (i.e., Blue America) and start emulating those who are decrying and resisting attempts to impose autocracy on America. Start caring about what is happening to the people, especially the ones being targeted by Trump's administration. Start with the Haitians, for example. Defending them would be a nice change from defending Red America and those J6 criminals including all the ones who never got their day in court because Trump won (with Somerby's help).
It occurs to me that Somerby might understand the world better if he stopped watching so much TV and instead read articles on his computer. Why would he waste so much time on Fox when they are just saying wrong things over and over? Sort of like what Somerby does here, except with a smaller audience. If Somerby cares, there are many things he could be doing, none of which seem to be occurring to him today. For one thing, he could stop telling lies about Blue America.
But there is something wrong with Somerby that seems to prevent him from seeing clearly who are the bad guys in the mess. Hint: Trump's name shouldn't have a $ in it.
Today I learned on this blog that Trump is given to exaggeration and throws out figures that show up somewhere, somehow but it's up to us to figure it out.
ReplyDeleteThat 11,000 figure includes migrants (legal and not) now in jail for committing crimes in the US, but it is for the span of 20 years, not a current figure. Somerby could have explained that and then you would know more. Instead, he spreads the 11,000 disinformation further than Trump was originally reaching (Fox's audience) and leaves his readers in just as much confusion as Trump himself did. This is what Somerby always does. Would it hurt him to clear up an occasional Trump mess?
DeleteThere is something wrong with Somerby. He thinks it is necessary to explain that Trump didn't win the youth vote by 36% but he won't clear up misinformation about criminality among migrants. That almost suggests that Somerby hates migrants and wouldn't say anything nice about them if his life depended on it (or their lives did). That is what bigotry looks like.
Republicans don’t like immigrants coming here on their own volition but many seem just fine if corporations went to other countries and rounded up “workers” and shipped them over here.
ReplyDeleteWait…didn't we try that already? Did that work out ok?
If memory serves, the first Republican president took issue with that.
We’ve come a long way, baby.
Or not.
If Trump isn't careful, he is going to ruin the US tourism industry. Who wants to visit Disneyland only to be met by thugs and put on a plane back to Europe?
DeleteThere is no way out because Blue America has no credibility with voters. They have lost their power which was located in control of all elite institutions and censorship, both formal and informal.
ReplyDeleteThe public identified the corruption in those institutions and credibility gave way to skepticism which gave way to reflexive rejection of "experts" asserting themselves.
The backward institutions earned their ruin, held off for a time by now stale and laughable Hollywood depictions of their ideal forms. Now corrections are made in real time on social media and without censorship leftists can no longer lie their way into power.
There is a circle of ideologues still jerking off to "Elon did a Nazi salute" while the country goes about the business of eradicating the destruction and influence of the unhinged Democrat children we tolerated for too long.
Yes, all those doctors doing research on how to cure cancer messed up by controlling everything everywhere. Stopping research was so important to Trump that he has done it on Day 3 of his first week in office!
DeletePlease stay disciplined and do not feed the trolls.
DeleteThe right wing trolls slept in this morning, but now they are going to make up for lost time, apparently.
DeleteNot feeding trolls doesn't work. Ignoring them doesn't work. They are bots or paid operatives on troll farms and they aren't going to be discouraged by lack of reinforcement because their motives aren't human. It IS important to contradict their misinformation and I hope people will continue to do that wherever these sorts of trolls spread their filth.
DeleteWhy comment on trolls? If you do not, then readers who oppose Trump will feel more isolated and underestimate the strength of resistance to Trump's cruelty and corruption. Being visible in opposition to Trump is important to the mental health of this country, if not to you (@11:54).
Ignoring trolls is surrendering in advance.
Anonymices, you do not own their site. The man who does own it is open to allowing anyone to comment on his site. He is not a dictator and is even generous to the complete dolts who constantly repeat “There’s something wrong with Bob”. You do not run this site. It does not belong to you, and if it did, you would censor and remove those who disagree with you. But you tyrants are not in control here, and all your insults toward Bob does not change that fact. So, instead of acting like you run the joint, try to move past your inflated sense of self-importance and pull your nasty panties out of your nasty cracks. And just so you know, the only trolls here are anonymices.
Delete12:56 you make fair points but on this subject you are somewhat off the mark.
DeleteStudies show ignoring trolls is effective. I’ve posted links to studies before.
You can counteract Trump and his supporters through your own comments, without responding to trolls, which, again, is effective.
And I responded to you before. It depends on the trolls' motives whether ignoring them works or not. A bot isn't being reinforced by responses, so it doesn't matter whether you ignore them or not. A paid troll in a troll farm is being reinforced by payments by his employer, not by responses online. Many online trolls are reinforced by seeing their own statements appear on the screen, not by the responses of others. They feel important the minute their message appears, so there is no way to stop reinforcing them. You are misapplying learning theory to situations where it cannot apply.
DeleteI did once try for myself to see whether stopping reinforcement of trolls made any difference in their comments. It didn't. But you be you. You are welcome to stop chiding those of us who respond to trolls, to see if our comments become less frequent.
Those studies concern malignant individuals who go onto Facebook and blogs to make off-topic mocking and hateful remarks to people going about their business there. That was before the internet became the domain of politicized campaigning by paid and organized partisan trolls spreading misinformation and propaganda. Those trolls do not have the same motives as the isolated individuals with narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies who were seeking and rewarded by negative attention and entertained themselves by creating an uproar. Political trolls have far different goals. The appearance of some political message serves its purpose when it appears for others to read. There is no further reinforcement needed by them.
DeleteBut you’re not a bot nor a troll, and my comments can and do often influence you, which is a good thing - your comments influence and educate me. Your logic is a little inconsistent on this subject.
DeleteTrolls/bots likely are rewarded by the number of responses they generate.
And sure, studies can be wrong, for example, studies particularly in the “softer” side of psychology can have significant issues with reproducibility. (Don’t shoot the messenger!)
Your stance appears to be recalcitrant, so I’ll leave it at that. Your comments are too valuable to risk much rocking of the boat.
There’s something wrong with Bob.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:02pm, in a good kind of way.
Deletewrong definition: 1. "not correct or true; incorrect", 2. "unjust, dishonest, or immoral"
DeleteNone of this is good. Those who support wrongness are themselves not good either.
No, it’s all good,
DeleteSee, that is what separates liberals from conservatives (and humans from bots). They define bad as good, not up as down, then they call us "satan".
DeleteAs usual, your comments are spot on and leveling up the combox quality.
DeleteJust a small quibble: you should end your sentences with a period.
Feed the trolls their own words. Like a mama bird feeding her babies.
DeleteAccording to Peter Greene at Curmudgucation, Trump's Acting Homeland Security Secretary has authorized immigration policy permitting police and agents to conduct immigration raids in schools. Further, Trump's DOJ plans to go after any state or local officials who get in the way of deportations.
ReplyDeleteGreene asks "...who will be the first building principal or classroom teacher to get thrown in jail for trying to obstruct an attempt to drag a seven year old child out of school for deportation..." He says "I'm seeing teachers talk about new district policies -- what if a student gets home from school and discovers that their parents have been deported? Families and school authorities are scrambling to deal with the various possible ugly outcomes of a deliberately cruel policy..."
Apparently, Trump and his advisors believe that if they are horrible to immigrants, they will self-deport or not come at all. That is the way sociopaths reason.
Somerby used to care about schools and young children. Now there is something wrong with Somerby. This doesn't even seem to be on his radar while he discusses how much of the "youth vote" Trump won.
https://curmudgucation.substack.com/p/immigration-arrests-at-school
I am close to several persons teaching and admin at Northern Virgina public schools. They are already being warned they cannot interfere with ICE barging into the schools to grab kids out of the classroom. This is what these maggot fuckers voted for.
Delete10 Things you can do to resist Trump, by Robert Reich:
ReplyDelete1. Protect the undocumented in your community
2. Protect LGBTQ+ members of your community
3. Protect officials in your community or state who are being targeted for vengeance by Trump
4. Participate in or organize boycotts of companies advertising on Fox and/or supporting Trump and Musk
5. Fund groups that are litigating against Trump (American Civil Liberties Union, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics, Center for Biological Diversity, Environmental Defense Fund, and Common Cause)
6. Spread the truth. Get news through reliable sources, and spread it. If you hear anyone spreading lies and Trump propaganda, including local media, contradict them with facts and their sources.
7. Urge friends, relatives, and acquaintances to avoid Trump propaganda outlets such as Fox News, Newsmax, X, and, increasingly, Facebook and Instagram.
8. Push for progressive measures in your community and state
9. Encourage worker action (labor unions)
10. Keep the faith. Do not give up on America. Remember, Trump won the popular vote by only 1.5 points. By any historical measure, this was a squeaker.
Don't give up.
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/what-you-can-do
I will add my own suggestion:
Don't waste your time on blogs like this one. Read the many important independent media sources vocally opposing and resisting Trump. Subscribe if you can afford it. Perhaps start with Reich's substack essays.
“Don't waste your time on blogs like this one. Read the many important independent media sources vocally opposing and resisting Trump. Subscribe if you can afford it. Perhaps start with Reich's substack essays.”
DeleteAnonymices have gotten some good advice from Mr. Reich’s agent. By all means, heed it.
Reich says “ Urge friends, relatives, and acquaintances to avoid Trump propaganda outlets such as Fox News, Newsmax, X, and, increasingly, Facebook and Instagram.”
DeleteI say we should urge friends and relatives to read all sources and think for themselves.
Somerby says he started out a liberal but he has obviously been red-pilled by Fox. Too many people were brainwashed into joining Q-Anon and Alex Jones via the gateway of Fox News. Do not send anyone you care about to Fox. Pretending Fox is a news source is like pretending scientology is a church.
DeleteCecelia, you are misattributing my statement to Reich. I am sure he would like more subscriptions but he wasn't making a pitch for his blog -- I was.
DeleteReich is cool, for a center left person. The world would be a much better place if Hillary had stuck with Reich instead of running off with Bill and promoting their disastrous Third Way neoliberalism.
DeleteStudies show that Fox News viewers are badly misinformed, but that when they switch to watching CNN for just a month, they become better informed.
Dickhead in Cal says: I never watch Fox News
DeleteDickhead in Cal says: Reich is wrong to tell people to avoid Fox News.
Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal.
Anonymouse 12:05pm, I take that under advisement and the managerial class treatise for hanging on is heady stuff.
DeleteAh, there’s the word salad I’ve been waiting for!
DeleteWith lunacy now confirmed I can go about my business.
Anonymouse 2:44pm, uh un. Put back all those saltines packs you stole.
DeleteThis kind of remark makes me think Cecelia is a bot. There is a lame play on "salad" but otherwise no content to her response to 2:44, who may be a bot too, for the same reasons (a bit of name-calling). Do we have a sequence of one-line comments by bots filling up the blog comments? I wouldn't be surprised. In my experience, bot comments often violate rules of linguistic pragmatics between humans. Perhaps that is because they cannot do any better, being machine-generated.
DeleteGrice formulated the idea that communication using language is cooperative. Based on that he formulated these principles:
Quality: Be truthful and accurate.
Quantity: Provide the right amount of information, not too much or too little.
Relevance: Stay on topic and contribute relevant information.
Manner: Be clear, concise, and avoid ambiguity.
Trolls rarely conform to these, mainly because their comments lack meaning, are off-topic, are not truthful nor accurate, provide no useful information. Cecelia especially, because of her own language deficiencies, but others as well.
Another commenter is suggesting that we ignore the trolls here, but first we have to identify who they are. These criteria might be a step in that direction.
Apologies for violating the length rule.
Anonymouse 3:15pm, go with your instincts, kiddo. They’re impeccable.
DeleteDavid in Cal,
DeleteWill you call for Trump's impeachment because he and Putin want a completely inexperienced idiot to run the Department of Defense, or are you okay with it, because the completely inexperienced idiot isn't black?
Asking for everyone who knows you are nothing but a typical Right-wing bigot.
"FLORENCE, COLORADO (The Borowitz Report)—In a bid for a presidential pardon, Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán claimed on Thursday that he had participated in the Capitol insurrection on January 6, 2021.
ReplyDeleteThe imprisoned drug lord did not explain how he managed to appear in DC for the riot, saying only, “As a felon, I ask President Trump to pardon me out of professional courtesy.”
Vowing that he was ready to turn over a new leaf, he asserted, “If pardoned, I promise to stop selling drugs and will focus on crypto.”
In his closing argument, El Chapo acknowledged he was a controversial figure but added, “I’m not some total maniac like Hegseth.”
https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/el-chapo-claims-he-was-jan-6-rioter
It seems very unfair to pardon some drug dealers but not others.
Somerby would support this. He thinks Republican violent thugs are to be pitied not go to prison.
Ha!
DeleteSomerby, thumb, scale.
ReplyDeleteRinse, repeat.
Ignorance ain’t gonna manufacture itself.
DeleteMy day feels a little off without being able to read the right wing trolls’ word salads, non sequiturs, and malapropisms tinged with anti-semitism, racism, and sexism, in their bizarre effort to kill off this obnoxious right wing vanity blog.
ReplyDeleteI’ll just have to cope.
As many actually care about Trump
ReplyDeleteoverstating his support by young voters as care about January 6, which is to say no one.
Neither are important events.
Trump is going to make ignoring Republican voters mandatory.
DeleteSomerby's strange resonse to J6 and the pardoning even of violent criminals participating in the attempted coup is being echoed by Republicans in Congress.
ReplyDeleteJeff Tiedrich describes their reactions when questioned by the press about Trump's pardons and the crimes committed on Jan 6:
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/gop-hit-by-amnesia-ray-from-outer
I get it that Trump would want to pardon his henchmen carrying out Trump's instructions to keep him from transitioning peacefully to Biden's term, but why would Somerby think it is important to disappear their crimes and minimize what happened?
Somerby is clearly wrong with Somerby.
"Michele Bachmann: “it was like a prayer meeting on Jan. 6 in DC. people were preaching the gospel.”
Deleteyeah, no. the only people praying on Jan. 6 were elected officials reaching out to the deities of their choice, and begging to have their lives spared."
Democrats unanimously voted against a requirement of rendering medical assistance to someone who survives after a doctor’s unsuccessful attempt to kill her.
ReplyDeleteWe are not the same.
Typo correction: We are not the sane
DeleteFTFY
"President Donald Trump, who made baseless attacks against FEMA during his 2024 campaign, suggested on Wednesday night that he wants to defund the Homeland Security emergency management agency and shift the burden for disaster relief to individual states. The move would revoke federal responsibility for managing crises like hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding, and wildfires. While his remarks appear to align with The Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025, he appears to have gone further in appointing an interim FEMA head who reportedly “does not appear to have experience coordinating responses to large scale disasters.”
ReplyDeleteBy David Badash at thenewcivilrightsmovement.com
Remember what happened the last time a Republican president appointed an underqualified FEMA Director? Hint: He bungled the response to Katrina.
https://scalawagmagazine.org/2023/11/hurricane-katrina-disaster-preparedness/
It is especially unkind to make this kind of announcement while the LA area is still fighting large wildfires (most recently, the Hughes fire that started on Wed). I suppose Trump believes that it makes sense to defund ALL states disaster response in order to hurt the blue states, but recall that hurricanes occur in red states and tornados occur in red states and flooding occurs in mostly red states along the rivers that run through that area. How will Republicans react when they realize they have no money and no help from Trump's govt?
We Dems though Trump's maligning of FEMA before the election might shift votes after the hurricane-related flooding and destruction of homes, but Trump managed to blame Dems because Biden was in charge of FEMA then. Perhaps Trump believes that worsening natural disasters cannot be addressed without spending money, so he is going to shift the respose ad the blame onto states. But that means red states too. Has he perhaps not thought things through?
They haven’t thought it through.
DeleteBlue states fund red states, the red states where Republicans laze around parasitically living off Blue states.
Californians would love to join Canada as a province, it would instantly make Canada the number one economy in the world, above the US. The US would become irrelevant, with its elections of fascistic leaders; the world would move on, progressing with peace, and people would actually experience joy again.
Republicans are commemorating J6 by sending death threats to the J6 Commission. Somerby seems to think that the J6 convictions are for non-violent people but that is belied by these threats (not to mention the acts that got them convicted). This is Trump's way of threatening all of us, his way of reminding us that he can turn the Coast Guard into his personal gestapo if we citizens get out of line. Somerby should be ashamed to be furthering that with his essay today.
ReplyDeleteSomerby dispensed with caring about shame, hypocrisy, and integrity eons ago.
DeleteBut here you are, not only trying to impugn Bob night and day, but brainstorming ways to countermand the people who enjoy reading and commenting on a blog that isn’t yours to control.
DeleteThat’s the essence of a troll. That’s the veritable definition of a squatter. In the case of anonymices, it’s piracy.
Mmmmm.
DeleteCecelia doesn't understand that I have been arguing in favor of NOT ignoring the trolls. Most of the substantive comments here come from anonymous commenters.
Deletesubstantive definition: "having a firm basis in reality and therefore important, meaningful, or considerable"
These are the kinds of comments Cecelia never makes, despite having her own unverifiable nym.
squatter definition: "a person who unlawfully occupies an uninhabited building or unused land"
There is nothing unoccupied or uninhabited about these blog comments, with or without Cecelia. It is typical that she doesn't know the actual meanings of the words she uses. Most Russian trolls don't know the nuances of English. She no doubt means that other commenters don't have the authority to tells anyone to stay or go, but that isn't what the discussion of reinforcing trolls was about. It was about whether any of us should respond to Cecelia's blather. She would know that if she spoke English.
Typical of right wingers like Cecelia to come here and try to suppress other people's opinions by accusing them of piracy. Are we about to be prosecuted by the DOJ for internet comments? This might be a good time for everyone to switch to being anonymous.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:48pm, I replied to the comment above my post. You’re anonymous. Please explain how I can identify you from the anoymices you were arguing with. Also explain how it is that you were arguing with other anonymices as to engaging trolls, but don’t don’t acknowledge my statement that such a stance against the blogger, and against communicating with other commenters who defend him, is the essence of a hostile takeover, as well as a comical level of self-importance.
DeleteYour comical sense of self importance knows no bounds, Cecelia. You have appointed yourself comment police, you engage in ad hominem attacks, and you actively try to suppress these commenters. Your smugness is boundless; you defend Trump and the GOP despite Somerby for years opining that Trump is severely disordered, a sociopath. How’s that for tribal thinking?
DeleteAnonymouse 2:51pm, what you want is piracy. It is squatting. It’s like going into a house party, insulting the home owner/host, ignoring all the other guests, reprogramming the music, and throwing the snacks.
DeleteThe only thing you can’t do is to lock everyone else out, but you would if you could,
Anonymouse 3:17pm, I’m afraid countering you is not the same as countermanding you. That’s what YOU wish to do to others. Anonymices are discussing whether they should talk to people who disagree with them (“trolls”) or just ignore them and stick with tearing down the blogger unimpeded by any dissent.
DeleteGet your own blog.
Ooooh, Cecelia got triggered! And she still has nothing to say.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:32pm, your contrarians have plenty to say. That’s why anonymices are discussing non-engagement.
DeleteOne anonymous is discussing non-engagement. The others are arguing in favor of engagement.
DeleteAnonymouse 3:37pm, thanks. One anonymouse for nonengagement, two to three against, so that would be two anonymouse stalwarts, one consistent little groupie, and one newbie who is and out.
DeleteThe above is me. Hit the down-drop thing.
DeleteWe could have told it was you. Several of your sentences make no sense.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:00pm, no, fooling you.
DeleteMisplaced comma, but thanks for the effort.
DeleteAnonymouse 4:05pm, I found it - ,
DeleteThe best comma is Kamala.
DeleteWithout a doubt. She put the ala in Comma La.
DeleteHa-Ha-Ha Cecelia. Drink!
DeleteOne of Trump's EOs has reversed the lower drug prices for Medicare and Medicaid recipients recently enacted by Biden. How does that help anyone?
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong with you, don't you have a large equity stake in big pharma?
DeleteHere is how the violent J6 criminals got pardoned along with the non-violent ones (from Axios via Jeff Tiedrich):
ReplyDelete"here’s a fun story: there was apparently some kind of effort by Donny’s [Trump] people to weed out the most-violent of the insurrectionists and deny them pardons. Team Donny brought all the paperwork into the Oval Office and sat down to hash it out — but Team Donny forgot all about the part where presidenting is hard and Dear Leader has the attention span of a coked-up squirrel. Donny spent about seventeen seconds listening to them talk, and then basically got bored.
“Trump just said: ‘F*** it: Release ‘em all,’” an adviser familiar with the discussions told the Axios."
Somerby no doubt admires that kind of decisiveness.
Stupidity from a NYTiimes "conservative". Bret Stephens wrote "Why aren’t more Republican senators opposed to Pete Hegseth’s nomination as secretary of defense, particularly in light of new allegations, delivered in a sworn affidavit this week by his former sister-in-law, of excessive drinking and “abusive” behavior in his second marriage?
ReplyDelete"The obvious answer is party loyalty."
No. The obvious answer is that Hegseth's ex-wife, the alleged victim of the supposed abusive behavior, has specifically denied the allegation.
No, there is a lot more on-the-record evidence beyond his ex-wife's recantation supporting the accusations against Hegseth. When a man threatens or pays off a woman who is testifying against him, that doesn't make him innocent of the charges. The question is why Republican senators would vote for this guy, not whether Hegseth is a lush.
Deleteuh oh, Dickhead has spied another RINO working at the NYTimes. Purge him I say, PURGE HIM!!!! HE IS NOT LOYAL TO THE ORGANCE QUEEN.
DeleteWould it make any difference to you, Dickhead, if the stories of his alcohol abuse and violence towards women was true? Fuck no, so just shut the fuck up and enjoy the destruction of everything you hate about this country.
DeleteHegseth is innocent, and he’s well qualified to be Secretary of Defense.
DeleteThe most important thing is how well Hegseth will do the job. Lloyd Austin didn't cheat on his wife, but his bad leadership did enormous harm to the security of the United States and the world. I'm on the fence about Hegseth, because I am not sure he has the managerial ability the job requires. But I don't doubt that he'll be better than Austin was.
DeleteHegseth is incapable of doing the job well because he has none of the qualifications required to do a good job in that position. He may have been fine as a talking head on TV. He may even have been a good soldier. That doesn't mean he knows how to run our entire military and defense resources, having never successfully run any organization or entity before. His management of several veterans organizations was abysmal, running them out of money. Austin never did that.
DeleteYour claims about Austin are based on things Trump has said and that is as factually untrue as anything he claims. You are being very non-specific about Austin's supposed bad leadership but I doubt you know anything against him other than that Trump doesn't like him.
I know that Austin's leadership produced
Delete-- a military so unpopular that they can't meet their recruiting goals. They recently lowered their standards.
-- A disastrous handling of the pullout from Afghanistan. Pulling out have have been the right decision, but the unbelievable loss of weaponry and the needless deaths are on the military. The Pentagon reported that the US left behind $7 billion of military equipment in Afghanistan after the 2021 withdrawal. The US lost this and the Taliban gained it.
-- The clumsy withdrawal is thought to have been a factor motivating Putin to invade Ukraine.
-- The US military has not been able to defeat the Houthi pirates who interfere with the vital shipping.
-- Many less competent people were promoted because of their gender or ethnicity, even though stronger candidates were available.
-- More focus on affirmative action meant less focus on ability to defend the US. It also means that many people in our military leadership are not focused enough on our fighting ability.
-- "The Navy’s maintenance troubles are getting worse
Costs and delays are going up, and ships are spending less time in operation". https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navys-maintenance-troubles-gao-report/
As I suspect, a pack of right wing lies.
DeleteThere is no evidence diverse people are not good soldiers. They have always volunteered in numbers much higher than their proportion of the population, including during WWII, Korean and Vietnam wars. Scapegoating them now is despicable.
Delete"because I am not sure he (Hegeseth) has the managerial ability the job requires."
DeleteSo you think a wife-beater and drunk who led 2 small organizations into the ground financially may not be able to lead the Pentagon?
Sure you want to go out on a limb like that?
"VFF, which Hegseth led from 2007 to 2009, experienced a dramatic decline in revenue, dropping from $8.7 million in 2008 to just $265,000 in 2010. By January 2009, the organization had less than $1,000 in the bank and debt exceeding $400,000.
Blumenthal also pointed out the financial struggles at CVA, which Hegseth helmed from 2011 to 2016. Under his leadership, the organization incurred several deficits, including a $428,000 shortfall in 2014. By the time Hegseth left, CVA was carrying significant debt, including a $75,000 credit card balance.
Who raped David in Cal's cousin Lizzie?
DeleteDavid in Cal is telling us all that his problem with DEI is that it might help a black person, not that it might lead to an unqualified person getting a job.
DeleteThe silly part is that everyone already knew this.
Speaking of hollering cuckoos, Trump is meddling with the NIH, our foremost health research organization, freezing contracts and disbanding committees:
ReplyDeleteThe NIH is arguably the premier institution of medical research in the world. Founded in 1887, its scientists and grant programs have advanced countless groundbreaking discoveries, like the structure of DNA, chemotherapy, and the mRNA vaccine. NIH scientist Barney Graham designed the core of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine over a single weekend. Its scientists and grants have supported work that has won 174 Nobel Prizes and counting; most recently the chemist David Baker in 2024.
In short, NIH is the kind of thing that used to be recognized as central to both American prosperity and geopolitical influence. The social and strategic benefits to owning such an immensely successful research complex are immense. Even Trump in his first term did not meddle that much with the agency.
But in his second term, Trump stands at the head of a rising tide of vengeful, crackbrained irrationalism that might well end American scientific pre-eminence. Witness Robert F. Kennedy Jr., his nominee to run NIH’s parent agency, the Department of Health and Human Services—a delusional, paranoid anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist. It would be hard to imagine a worse person for the job. This nomination by itself could conceivably cause a bird flu pandemic.
It wouldn’t be the first time a country lobotomized itself in a fit of pique. Before 1933, Germany was the clear world leader in academic research and achievement, winning far more Nobel Prizes than any other country. Hitler and the Nazis blew that up in a crusade against liberalism and “Jewish science,” driving most top researchers across Europe (like Albert Einstein) to Britain or the U.S., where many of them worked on the Manhattan Project. German science never recovered fully. –Ryan Cooper"
The changes Trump has made affecting the NIH are itemized in the report itself at:
"https://prospect.org/politics/2025-01-23-executive-action-reaction-day-3/
You have a good point, @3:27, but bringing Hitler into the discussion weakens your argument.
DeleteActually, the destruction of the German university system was one of Hitler’s great blunders. Trump should learn from it.
DeleteThe universities should learn from that. They are destroying themselves.:(
DeleteDavid, he/she didn't.
DeleteStating a fact in which the 1933 and after (until 1945) German government, also known as "the Nazis", is a central component of the stated fact is not "bringing Hitler into it.
That's a cheap shot you should apologize for.
I work at a university and I can tell you that isn’t true, but research cannot go forward without govt grant funding, nor can students be trained in research techniques. We will become a 3rd world country.
DeleteHere is more info about Trump's initial acts, something Somerby might have been discussing. Here is an excerpt from Heather Cox Richardson summarizing some changes:
ReplyDelete"For the past two days, the new Trump administration has been demonstrating that it is far easier to break things than it is to build them.
In his determination to get rid of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) measures, Trump has shut down all federal government DEI offices and has put all federal employees working in such programs on leave, telling agencies to plan for layoffs. He reached back to the American past to root out all possible traces of DEI, calling it “illegal discrimination in the federal government.” Trump revoked a series of executive orders from various presidents designed to address inequities among American populations.
Dramatically, he reached all the way back to Executive Order 11246, signed by President Lyndon Baines Johnson in September 1965 to stop discriminatory practices in hiring in the federal government and in the businesses of those who were awarded federal contracts. Johnson put forward Executive Order 11246 shortly after Congress passed the Voting Rights Act to protect minority voting and a year after Congress passed the Civil Rights Act, both designed to level the playing field in the United States between white Americans, Black Americans and Americans of color.
In an even more dramatic reworking of American history, though, the Trump administration has frozen all civil rights cases currently being handled by the Department of Justice and has ordered Trump’s new supervisor of the civil rights division, Kathleen Wolfe, to make sure that none of the civil rights attorneys file any new complaints or other legal documents.
Congress created the Department of Justice in 1870…to prosecute civil rights cases.
Today, Erica L. Green reported for the New York Times that Trump’s team has threatened federal employees with “adverse consequences” if they refuse to turn in colleagues who “defy orders to purge diversity, equity and inclusion efforts from their agencies.” Civil rights lawyer Sherrilyn Ifill commented: “Can’t wait until these guys have to define in court a ‘DEI hire’ and ‘DEI employees.’”
Trump’s team has told the staff at Department of Health and Human Services—including the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH)—to stop issuing health advisories, scientific reports, and updates to their websites and social media posts. Lena H. Sun, Dan Diamond, and Rachel Roubein of the Washington Post report that the CDC was expected this week to publish reports on the avian influenza virus, which has shut down Georgia’s poultry industry.
Trump has also set out to make his mark on the Department of Homeland Security. Trump yesterday removed the U.S. Coast Guard commandant, Admiral Linda Lee Fagan, and ordered the Coast Guard to surge cutters, aircrafts, boats and personnel to waters around Florida and borders with Mexico and to “the maritime border around Alaska, Hawai’i, the U.S. territories of Guam, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands,” to stop migrants. The service is already covering these areas as well as it can: last August, the vice commandant of the Coast Guard, Admiral Kevin Lunday, told the Brookings Institution that the service was short of personnel and ships."
Cont.
DeleteI am personally dismayed by the rollback of civil rights advances. I know the personal suffering and deaths needed to achieve the advances during the 1950s-present, so the loss of these measures hits me hard. Somerby grew up in the same era, but apparently on the wrong side, given his criticisms of school busing to achieve integration in Boston and his recent remarks that racism is no longer a thing. Maybe that is why he doesn't see the damage Trump is doing now by firing the first female Admiral of the Coast Guard and dismantling the work of the NIH (National Institutes of Health).
There is something wrong with Somerby and his silence hurts us all.
Somerby doesn’t hurt us. He has no influence.
DeleteNo, he doesn't hurt us, but his SILENCE hurts us because it means there is less resistance to the evils being perpetrated by Trump and his minions.
DeleteSomething you'll never hear from Somerby (if only because he is busy at the movies):
ReplyDelete"This morning, John Coughenour, a federal judge in Seattle, put an end to Donald Trump’s pretense that he could undo the constitutional right to birthright citizenship. The Judge entered a nationwide injunction, temporarily prohibiting Trump from interfering with citizenship for people born in the United States, regardless of their parents’ citizenship status.
It’s Trump’s first loss in court, only four days into his new administration, and it’s an important one. The issue, also being litigated in other courts, is headed to the Supreme Court. I don’t expect a different result there. That will surprise some of you given how willing this Court has been to put its thumb on the scale of justice in Trump’s favor. But my assessment that Trump will lose isn’t based on a belief that anything has changed at the Court. Rather, it’s based on an understanding of how foundationally anchored birthright citizenship is in the Constitution and the 14th Amendment...The issue is so clear that it will simply be a reflection that there are some bars SCOTUS can’t fall below."
Joyce Vance at the blog Civil Discourse
https://joycevance.substack.com/p/go-judge
Yay yay yay!
DeleteThis issue will surely go to the Supreme Court. Surprisingly there is a plausible argument for Trump’s position. There is some evidence that the people who voted on the 14th Amendment intended birthright citizenship to apply only to residents who intend to stay here permanently.
DeleteRidiculous, Dave. They meant it to apply to infants.
Delete@3:58 Why are you so happy about birthright citizenship? I believe the US is the only country that has it. Why is it a big deal to you that a child born to a visitor be a US citizen?
DeleteI suspect the answer may be, "If Trump is for it, I'm against it."
You are incorrect. 33 countries have unrestricted birthright citizenship worldwide, while another 32 have some form of restricted birthright citizenship
DeleteWhy are you always so wrong about the facts when you make such statements? I'll bet you are just as wrong about the intentions behind the 14th amendment. If someone immediately leaves the US as an infant and lives elsewhere, it doesn't matter whether they have citizenship here or not. Many Americans who live here have dual citizenship.
My question is why Trump is so intent on throwing children out of our country, ones who are living here now and for all we know intend to do so for their whole lives?
@6:50 Are you aware that Trump has committed to legalizing the dreamers' right to remain in the US?President-elect Donald Trump said he wants to work out a plan for Dreamers to stay in America.
DeleteWhile talking to NBC’s Kristen Welker, Donald Trump said this about Dreamers: “We’re gonna have to do something with them… I want to be able to work something out, and it should have been able to be worked out over the last three or four years, and it never got worked out.”
He also spoke about how he wants to work with Republicans and Democrats to figure something out for Dreamers.
https://winknews.com/2024/12/09/trumps-comments-bring-hope-dreamers/
It was part of the bipartisan immigration bill Trump tanked.
DeleteThanks for the info, @ 7:32. The immigration bill was not really bipartisan. A few Republicans negotiated and helped draft it, but the great mass of Republicans never supported it. Also, it was a dreadful bill. Republicans never would have supported it, even without Trump's wise and prudent counsel.
DeleteNow you say this. It only became terrible when Trump said to kill it.
DeleteNo, @8:20 conservatives were explaining the huge flaws in the bill before Trump took a public stand.
Delete"Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders.
Before the bill had been released, Republican Sen. Ted Cruz described it as “a steaming pile of crap.” After seeing it, Cruz said, “it turned out my assessment was far too kind.”
source?
Delete6:50 PM: DIC has a concept of the facts.
Deletehttps://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/
Deletehttps://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/:
DeleteMuch of the controversy centered on a section of the bill that would have provided emergency authority to the administration to “summarily remove” people who cross into the U.S. illegally between ports of entry, even if they are seeking asylum. While Trump argues that presidents already have that authority, the fact is that when he tried to exercise that kind of authority, the courts blocked him.
Trump and other Republicans have also said the bill would have permitted up to 5,000 illegal entries per day, but that’s not accurate either...
David in Cal,
DeleteI'm with you. There should definitely be statues of Micah X. Johnson in every town square.
He's the best American of the 21st Century.
cont'd:
DeleteLeading up to the vote, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise on social media said the bill “accepts 5,000 illegal immigrants a day.” Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn added her voice to the opposition, posting that she would “never vote to make illegal immigration legal.”
Those comments misrepresented the bill.
It is interesting: Republicans, four months ago, would not give funding for Ukraine, for Israel and for our southern border because we demanded changes in policy,” Lankford said on CNN. “And now, it’s interesting, a few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding, I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year.’”
Most if not all "misrepresentation" (aka "lying) about the bipartisan immigration bill came from its opponents. It always bears repeating that DavidinCal's next good-faith argument will be his first.
Case in point.
"I believe the US is the only country that has it."
DeleteDavid, do you ever verify anything before you post?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-birthright-citizenship
David, do you ever verify anything before you post?
DeleteEver since 6:50 pm debunked DiC's false claim about the US being the only country with birthright citizenship, DiC has decided to change the subject. This is what he does. Divert, distract, deflect. He is a nasty piece of work and a troll.
DIC is the Emily Litella of this comment section. Below, a comment about Trump coercing the Saudis made by him, when challenged, becomes “I was trying to make a joke”. Pathetic.
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ReplyDeleteJust two days in office, and our president has already fixed the terrible "global warming" calamity, as the weather becomes record cold!
Halleluiah!
Somerby attempt to christen Trump as "The Madman" is not going to stick. First, the term already has meaning from the TV show about advertising and Jon Hamm will forever own it. Second, people of all IQ levels can be crazy but Trump combines his own brand of insanity with stupidity, so a better name would be "The Goofus" or "The Hitlerian Dunce" or something that captures all of Trump's failings as a human being. Van Gogh could be called a madman but it wouldn't be right for a great artist (with a touch of insanity) to share any label with someone as venal as Trump.
ReplyDelete“The Trump administration is moving to abolish a Pentagon office responsible for promoting civilian safety in battlefield operations, suggesting incoming Defense Department leaders may attempt to loosen restrictions on U.S. military operations worldwide,” the Washington Post reports." [Political Wire]
ReplyDeleteWhy would he do this?
Possibly because they are assholes.
DeleteTrump is trying to bully the Fed into lowering the interest rate, using empty threats. Just as he is using threats of tariffs to bully other countries into investing in the US. He is embarrassing himself.
ReplyDeleteTrump's "empty threats" are working. Saudi Arabia committed a $600 billion investment in the US. https://www.wmur.com/article/saudi-arabia-us-600-billion-investment/63523286
DeleteThey were already in the bag.
DeletePayoff:
DeleteOn 2 October 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi dissident journalist, was killed by agents of the Saudi government at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey. Khashoggi was ambushed and strangled by a 15-member squad of Saudi operatives. His body was dismembered and disposed of in some way that was never publicly revealed.
David, I somehow missed any threats Trump aimed at the Saudis. Fill me in, willya?
DeleteSorry, Quaker. I was trying to make a joke. My intended point was that Trump is doing very well at getting foreign investment in the US.
DeleteTrump wants to round up to 1 trillion and a reduction in oil prices. Any bets on whether Bone Saw thinks investing in golf resorts would be lucrative?
DeleteTrump is doing very well at angering our neighbors to the North and South with tariffs that DIC previously passed off as bluster and art of the deal maneuvers. Let’s see how the markets react to his inflationary antics.
DeleteDavid: Ah, I see. I didn't miss a Trump threat, but I missed a "joke."
DeleteWhat was the joke and why is it funny?
White people suck.
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