WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2025
With that, Thanksgiving was born: Should the Democratic Party Six have issued that videotaped statement?
It triggered the predictable fury, first from President Trump himself. After that, it came from the fellow who prefers to call himself the Secretary of War, even though, as far as we know, it's still not entirely clear whether he is or he isn't.
As a general matter, we'd prefer that people say what they mean (present company excluded). We thought the videotape was a bit murky, and therefore perhaps a bit insinuative. The inevitable rage came next. But then again, tell us when that hasn't happened.
(There may be medical reasons...)
Tomorrow being Thanksgiving Day, we'll go with a sacred remembrance. It comes from Bret Stephens' new column for the New York Times—at least, from this first part of the column:
Thanksgiving Is an Opportunity for a National Reset
Though the Thanksgiving story is typically associated with the harvest feast of Pilgrims and Wampanoags in Plymouth, Mass., 404 years ago this fall, the national holiday Americans celebrate every fourth Thursday of November only began thanks to a presidential proclamation from Abraham Lincoln in 1863, the same year he delivered the Gettysburg Address.
That’s not just historical trivia. What we are meant to commemorate on Thanksgiving isn’t merely a mythologized version of our origins. It’s a celebration of American rebirth—and of the possibilities, personal and political, that go with it.
Stephens was already getting a bit highfalutin. We're not sure that we agree with everywhere he went after that.
We're not sure we agree with every word. We came here to post the history, and the history goes like this:
(continuing directly)
The idea for a national Thanksgiving holiday was not Lincoln’s own. It came from Sarah Josepha Hale, among the most influential Americans you’ve probably never heard of. “A partial list of Hale’s achievements on behalf of women,” wrote Melanie Kirkpatrick, Hale’s biographer, “includes leading the fight for property rights for married women, campaigning for women to be welcome as teachers in public schools, supporting medical education for women, creating the first day care center for small children and the first public playground, founding a society dedicated to increasing the wages of working women, and helping to found Vassar College, the first college for women.”
That wasn’t all Hale did. She wrote a best-selling antislavery novel. She spent decades as editor of Godey’s Lady’s Book, the most widely circulated magazine in the United States before the Civil War...And, beginning in the 1840s, she petitioned president after president to make Thanksgiving a national holiday.
Why was Hale obsessed with setting a national date for Thanksgiving? “There is a deep moral influence in these periodical seasons of rejoicing in which a whole community participates,” she wrote in 1835. But her purposes were also political: a national holiday, she argued, could help preserve the Union. Among her fiercest opponents, unsurprisingly, were Southerners who thought that designating a holiday was an issue for the states to decide.
In September 1863, following the Union’s victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, Hale again petitioned the president for an “annual Thanksgiving” to have “a National and fixed Union Festival.” In Lincoln and William Seward, his secretary of state, she found receptive ears. On Oct. 3, Lincoln proclaimed “a Day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens.”
President Lincoln proclaimed the day. Also this:
"We must not be enemies," he said at the end of his First Inaugural Address. "We are not enemies, but friends."
Soon thereafter, he chose to "accept" the war. Where possible, it's better avoided.
Tomorrow: Most likely, no fish tomorrow
ReplyDelete"Where possible, it's better avoided."
Oh yeah? But haven't you Democrats learned to stop worrying and love the war?
At least that's the vibe I'm getting from your bosses. War! To the last Ukrainian!
Yes we should change international rules and let adjoining countries invade, steal lives, land, and treasure, and not charge or punish them for war crimes you sick fucker. And now that Russia has lied about all treaties with Ukraine they are to be trusted. Simpletons. Like Agents Witkoff, Trump, and you.
DeleteTriggered, Hillary?
DeleteTrump is such a Ruussian stooge.
Delete"Have you heard the Bloomberg audio where Witkoff is teaching the Russians how to like you and win your favor?
Trump: Well, I haven’t heard that, no, but it’s standard practice. You know, because he has to sell this to Ukraine, he has to sell Ukraine to Russia. That’s what a deal-maker does."
After release of the conversation of his admins total bending over to Putin, the feckless Orange TACO retreats once again. "Trump walks back Ukraine deadline, says 28-point peace plan was 'just a map.’"
At some point even the fans gotta think, what a demented dolt.
And the best thing about Putin wanting to restore the mighty USSR?, 11,000 blown up tanks belonging to the former worlds 2nd greatest military power. You know what they say, the only good commie is a dead commie. Right comrades?
@2:48 - what international rules are you talking about? Who is obliged to enforce those rules?
DeleteThe UN Charter, to be enforced by the Security Council. I know, I know.
DeleteAre you describing yourself as "demented dolt", idiot-Democrat @3:23? Your word-salad definitely sounds demented.
DeleteI am a megavolt bolt.
Delete"War! To the last Ukrainian!"
DeleteA typical MAGA reading of the situation, to assume the Ukrainians must be fighting because we're telling them to, or forcing them, or something.
The Ukrainians are fighting because they're brave. MAGA can't imagine what that must feel like.
Always love when you quote the fat orange fuck the demented magats accuse you of word salad. Sad fuckers can't even read.
DeleteI dunno David. Remember that treaty where Russia promised not to fuck with Ukraine after Ukraine denuclearization and we promised security? Remember the treaty after Putin stole Crimea after invading in 2014 and promised not to war any more until things are settled. Such a fascist liar David. Disgusting human being perpetually playing so fucking stupid.
DeleteAny country not lobbying through AIPAC is not worth supporting.
DeleteDo days exist? Given a day D, will there be a day D + 1? Asking for a friend.
ReplyDelete@2:42 there will indeed be a day n with no day n+1. Namely the day the sun finally goes out.
DeleteWhen the sun becomes a white dwarf, it will fade out over billions of years. It won’t just shut off.
DeleteWhen the sun expands the earth will incinerate so yes there is a sun, but no more earth. Everybody is wrong.
DeleteWhen the sun expands, its outer layers will be red hot, not hot enough to vaporize the earth. So there might eventually be a cinder earth orbiting a white-dwarf sun.
DeleteArithmetic sequences can be finite or infinite. David proving once again he understands zilch about any pertinent subject.
DeleteTwo problems with that video statement
ReplyDelete1. It falsely implies that military people are facing illegal orders. It and its writers identify no such orders.
2. It does not give any information on the grounds on which an order can be disobeyed. These situations are very rare. Thus the statement may encourage some military people to be generally less obedient.
Explain how blowing folks up in their boat is due process dickhead.
DeleteNo. All it says is this: we'll return to power eventually, and if you don't sabotage this administration now, we'll fuck you up then.
DeleteFuck u up in a military court that is.
DeleteUh, @2:49. Foreign Military actions do not require due process.
DeleteThere is a uniform code of military justice that defines duty with respect to legal and illegal orders, plus a court martial procedure to examine the gray areas.
DeleteMilitary action by the president is limited by the 1973 War Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization for the use of Military force. Both require involvement of Congress, which Trump has ignored.
Delete"(the video) falsely implies that military people are facing illegal orders."
DeleteCertainly the Venezuelan boat murders are illegal.
But the video is also a prudent reminder, in the face of the possiblity of other illegal orders, given the general lawlessness of the Trump regime and the sycophantic nature of his subordinates.
"It does not give any information on the grounds on which an order can be disobeyed."
Duh. The legality of any order stems from its context and details. No single video could address the myriad possibilities.
"These situations are very rare."
They became much less rare when Trump was inaugurated in January.
"Thus the statement may encourage some military people to be generally less obedient."
Hopefully, yes.
What piffle, David! As usual, I might add. First of all, they are no implying anything, but a number of people have inferred that Trump has given illegal orders. He has. As someone points out above, blowing up random boats in international waters sans any declaration of hostilities is illegal.
DeleteIn other instances, Trump has suggested that he would be issuing illegal orders, e.g. using American cities as training grounds for the military. There's a wide dichotomy in what incoherent babble from Trump, which you accept and justify, David, and what anyone else is allowed to say.
Hector - if the fishing boat attacks were illegal orders, why did Sen Slotkin say on TV she knew of no illegal orders? Why didn’t the original video provide those attacks as illegal orders?
DeleteUh, David, there are laws governing "foreign actions", and Trump, sure as fuck, is violating them.
DeleteIlya - if I say we are not required to tolerate Obama’s putting puppies in blenders, I think I would have implied that Obama put puppies in blenders.
DeleteGood grief, David! First of all, there're examples of Trump violating laws. Secondly, per your own argument, if those Dems said nothing of substance, why is Trump getting bent out of shape? Thirdly, if someone suggests that putting puppies in a blender is a bad thing, does it really imply that someone is putting puppies in a blender? Finally, even if they did imply that, what's the big deal? Their statement was quite anodyne; a trivially obvious refrain.
DeleteI mean, your example is quite ironic given that Trump lied for years about Obama's birth certificate. If only Obama had declared Trump to be a seditious traitor and had him hanged! The world would've been so much better off.
Anonymouse 2:50pm: “ No. All it says is this: we'll return to power eventually, and if you don't sabotage this administration now, we'll fuck you up then.”
DeleteDo you think they decided to f- up two guys here and now?
"if the fishing boat attacks were illegal orders, why did Sen Slotkin say on TV she knew of no illegal orders?"
DeleteShe probably doesn't want to say definitively that something is illegal when she's only in a position to say that it certainly seems to be illegal.
If they asked me on TV if those orders were illegal, I would say yes. But they never ask me.
"if I say we are not required to tolerate Obama’s putting puppies in blenders, I think I would have implied that Obama put puppies in blenders."
DeleteIf so, you have a very expansive sense of the word 'implied'. Any statement, especially when so absurd as your example, derives its meaning not just from its words, but the context in which it is made.
Since no one suspects Obama put puppies in blenders, no one would suspect your statement to be true; they would more wonder why you said it.
The Dem video however, is made in the context of the Venezuelan boat murders and other Trump lawlessness, so does come close to being an accusation, so close it makes MAGA squeal and want to lash back, but without having a way of doing so.
It's trolling and it's working beautifully.
IANAL, but I wonder if there’s a distinction between an action being eventually found illegal and disobeying a direct order. E.g. suppose a Private in Vietnam disobeyed a direct order from his CO. Could that Private be exonerated by arguing that the whole war was illegal?
DeleteHe would have a trial (court martial).
DeleteThe private would have been morally right. But a court martial would probably have convicted him.
DeleteCecelia, the shooter in Washington DC seems to be an Afghan. His motive is unknown.
DeleteHe may have thought that they would disobey unlawful orders.
DeleteDavid, no you dumb fuck. A soldier cannot say he doesn't like the politics of a war. You are not that stupid, just playing one right? I mean we know you are a fascist, but not as stupid as a normal one, or so we thought.
DeleteAli said he was a pacifist and was jailed you ignorant cunt.
DeleteA normal Admin would deny that they would even consider an illegal order and that it would never happen. Trump of course says I can do any order I want, and if you don't like it being illegal go fuck yourselves I put you in jail, fuck the stupid constitution.
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DeleteIllegal, aha. Barack bin Obama called. He wants his drone strikes back.
His 550 drone strikes and his four thousand cadavers.
When the POTUS suggested, when he was more cognitively intact, shooting protesters in the legs, and had a military command not on board with that suggestion, there was a clear line that the military hierarchy drew. With Hegseth in charge, there is no longer any guarantee that such a line exists. As Trump further militarizes various cities the likelihood that an illegal order given by a regime with little regard for the law and judicial branch increases. Suggesting that a decorated veteran be tried and murdered by the state is a thought held by one sick fuck.
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DeletePlease produce a video of Donald Trump giving orders to "shoot protesters in the legs", Soros-monkey.
Anyhow, shooting rioters, arsonists, and looters is perfectly legal, and has been done plenty of times.
Democrat bosses did it in Chicago in 1968, for example, including "shoot to kill" orders. And no one demanded of Chicago cops to refuse to follow Mayor Daley's orders.
I guess if something happened once, then it's eternally justified and should keeping happening over and over again and there's nothing anyway can say against it.
DeleteGood logic, trumptard.
6:25,
DeleteI'm offering you a hankie to wipe your hilarious tears.
Go ahead and produce a video of the orange Jesus passing his dementia test, MAGAt. No one said he “gave orders”. Reading for comprehension ain’t your thing, apparently.
Delete"if something happened once"
DeleteSpecifically for the alternatively gifted like yourself, idiot-Democrat, I said that "has been done plenty of times". Naturally, to no avail.
Delete"No one said he “gave orders”"
Oh, really? So, then, what was 3:16's hissy fit all about?
Great, Professor Logic. So the fact that something has been done plenty of times means it must continue to be done and cannot be questioned because....because the person making this argument doesn't think so gud.
DeleteThe fact that something that has been done plenty of times suddenly becomes the outrage of the day, it can only mean one thing: the clowns in the outrage circus are terminal TDS patients.
DeleteShow me anyone of the six Democrat clowns on the video telling Obama's drone operators to refuse illegal orders, and then we'll talk.
Obama’s illegal orders were obeyed, therefore Trump’s illegal orders must be obeyed.
DeleteWho said they're illegal?
DeleteAnyhow: those who had no problem with Obama's orders have no business questioning Trump's. That's all.
As for obeying or refusing to obey, that's up to the military personnel. They are well aware of the obligation to refuse illegal orders; that's standard training.
Oh my God, Daily was a fucking moron just like Trump and nobody followed the there were no orders to shoot anyone you dipshit.
DeleteTriggered, Hillary?
DeleteAccosting suspected drug smugglers is not war, it is policing you fascist fuckwad.
DeleteAnyone who doesn't have a problem with inflation today, didn't have a problem with inflation a year ago, is a good rule of thumb.
Delete"Those who had no problem with Obama's orders have no business questioning Trump's."
DeleteObama's drone strikes took place in a war zone, with the presence of US troops used as the pretext, and the victims being viewed as enemy combatants.
The Caribbean is not a war zone and the victims are not enemy combatants. That's what makes Trump a murderer.
"The fact that something that has been done plenty of times suddenly becomes the outrage of the day"
DeleteJesus. You sound as addle-brained as Trump. How old are you?
A lot of them didn't take place in a war zone. Obama was murdering (your term, not mine) people on his kill-lists, wherever they were. Some in Afghanistan, yes, but not in any war zone. Weddings, funerals, family gatherings. Also in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Libya.
DeleteA fatal flaw with these right wing trolls is they think their perceived enemies are in a cult just like they are.
DeleteBut Dems are not in a cult, and they are not above criticizing past Dem leaders, particularly neoliberal ones that engaged in war crimes.
Right. That's exactly the Soviet model, Soros-monkey, where most of the past cult leaders are ritualistically denounced and photoshopped out of group photos.
DeleteRealax, Mao.
DeleteNo one has the time to photoshop Trump out of the tens of thousands of photos of him buddying-up with his pal, and fellow sexual predator, Jeffrey Epstein.
Hey can Trump's DOJ or Deep State do anything wothout fucking it all up so bad they go back to square one?
ReplyDeleteHegseth is not Head of the Dept of War because Congress has not approved the name change. Somerby could have checked that instead of pretending there is some doubt.
ReplyDeleteTwo national guardsmen shot near the White House have died.
ReplyDeleteThey are not dead. They are in critical condition.
DeleteNo harm, no foul.
DeleteA measly two National Guardsman, out of how many?
DeleteAsking for David in Cal.
The only answer is to nuke alk of DC to make sure no more damn Afghannies be running around.
DeleteLike Trump did during his first Presidency.
DeleteObligatory, "Those National Guardsmen were no angels" post.
DeleteGreat news.
DeleteTrump is putting targets on the back of 500 more National Guardsmen by sending them to DC.
This is going to be the bloodiest and greatest holiday season ever.
Thank you, Mr. President.
The perp worked with the CIA in Afghanistan.
DeleteAnd he was given asylum by Trump.
DeleteIt is somewhat amusing to observe all these Republicans running around like loons, shooting themselves in the foot.
"Appeals Court Upholds $1M Penalty Against Trump in Lawsuit Against Hillary Clinton"
ReplyDeleteThe Trump retribution offensive continues to showcase his legal smarts.
His lying petty asshole too. Fascist gonna fascist.
DeleteLegal smarts? You a funny man. So smart his dumbness' lawyer got Comey off free.
DeleteThe government needs to stop subsidizing rural electricity.
ReplyDeleteSure, rural folk will whine and cry about how that is reducing the deficit (poor babies), but after they cry themselves out, they'll move into cities where they belong.
Those Kentucky children Republican's killed with whooping cough would have just grown up to be Republican voters anyway.
ReplyDeleteGood riddance.
They would have been anti-vax Republicans.
DeleteIs Islam incompatible with our American culture of tolerance?
ReplyDelete“ Ihab Mustafa El Mahmoud, 43, was arrested on Monday evening for "attempting to strike members of a local running club at a park, making multiple passes and driving recklessly before fleeing," police said. Police responded to the scene at approximately 8:20 p.m. on Monday, and upon arriving, "met with members of a local LGBTQIA+ running club"
It’s a paradox: Does being tolerant require tolerating intolerance?
Does being tolerant require tolerating you?
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DeleteI read about a couple of guys of Judaic persuasion in Kiev, stealing $100 million American money, American aid to Ukraine. Stolen money on the photo were stacks of 100 dollar bills, fresh from the US Treasury. The thieves got a warning, apparently, and they managed to escape to Israel.
Should I be making any generalizations about characteristics of Judaism based on that event?
@11:17 - Theft is not an official part of Judaism. Nothing in the Jewish bible demands that Jews steal. Homophobia (and antisemitism and antiChrisianism) ARE official parts of Islam.
DeleteThey are share the same book weirdo.
DeleteDonald Trump is stealing billions for himself. Should I be making any generalizations about characteristics of fascist assholes based on that event?
DeleteAre you an expert in Islam? Are you saying the Quran actually has the term "homophobia"? And what's the attitude towards buggery in Judaism and Christianity? Are they all for it?
DeleteAs for theft in Judaism, Judaism is not a universal religion, like Christianity and Islam. Judaism has God-chosen persons and everybody else. Is it forbidden to steal from goyim? I don't know. There is an episode in the Gospels where a goyim woman asks Jesus to help her sick daughter, and Jesus replies: why would I take bread from the children (i.e.: Jews) and give it to dogs (i.e.: goyim).
Here it is:
"It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs."
Matthew 15:26
If Jesus felt this way, what should we think of ordinary Jews?
Rural living is incompatible with Capitalism.
DeleteThat's for sure.
Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains. And screw the peasants.
DeleteThe Jewish bible specifically endorses slavery, that kind of seems like theft, and worse.
DeleteDavid is such a know-nothing moronic troll.
Slavery was a normal phase of socioeconomic development. That it's in the bible is neither here nor there.
DeleteYou're a know-nothing idiot-Democrat bot.
In 1837, John C Calhoun said slavery is a positive good.
DeleteFrom Borowitz Report:
ReplyDelete"Stuck with MAGA relatives around the table today? Gaslight them by pretending you’re a convert to their movement! Just slip these surefire talking points into the conversation:
I’m more grateful for this Thanksgiving meal than last year’s because it cost so much more.
I agree with RFK Jr.—polio’s not so bad.
Pete Hegseth has made me feel so much better about my drinking.
I’m grateful to live in a country where if you’ve committed violent crimes and gone to prison you can still get a job working for ICE.
After we’re done eating, let’s tear down this house and build a ballroom.
Thank God Trump is deporting all those undocumented workers! If I want fruit and vegetables I’ll just pick them myself.
Say what you will about Trump, he’s a loyal friend—look at how many times Epstein mentioned him in his emails."
Hegseth showed it’s possible to give up drinking. That’s a positive message.
ReplyDeleteRiiiiiight. But what about beating the shit out of women? Has he slowed his roll on that?
DeleteHow about his stupidity? Any progress there?
DeleteHow do you have any freaking idea whether Hegseth has given up drinking? Did Karoline Leavitt tell you?
DeleteKaroline Keavitt’s nephew’s mother is in ICE custody.
DeleteUh @12:39.”Stupid” Pete Hegseth has a BA from Princeton and a MPP from Harvard.
DeleteGlad to see that someone does not get special privileges just because she’s related to Leavitt.
DeleteShe is estranged. Things might otherwise be different.
DeleteDegrees from Ivy league schools come from money and connections not smarts. They mean nothing. Look at Somerby.
DeleteIvy League? Pooh. Now, the University of Chicago, funded by John D Rockefeller Sr — a degree there means something.
DeleteThank you @1:42
DeleteThank you @1:42
DeleteObama has a JD from Harvard, yet David and the Republicans think he is dumb.
DeleteDavid doesn't have a college degree, which is one reason why he says really dumb things.
David has a degree and an FAS.
DeleteI don’t think Obama is dumb. I think he has evil values. His high intelligence makes him even more dangerous IMO
DeleteAnd Trump has good values.
DeleteDemocrats have no values; they are told what to think.
DeleteThey used to be told to be antiwar and pro-free-speech -- and now they're told to be pro-war and anti-free-speech -- and they happily are.
They have no values and they are dumb. Including their former "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii" great leader.
8:34 Says an immoral freak who kisses the ring of a rapist. Well played.
Delete"I think he has evil values." Nice try, MAGAt. Keep rooting for the rapist who was Epstein's best buddy for years and will pardon the worst criminal for a few bucks. The degenerate who was fucking a porn star while his wife was nursing their newborn. Amoral cretin.
Delete"Times did a hit piece on me that I am perhaps losing my Energy, despite facts that show the exact opposite.”
ReplyDeleteSo the 'facts' show that Trump is gaining energy as he gets older. And this nutbag is running the country.
A Politico analysis back in May also found that “Trump 2.0 has done media on 111 of his 138 days back in office — an 80 percent hit rate that includes weekends and must put him on course to being just about the most-accessible president in modern history.” The outlet further stated that Trump has “basically taken questions from all-comers. It’s impressive stuff.
DeleteHow much energy does Trump have? Take his body mass in kilograms, square it, multiply by the speed of light in meters per second. That’s Trump’s energy in joules, i.e. in watt-seconds.
Delete“Trump 2.0 has done media ..."
DeleteTranslation: King Orange Chickenshit screamed incoherent bullshit at some reporter.
@1:59 Trump has done over 250 press conferences. How many did you watch?
DeleteGet back to me when he answers the question why he is considering pardoning a convicted child sex trafficker after having her transferred to a summer camp, Dickhead, you fucking fascist freak.;
DeleteIndependent media covers Trump and his pr stunts more than Fox News or any other corporate media outlet, so Dems are more aware of Trump's state of mind than Republicans.
DeleteTrump can barely walk straight and his voice is slow, slurred, and tired at his pressers, and he rarely makes any sense.
@3:09 - Don’t depend on any media — independent, left or right. Watch Trump’s pressers yourself. Use your own brain to judge Trump’s condition. Not only will you learn more about Trump. You will also learn more about whatever media you get your news from.
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DeleteDemocrat cult followers wouldn't know "independent media" (whatever those are) if it hit them in the nose. Idiot-Democrats only consume Democrat media, that endlessly repeat Democrat talking points.
3:17 Read a transcript of a Trump presser, then get back to us. You can start with the one about lowering drug prices 1600 per cent. You are a goddamn idiot if you think that is presidential material.
DeleteDoing your own research leads to conclusions that Trump is a child rapist, the Republican Party is a global pedophile ring, and that there are very good reasons for the government to provide blacks with reparations.
Delete"The outlet further stated that Trump has “basically taken questions from all-comers. It’s impressive stuff."
DeleteThat's like saying a batter who goes to the plate a lot is impressive. What is impressive or not is how well the batter does when he bats, not how often.
Trump regularly spews lies, falsehoods, insults and non sequiturs. To find that impressive is to be easily impressed.
Sarah Beckstrom died.
ReplyDeleteThat National Guardsman was no angel.
DeleteSo, as is typical and so predictable:
ReplyDeleteKing Orange Chickenshit put the guard in D.C. with no clearly defined mission. They hang around METRO stations and pick up trash on occasion. King Orange Chickenshit's own DOJ vetted the shooter and granted him asylum. Naturally the ignorant asshole who never takes responsibility for anything right away starts blaming President Biden. Fuck all you maggot cult assholes.
In Trump's defense, he was probably raping a four-year old when one of his "only the best people" waved the National Guard shooter to the front of the line.
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