Exciting accusation watch: The New Yorker remembers Bill Clinton's affair!

FRIDAY, JUNE 3, 2016

This is brainwashing too:
Could Candidate Trump actually get elected this fall?

We think he possibly could, largely because Candidate Clinton is so badly damaged. Given his apparent scorched-earth scandal strategy, his chances are helped by the passage shown below from The New Yorker's Amy Davidson.

The passage appears in the high-profile section, "The Talk of the Town," in the magazine's latest edition. Ironic headline included:
DAVIDSON (6/6/16): BILL PROBLEMS:
As Donald Trump attacks both Clintons, it’s like 1992 all over again.


“There is still time for both Clintons to solve the Hillary Problem,” the conservative columnist William Safire wrote in the Times in March, 1992, when Bill Clinton, the Governor of Arkansas, was first running for the Democratic Presidential nomination. Safire was referring to the manner in which Hillary, an accomplished lawyer, presented herself as someone who would reinvent the role of First Lady. Not everyone saw this as a problem. Indeed, Hillary had already proved a solution, appearing with her husband on “60 Minutes” after Gennifer Flowers, a former television reporter, had regaled a tabloid with stories of her affair with Bill.“I’m not sitting here, some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette,” Clinton said, adding that she loved her husband and respected him, and “if that’s not enough for people, then heck, don’t vote for him.”
Did Bill Clinton have an affair with Gennifer Flowers? As far as we know, there is no evidence supporting that claim.

In that passage, Davidson says he did.

It's certainly true that Flowers "regaled a tabloid" (The Star) "with stories of her [alleged] affair." That said, the affair in question was alleged. And the stories, for which Flowers was paid $150,000, turned out to be embarrassingly false in certain embarrassing instances.

Were Gennifer Flowers' stories true? Did Bill Clinton have an affair? Davidson seems to be saying yes. Ironically, she goes on to say this in her second paragraph:
DAVIDSON: This time, Hillary is running for President, and Bill would be the mold-breaking First Spouse. As such, his record is back on the table, with all the triumphs (a booming economy) that are acknowledged even by his enemies and all the flaws (the personal misjudgments) that are too familiar even to his friends. Now it’s Hillary who has a Bill problem, both because the question of his possible future White House position is a fair one and because her presumptive opponent, Donald Trump, will certainly raise it in ways that are deeply unfair.
Davidson complains that Trump will be unfair. One paragraph earlier, she turned suspect allegations into established facts.

Might we offer a bit of background? In the later Clinton years, the press corps staged a torrid love affair with a group of Clinton accusers. (This love affair began in earnest in early 1998.)

Persistently, journalists disappeared arrays of facts which cast doubt on these accusers' accusations. Flowers, a prime example, authored a decade of crazy claims—crazy claims the mainstream press corps lovingly disappeared.

(Some of Flowers' other claims were less crazy than ugly. They got disappeared too. Keep accusers' reputations alive!)

Apparently, Candidate Trump plans to revive this stupid, ugly culture. Davidson says this will be unfair. Meanwhile, she vouches for some of the widely bruited claims behind which Trump will be surfing.

At some point in the next few weeks, we'll revisit the love affair the press corps conducted with some of these Clinton accusers. Back then, the press corps [HEARTED] these accusers in an appalling, embarrassing way.

Davidson seems to [HEART] Flowers still. "It’s like 1992 all over again," her headline says, with no apparent sense of irony.

Brainwashing works on repetition. As with Raymond Shaw, so here:

This is brainwashing too.

Credit where due: Let's give credit where due! At least Davidson didn't call Flowers "a model and actress," as Charles Blow excitingly did in his recent New York Times piece.

34 comments:

  1. Spurned Lover of BobJune 3, 2016 at 12:41 PM

    Gennifer Flowers (born January 24, 1950) is an American model and actress who obtained notoriety after revealing a sexual relationship with former U.S. President Bill Clinton. In January 1998, Clinton testified under oath that he had sexual relations with Flowers. Prior to Clinton's presidency, she also posed nude for Penthouse magazine and was an actress in two films and one TV show.

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    1. Youngish Bob LoversJune 3, 2016 at 12:44 PM

      Monica Samille Lewinsky (born July 23, 1973) is an American activist, television personality, fashion designer, and former White House intern with whom President Bill Clinton admitted to having had what he called an "inappropriate relationship" while she worked at the White House in 1995 and 1996. The affair and its repercussions, which included Clinton's impeachment, became known as the Lewinsky scandal.

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    2. From IMDb:

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      Gennifer Flowers was born on January 24, 1950 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA. She is an actress, known for The War Room (1993), Redheads (1994) and WrestleMania XIV (1998). See full bio »

      Born: January 24, 1950 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA "

      Notice that her movie credits all appeared after she made her accusations against Bill Clinton. She has no acting credits before she attacked Clinton. Some might call these opportunities a quid pro quo. Her first credit in 1993 is a documentary about the Clinton campaign.

      Clinton testified that he had relations with her once but did not have an affair with her as she was claiming (10 years). If she was in any films before accusing Clinton,m they don't appear in her bio. Maybe porn? She was also in Redheads and WrestleMania XIV.

      Clinton's "affair" with Lewinsky consisted of clandestine blow jobs and sex play but no intercourse. A Gallop poll found that 50% of the public doesn't consider the acts they engaged in "sex", as in "did you have sex with that women?"

      Lewinsky's activities with Clinton would never have come to light had not Linda Tripp surreptitiously recorded a phone conversation with Monica and passed it along to republican operatives (Lucianne Goldberg as I recall). Calling her a fashion designer these days is sort of like calling Flowers an actress. She could perhaps have lived a real life if the conservatives had left her alone. She now appears to be working for them again, but why not? A girl's got to make a living?

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    3. So, Genniffer Flowers is an American actress and model. That makes Charles Blow correct.
      And Bob Somerby the blogging equivalent of a painfully swollen waste outlet.

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    4. No, it makes Blow incorrect because she was not an actress and model at the time she had sex with Clinton. She was working in a low-paying office job. She became an actress after her contributions to the Republican cause. Blow should have pointed out that she not only received large amounts of money but also was given movie parts after her hit job on Clinton.

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    5. A more conspiracy-minded person might think she took the office job in order to place herself in Clinton's path and entrap him into sex that could later be used against him. This is a standard practice for CIA operatives, like the former CIA Nixonian dirty tricksters (mastermind Roger Stone comes to mind) who inhabit the right. Clinton should have said no, but a lot of guys don't under similar circumstances. The people running Flowers knew that.

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    6. In addition to proving Blow correct, poor Anon @ 1:46 proved her/himself to be a practitioner of disappearing facts, a sneaky practice repeatedly frowned upon by a man some call "The World's Expert on Obsessive Honesty and Good Journalistic Practice."

      He/she wrote "Notice that her movie credits all appeared after she made her accusations against Bill Clinton. She has no acting credits before she attacked Clinton."

      In the IMDB quote the phrase "See full bio" is a link to her acting credit before 1992.

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    7. I clicked on that link and saw the same three movies listed. Nothing before The War Room. Please include the URL for what you saw.

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    8. Here's what you get if you click on Full Bio: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0283187/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

      It is the same three movies, nothing before 1992. Way to throw gorilla dust.

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    9. If she made any movies before 1992, she obviously isn't proud of them and they aren't part of the legitimate Hollywood corpus, which makes me think they may have been porn (aka adult films). If you are going to bait a honey trap with an actress, who better than someone trying to make it in porn? Real actresses might have moral reservations. You need someone willing to follow the script. "He raped me repeatedly during our 10 year love affair because Hillary is a giant lesbo too busy plotting how to kill Vince Foster."

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  2. "CNN Jake Tapper Rips Into State Dept's Lies and Deceit on Video Editing"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDd8yzFNXvk

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    1. cicero

      Just once I will let you in on how things happen. It was a republican operative that caused the video to be edited.

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    2. That would be news to Jen Psaki. She could use a patsy.

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  3. Bob is such an embarassment.

    Trump's "chances are helped by the passage shown below from The New Yorker's Amy Davidson."

    Let's see. Davidson, writing in a publication read mostly by liberals, did not write what Bob Somerby says she did. In fact, she correctly says Gennifer Flowers in 1992 "had regaled a tabloid with stories of her affair with Bill." That is a fact.

    Should Davidson have added that those stories were mostly untrue? Perhaps. But why? That had nothing to do with the point of her article, as Bob fans often howl in comments whenever their blogger boy is criticized. (Bob fans will have to read the article to find out what her point was. Bob disappeared it because it wasn't the point of his post.)

    Those tales with which Ms. Flowers regaled a tabloid did not prevent Bill Clinton from being nominated or elected in 1992 or re-elected in 1996.

    But a sentence, misinterpreted by Bob Somerby, written in 2016 about those events a quarter of a century ago helps Donald Trump's chances? Give everyone a break Bob. Stop making a fool of yourself in print.

    By the same logic I could now assert Bob Somerby almost caused a half dozen devoted Hillary supportes to tear their hair out.

    Later I must remember to add a dozen comments over time about how Bob almost made Clinton supporters bald.

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    1. "Should Davidson have added that those stories were mostly untrue?"

      Yes, she should.

      Flowers also accused the Clintons of killing Vince Foster. Do you think that was harmless, OK because Clinton got elected, or because it happened so long ago?

      Has it escaped your notice that Hillary Clinton is now running for office and that these revived attacks are being made on her? Do you think Trump would use them if he didn't think they would damage her chances?

      This is how accusations become accepted facts -- through unquestioning repetition. That's why the reporter needs to include the truth. So the truth gets repeated as often as the lie.

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    2. Actually, if I'd read that article, I would have come away with the impression that Flowers had had an affair with Clinton. It *should* have read "regaled a tabloid with an alleged affair with Clinton". One word makes a large difference.

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    3. Actually if you read the comment @ 1:57 and came away with the impression that its point was to spark your debate about the accuracy of Davidson's statement, you have the kind of mushy intellect that makes you think intellectual culture is melting.

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    4. Anytime you write about Jennfier
      Flowers you should also say "Clinton admitted he tried to grope her, a form of sexual assault with which he was also accused by Kathleen Willey and others." In the name of accuracy, of course.

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    5. Alleged.

      Whether it was assault depends on whether it was consensual. These women, who lack credibility because of the many demonstrable lies they have told and the money they have been paid, are alleging the groping was unwanted, unencouraged. I find that extremely unlikely given the circumstances, which do matter.

      Clinton admitted having sex with her. Are you also suggesting that was rape? There is no evidence that is true either. Consensual sex without some groping is difficult to accomplish. It makes her accusation sound kind of silly. In the case of Kathleen Willey, it sounds a lot like she willfully misinterpreted a hug, for the sake of the partisan cause.

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  4. Tell me again, who did Hillary have sex with?

    This is what someone like Trump does when he has no legitimate accomplishments, plans or policies to campaign on. I agree with Somerby that the press should not be aiding this.

    People seem to think an accusation is a conviction. So many accusations have been brought against both Clintons, all investigated thoroughly, and nothing has stuck because they are clean politicians. They have to be when they live under a microscope like this.

    My favorite accusation is the one about Hillary decorating the White House Christmas tree with dildos. Before you repeat it anywhere -- it is false (FALSE).

    What an enormous waste of energy, manpower, resources this never-ending series of attacks has been. How could that time have been better spent? Why are the Republicans only spoilers, not people with solutions? Much as Bernie has now become a spoiler, trying to take down a person who is so close to him in politics that the differences are trivial, simply because she is not him. And now using the Republican playbook to do it -- too tired to think up his own accusations apparently.

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    1. One problem is "News" like The NEW(s) York Times and Fox NEW(s) profit and benefit from all kinds of embellishment and misinformation and then foolish people like Anonymous June 3, 2016 at 1:57 PM say stupid shit like "Liberals read the NY Times". It's more like BULLSHIT is put in the NY Times and repeated without clarification and losers like Anonymous June 3, 2016 at 1:57 PM say, "SEE, Liberal Media NY Times" and false narratives get advanced. I don't like Judith Miller and Dick Cheney [pronounced CHEE-KNEE] running news narratives... THAT is why so many innocent people are DEAD in IRAQ after 9/11/2001. Oh, wait... is it too soon bring THAT unfortunate business up? Well, the DAVIDSONS and AMY CHOCICKS and MAUREEn DOWDS are terrible writers and I hate when they call them LIBERAL MEDIA. I have no idea what LIBERAL MEDIA is. I can't find it... unless you are talking WATERGATE or IRAN CONTRA or BAYLOR!

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  6. Trump uses the National Enquirer to do this dirty work. According to: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/10/trumps-alliance-with-the-national-enquirer.html

    "Trump and Enquirer CEO David Pecker have been friends for years. “They’re very close,” said a source close to the Enquirer. In July 2013, Trump even tweeted that Pecker should become CEO of Time magazine, which at the time was being spun off from its corporate parent, Time Warner. “He’d make it exciting and win awards!”

    This person also said that Trump’s campaign was a source for the article: “His campaign provided information that was used,” [in a hit piece against Ben Carson] he explained. A Trump friend said that in the days leading up to the article’s publication Trump was telling people that Carson “had a lot of medical malpractice suits” and “almost killed a guy.”

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    "The tabloid has also gone after Hillary Clinton, of course. A series of cover stories has alleged that Clinton is on her deathbed and is “engaging in a massive cover-up about her health.” The Enquirer claims she is suffering from strokes, brain cancer, depression, alcoholism, multiple sclerosis, endometriosis, and paranoia, among other dire conditions.

    Meanwhile, Trump has been exclusively celebrated in the Enquirer’s pages. As talk of a Trump candidacy heated up last winter, the tabloid published an article headlined “Trump’s the One!” that reported him leading in the polls. In September, the Enquirer published a three-part series by Trump himself under the headline “The Man Behind the Legend!”

    Trump’s scandal-filled personal life would be yuge! for the supermarket tabloid, but to the Enquirer, it seems, friendship is forever."

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    Somerby is correct that it matters what journalists do. The National Enquirer has broken some true stories so it gets attention. That makes these defamatory stories more effective. When the mainstream press behaves like the National Enquirer, furthering the interests of those who attack other politicians (whether Trump against Carson or the age-old conservative attack on Clinton), they are behaving no better than the National Enquirer.

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