Having said that, good God: We don't normally post on Sundays. Having said that, good God!
Perusing the New York Times on-line, we encountered this headline and synopsis linked to a hard-copy front-page report:
Trump Has a Strong Economy to Proclaim. In Wisconsin, It Just Might Work.Lord god of hosts and good God!
With good job creation and low unemployment, the president may have a winning message—if he can stay on it—in crucial swing counties near the Mississippi River.
The election in question occurs next year—late in the year at that! It's a big dish of crazy to be making assessments like this, on page A1, roughly eighteen months out.
The savants and soothsayers failed to predict the last election the night before it occurred. Bloodied but completely unbowed, they've quickly returned to the types of behaviors Future Press Critics sadly describe as "the complete total pointlessness wars."
As least as far as we bothered to read, nothing said in that front-page report can be stamped "untrue." That said, the report begins with an assessment by apparent Wisconsin voter Bubba Benson (sic), "who lives paycheck to paycheck but says that is still better than where he was a few years ago," and fairly quickly reduces us to this:
She believes that Wisconsin—where 22,000 votes separated Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton in 2016—"could go either way" in next year’s election.Interesting! The election could go either way in the state of Wisconsin next year!
We stopped reading at that point. That assessment came from NAME WITHHELD, "a Democratic pollster who has worked in Wisconsin and throughout the Midwest."
Future Anthropologists Huddled in Caves (TM), a disconsolate group of future scholars who report to us from the aftermath of Mister Trump's Multiply Triggered War, offered the obvious critique of this latest Hamptons-based groaner. Their statement came in a press release from the group's official press organ:
FAHIC NEWS: As humans, we were always wired to behave in these ways. It will be fatuous "horse race" coverage all the way down. Anthropologically speaking, this is simply the way we humans were made, adjusting for corporate influence.On cable, they'll show you their polls then say it's way too early!
Only the polls and The Chase are discussed. Eventually, Mister Trump's War!
"The savants and soothsayers failed to predict the last election the night before it occurred"
ReplyDeleteUm, Bob, with all due respect - and total agreement with your contempt for the goebbelsian liberal media - "the president may have a winning message" is nowhere near 'predicting election'.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong at all with saying that the economy is good and that helps the incumbent. It's a perfectly normal, if trivial, point to make.
A front page story?
DeleteWell, yeah, good point. Panicking, and rallying their pet zombies, I guess.
Delete"liberal media"?
DeleteWTF are you babbling about? This is from the Right-wing New York Times, not Mother Jones Magazine.
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Hard to understand why this story appeared today. My bet would be that the polling company put out a press release and the NY Times was short on good news, since this is mother's day and you wouldn't want to harsh the holiday vibe.
ReplyDeleteBut is Somerby so ambivalent about his own mother that he needed to post this today, breaking his own habit of skipping Sundays in order to write about nothing, just as the NY Times did. Was Somerby perhaps putting off calling or driving to see his mom? He might ask himself why, or perhaps she is not around any more and he is just filling empty hours and trying to avoid those messy feelings that arise when he thinks about her, as this day must cause him to do.
When mom doesn't cook what is there to eat but take-out nothing-burgers. Another writer might have put up something about his mom and how she made his life better. Or Kevin Drum would put up more wildflowers. Somerby gives us this.
You mothers are hard to please.
Delete2:11 PM,
DeleteProject much?
Somerby's mother is long deceased. He's discussed aspects of his relationship with her a dozen, if not dozens of times in at this blog. Here's an instance of him doing so LINK.
(Too bad about your issues 2:11 PM, but think about it, here you're being gratuitously nasty.)
I remember this post, but I don't remember him talking about her dozens of times. He doesn't say she is deceased. Calling a mom "sainted" doesn't mean she has passed away. It means she is long-suffering, like a saint. It is an Irish cliche.
DeleteHow many Irish people does it take to change their mother's light bulb. None. She will say "Don't bother about me. You young people go out and have fun. I'll just sit here in the dark until you get back."
In this case, he talks about whether the story of how his parents met is true or incorrectly remembered. That isn't anything to do with his relationship with his mother.
How many times is Somerby gratuitously nasty? Every day, pretty much. How many times does he say something offensive toward someone I care about? Pretty often. How often does he defend someone I dislike? Nearly every day. The last straw was what he said about Roy Moore and it being OK for older men to poach young girls if their mothers approve of it. I think Somerby has a lot of screws loose and I dislike him a lot. I would say it to his face, if I knew the man.
So, the word "gratuitously" doesn't apply here. He has said some pretty nasty things himself about women who are working mothers, such as Stormy Daniels, whose main lapse in judgment was to sleep with Donald Trump, an act that was not done for money, not illegal, and not adulterous for her (although it was for Trump). But somehow Daniels is the wrongdoer because Somerby retains that Irish prudishness that blames the woman for men's sexual sins, no doubt taught to him by his mother and the church.
When you wish your own mother a Happy Mother's Day, do you do it by sending her a longish Chomsky quote? Or do you buy a card and just put your name on it? Bet she would like to hear you say something yourself and wouldn't care if you misspelled any words.
CMike, the word "project" in Freudian terms refers to revealing one's inner dynamics by attributing them to others. When I speculated about Somerby, I was not saying anything about my own relationship with my own now deceased mom, or my relationship with my own daughter still living. Somerby is not a mom, so it would be hard for me to project my own feelings onto him.
DeleteThe term you are probably looking for is mind reading. There is a long tradition of analyzing the dynamics of authors by interpreting their writings. When someone publishes, they open the door to it. You are welcome to disagree with anything I said about Somerby's motives, but he is fair game.
A man's relationships with women tend to reflect his attitudes toward and relationship with his own mother. Somerby clearly dislikes women, from his writings here over time. It is a short step to conclude he has problems with mom. It is an even shorter step to conclude that might by why he has out-of-the-blue posted today when he otherwise never posts on Sundays. Maybe he couldn't face going to church and seeing the happy families making a fuss over their moms. It doesn't take a genius to see that something is up. He could have written about that but instead he treats us to another attack on an innocuous article in the NY Times.
Have you called your mother yet? You probably should.
I remember this post, but I don't remember him talking about her dozens of times. He doesn't say she is deceased. Calling a mom "sainted" doesn't mean she has passed away. It means she is long-suffering, like a saint. It is an Irish cliche.
DeleteEdna Somerby died in November, 1993 at age 80. (That's a fact whether or not you can find it in that 2017 post.)
5:02 PM explains:
DeleteCMike, the word "project" in Freudian terms refers to revealing one's inner dynamics by attributing them to others.
Previously, Encyclopedia Britannica had speculated:
Projection is a form of defense in which unwanted feelings are displaced onto another person, where they then appear as a threat from the external world. A common form of projection occurs when an individual, threatened by his own angry feelings, accuses another of harbouring hostile thoughts. LINK
5:02 PM assures us:
When I speculated about Somerby, I was not saying anything about my own relationship with my own now deceased mom, or my relationship with my own daughter still living.
Well, that settles that then. The patient would know.
CMike,
DeleteProjection is the basis of Right-wing claims.
Remember: Every Right-wing accusation is a confession.
According to Freud, everyone is a patient. We all make a bargain with our id.
DeleteI remember this post, but I don't remember him talking about her dozens of times. He doesn't say she is deceased. Calling a mom "sainted" doesn't mean she has passed away. It means she is long-suffering, like a saint. It is an Irish cliche.
DeleteIn the Catholic tradition, sainted means recognized as a saint. And for that to happen one must be in heaven. Or for non-believers, dead. There is no requirement that saints be long-suffering, only that they lead lives of extraordinary virtue and have performed at least two attested miracles.
Your light-bulb joke is usually attributed to Jewish mothers, not Irish.
CMike @5:16P and @5:41P
DeletePerfect form!
I am awarding you the ears and the tail.
The last straw was what he said about Roy Moore and it being OK for older men to poach young girls if their mothers approve of it.
DeleteI’ve warned you about repeating this lie before. You should stop doing it.
Poach means to steal in a secret and underhanded way, especially animals that belong to someone else or who are under official protection. Nice metaphor for young women.
The women TDH was talking about were young, 19, but were thereby adults. The law grants them agency, even to the extent of doing things you find creepy. If these adults consented to the attention of the Gadsden Mall Creeper, and especially, if this was so out in the open that the adults’ mothers approved, then it’s pretty much none of your business.
The real story, as TDH pointed out, was that GMC was credibly accused of sexually assaulting underage girls. Now that’s a problem, but oddly not one you seem exercised about. Your upset is reserved for TDH telling you to stop being a bluenose.
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In my experience in society, youths in their late teens and early 20s are not really seen as adults, they are seen as relatively immature, largely because they behave so frequently in immature ways.
DeleteAgain, in my experience in society, older men going after young females in that age range is frowned upon. It is even worse if their mothers approved, I would rate this as abuse by the parent.
There are things that are legal and yet, broadly speaking, are morally objectionable. Certainly in my experience, I would say society sees this as being one of those cases, making it all the more the business of society, since laws remain silent.
@5:22,
DeleteNo one gives a shit about your “experience in society.” Quit hiding behind the passive voice. Just say that you frown upon older men “going after” (i.e,. dating) women ages 19-25. That way, I can tell you again to mind your own business.
“Society” doesn’t see this as something legal yet morally objectionable, like voting Republican. You do.
And did I tell you that nobody gives a shit that you do?
@12:32
DeleteSociety wags it's finger at old men going after young women, it is broadly seen as creepy, and even morally objectionable. This is trivial stuff.
Why am I coy with you? Maybe I'm flirting, old man.
Frankly, you seem creepy too. Maybe you are having a bad day, but the level of hostility that was triggered in you seems remarkably out-sized, considering the context. I daresay I clutched my pearls.
A creepy and morally objectionable old man once sapiently offered this tibit:
"If you go home with someone and they don't have books, don't fuck them."
Society wags it's finger at old men going after young women, it is broadly seen as creepy, and even morally objectionable. This is trivial stuff.
DeleteLet’s face it. You wag your metaphorical finger at old men “going after” young women. By young, I take it you mean 18-25, and by “going after,” I take it you mean openly proposing a romantic and sexual relationship. If I’ve misjudged, I apologize.
Every state in the union except Nebraska and Mississippi allows anyone 18 or older to get married on their own. (The former says 19; the latter 21.) Every state allows younger people to get married with judicial and parental consent. Some set statutory limits, a couple as low as 14. About a dozen states don’t set any age limit at all.
May-December marriages have long been with us, long enough to have their own monicker. William Douglas was 67 when he married his third wife, who was 23. Republicans suggested he be impeached. I assume you approve.
Why am I coy with you? Maybe I'm flirting, old man.
Were you being coy? Your comments seem pretty straightforward and on topic. It never occurred to me that you were flirting. How do you know I’m old? Or a man for that matter. If I’m a straight man, how would I know you’re a woman and someone who would flirt with me?
Yours is a very odd comment.
Frankly, you seem creepy too.
For pointing out your ridiculous, self-centered Puritanism?
Oh, well. I turns out you’re right. I'm creepier than you know. So what?
Maybe you are having a bad day, but the level of hostility that was triggered in you seems remarkably out-sized, considering the context.
Maybe, maybe not, but the hostility is all in your head. I don’t know anything about you except the nonsense you write. I don’t waste emotion on people I don’t know. Just my time, which is after all, mine to waste.
I daresay I clutched my pearls.
You did? Why?
A creepy and morally objectionable old man once sapiently offered this tibit:
"If you go home with someone and they don't have books, don't fuck them."
I don’t believe you. High school sophomores have books. Textbooks.
Every state in the union also allow tons of toxic chemicals to be dumped into our environment, causing large scale pubic health issues. Racism and sexism have been with us for a long time, even permitted by states except for in narrowly defined instances.
DeleteYour arguments are unconvincing, but most of your comments do not offer arguments, they are defending your own comments that others deem silly, idiotic, etc. Those others make more convincing arguments. You get attacked here a lot and I am sure it is not fun to be under attack and no doubt you'll claim they are clueless and that you don't care anyway, but clearly they have gotten under your skin and you care quite a bit. That's ok, you are human, most likely.
You have an unfortunate tendency to just make things up. Every state? How many tons of toxic chemicals do you think Wyoming dumps into the environment?
DeleteYou also have an unfortunate tendency to adopt arguments that work against you. Most states have enacted tougher laws on drunk driving. The laws we have are an imperfect measure, but they aren’t a bad indicator of what society considers tolerable and intolerable.
Yes, racism and sexism have been re-energized in this country, to the point that I fear that it would not be possible for a black man or a white woman to win the Presidency. But that should tell you what this society finds morally permissible. Likewise the pairing of young adult women and old men. I had hope that we were beyond the coercing of women by men, but I’m having my doubts. That you find these things deplorable in no way means that the majority does.
Limit your statements to their applicability. It’s not that my arguments are unconvincing; it’s that you remain unconvinced by them. Don’t say that my comments don’t offer arguments; say that you can’t counter them. Don’t offer that “others” make more convincing arguments; admit that you can’t make your own convincing arguments and are partial to those who take your side.
And with regard to the last, how many have joined your jihad against older men dating young, adult women?
I do get criticized here — attack seems a bit harsh for a blog comment section — but not as much as our Village Idiot David in Cal or our Village Troll Mao Cheng Ji. Whatever comes my way is at least partially due to my unwillingness to be cordial in the face of ignorance. But that’s pretty much my choice.
It’s certainly no fun to be actually attacked, but do you really think the criticism I earn here causes me any anguish? Why would I care what’s said by people I don’t know and who don’t know me, and whom I consider ignorant to boot?
Is this just projection on your part? Have my comments hurt you? I’ve tried to direct them at your words, not at you personally.
Are my opponents clueless? Some of them, notably David in Cal. At least one of them is my own personal troll, and he (or she) is pretty clever. Another has adopted my nym, and he’s downright funny. A third comments as a lawyer, and he’s sharp, although I don’t disagree with him very often.
How do you know they’ve “gotten under my skin”? There are certainly people whose opinion I value and whose bad opinion would hurt me. Trust me, none comments on this blog. Is this more projection?
I care enough to spend my time writing comments, but that’s because I love the sound of my own voice. And, as I’ve said, it’s my time to waste as I choose. But who “cares” about random voices in cyberspace? Do you?
Most likely human? What’s the other choice? Although as I noted on another thread, how do you know I’m not a group of students doing a project for a class in some university’s Media and Communications Department?
I don’t mind talking about myself. In fact, it’s a favorite subject of mine. It puzzles me, however, why you would want to.
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