Elizabeth Warren really takes it to Trump!

THURSDAY, AUGUST 8, 2019

Draws even with Beto O'Rourke:
Candidate Warren really took it to Donald J. Trump today.

According to the New York Times,
she said that yes, he is a white supremacist. According to the Times, this brings her even with Candidate O'Rourke.

She said he is a white supremacist. She then explained why she says that:
KAPLAN (8/8/19): “He has given aid and comfort to white supremacists,” Ms. Warren said during a campaign swing in western Iowa. “He’s done the wink and a nod. He has talked about white supremacists as fine people. He’s done everything he can to stir up racial conflict and hatred in this country.”
"He has talked about white supremacists as fine people." Our team enjoys such claims.

Just for what was, at one time, naively described as "the record," Trump said this, among other things, at the Trump Tower press event on the day to which Warren refers:

"And you had people—and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

Trump said that, and several things like it, in the exchanges that day. We offer that for the sake of what was once known as "the record."

Especially at tribalized times like these, many things you hear again and again are embellished, novelized tales. That's true of things you hear on Fox. It's true of a few of the favorite things you hear over here in our tribe.

We regard Donald J. Trump as disordered and dangerous. We regard our floundering species as heavily fiction-based and reflexively tribal.

We split into tribes and create favored tales. That's just basic anthropology, almost all the way down.

Another basic example: To hear John McWhorter discuss the shooting of Michael Brown, you can just click here.

He speaks with Slate's Mary Harris. To read the transcript of their discussion, you can just click this.

14 comments:

  1. Yes, it brings Warren even with O’Rourke.

    Of course, in the same article:
    “Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, another leading candidate for the Democratic nomination, also believes Mr. Trump is a white supremacist. Mr. Sanders was asked on CNN on Sunday if he believed the president was “a white supremacist or a white nationalist,” and Mr. Sanders replied, “I do.” A senior campaign official confirmed on Thursday that Mr. Sanders believed Mr. Trump was both.”

    We also have, from the article:
    “In a speech in Iowa on Wednesday, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. argued that Mr. Trump had “fanned the flames of white supremacy in this nation.”

    Biden said this in a speech just yesterday:

    “When he said after Charlottesville there were, and I quote, “very fine people on both sides”, I said, then it gave license and safe harbor to white supremacists and Neo Nazis and the Klu Klux Klan.”

    The first question is why Somerby only attacks Warren.

    The second question is why Somerby fails to credit Warren’s other justifications for her views:
    -He has given aid and comfort to white supremacists,
    -He’s done the wink and a nod.
    -He’s done everything he can to stir up racial conflict and hatred in this country.
    , and Somerby fails to note that she made the remarks “in a brief interview.”

    The third question is why Somerby thinks his notional version of the so-called “record” so clearly exonerates Trump for his Charlottesville remarks. It does not.

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  2. TDH does media. The post is about the quality of analysis in the media.

    That’s why this post is a criticism of famous newspaper columnist and TV pundit Elizabeth Warren.

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  3. What a scum that woman is.

    And you know why? Because if making a career by being "the only woman of color" at Harvard Law School works so well, bringing only the admiration of her zombie followers, then why not? Then anything goes.

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  4. “And you had people—and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

    This statement by Trump should be all we need to go on that Trump is not a white supremacist. After all, there is no larger context outside this one small statement in which to judge his attitudes. And his relationship to the truth is quite well known.

    Thus saith Somerby.

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  5. Three questions about Democrats' claim that Trump is a white nationalist
    1. Is it true?
    2. What's its effect politically?
    3. What's its effect on society as a whole?

    My answers
    1. It's not true. The only supposed evidence is a doctored quote.

    2. Politically, it energizes both sides. The net results might be a negative for the Democrats, although malicious lies have worked in politics from time immemorial.

    3. The effect on society is more polarization. Liberals will believe the claim, strengthening their opposition to Trump and his followers. Conservatives will disbelieve the claim, strengthening their opposition to liberals who spread (what they see as) malicious lies.

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    1. 1. There is a great deal of evidence, from his giving the White Supremacist sign during a speech to his retweeting of memes and statements by white supremacists, to his agreement with doctrine held by white supremacists, to his suppression of women including his own wife. You, David, are not the arbiter of truth. The facts speak for themselves.

      2. The main political effect is that having such a person as president is an affront to our constitution and the values of our forefathers and the principles upon which our nation was built and to which it still adheres. Beyond that, partisanship that promotes white supremacy is treason and an abrogation of the rights of citizens and residents of our country.

      3. The effect on society is to encourage white supremacists to engage in violence to take what they cannot persuade people to give them, starting with legitimacy. Deaths of innocent people are part of the white supremacist war to take back and protect what they believe they deserve. These are extremists with a violent agenda. They must not be supported in any way without harm to our society.

      David, you are so far from any reality that there is no basis for communication with you. I don't know why you would write stuff like this. Is this what you are being fed on the right?

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    2. It's not so much David is an idiot (he totally is), but more that Trump's bigotry gets David excited and happy.

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    3. David is master of making lists. He even numbers his points so everyone is clear about how many points he's making. It is all so very neat.

      I have been hesitant to label Donald J Chickenshit a racist. A fucking ignorant corrupt lying sack of shit miserable emotionally stunted COWARD? Yes, of course. But a racist? I was somewhat dubious and was more persuaded that we were witnessing pure undiluted ignorance.

      Until I watched a video yesterday of little girl coming home from her first day of school in Mississippi only to find her parents had been rounded up by ICE on Trump's orders.

      Now I am convinced he is a fucking racist monster. If there is a hell, that fucking racist bastard has a guaranteed reservation with Satan. Fuck you, David.

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  6. McWhorter seems to undermine Somerby's argument that we all split into tribes. Wikipedia describes his politics:

    "McWhorter characterizes himself as "a cranky liberal Democrat". In support of this description, he states that while he "disagree[s] sustainedly with many of the tenets of the Civil Rights orthodoxy," he also "supports Barack Obama, reviles the War on Drugs, supports gay marriage, never voted for George Bush and writes of Black English as coherent speech". McWhorter additionally notes that the conservative Manhattan Institute, for which he worked, "has always been hospitable to Democrats".[10] McWhorter has criticized left-wing and activist educators in particular, such as Paulo Freire and Jonathan Kozol.[11] He believes that affirmative action should be based on class rather than race.[12] One author identifies McWhorter as a radical centrist thinker.[13]

    McWhorter is an atheist.[14] Yet, is also a Darwinian evolution skeptic.[15]

    In April 2015, McWhorter appeared on NPR and claimed that the use of the word "thug" was becoming code for "the N-word" or "black people ruining things" when used by whites in reference to criminal activity.[16][17] He added that use by President Obama and former Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (for which she later apologized) could not be interpreted in the same way, given that the black community's use of "thug" may positively connote admiration for black self-direction and survival. McWhorter clarified his views in an article in the Washington Post.[17]"

    This sounds like someone who takes a little from column A and a little from column B and creates his own ideologies instead of adopting any point of view whole cloth.

    I have generally considered him a conservative because he worked for a conservative institution and because he so frequently argues on behalf of conservative issues and viewpoints. He doesn't fit on the left, in my opinion. But his support for Obama and his views on drugs and so on are not pure right either, so perhaps he is more of a libertarian. They seem to be the part of the right that is most tolerant of idiosyncrasy.

    But the tribalism is purely missing from McWhorter's resume. The best evidence that he is a right-winger is that David in Cal cites him so frequently. But saying that is pretty tribal, true though it is.

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  8. We keep hearing from people like you that when he said there were fine people on both sides he wasn't referring to the NAZIs and racists but the problem with that is that those were the only people on the one side. The people who merely wanted the monuments to remain stayed away because they wanted nothing to do with those people.

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    1. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/us/politics/trump-republicans-race.html

      “Good people can go to Charlottesville,” said Michelle Piercy, a night shift worker at a Wichita, Kan., retirement home, who drove all night with a conservative group that opposed the planned removal of a statue of the Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

      After listening to Mr. Trump on Tuesday, she said it was as if he had channeled her and her friends — all gun-loving defenders of free speech, she said, who had no interest in standing with Nazis or white supremacists: “It’s almost like he talked to one of our people.”

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    2. After arriving and seeing who she would be marching with, did this woman still join in? If so, she is showing that she has no problem standing shoulder to shoulder with scum.

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