THE FALL: Michael Flynn's anthropology lesson!

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2022

Professor Johnson errs: A few days back, we mentioned the fact that we'd been watching a new Frontline program, Michael Flynn's Holy War.

At several junctures, the journalism on display is perhaps a wee bit odd. But strangest of all is the conduct of Flynn. We'll let Peter Wehner explain.

Wehner is a high-ranking conservative NeverTrumper. In a new piece for The Atlantic, he describes the current behavior of Flynn—his ongoing "holy war."

Wehner's profile of Flynn reminds us of a basic fact—our nation's political discourse over the past thirty years has increasingly become an anthropology lesson. 

It has been a lesson in what we humans are actually like, as opposed to the ways we've always described ourselves. The shortfalls on display have been remarkable—and these shortfalls have been on display in the conduct of both major tribes.

What sorts of shortfalls are on display in Michael Flynn's ongoing war? At the very start of his essay, Wehner describes a prayer which was offered at a recent Flynn event:

WEHNER (10/25/22): A prayer at a “ReAwaken America” event in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, a few days ago, at which Michael Flynn appeared, captured the sensibilities of this moment: “Father God, we come to you in the name of Jesus. We’re asking you to open the eyes of President Trump’s understanding, that he will know the time of divine intervention. He will know how to implement divine intervention. And you will surround him, Father, with none of this deep-state trash, none of this RINO trash. You surround him, people that you pick, with your own mighty hand. In the name of Jesus.”

Dear Lord, deliver us from this "Deep State trash." So the prayer (angrily) prayed, as you can see at this link.

As Wehner continues, he starts sketching the basics of Flynn's "holy war." We'd call this an education—an anthropology lesson:

WEHNER (continuing directly): Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general who once led the Defense Intelligence Agency, resigned as President Donald Trump’s national security adviser after less than a month for allegedly misleading the vice president, and then pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. (He later filed to withdraw his guilty plea, insisting that he had been set up by the FBI, and was eventually pardoned by Trump.)

Flynn has been embraced by MAGA world in part because he’s seen as a martyr, the victim of a “deep state” hit job. But what turned him into a rock star on the right was the post-pardon chapter of his life, as the Associated Press’s Michelle Smith points out in the recently broadcast Frontline documentary “Michael Flynn’s Holy War.” It was then that Flynn, whom a former military colleague describes as being susceptible to “extreme thinking”—fully took up residence in a world of fantasy and illusion, of crazed conspiracy theories and disinformation.

Flynn didn’t just claim that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump; he floated the idea of having Trump declare martial law and try to “rerun” the election. He suggested that the president should seize voting machines. And he said that the election involved “probably the greatest fraud that our country has ever experienced in our history.” At an event in Arizona last month, Flynn said, “Did you know that a governor can declare war? A governor can declare war. And we’re going to probably see that.”

Flynn has also asserted that COVID-19 was unleashed intentionally by global elitists in order to “rule the world,” “control humanity,” and “steal an election.” He has warned about the dangers of a “new world order” in which people such as Bill Gates, George Soros, and World Economic Forum Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab “have an intent to track every single one of us, and they use it under the skin. They use a means by which it’s under the skin.”

"Today, Michael Flynn is building a nationwide, grassroots movement that is fusing deranged political ideas with a mangled version of the Christian faith," Wehner soon opines. 

Flynn's ideas are "deranged," Wehner says. For ourselves, we'd offer this:

Watching footage of Flynn at his various rallies, we can't help wondering if General Flynn is some version of (severely) "mentally ill."

That said, we aren't medical specialists. We have no expertise—none at all—when it comes to the task of making such assessments.

Having said that, we would also say this:

The religiosity tied up in Flynn's work suggests a major anthropology lesson. A bit later on, Wehner offers this account of Flynn's current mission, quoting the Frontline program:

WEHNER: In November, Flynn told a packed sanctuary at Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, “If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion. One nation under God and one religion under God.” He has described this as “a moment in time where this is good versus evil.”

“Mike Flynn has emerged as a martyr and a mascot for the far-right contingent of the Christian-nationalist movement in the United States,” Samuel Perry, a sociology professor at the University of Oklahoma, a scholar of Christian nationalism, and himself a person of the Christian faith, told Frontline.

That's what Professor Perry told Frontline. For better or worse, the role of religiosity here flies in the face of conventional portraits, in which we humans have long admiringly referred to ourselves as "the rational animal."

How many people agree with Flynn? How many people think "we have to have one nation under God," but also "one religion?" 

We have no idea what the answer would be. We do know that an anthropology lesson is involved. 

In theory, that lesson could let us form a fuller understanding of our true human nature. It might give us a batter idea how to emerge from this mess.

Yesterday morning, on Morning Joe, we saw several manifestations of the daunting mess our floundering nation faces. 

On the one hand, we saw videotape from a recent focus group conducted with ten Trump voters. (One of the ten had voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, then had voted for Trump four years later.)

You can watch two chunks of videotape from that focus group. At the Morning Joe site, they appear beneath these headings:

Pittsburgh Trump voters say they would vote for him again

Trump voters in focus group say he couldn't have stopped Jan. 6 violence

As we watch the videotape, we see people repeating an array of claims we would regard as inaccurate or unfounded. A lot of anger seems to be present.

That said, it's clear that these people believe these claims. It's clear that these people aren't "lying."

They've heard the claims again and again, from Trump himself and from various "news" sources. As a general matter, the claims in question aren't visibly "crazy." There's just no reason to think that the claims are actually true.

In our view, the red tribe currently swims in a sea of false and unfounded beliefs. 

There are also beliefs which seem to be crazy. And within some parts of that red tribe, the religiosity appears.

On that same Morning Joe show, we saw David French report some things he was recently told by some pro-Trump neighbors based on their religious beliefs. Some of these statements seem to enter the zone of the "crazy." Here comes that anthropology lesson again!

As we've occasionally noted, we humans aren't the rational animal, and we never were. That said, breakdowns of the type we're describing also afflict our own blue tribe—the only tribe whose unhelpful behavior we can instantly change.

Yesterday afternoon, we saw Professor Johnson, on Deadline: White House, offering thoughts about The Others. We also saw Nicolle Wallace supporting his badly flawed claims.

Professor Johnson is well intentioned, but his statements were deeply unwise. They help define the way our own self-impressed tribe has failed in this dangerous era. 

The problem isn't all Over There as our nation slides toward the sea. Our own tribe's manifestations are often badly flawed, deeply unwise.

We thought the professor (and Wallace) were badly off track. What kinds of manifestations are these, we'd ask, which go from bad to worse? 

Tomorrow: What David French reported; what Professor Johnson said


28 comments:



  1. "Dear Lord, deliver us from this "Deep State trash.""

    Well, and can you blame him, dear Bob, for being seriously pissed, after what he suffered from them? From your liberal-hitlerian tribe, that is.

    ...judge not lest ye be judged, as a wise fella said.

    ...and also: what goes around comes around, y'know...

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  2. "The shortfalls on display have been remarkable—and these shortfalls have been on display in the conduct of both major tribes."

    Statements like this reflect Somerby's essential bothsiderism. The right is not the same as the left (and vice versa). Misbehavior (which Somerby calls shortfalls) is much greater on the right. If there were not serious problems on the right, there would not be so many "never-Trump" conservatives speaking out against their own party. There is no equivalent to that on the left.

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    1. This particular blog utterly proves that Somerby does not read the comment section.

      Anonymices use dramatic, cartoonish, stilted, and overblown rhetoric every day. They are constantly and flamboyantly denouncing their devils.

      When they aren’t sounding like King Lear, they’re sounding grandiose.

      When they’re not grandiose, they are priggish. When they’re not priggish, they are histrionic.

      One commenter wrote that anonymices are “painful” to read.

      Painfully asinine is my take on it.

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    2. Fascinating to watch Cesillyia embody that on the nose meme of "every right wing accusation is a confession", just fascinating - anthropologists, gather around, come and see!

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    3. Anonymouse6:36pm, not even close.

      Worst I’ve said is that anonymices are dumb and have a hive mentality.

      I have not said that about regular liberals. I’ve not called anyone evil, traitorous, or scum.

      Here’s one for your embroidery collection: Every anonymouse accusation is bilge.

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    4. Cecelia (aka piece of shit), you don’t belong here and no one believes you have read King Lear. You wouldn’t talk about him that way if you had. It is also highly likely you don’t know what bilge is. Like rock-stupid Boebert, your mistakes might be funny, but I dislike you too much for that. Mistreating mh isn’t going to earn you any points around here. Time for you to stop drinking and go to bed now.

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  3. "Watching footage of Flynn at his various rallies, we can't help wondering if General Flynn is some version of (severely) "mentally ill."

    That said, we aren't medical specialists. We have no expertise—none at all—when it comes to the task of making such assessments.

    Having said that, we would also say this:

    The religiosity tied up in Flynn's work suggests a major anthropology lesson."

    1. The connection between mental illness and religiosity has been well known as long as mental illness has been studied. This isn't Somerby notion -- it is part of mental illness.

    2. Why does Somerby attribute this to anthropology instead of psychiatry? Anthropology does not study abnormal behavior by individuals, nor does it treat it, nor does it try to explain it. Somerby's continual references to anthropology are specious and ignore the content of various fields of expertise. It is as if he were invoking a form of magic by talking about anthropologists -- the only form of expertise he is willing to accept, while at the same time ignoring the actual content of that field of knowledge.

    3. It isn't cute to talk about serious matters this way. It muddies the discussion of anything serious. Note that Somerby is now using almost exactly the same language to talk about Flynn as he earlier used to describe Trump, and similarly urging that Flynn be pitied (excused) for his disturbed behavior, as Somerby urged for Trump.

    It doesn't matter whether Flynn or Trump are disturbed when it comes to stopping them from engaging in illegal behavior that is damaging to our country, such as urging governors to declare war (against whom?). Flynn resigned because Trump didn't want his presidency to be tained by revelations of Flynn's wrongdoing (which Trump pardoned). Flynn is far from the only crazy inhabiting Trump's administration, from the top down.

    And no, there is not anything like this happening on the left.

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  4. "For better or worse, the role of religiosity here flies in the face of conventional portraits, in which we humans have long admiringly referred to ourselves as "the rational animal.""

    Somerby is the main person who asserted that people are "the rational animal," citing Aristotle, a long dead Greek philosopher who got many things wrong in his writings. The rest of us wouldn't be inclined to refer to humans as animals, much less pretend that we are "rational" in a logical Greek sense, when cognitive psychology established back in the 1960s that people do not reason the way formal logic (used in philosophy and mathematics) does. People reason probabilistically, thinking in terms of likelihoods determined by prior experience. Several psychologists won Nobel Prizes for exploring how people actually reason and make decisions. (There is no Nobel Prize in psychology, because the field didn't exist when the prizes were established, but psychologists win in other fields such as economics and medicine.)

    Somerby, for some odd reason, seems never to have read a psychology book, never have taken a class in psychology, and has only ever mentioned it by referring to Bandy Lee (a psychiatrist who considers Trump mentally ill). He has entirely ignored the field of cognitive science in order to repeat incorrect information about how people think, over and over and over, while disparaging modern knowledge in all fields. That isn't any kind of reasoning -- it is propaganda, and one wonders why Somerby needs to disparage humanity in order to sell his points about things like whether Trump is to be pitied or prosecuted.

    This isn't even cute any more. Somerby is coming across like a deranged person himself these days. It has been a long time since he has said anything coherent, and I think this is embarrassing for him.

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  5. "That said, it's clear that these people believe these claims. It's clear that these people aren't "lying.""

    They aren't telling the truth either, especially when they repeat Trump's claims. Someone need not be "lying" in order to be wrong. And it doesn't matter one little bit whether they believe what they are saying.

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  6. "That said, breakdowns of the type we're describing also afflict our own blue tribe—the only tribe whose unhelpful behavior we can instantly change."

    There are NOT equivalents to the deranged behavior and beliefs of Trumpies existing on the left.

    If there were such equivalent beliefs, why would it be possible to instantly change our behavior when it is not possible to change behavior on the right?

    The whole point of that focus group is to show that despite all of the disconfirming evidence presented by 1/6 Committee and other sources, Trump supporters do not change their beliefs. Where is there any support for the idea that beliefs held by blue tribe members are any more malleable?

    There is nothing on Earth that would cause me to believe much less follow anything Trump says or does. That idea is abhorrent to me and it would not happen under any circumstances. After the years of vilification of left wingers, why would any Republican change his or her views to support the left?

    Somerby pretends that he is trying to help the left (as an obvious concern troll) while instead joining the noise machine to vilify us. There is no argument ever presented by Somerby to help the left -- only complaints that because of us we are all sliding into the sea. And if we are supposed to suddenly become more rational (as Somerby defines it), what exactly are we supposed to say or do to change these entrenched right wing delusions? Somerby has no suggestions, other than pitying and excusing them.

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    1. "There are NOT equivalents to the deranged behavior and beliefs of Trumpies existing on the left."

      That's right. There's nothing wrong with children's hospitals giving puberty blockers to children (puberty being the cure for gender confusion) and chopping off their breasts and balls. And men can be pregnant!

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    2. "There are NOT equivalents to the deranged behavior and beliefs of Trumpies existing on the left."

      That's right. There was Russia collusion and I don't care how many investigations for how many years prove something different.

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  7. “The problem isn't all Over There as our nation slides toward the sea. Our own tribe's manifestations are often badly flawed, deeply unwise.”

    Somerby seems unable to imagine a concerted effort by rational actors within Republican ranks to create doubt about election integrity, including but not limited to the 2020 presidential election, and what political gain that brings to them.

    He rarely mentions Steve Bannon, a major architect of the Trump presidency, but every figure he examines he winds up calling some form of deranged.

    One can argue that it is useful for Democrats to distinguish between the rank-and-file “victims” (to use Somerby’s term) who are being misled and those doing the misleading. On the other hand, the rational “elites” in the right wing who are pushing the big election lie ought to be called out for victimizing their followers and Democrats ought to state clearly that the lie is a lie, since it is being deliberately pushed by people who surely know it is wrong, that group that Somerby cannot imagine but which must nonetheless exist.

    In the specific matter of election denial, there is no equivalent on the left, and never has been. What other things Somerby claims that liberals wrongly believe is irrelevant to this question.

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  8. "Tomorrow: What David French reported; what Professor Johnson said"

    Poor Professor Johnson doesn't even get a first name. How are we to look up what he supposedly said without knowing his complete name? Johnson is a very common surname. On my first try I found articles about Boris Johnson and his problems with the French during Brexit.

    This is perhaps what Somerby saw Dr. Jason Johnson say, as it was presented on Fox News:

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/gop-engages-in-violence-against-black-people-on-regular-basis-msnbc-contributor

    I see nothing wrong with what Johnsons said about the differential impact of threats of violence against black people compared to white conservatives. Dr. Johnson is a professor of political science and has worked on various campaigns. He has been a regular contributor to MSNBC, including the Nicole Wallace show where he made the remarks excerpted and shown on Fox News.

    "Johnson’s remarks came during his appearance on Nicolle Wallace’s show as he seethed over January 6 Committee hearing testimony from an African American poll worker named Ruby Freeman.

    Freeman, a Georgia poll worker who aided in the vote count for the 2020 election, told the committee she was harassed by Trump supporters after they alleged that a video seemed to show her suspiciously inserting a USB drive into vote counting hardware as she was counting votes. "

    Would it kill Somerby to have given this man a first name? Would it hurt him to have said what specifically he objects to that Johnson said, before rushing to malign him without evidence?

    Somerby claims that he will be talking about this tomorrow, but that's what he said about Ezra and Rachel too, without ever returning to talk about that interview. These days, maligning people is all Somerby wants to do. He doesn't even need a reason -- his allegation is sufficient. And I would probably win money if I were to bet Somerby never returns to tell us what Johnson said and why he deserves to be badmouthed today.

    And this is the ONLY evidence that Somerby offers today showing that our tribe is just as off-track as Flynn when he talks about one God and one religion going to battle over Trump's presidency! Somerby is just phoning it in. The Fox viewers will have seen Johnson already. Why bother telling the blue tribe what we have supposedly done wrong in our irrationality, as off-track as the right, due to anthropology. I guess we are just supposed to KNOW what we did. Phooey on that.

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  9. I think Bob's point is that, sure, Trump is a loathsome excuse for a human being, but we don't need to use hyperbole to make him look worse than any other Republican.

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    1. Where does he say that?

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    2. It's complicated because Democrats ARE Republicans now.

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    3. 11:58 Let’s just use a Somerby phrasing: what 11:49 said seems to be what Somerby is saying. No need for specific quotes using that turn of phrase.

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    4. 12;06,
      Are you kidding?
      Democrats march lockstep with Joe Biden, the most radical Left-wing politician in world history*.

      * I took Bob's advice and listened to "the others".

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    5. No, I'm not kidding. Unfortunately.

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    6. Democrats now are no further to the left than George W Bush Republicans were.

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    7. Not quite. What George Bush said and what he did are two different things.

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    8. Trump and his followers may be loathsome, whatever, but they are a danger to a healthy and happy society so Somerby's point should be that as we call for justice for right wing corruption, embodied by Trump, let's not nitpick over trivial matters, which is all Somerby does when he is not bolstering right wingers, or denying racism, or other such nonsense.

      12:30, pretty sure 12:13 is being sarcastic.

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  10. Those focus group Trump supporters in PA seem to believe that if the President urges you to do something, then it is legal to do it. Digby says that according to them:

    "Plotting to overturn an election, battling police, sacking the Capitol, stealing state secrets … it’s all legal, by definition, if the president does it or sanctions it."

    When something is deemed legal because the President says so, that is called a dictatorship.

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    1. It seems like whitewashing this fact, to call this a "cult of personality" instead of what it is. Right now this is only in the minds of Trump followers, but if we fail to hold Trump accountable, it will become so in fact. Trump will have been treated like a dictator.

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    2. No one sacked the capitol and no one stole state secrets. No one believes Democrat lies and fantasies which is why Republicans are taking power away from these mentally deranged people.

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    3. 2:47 you are at a blog where the blogger routinely calls Trump and GOP voters delusional for believing he won the election.

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    4. 2:47,
      Ashli Babbitt's death is the January 6th cake.
      Ashli Babbitt's death not mattering one iota to any Right-winger is the January 6th frosting.

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