THE WAGES OF HATRED: Remarkably, Herschel Walker could win!

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 11, 2022

Should Jemele Hill feel "insulted?" Should Jemele Hill feel insulted by the fact that Herschel Walker is running for the Senate in Georgia—and that he may actually win?

There are no obvious rules for such things. Hill reported her reaction in a recent essay for The Atlantic which appeared beneath these headlines:

Herschel Walker’s Candidacy Is Just Insulting
The contrast with his opponent renders it all the more egregious.

For ourselves, we think that Hill may be "taking the bait" in broadcasting this reaction. That said, it isn't hard to see why Hill, and many others, are perhaps bit gobsmacked by the fact that Walker won nomination as the Republican candidate for this Senate seat.

Walker is a highly unusual candidate. And no, it doesn't just appear that way to members of the blue tribe. 

Bret Stephens is a center-right / conservative journalist of long standing. Below, you see the way he describes Walker in today's New York Times. The excerpt is drawn from his weekly "Conversation" with his center-left colleague, Gail Collins:

Bret: ...Democrats have to show they’re serious about border security. But, speaking about unseriousness, can we talk about Herschel Walker?

Gail: I know I’m acknowledging a character defect but I love to talk about Herschel Walker.

Bret: He’s so absolutely awful, so completely catastrophic, so epically embarrassing, so hilariously hypocritical, so incandescently idiotic, so stratospherically scandalous, so volcanically vomitous, that he may actually serve a purpose.

Gail: Go on, go on!

Bret: Walker’s revelatory candidacy is to today’s G.O.P. what the odor of rancid chicken is to the chicken itself: It warns you to steer clear. 

In a minor bit of dumbnification, the Times publishes the transcript of this weekly exchange on a strictly first-name basis, with plenty of jokes and humorous wordplay larded in besides. But there you see the way the Walker candidacy strikes a major figure from the center-right, albeit one who has been NeverTrump. 

It's "rancid chicken," Stephens declares. The discussion continued from there:

Bret: Walker’s revelatory candidacy is to today’s G.O.P. what the odor of rancid chicken is to the chicken itself: It warns you to steer clear. This should have been the Republican’s race to lose, simply because Georgia still elects conservatives, it’s a midterm election, the Republican governor is probably going to be re-elected, and there’s an unpopular Democratic incumbent in the White House. Instead, Walker’s candidacy looks like a cross between the Atlanta Falcons in the 2017 Super Bowl, squandering a 28-3 lead, and Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, minus the finesse.

Ugh. Now watch him win.

After savaging Walker's "rancid chicken" candidacy, Stephens comes to terms with reality, noting that Walker may win.

Assessed by traditional standards, Walker would quite possibly be the least qualified person ever elected to the Senate. 

We aren't referring to the jumbled, occasionally violent personal life on which our tribe is currently focused. We're referring to his manifest lack of preparation in the area political analysts used to describe as "the issues."

For the record, there's no requirement that Walker, or anyone else in American life, should understand basic policy issues. In truth, no one fully understands the full complement of policy issues, and very few people understand even one such issue well.

That said, most people don't run for the United States Senate, and that's what Walker is doing. His attempts to discuss some basic issues have ended in the kinds of disaster Hill describes in her essay:

HILL (10/7/22): Walker has also shown on numerous occasions that he lacks any real grasp of policy issues. At a campaign event this summer, Walker blamed China for corrupting America’s air supply. “Do you know we don’t control this air?” Walker told the audience. “No matter how much money we put in controlling our air, it goes over to China or to somewhere else, and it messes it up. All of a sudden, it comes back over here. All we’re doing is spending money.”

Some of Walker’s completely unintelligible answers to basic questions would be amusing if the Georgia Senate race weren’t so important. His victory could help tip control of the Senate to Republicans, creating ripple effects across the country—potentially including legislation to ban abortion nationwide.

This foolishness would be amusing if it didn't matter, Hill says. But rather plainly, it does matter. Gail and Bret labor on:

Gail: Well, he’d be voting with your side in the Senate. That wouldn’t make it worth something?

Bret: My side? Noooooooooo. As the old Polish proverb has it: “Not my circus, not my monkeys.” It’s really a shame because the country could really use a serious conservative party right now.

If elected, Walker will be voting with the GOP. Stephens seems to feel that that fact lies at the heart of the problem.

Judged by traditional standards and norms, Walker is an astonishingly unprepared / unqualified candidate. In saying this, we're setting his personal life to the side. We're considering only one thing—his apparent ability to add to the public debate as he assesses key issues.

Judged by traditional standards and norms, Walker is an astonishing candidate. Despite this fact, he's running neck-and-neck in Georgia with the incumbent senator, Raphael Warnock—and he could easily win.

Millions of people in the Peach State are going to vote for Walker. Control of the Senate (such as it is) may turn on the outcome of this Georgia race.

Jemele Hill is a good, decent person. There's absolutely nothing even dimly wrong with her smarts. Having noted those facts, we close to say by posing a question:

There are no rules for such things, but is it helpful for her to say she feels "insulted" by this state of affairs? More to the point:

When we liberals react in similar ways, is it even dimly possible that we're helping Walker win?

As we noted yesterday, David French has recently offered some good, sound advice: Intense political hatred can make fools of us all, he said. 

Jemele Hill isn't anything close to being a fool, and no, she isn't a hater. But then again, we're all just human, every single one.

Tomorrow: Can millions of Georgians be wrong?


142 comments:


  1. "He’s so absolutely awful, so completely catastrophic, so epically embarrassing, so hilariously hypocritical, so incandescently idiotic, so stratospherically scandalous, so volcanically vomitous, that he may actually serve a purpose."

    Whoa. You think you've seen it all, dear Bob, but no: your hate-mongering tribe keeps outdoing itself.

    We hope you're real proud to belong, dear Bob.

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    1. Great defense of Walker’s background, pig boy. We’ll have to bare your typically useful arguments in mind.

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    2. Pavel Gubarev shows how to overcome tribal divisions.

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    3. Here’s the link to Pasha:

      https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1579820810751324160

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    4. Bret Stephens, who said those words, is not a Democrat or a member of any blue tribe. As Somerby notes, he is a right centrist, conservative (whatever that means).

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    5. Easy on Mao, he is a gay man living among those that reject the very notion of his existence.

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    6. Anonymouse8:20om, we acknowledge that you just called a political opponent a queer, fag, nancy homo, etc.

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    7. Are you accusing 8:20 of being a Right-winger?

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    8. Cecelia, the word gay is not derogatory.

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    9. Anonymouse11:35pm, you called Mao every derogatory word for homosexual in the book. That was your point.

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    10. Where does he do that?

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    11. Saying things that are clearly not in evidence Cecelia. Are you dreaming Mao is a sexy lesbian?

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    13. Anonymices will never win an Oscar for playing dumb, even though it’s no stretch for them.

      Had I called one of you gay, you would have accused me of bigotry.

      When you call someone gay when don’t know that they are, you are using homosexuality as a put-down.

      Might as well call that person every pejorative name for homosexual in the book, because that’s the spirit of what you’re doing

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  2. Speaking as a loyal Republican, I think Walker is a ridiculous candidate.
    David in cal

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    1. The best thing that could happen to Walker’s credibility is if he was shot in a battle with the police.

      Then there’d be murals all over the country of Walker with angel wings or babies in his lap.

      Bret and Gail would be talking about the baleful influence of white supremacy upon the black male martial and family experience.





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    2. "The best thing that could happen to Walker’s credibility..."

      Well, presumably he's not a liberal. So, nothing's wrong with his credibility in the first place...

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    3. Cecelia, tasteful and empathetic as always. It is such a big joke ha ha ha when an unarmed black man is shot for doing nothing.

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    4. How dare you, Anonymouse1:38pm.

      Beatification is never a joke.

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    5. Mocking Catholics now, are you?

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    6. Just the ones who follow church teaching.

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    7. Wouldn't it be funny if Somerby were mistaking you for a blue tribe member and aiming his preaching at you, not the rest of us? I think that's likely since we aren't the ones full of hate.

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    8. I’m grateful he doesn’t read his comment section. That keeps him from seeing your insults toward him and continues to allow you to vent your wrath and narcissism like hot air.

      Win/Win.

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    9. Like any person who ignores feedback, he makes the same errors over and over. I don't hate Somerby -- I don't want people to be led astray by his garbage, especially since he persists in calling himself a liberal. I've explained this before but you keep making the same wrong statements about me. In your case the lies are political. You defend Somerby, which no conservative would do if he were truly liberal expressing liberal views. So get real Cecelia.

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    10. So you have one nobody conservative online who admires this blog very much and that alone is enough to prove that the blogger is lying about being a liberal?

      It’s not that you listen to fellow liberals who enjoy his take on things too.

      You get real and get some help.

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    11. There could be a mural of Walker gently leading a woman to an abortion clinic. The caption underneath could say: another criminal off the streets!

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    12. Yeah, Walker needs Democrats to cross the aisle and vote for him.

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    13. Cecelia, there are several conservative trolls at this blog, not just you. How can you have missed Mao?

      The reason I think Somerby is lying about being a liberal is because he excuses Republican wrongdoing, supports Republican candidate, and repeats Republican talking points on the same days when all other Republicans are doing it too. He never met a Democratic candidate he likes and would support, routinely criticizes all running Dems, keeps telling Dems to stop their campaign efforts (as he did today), and never discusses press mistreatment of Democrats (except Al Gore). He argued against impeachment of Trump, suggested Trump wasn't lying because he believes his own statements, thought Rittenhouse was justified in shooting a mentally ill protester (and others), has thought that every unarmed black man shot by police deserved it in some way, thinks racism is no longer an issue, dislikes the 1619 project, thinks it is OK to ban books (because parental control), and defended Roy Moore's icky stalking of teen girls. He also says misogynistic and sexist things, such as that Chanel Miller shouldn't have drank so much if she didn't want to be raped. No liberal says any of this stuff (and certainly not all of it together).

      Most liberals believe that Somerby changed and that he is now unreadable, not least because he never edits his work. There are still several liberals commenting at this blog. I find their comments informative and thoughtful (you denigrate them). There are no liberals here who "enjoy his take" on anything. Some remember what he once was. Kevin Drum reads this blog, but he isn't much of a liberal these days, doesn't comment here, and has become a centrist himself.

      I will stop when Somerby stops. Meanwhile, you are nothing but a troll and I will continue to say whatever I want to and about you. If you don't like it, go back to your safe places on Republican websites. And don't kid yourself that Somerby is any kind of liberal. Nor is he "brilliant". That is probably the most pathetic thing you say here, given Somerby's obvious cognitive decline and selling out to the forces of evil. You, Cecelia, are either a paid troll like Mao (and certain repetitive others) or a dupe, which is worse.

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    14. Here is an example of your inane interference in the comments section here:

      "Yeah, Walker needs Democrats to cross the aisle and vote for him."

      No one was talking about this in this thread. Based on polls, Walker is now losing support and Warnock was ahead. That suggests that he DOES need someone to change their minds about him. If all Republicans in GA voted for him, that would amount to about 36% of the electorate (white Republicans). Walker may also get the black Republican vote. Blacks are 33% of all voters, but 73% Democratic and 27% Republican, adding about 9% to Walker's support (total = 42%). That is consistent with the latest polls which are giving him about 42% support to Warnock's 44% with the rest undecided.

      Walker can only win by peeling away some Democratic and undecided votes and hanging on to all of his Republican votes. That seems unlikely given his current image problems and trouble campaigning, but the Republicans are trying to show their base that they still support Walker.

      But yes, Walker does need some Democrats to vote for him, and I just don't see that happening. Your sarcasm shows your ignorance.

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    15. Somerby is a lying so-and-so selling out to the forces of evil , but you’re not a troll… However, I think you’re right.

      Though you do have the troll characteristic of thinking that the blog you troll is truly your turf, your property, you’re not a mere troll, you’re a militant control-freak headcase.

      If Somerby was in “obvious cognitive decline”, you wouldn’t be here. If he wasn’t brilliant and compelling, you wouldn’t waste your time.

      Now, you’ve ascribed Drum, another very smart and analytical man, to being a heretic.

      There’s been some sort of dynamic that has made TDH more fraught for you than Drum’s blog could be. It’s something that happened with you or has happened to another woman to whom you have strong emotional or intellectual ties.

      People don’t do fifty paragraphs a day over bloggers they consider to be decrepit.

      As long as you and your coven are here slinging mud, I’m going be here to offer up a defense of a blogger I respect. It’s the right thing to do.

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    16. Anonymouse4:45pm, my remark was sarcasm and it is true. As is my remark about murals.

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    17. It is not true, as I explained using statistics. Sarcasm doesn't make stupid statements true.

      Your remark about murals was just plain bigoted.

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    18. Sarcasm has to have an element that brings some truth to light, or it isn’t sarcasm, which is why I referred to the truth of Walker needing Democrats to cross over.

      Ilya sat up the perfect stereotypical context/reason that Democrats could find compelling.



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    19. And that's a total lie about sarcasm. It has nothing to do with truth, but only about attitude:

      Sarcasm definition: "the use of irony to mock or convey contempt"

      Are you too dumb to know that Ilya was mocking Walker?

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    20. Of course Ilya was being sarcastic. I also understood that he was using a stereotypical trope (Republicans are for abortion if it’s black babies) which I then used in turn by using the truth that Walker needs crossovers, with the stereotypical scenario (Dems love abortion).

      Speaking of stereotypes, I thought the humorless doofus who tries to deconstruct jokes was an amusing fiction.

      However, you really are THAT humorless doofus.

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    21. As I have tried to show you, your quips here are not funny. They are callous and crude and sometime factually inaccurate. They are not clever or witty. They depend a lot on your own world view, which is warped in a typically Republican way. It would be less embarrassing for you if you stuck to making substantive comments (which you almost never do). Now you are asserting that Walker was nominated to get crossover votes, on no evidence whatsoever.

      Why wouldn't a white candidate get more crossover votes, from white Democrats who wouldn't want to vote for a black candidate such as Warnock? That is more plausible than this idea that you have pulled out of your ass.

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    22. Democrats are pro abortion right? So why are they upset Walker was involved with one?

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    23. “Why wouldn't a white candidate get more crossover votes, from white Democrats who wouldn't want to vote for a black candidate such as Warnock? That is more plausible than this idea that you have pulled out of your ass.”

      This is something.

      Who am I to argue with this, folks? …

      I wouldn’t have thought this, but IF YOU SAY SO.

      Hell…yeah…

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    24. Anonymouse 7:35pm, because Walker’s hypocrisy would out weigh his personal renown.

      Here I am slamming my side for underestimating your voters, and anonymices show me that no one thinks less of the proclivities of their own voters than anonymices.

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    25. There is no decoder ring in the world that can decipher Cesillyia's non sequitur-filled nonsense

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    26. Oh, but Anonymouse 8:23pm, what your compadre, Anonymouse7:23pm, said about white Democratic voters is as plain as day.

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    27. Cecelia seems to be spinning Dorthy Parker."WIT has some truth in it." Not sarcasm. But Dorthy Parker She ain't, more like Ayn Rand on Meth.

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    28. This in answer to my assertion that Walker was chosen by Republicans to siphon off black voters in Atlanta (spin this, baby);

      “Why wouldn't a white candidate get more crossover votes, from white Democrats who wouldn't want to vote for a black candidate such as Warnock? That is more plausible than this idea that you have pulled out of your ass.”

      “More plausible”, indeed…

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    29. Trump chose Walker because he was a huge suckup. There is no “strategy” beyond that. Stop trying to find other reasons. There aren’t any.

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    30. Anonymouse11:33pm, just put your fingers in your ears and hum.

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    31. And you can put your fingers in your mouth for all I care. Just stop telling lies here.

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    32. Give it up.
      No matter how much you try to goad Cecelia into making a good faith argument, it isn't going to happen.

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    33. Anonymouse11:33pm, opinions aren’t “lies” simply because you disagree with them.

      Trump’s famous and rich. Such people don’t lack for the company of suck-ups.

      Trump advocated for a guy who is black and a sports legend. He didn’t suggest that his golf caddy run for the office and the caddy sucks up to Trump too.

      You’re too old for the tantrum of yelling “no!” at statements because you don’t like the person who said them, and are too obtuse to even understand when you’re being bolstered.

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    34. Well, if Christopher Rufo insists Cecelia believe whatever nonsense he tells her, who are we to argue?

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  3. There is no trait that Walker possesses that Trump doesn't also possess himself. In that sense, Walker exemplifies the MAGA Extremists of the Republican party. And they are doing well in the conservative South too. Because they will apparently vote for anyone, regardless of qualifications.

    Somerby asks: "There are no rules for such things, but is it helpful for her [Hill] to say she feels "insulted" by this state of affairs? "

    Somerby seems to be forgetting that there are two major parties in our country. The Democrats do feel insulted when Republicans run obviously unqualified candidates. It not only mocks the beliefs of Democrats that people holding office should know what they are doing, but it mocks the seriousness of purpose of our government, which works to organize essential services, coordinate the nation's commerce and foreign affairs, and keep the country running well. To blow that off, as Republicans do, is a major insult to ALL Americans, even the MAGA nutcases who don't know what they are doing when they undermine the efficiency of our country.

    So, yes, it is important for Jemele Hill and others to keep talking about the lack of qualifications for office held by MOST MAGA candidates, not least Walker.

    Why was he nominated? In part because he is a longstanding supporter of Trump's from when he owned a football league that Walker played in. In part because he is a fawning Trump sycophant, like anyone who orbits Trump. In part because Trump ONLY appoints people who are less intelligent and less educated than himself to any position. But mostly because Republicans seem to be hoping that a black candidate running against Warnock might siphon off some black votes from the Democratic party.

    Of course Walker is nearly winning. He is the ideal Southern Republican black candidate. Too foolish to be any threat to white voters, confirming all of the negative stereotypes about black men, and he doesn't think for himself. Fortunately, black people are not foolish enough to vote for Walker simply because he is black. It matters to them that Walker has never supported civil rights or participated in the black community. So Walker may not win after all -- since he has only those white MAGA votes behind him. If white voters get behind Warnock in sufficient numbers to counter the MAGA vote, Warnock has a better chance. But Somerby seems to be arguing against that.

    Somerby has not mentioned Warnock at all. No praise for his positives, including his intelligence and obvious strong qualifications for the office. No suggestion that Somerby's GA readers should get behind Warnock to keep a less qualified candidate out of office. No, Somerby's focus is to attack Jemele Hill, but for what? For saying that she feels insult? We all feel that way over here among us liberals. And Somerby should understand why. But why is Somerby not aiding liberal get out the vote efforts on behalf of Warnock? Why is he wasting time telling us what a conservative op-ed writer said, instead of getting with the program and helping to keep these unqualified MAGA candidates out of office? That is what a liberal blogger would be doing.

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    1. I'm a Democrat and I'm totally fine with Walker.

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    2. If Walker was a Dem, Bob would discover some rules.

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  4. "Jemele Hill isn't anything close to being a fool, and no, she isn't a hater. But then again, we're all just human, every single one."

    Somerby says that Jemele Hill is good and decent and not even dimly dumb, so what then did she do wrong? Why has Somerby singled her out as today's target? Because she doesn't support Walker? No one with an ounce of intelligence should support Walker. Because she said so? Is that a crime when you are an op-ed writer? Stephens and Collins and other white opinion writers have been saying lots of things without attracting Somerby's ire. What exactly did Jemele Hill do wrong? Somerby doesn't say, but we can all guess.

    Which of these things is not like the other? Jemele Hill, being black, can effectively attack Walker without appearing racist. Somerby doesn't like that, so he criticizes her in a vague way, without ever saying what she has done wrong, except to say that Walker is so unqualified that he is an insult to every voter. But why doesn't Somerby like it when someone speaks out against Walker?

    If you can answer that, you have the key to Somerby and his untiring efforts here, helping to elect Trump in 2016 and now working to push MAGA Extremist candidates that no one else can stomach, such as Walker, who Somerby defends by agreeing that he is awful, but so are those rancid chicken Democrats!

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    1. Notice too, if She was a Dem taking issue with Walker terrorizing his family, Bob would dismiss it as partisanship. To be fair, much of the “liberal media” would be happy to stand with him.

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    2. As if you never terrorize your family.

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    3. 1. She is a Dem taking issue with Walker.
      2. Somerby does consider it partisan because he tells us this is a blue tribe mistake that will win red votes for Walker.
      3. @12:00 and @11:40 are agreeing with each other that violence is non-partisan, except that domestic violence is a precursor to right wing gun violence and the right is also more anti-woman than the left these days, overtly misogynist and sexist.
      4. @12:00 has perhaps intended to make a joke but women generally don't think being terrorized is very funny.

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    4. He's very handsome regardless.

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    5. Right out of central casting, as Trump likes to say about his apointees (and endorsees).

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    6. I saw Walker at a market in Alfaretta and he gave every child a nectarine.

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    7. Sounds like socialism to me. How would that small-time bribery make him a good senator?

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    8. It portents his policies will help children.

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    9. How many children are in a market where a politician is greeting people? Not many. What policies has Walker proposed that would benefit children? I'll bet you cannot name one.

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    10. Try using Google.

      1. Walker favors school choice: https://www.teamherschel.com/school-choice-is-gateway-to-the-american-dream/

      2. Herschel Walker was appointed to serve as Co-Chair of the President's Council on Sports, Fitness & Nutrition (under Trump). That presumably includes children's sports.

      That's all I could find on his Senate campaign webpage, which isn't very detailed. I would expect more from someone who cares about children.

      In fairness, these things can be investigated and actual voters should check on the issues they care about and compare candidates, not just react to Somerby's nonsense or TV ads or blog comments.

      This is also a source of info: https://my.lwv.org/georgia

      League of Women Voters was established to help women learn how to be responsible voters after the passage of the 19th Amendment allowing them to vote. It provides info about voting as well as issues in different localities, often sponsoring community events so voters can meet candidates. It is non-partisan (not Republican or Democratic).

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    11. That explains the nectarines.

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    12. School choice does not benefit children, this is a well studied and documented subject.

      Walker did nothing as Co-Chair that benefits children, nor adults for that matter.

      Somerby goes after Hill without understanding that Hill may just have different values than Somerby. Somerby is putting votes for Republicans at risk by looking down his nose at a member of The Other tribe, Dems.

      Stephens is not center right, he is a hardcore right winger; Collins is not center left, she is a centrist neoliberal - actually closer to being center right.

      South Carolina, generally a horrible place, produces more peaches than Georgia. Better peaches too! SC also produced Alphonse Mouzon - SC has a lot to apologize for, but not that.

      These days, if Somerby makes a claim, almost surely the opposite is true. Like all right wingers, Somerby is neither good nor decent, but that doesn't mean we Dems won't fight to help improve such peoples' lives; we understand Somerby and his right wing cohort are wounded people, lashing out and traumatized to the degree that all they think about and desire is dominance.

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    13. Thanks for sharing your feelings!

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    14. Thanks for the insight into your fragile character!

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    15. @7:55, I agree with you.

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  5. “Occasionally violent?” One wonders how many times Walker would have to put a gun to his wife’s head for Bob to find it worthy of notice.

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    1. Some women think that kind of masculinity is hot. Cesillyia would love for Walker to put his gun in her mouth, and who here would cry if he pulled the trigger?

      Relax, it's just sarcasm.

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    2. It's also pretty stupid.

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    3. Take a cold shower and get over me, 7:59pm.

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    4. It's the gun, in that scenario, that's making me hot.

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    5. Duh. Just like racism, sexism, and abortion do.

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    6. So.... a history of (occasional?) violence does not disqualify a right wing candidate for Cecelia.

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  6. Certainly , we all agree the best thing about Republican politicians is their absolute disdain for Republican voters.

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  7. You don't have to hate Herschel Walker to refuse to vote for him. He is just plain unqualified and that is enough. Somerby's accusation that if you don't support him, you must hate him, is ridiculous. The man is so pitiful that most Democrats don't hate him at all, but that doesn't mean we would ever support or vote for him. And saying so, doesn't drive Republicans into his arms -- they already live there.

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  8. Bob, fraud that he is, always needs to redefine “traditional” common sense. We can only find fault with Trump if we can be certain he himself is insincere in his falsehoods. We can only fairly assess Walker if we completely throw out his background which nobody ever did to win an election ever ( in this case, could it be morally justifiable? Only if terrorizing your family is no big deal), but at least Bob does admit he’s creating new rules).
    On race, Bob long ago abandoned his stated position that racism should only be called out when it is obvious. His position now is it should not be called out because it makes white people mad.
    The practical argument that holding their fire ( dubious situational ethics or not) works for Dems is highly questionable at best, and when it comes time to call the Dems wimps Bob will happily join in the jeering. Can we talk? Jim Crow is not gone, and Toms were always a key part of Jim Crow.

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    1. If you are White, you might not feel too good about having just a dollar in your pocket, but when you consider that a Black person comparatively only has 15 cents in their pocket, well, you might just smile a bit.

      15 fucking cents, don't tell me racism is not as the same as it ever was.

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  9. Meanwhile, there is another media criticism issue that Somerby is entirely ignoring:

    "Our media is failing us again. This time, it's that they refuse to name clear anti-Semitism, falling back on safe distancing words like "purported" and "widely criticized as antisemitic" and "widely deemed antisemitic."

    This, after Somerby, so recently, swooned over Anne Frank and pretended to care about why America didn't help Jews during the Holocaust! But Somerby ignores the entire issue, even though monitoring the media is supposedly his gig.

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  10. Just when you think that Republican candidates and their supporters can't go any lower, they jump through hoops to support someone just because they are a Republican.
    When Bill Clinton had a consensual relationship, they got their panties all twisted up.

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  11. Oddly, Somerby has given up talking about DeSantis and redistricting today. Can it have anything to do with this (from Political Wire):

    "ProPublica finds evidence contradicting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ (R) claim that his plan to redraw the state’s congressional districts wasn’t driven by partisanship.

    “The new details show that the governor’s office appears to have misled the public and the state legislature and may also have violated Florida law. DeSantis aides worked behind the scenes with an attorney who serves as the national GOP’s top redistricting lawyer and other consultants tied to the national party apparatus.” A former state Supreme Court chief justice calls it “significant evidence of a violation of the constitutional amendment.”

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  12. "A new Emerson College/The Hill survey in Georgia finds Sen. Raphael Warnock (D) with a two-point lead over challenger Herschel Walker (R) in the race for US Senate, 48% to 46%.

    Since the August poll, Warnock’s support increased four points and Walker’s support decreased by two points. "

    In a sane world, Warnock would be way ahead of Walker, but these close poll numbers are evidence that competence has little to do with this election. I think that Republicans are disregarding everything about Walker except that he is endorsed by Trump. Warnock seems to have gained among independent and undecided voters, while Walker lost only 2% of his support due to recent revelations about his past, in this specific poll. Others are showing Warnock a bit further ahead.

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    1. Democrats have been warbling for some time now. I would call upon some experts with experience to right the ship.

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    2. Yes, Democrats in disarray is a common right wing meme used to attack our party. Fortunately, it is untrue, just like most of the right wing propaganda.

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    3. But they have been and continue to warble.

      That's what is troubling.

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    4. Andy Borowitz has written a book about how experts helped unfit political candidates appear smarter or funnier and get elected when they shouldn't have been anywhere near public office. He starts with Ronald Reagan, talks about Dan Quayle and George H.W. Bush's problems with complex issues. The book is very funny, with lots of political anecdotes, but its main point is how Republicans deliberately dumbed down politics and enabled someone like Trump to be viable.

      The upshot is that the last thing we need are experts who help conceal the deficiencies of bad candidates, as Roger Stone, Roger Ailes, and Paul Manafort did for both Reagan and Trump. Democrats should not follow the lead of Republicans down that path, in my opinion.

      Borowitz thinks that the Democratic love of competence has been its undoing, but I disagree. I think we need to teach people why competence matters in a time when global warming could end society as we know it and our hopes depend on better technology, not dumb but likeable morons. We can no longer afford to nurture idiocy. People need to keep all of their wits about them in order to deal with the large problems coming our way -- such as hurricane Ian. There was no reason why people living in Lee County needed to wait for an evacuation order -- we all need to be smarter about what is heading our way, if we are to survive.

      Somerby, to the extent that he works for the forces of dumbness and ridicules expertise, is hurting people and may cause actual deaths when denial about the value of knowledge results in fatal choices, as occurred already during covid.

      https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Profiles-in-Ignorance/Andy-Borowitz/9781668003886

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    5. The irony is your beliefs are naive and therefore somewhat dumb.

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    6. Republican voters don't care about climate change, anymore than they care about fetuses and babies.

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    7. David French’s next bit of op-Ed advice should be to not underestimate your target voters, especially if they’re the other tribe.

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    8. There are some black voters who will put race ahead of party affiliation, but the problem is that Ralph Warnock was already running (as the incumbent) and he is also black. With two black candidates, one obviously better qualified and a Democrat, there is no reason for black Democrats to switch to a black Republican such as Walker, even without Walker's other problems. So, it has nothing to do with underestimating voters of any tribe.

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    9. So I’m saying that Walker’s handlers should have looked at their candidate beyond his being a famous football legend who would appeal to fans. They should not have underestimated the voters they targeted.

      You’re saying that black voters chose a better qualified black candidate rather than an inept one with a trunk load of personal negatives?

      That’s somehow different?

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    10. It's an odd use of the word warble.

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    11. One gets the sense that Democratic rank and file are starting to understand they are about to receive a major ass whupping at the polls next month. Don't worry guys - you can still blame it on Russia, right? You're still falling for that one, right?

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      Even better, economically anxious Republican voters. LOL

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    13. That one gets tragically stupider with each passing year.

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    14. Cecelia, Trump chose Walker.

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  13. "THE WAGES OF HATRED: Remarkably, Herschel Walker could win!"

    Jemele Hill did not talk about hating Walker. She talked about being insulted that he was considered a suitable candidate by the Republican party. Only Somerby has brought up hatred. Criticizing someone does not mean you hate them.

    In the old days, Biden could be friends with Republicans across the aisle, despite their very different agendas. That seems no longer possible due to Republican hate. Republicans decided that the way to create loyalty among voters was to make enemies out of Democrats and instill both fear and hatred in their followers toward Democrats and especially liberals and progressives.

    Somerby has been counseling against hate, but he thinks the hate comes from the left toward the right, when it has been Fox News and Republican talk radio, as part of a deliberate strategy, aiming hate at the left. But Somerby doesn't counsel the right. He barely criticizes them for their outrageous nonsense. He seems to have the delusion that if the left stops being left, the right will love us. That won't happen because we will still be an alternative political party and this hatred is aimed at winning, a political goal. Only by appeasing the right and letting them win, over and over, will they "like us" again. But at what cost!

    When you speak truth about the inadequacies of the right, its candidates or even about Somerby here, that is not a sign of hate. It is a defense of our right to hold opinions, to express them, to vote and to participate fully in our democracy (of which this blog is an example of free speech by all). To call that "hate" is ludicrous, just as when Somerby accuses Jemele Hill of hate for expressing her opinion of Walker. The hate spewed on the right comes in the form of death threats, violence, obstruction of the rights of others, and violent seditious attacks on our government processes, including the certification of votes on 1/6. That is hate. What Jemele Hill writes is not, and neither is what I write here, even when it is about Somerby's motives or personal problems, just as when people criticize Walker's incompetence and refer to his personal background, that is not hate but part of the process of selecting the best person for the job of representing people in the senate.

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  14. Here is the kind of thing a liberal would talk about when discussing segregated schools. It discusses segregated neighborhoods and their impact on schooling:

    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/10/american-segregation-as-strong-as-ever

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  15. "Jemele Hill isn't anything close to being a fool, and no, she isn't a hater. But then again, we're all just human, every single one."

    So, who is the hater? Somerby never says. Who does he want us to think is the hater? Is this like when Blow says DiSantis is not a racist? Does Somerby want us to consider Hill a hater because she is a human being? If so, aren't we all human and doesn't that make every single one of us a hater? And if that is true, what does anyone do about it?

    Or is Somerby pretending that if you criticize Walker and suggest he is not a good candidate, you must be a hater? Or maybe it just makes you wise about choosing the best candidate, which is definitely not Walker, as even several jaded Republicans seem to know. But then why talk about hate?

    Or maybe Somerby is expressing some self-hate? That might be appropriate at this point in his blogging career.

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  16. Herschel Walker is not going to win.

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    1. Walker was chosen because his handlers thought his football renown and image of success (mythical) would lead black Democrats to vote for him.

      They’re clowns who underestimated their targets.

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    2. No, Walker was chosen because he and Trump have a longstanding personal relationship and Trump wanted him to run. They thought Walker's background as a famous football star would make him a charismatic candidate, much as Trump thinks his TV career got him elected president. It is the same reason why Republicans picked Dr. Oz, who Trump also wanted as a candidate. The Republican Party is not good at standing up to Trump and they let him dictate quite a few candidates too extreme to be viable, but loyal to Trump.

      There is no planet on which any black Democrat would vote for Herschel Walker instead of Ralph Warnock, who is also black but has much more connection to the black community than Walker.

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    3. The fact that Walker was both popular with Trump (and therefore his followers and not Gov. Kemp’s) and a legend in the mind of the public was their dual impetus.

      After that it wasn’t even a matter of their not doing their homework, it’s a travesty of their not truly seeing the people they’re trying to reach.

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    4. It sounds a lot like you are agreeing with me.

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    5. Yes. It took awhile but you finally got it.

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    6. Every Republican loss is merely the indication of a rigged election

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    7. Cecelia, I’m the one who said it.

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    8. Anonymouse11:26pm, after you kicking and screaming finally got it.

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  17. “When we liberals react in similar ways, is it even dimly possible that we're helping Walker win?”

    What about Stephens? Does his reaction help Walker win? Or is it only liberals who help? If so, that suggests that Republicans have a pathological condition, whereby their support for a candidate is driven more by liberal reaction than the quality of their candidate.

    We can all expect the day when Republicans run a serial killer for Senate, just to watch the liberals weep, so that the GOP can rally around their guy.

    Seriously, on what planet would you criticize liberals for the shitty choices of Republicans?

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    1. It's a criticism of liberal's reaction to the shitty choice. Not the choice itself.

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    2. Why would liberals’ reaction to an admittedly shitty candidate matter to Republicans?

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    3. What do you mean by admittedly?

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    4. Oh, I don’t know 7:17, how about “ Judged by traditional standards and norms, Walker is an astonishingly unprepared / unqualified candidate.” You know, the thing the fucking blogger said…

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    5. For the reason you describe here. To troll corporate Democrats. To punish people like yourself who they view as stupid, arrogant assholes. (Not that you are.) That's how the world operates. It's how it's always operated.

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    6. That makes no sense at all.

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    7. It was suggested by mh.

      "Republicans have a pathological condition, whereby their support for a candidate is driven more by liberal reaction than the quality of their candidate."

      I think it should be considered that liberal's condescension and superiority plays against them significantly. That's how humanity works. We are still really just apes.

      And it's not like it matters to a lot of us who is Senator.

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    8. mh, it matters because they need crossover voters.

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    9. “Crossover voters?” Crossover voters for which candidate? No Democrat is going to vote for Walker. Just as no Republican is going to vote for Warnock. As with Roy Moore, it may be that Republicans will simply not vote for Walker because privately they know how terrible he is. Some “swing” voters may decide Walker is terrible, based on the reporting about him.

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    10. Then you got nothin' to worry about.

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    11. Sure, 7:43, let's consider it.

      Let's consider how you took mh's words out of context.

      Let's consider how there is zero credible evidence that "liberal condescension" plays any role in electoral politics.

      Let's consider the incoherence of the comment at 7:24; that's a Cesillyia-level garbled word salad.

      Ok, now that we have considered these things, we can only conclude that you are an easily triggered moron.

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    12. Sure, thanks for your input.

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    13. Anonymouse7:54pm, the ironic thing in this incompetent Walker team storm is that now, even mh who sees every voter from the perspective of his internet blogboard forays, will probably be right.

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    14. Over a Warnock win? He’s not Satan.

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    15. "I think it should be considered that liberal's condescension and superiority plays against them significantly."
      Must be the superiority, because no one is more condescending to Republican voters than Republican politicians.

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    16. “ Then you got nothin' to worry about.”

      Somerby sure seems worried…that liberals pointing out the facts about the Republican candidate is … going to cause Republicans to vote for the Republican candidate. Did he ever consider the possibility that some Republicans and swing voters might … actually share Bret Stephens’ and Somerby’s view, that walker is a terrible candidate, and partly because of his bizarre relationship history, besides his horribleness policy wise? Why does Somerby always think that conservatives base their choices on what liberals think?

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    17. I don't know mh. Because he's controlled by Russia? Email him and ask him. Get over it. You're boring as hell.

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    18. "...no one is more condescending to Republican voters than Republican politicians."
      I love when Trump calls them "losers". Stopped clock and all.

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  18. Trump's only redeeming quality is his contempt for Republican voters.

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    1. Also he smells like bad farts all the time

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  19. Democrats don’t care about climate change but they use it to guarantee the continued mass killing of the smallest and most defenseless humans.

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  20. It’s clear that Stephens thinks that Walker is a cosmically bad candidate, and that he might win anyway. But he doesn’t ascribe that to liberal reaction or coverage. Nothing liberals could say would be more negative than what Stephens said.

    He is saying that today’s Republicans have become such a shithole party that they still might cast their ballot for an abysmally bad candidate.

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    1. Every bad GOP candidate is better than every candidate from the pro child castration pro abort party.

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  21. People are saying Georgia is a conservative state yet Biden won it and two Democrats won Senate races. Yes, narrowly, but they won.

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