Five out of 14 members are black!

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2023

Judge says that isn't enough: Reports about the legalities of congressional redistricting have been quite prevalent lately. 

In general, these reports have involved Republican redistricting efforts in various Southern states. Indeed, two such news reports appear in this morning's New York Times. In each case, we'll provide the dual headlines:

North Carolina Republicans Approve House Map That Flips at Least Three Seats
The gerrymandered congressional map, made possible by a new G.O.P. majority on the state Supreme Court, ensures Republican dominance in a closely divided state.
Georgia’s Voting Maps Are Struck Down
Republicans in the state violated a landmark civil rights law in drawing maps that diluted the power of Black voters, a federal judge in Atlanta ruled.

We'll focus on the Georgia case, and on the unexplained legal strictures which lie at the heart of these matters.

First, a bit of statistical background:

Georgia currently holds fourteen seats in the U.S. House of Representatives. Nine of the state's representatives are white. The other five are black.

Those fourteen members were elected using the current redistricting map—the redistricting map which has now been "struck down." With that in mind, let's retabulate what we've said:

In the 2022 elections which were conducted under terms of the disputed map, Georgia voters sent five black members to the House of Representatives—five out of fourteen in all.

Five out of fourteen seems like a pretty good chunk of the delegation. But for reasons the Times never tries to explain, it now seems to have been ruled that it isn't good enough.

Headlines excluded, here are the parts of the New York Times news report which explain, or which perhaps pretend to explain, yesterday's legal ruling:

COCHRANE AND ROJAS (10/27/23): Republicans in Georgia violated a landmark civil rights law in drawing voting maps that diluted the power of Black voters, a federal judge in Atlanta ruled on Thursday, ordering that new maps must be drawn in time for the 2024 elections.

 Judge Steve C. Jones of the Northern District of Georgia demanded that the state’s legislature move swiftly to draw new maps that provide an equitable level of representation for Black residents, who make up more than a third of the state’s population.

In the ruling, Judge Jones wrote that the court “will not allow another election cycle on redistricting plans” that had been found to be unlawful.

“Georgia has made great strides since 1965 towards equality in voting,” Judge Jones wrote, referring to a troubled history of racism and disregard for voting and civil rights. “However, the evidence before this court shows that Georgia has not reached the point where the political process has equal openness and equal opportunity for everyone.” 

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Judge Jones, an Obama administration appointee, had allowed the challenged maps to go into effect in 2022, calling it a “difficult decision” that “the court did not make lightly.” That decision was one of several that found it was too close to that year’s elections to implement new maps.

In those passages, you see a lot of fuzzy language concerning what was wrong with the prevailing map.

For starters, Judge Jones is quoted saying that Georgia "has not reached the point where the political process has equal openness and equal opportunity for everyone."

You can file that quoted statement under "unhelpfully fuzzy word salad." For their part, Cochrane and Rojas paraphrase Judge Jones in the following way:

In their paraphrased account, the reporters say that Judge Jones found that the existing map doesn't "provide an equitable level of representation for Black residents." Judge Jones is further said to have said that the existing map "dilutes the power of Black voters."

Those representations have the flavor of salad too, not excluding the imprecise claim that black residents "make up more than a third of [Georgia's] population."

There's a lot of word salad in this morning's report. Meanwhile, if it's hard numbers you like, here are the numbers in question:

According to the Census Bureau, Georgia's population was 33.1% black as of July 2022. (Warning! Due to the clumsy way the Census Bureau handles certain issues of race, the actual number may have been somewhat higher, or then again possibly not.)

Also this:

Under the congressional map which Judge Jones has struck down, Georgia voters elected five black reps out of 14 total. According to experts, that works out to 35.7%.

Summarizing, Georgia's congressional delegation is 35.7% black. That percentage may slightly exceed the percentage of black residents in the state. 

That said:

According to Judge Jones, the disputed map does not "provide an equitable level of representation for Black residents." The disputed map "dilutes the power of Black voters," in a way which goes unexplained within the Times report. 

On its face, it's hard to understand the logic at play in this matter. In their report, Cochrane and Rojas make exactly zero attempt to puzzle the matter out.

Along the way, they do report this:

COCHRANE AND ROJAS: In the legal challenges to the maps, critics argued that the size of the Black electorate in the state warranted at least one additional majority-Black district in Congress, as well as additional majority-Black districts in the State House of Representatives.

Critics want a Georgia map with one additional majority-black district. We'll now tell you how that highlighted passage reads to red tribe Others:

Under the Republican map, black candidates won five seats out of fourteen. "Critics" want the number to be six.

For the record, these disputes about redistricting operate under certain provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Some of those provisions are extremely hard to paraphrase, parse or explain. 

The word salad tends to start within those jumbled legal provisions. You'll almost never find a journalist who chooses to enter that maze.

There's actually less word salad in this Times report than one ordinarily finds in reports on these disputes. But we can assure you of what red tribe Others think about this particular case:

A power grab is being staged, and it's being okayed in the courts. 

In our view, it's often hard to say why such impressions are wrong. In this morning's news report, the Times doesn't even try.

Disputes of this type have been prevalent of late. Whether in the New York Times or on the PBS NewsHour, reporters who went to the finest schools rarely succeed in puzzling the law or the logic out.

Federal judges are handed the task of applying the jumbled provisions of the Voting Rights Act. We don't envy them this task.

Word salad tends to be general over the mainstream reporting. As the later Wittgenstein might have predicted, very few of our finer people seem to notice this fact.

For extra credit only: The Times report gives the percentage of the Georgia population which is black. It doesn't give the percentage of the Georgia congressional delegation which is black.

Does that seem like good journalistic practice? Compare and contrast! Explain!


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  1. “We'll now tell you how that highlighted passage reads to red tribe Others:

    Under the Republican map, black candidates won five seats out of fourteen. "Critics" want the number to be six.”

    In a world where, when mindreading what “red tribe Others” think, the term “critics” includes federal judges. Apparently.

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  3. Let’s examine Somerby’s (implied) thesis, that he attributes, not to himself, but to the red Others:

    Black people should be content to have the percentage of black representatives equal to their percent of the statewide black population. Anything else is…what? Uppityness?

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    1. A fair paraphrase of Bob's actual, rather than implied thesis, would be:

      1) the % of black congressional delegates in Georgia is about equal to the % of the population that is black;

      2) it is therefore not immediately obvious how Georgia's current congressional districting can be said to be a violation of civil rights law;

      3) the Red Others, aware that blacks tend to vote Blue, would look askance at this situation;

      4) The NYT article under discussion failed to include the % comparisons in 1) above;

      And Bob does state that the 'legal strictures' at the 'heart of the matter' are unexplained.

      I look forward to criticism of my implied thesis.

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    2. The legal decision is available for all to read, including Somerby. A knee jerk opposition to it, as he attributes to the “Others”, is based on the idea that the federal judge is merely joining the (liberal) “critics”, rather than attempting to follow federal law.

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    3. I must have misunderstood your first post, which went out of its way to speculate that the opposition was to perceived black 'uppityness'.

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    4. Somerby displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how our House of Representatives works, and of the circumstances in Georgia.

      Is Somerby truly ignorant, or willfully so?

      Much of human discernment emerges from concepts like implication and context; those wishing to dismiss such concepts are pushing an agenda that is most likely self serving, and therefore worthless and irrelevant to anyone else.

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    5. I was speculating with “uppityness”. I prefaced it with “What?” Without reviewing the actual decision to see if the judge’s ruling has merit, what reason can you supply, Hector, for lumping the judge in with the critics and knee jerk opposing this decision?

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    6. "Much of human discernment emerges from concepts like implication and context; those wishing to dismiss such concepts are pushing an agenda that is most likely self serving, and therefore worthless and irrelevant to anyone else."

      Shorter: "What Somerby seems to say is bad."

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    7. Can you defend dismissing implication and context, Hector? That seems ill-advised.

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    8. mh,

      You present me with the false premise that any questioning of the decision is 'knee-jerk.' Somerby presents statistics that, in and of themselves, justify questioning.

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    9. Oh, my goodness! Who would ever dismiss human discernment stemming from implication and context?!

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    10. “Somerby presents statistics that, in and of themselves, justify questioning.”

      They only justify questioning Somerby’s motives since they demonstrate a lack of understanding how our congress works.

      The Senate provides geographical representation, the House provides proportional representation based on population.

      The racial demographic for the entire state does not matter for House representation of the affected districts, Republicans made a new map that wiped away two entire majority-Black districts, so in reality this was a power grab by Republicans that the judge was fixing. Worse, they did this within the context of the population changing, with Whites diminishing and Blacks increasing.

      In reality, what the demographics indicate is that Georgia is a highly segregated state, and Republicans tried to take advantage of that circumstance.

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    12. On the contrary, Hector at 4:28. Somerby, mind reading the “others”, claims that they will regard this decision as a power grab being okayed by the courts. That is a textbook knee jerk reaction. Does that supposed red tribe reaction comport with the judge’s legal reasoning?

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    13. “The racial demographic for the entire state does not matter for House representation of the affected districts,”

      Not sure what you mean. If you’re saying statewide data doesn’t matter for purposes of determining whether an individual district has been fairly drawn, you’re neither wrong nor right, you’re simply irrelevant.

      Congressional districting is done at the statewide level, not one district at a time, so to judge whether a given configuration is fair or not, you have to look at the entire state; hence the relevance of statewide data.

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    14. mh,

      Somerby's post is built around a comparison of % of congressional reps that are black with % of statewide population that is black. You seem to want to pretend that he didn't do this. Okay.

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    15. I am pretending nothing, Hector. I am saying that the judge looked at the case and sided with the plaintiffs. Somerby’s percentages do not address the judge’s actual ruling. If you recall, Somerby made the same kinds of arguments when the state in question was Alabama. How did that one turn out?

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    16. 5:24 yes you have a fundamental misunderstanding. For the affected districts, which were majority Black districts, the statewide demographic is not dispositive. Georgia can not say, well statewide Blacks are only 30%, so no district can have more than 30% Blacks. See Thornburg v. Gingles.

      In fact, Georgia has 9 majority white districts, and formerly had 4 majority black districts, but then the Republicans wiped away 2 majority black districts in a power grab; the judge is merely reverting back to the status prior to the Republican power grab. Somerby obfuscates this and attempts to frame the issues in an opposite, and incorrect, manner.

      It is worth noting that Somerby defenders acquire a smug disposition, even when they are wrong, which may suggest struggling with an issue of dominance, which itself may suggest why they have an irrational bias towards defending Somerby. It may be worth considering this circumstance, as it may ease what seems to be some suffering of consternation.

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    17. "It is worth noting that Somerby defenders acquire a smug disposition, even when they are wrong, which may suggest struggling with an issue of dominance, which itself may suggest why they have an irrational bias towards defending Somerby."

      Such an astute psychological diagnosis!

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    18. 7:06,

      You seem to think I was arguing that statewide demographic data should be 'dispositive' in evaluating the propriety of an individual district's racial composition.

      What I'd like you to do is re-read what I wrote. And think extra hard, furrow your brow with all your might, put one hand in one cheek and one in the other and ask yourself: is that really what that nice man Hector wrote?

      You'll find I said almost the exact opposite: that it makes no sense to evaluate an individual district by itself; that you have to evaluate the redistricting as a whole for the entire state.

      Smugger Than Ever,
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    19. 8:32 your claim is incorrect.

      Districts are divided equally by population amount, as they reasonably can, and then have further criteria based on the demographic makeup of the individual areas.

      There is no criteria for evaluating a district as a “whole for the entire state”, other than to roughly have the same amount of people in the district.

      Therefore Somerby’s citing of the statewide demographics are not at issue and are misleading.

      There were 4 majority black districts, and then Republicans illegitimately wiped away two of those districts in a power grab, that the judge then corrected and returned back to the original status.

      Statewide racial demographics played no role in the Republicans gerrymandering, nor in the judge’s decision.

      You may have personal notions about how districting should occur, maybe that’s what you are trying to express, maybe they are good ideas, but that’s irrelevant to the issue being discussed, which is Somerby presenting a misleading and false narrative.

      Your petulant response merely proves my earlier assessment, I am sorry for your suffering and hope you are not only edified, but find some peace.

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    20. 10:05,

      It is true I can find no peace, because you are the Inspector Clouseau of commenting. And I am Herbert Lom.

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    21. 10:08 instead of sulking, learn from what I am teaching you.

      Your urge for dominance is a fool’s errand.

      Particularly in this case, where you got it wrong.

      You got suckered by Somerby, who is far from inerrant.

      He made a nonsense claim, and when debunked, instead of learning from that, all you could do was rush to your hero’s defense.

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  4. Liberal identity politics is pure savagery. Dumb ignorance and hatemongering.

    "Black people", "white people" -- what the fuck? What normal modern person would think in these categories? No one would.

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    1. Well, Somerby, for one, when pointing out the achievement gaps on the naep test between “black students” and “white students.”

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    2. Somerby is an old guy.

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    5. "Respect for Marriage Act", mh? Jeez. How's that government's business? Do they have nothing meaningful to do at all?

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    6. Race, a social construct, is a function of racism.

      Generally, the concept of “race” was introduced, on an institutional level, by Europeans and Americans propagating racial chattel slavery.

      When racism is sufficiently defeated, race will return to no longer being a concern for society.

      By every metric that matters Whites are stomping on Blacks, broadly outperforming them everywhere on everything. For example, a Black person has only 15 cents for every dollar a White person owns.

      One might think this is due to the inherent nature of Whites and/or Blacks, that’s racism, which is the actual cause of the aforementioned circumstance.

      1:16 well demonstrates the pernicious impact of denying racism.

      Identity politics functions to provide freedom, humanity, and basic human rights to cohorts experiencing oppression; the savagery and ignorance is on those that deny/engage in such oppression.

      This is why identity politics is a powerful motivator in electoral politics, and why right wingers are so urgently in need of defeating it.

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    7. My original comment mentioned that newly elected Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson (aged 51) opposed the Respect for Marriage act, a bill that would protect same-sex and interracial marriages in the United States. He also wants to criminalize gay sex and overturn Obergefell. That’s identity politics, and it’s savagery.

      So ask him if that’s “government business.”

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    8. The federal government certainly has no business in "protecting marriage", whatever the hell it means.

      As for what some politician may or may not want, that's utterly irrelevant.

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    9. The federal government is supposed to deal with foreign relations, national defense, and interstate and international commerce.

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    11. “ As for what some politician may or may not want, that's utterly irrelevant.” when “some” politician is unanimously elected by his party as speaker of the house, the third most powerful job in the country, and who controls the legislative agenda, you better believe what that politician wants is relevant.

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    12. Right. Criminalization of gay sex is coming. The walls are closing in.

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    13. 2:13, I can’t tell if you’re being sincere or not, but there is a whole list of things that Johnson and many of his fellow extremist Republicans want (national abortion ban, for example) that are now far closer to reality than before. You ignore it at your peril. Unless you agree with them, of course.

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    14. Governments are not a force of nature; broadly, they serve to resolve conflicts.

      In a democracy, citizens decide what role government has, and that is ever changing. A stagnant government will ultimately fail.

      Decriminalizing homosexuality in America is a fairly recent circumstance, and is being actively resisted by Republicans and religious zealots.

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    15. National abortion ban is not going to happen. There might be attempts to limit the procedure to 16 or 20 weeks, or whatever. Unlikely to succeed. And yes, I have no problem with these restrictions. And I suspect a large majority would have no objection to it either.

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    16. “ National abortion ban is not going to happen” And Roe v Wade was never in danger, was it 2:36?

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    17. Roe v Wade was a transparently bullshit court decision, preventing states from enacting relevant laws. Obviously, it had nothing to do with the federal congress and its speaker.

      You live in Arkansas, right? Or is it Tennessee? If a large majority of your neighbors have a different view on abortion, do you really want them to be subjugated (for their own good, of course)? It wouldn't be a healthy situation, would it?

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    18. If Republicans have the votes, a national ban or restriction on abortion will happen - Republicans have been open about this.

      The restriction set at viability (currently 24 weeks) by Roe/Casey has broad public support; there are many medical conditions that can affect decisions about abortion that can not be determined until 20+ weeks, so restrictions set prior to 20 weeks are devastating to a pregnant person’s rights.

      The This American Life podcast recently covered the horrors of abortion restrictions, focusing on Idaho:

      https://www.thisamericanlife.org/812/the-bear-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel/act-2-7

      As always with abortion, it is important to note that historically Republicans and even evangelicals supported abortion rights, in fact Roe was decided by a Republican Supreme Court. It was only after discovering abortion could be weaponized as a tool to resist desegregation that Republicans embraced an anti abortion stance, it was only after it became useful to them in gaining electoral power.

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    20. “ If a large majority of your neighbors have a different view on abortion, do you really want them to be subjugated” Is it even possible to Try to wrap your head around the idea that roe v Wade, a compromise decision, had the effect of “subjugating” people who don’t want an abortion, whereas a ban would presumably not be a “subjugation” of the women who wanted or needed one?

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    21. First of all, I suspect (and I seem to remember it from my young years) men want abortions more often than women, their girlfriends, do. So, this is not really about the women.

      In any case, have you heard the one about democracy being worst form of government?

      When a community lives by its rules, and you don't like these rules, you can always move a hundred miles away, to a different community. But when the whole huge country has to comply with one fixed set of rules, and you hate some of them, where would you go? Mexico?

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    22. 3:39: actually, no. I did not hear that “ democracy is the worst form of government. “ The actual quote from Churchill is “ “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.

      Talk about removing the context..

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    23. The point being, it's the worst form of government for pro-abortion fanatics in Tennessee.

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    24. Abortion is solely about a pregnant person’s right to choose, typically a woman; abortion is not about “men” at all.

      Men are involved in abortion restrictions, for some men, opposing abortion rights is a manifestation of patriarchy or other urge for dominance.

      On the whole, people do not really oppose abortion, it’s a useful wedge issue for Republicans.

      Churchill famously said: “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government…”

      And then finished by saying: “…except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time”

      He also said of democracy: “no amount of rhetoric or voluminous discussion can possibly diminish the overwhelming importance”.

      Governments routinely grapple with local versus national rights. For example, years ago some states wanted to have slaves; however, the federal government intervened and abolished chattel slavery, notably some force was required for this endeavor.

      Generally speaking, federal governments do not restrict rights unless there is a potential for broad harm; more specifically, abortion is a negative right in that it is a default freedom, the government does not coerce one into an abortion, it coerces by restricting abortion. Therefore even if one opposes abortion, one does not need to move, since the choice is theirs whether to have an abortion or not.

      If one wants to dictate what others can and can not do, they are looking for an authoritarian style of government, such as a monarchy or dictatorship.

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    25. Approve what 4:46 says, but adding this in reply to 4:18:

      Why we’re talking about Tennessee I don’t know, but:
      “Currently in Tennessee, abortion is illegal at any stage of pregnancy, with no exceptions for rape or incest. “

      And “75 percent think abortion should be legal in Tennessee if the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest.”

      So who is the fanatic here?

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    26. If 75% think abortion should be legal under these circumstances, then it will be. Just a matter of time.

      I see no reason for the politicians to go against the people in this particular situation: who would bribe them and why?

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    27. You seem unfamiliar with the Republican Party, 5:00.

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    28. There is a mechanism, you know, with primary and general elections. Politicians who ban something 75% of the voters approve are at a disadvantage.

      Often, politicians still act against voters' wishes, when powerful interests are involved. But this, I don't think this is one of those cases. I could be wrong, of course.

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    29. It’s a useful wedge issue to motivate Republican voters, with the hope that it absolves them of being labeled racist while still achieving the same goal.

      Furthermore, it is well known that Republican voters will tolerate policies that harm themselves as long as it harms the Others even more. Additionally, Dems are finally waking up to the fact that Republicans never engage in good faith, and that when given an inch, they will take a mile every time.

      To understand what drives Republicans, one needs to learn a bit about behavioral science, particularly cultural anthropology; however, these are hard truths that many will struggle with due to common and deeply rooted indoctrinations within our current society.

      There are some finer points to be made about abortion restriction exceptions like rape and incest - they are not realistically actionable, which indicates a need to have fewer restrictions, not more.

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  5. " ... the actual number may have been somewhat higher, or then again possibly not."

    And Somerby complains about fuzzy language. LOL!

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  6. Somerby’s post today is obtuse:

    he references statewide racial demographics, a non sequitur considering the context of congressional representatives based on proportional representation, the Republicans had wiped out two majority Black districts;

    he applies a narrative framing that the Judge is engaging in a power grab, while obfuscating that in fact the Judge is merely restoring the map to its previous condition, ie the Judge is nullifying a power grab by Republicans made by removing two majority Black districts.

    Somerby seems to engage in doublespeak in an attempt to manufacture the notion that the Judge/Dems have done a power grab, when in reality, it is the opposite circumstance - they are reacting to/fixing the illegitimate Republican power grab.

    One can instantly find many articles detailing this Republican power grab on Google, many of which also note the demographic trend of Georgia - the White population has decreased by 1 percent, and the Black population has increased by 13 percent; Somerby has no excuse for his nonsense.

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  7. Somerby's cites to racial demographics do not constitute a non sequitur; he doesn't say the Judge or the Dems have engineered a power grab; and the demographic "trend" is irrelevant. Other than that, this comment is fine, if obtuse.

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    1. “A power grab is being staged, and it's being okayed in the courts.”

      Note that the red tribe, in Somerby’s mind, views the potential addition of a majority black district as a (Democratic) power grab, indicating that the red tribe thinks that black voters will, zombie-like, always vote for Democrats, which obviates the need for republicans to try to appeal to them. Of course, the court’s decision was based on the voting rights act, which pertains to racial gerrymandering, not partisan. But the red tribe always jumps to this conclusion, in Somerby’s scenario.

      Somerby is clearly giving credence to right wing views, without explicitly endorsing them.

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    2. "Somerby is clearly giving credence to right wing views"

      No, he's not. He says he can understand why right wingers would believe that, given the limitations of the Times article. What he is doing is faulting the Times for not even trying to undertake the hard work of explaining why the law might demand another majority-black district.

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    3. The NY Times is behind a paywall, so we can not speak to the referenced article directly; however, Somerby in the past, before his right wing shift, would likely have detailed how the article should have framed the issue as a Republican power grab, but instead he imagines that a red tribe member would see this as a Dem power grab, adding “In our view, it's often hard to say why such impressions are wrong”.

      “In our view, it's often hard to say why such impressions are wrong.”

      Yet in reality, it is easy to say why such impressions are wrong.

      Somerby citing statewide racial demographics is a non sequitur, considering the context, it’s not what is at issue.

      The demographic trend is not irrelevant, as it provides further context - Georgia is a former red state that is turning blue, in large part due to those trends.

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    4. Look, the fact that blacks make up 36% of the reps but only 33% of the population is not a non sequitur, it’s a statistic. That the effect, and presumably the intent, of this lawsuit is to increase the percentage of black representatives - to 43% - is undeniable. It hardly strains credulity to think that a right winger might not think this lawsuit is entirely kosher. So it would have been nice, Somerby says, if the Times (a) had mentioned these statistics and (b) had explained why the law compelled the creation of yet another black-majority district. To me, this seems like a reasonable critique.

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    5. George, did you read my post at 8:57 about the Alabama case? Somerby used the same arguments. And yet, the Supreme Court sided with the plaintiffs. Even after the Supreme Court decision, Alabama defied the court, and Somerby asks us to understand why someone might not agree. He had and has every opportunity to explain or analyze the rulings himself on their legal merit. Instead, he asks liberals to see it from the viewpoint of Alabama Republicans.

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    6. It’s a non sequitur in the context of the issue.

      You are correct, in and of itself, it is merely a descriptive fact.

      The intent of the lawsuit was to return the districts back to how they were before the recent Republican gerrymandering.

      We do not know what the article stated, but it would have been accurate if Somerby had explained that while Republicans may claim that this is a power grab, the circumstances show that this was a power grab by the Republicans that got reversed by the lawsuit.

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    7. “Non sequitur” means “doesn’t follow.”

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  8. For the legislature to do it is the worst way to set Congressional districts, except for all the others. That's an exaggeration for the sake of humor. I really meant that it's worse for a judge or other individual to set the districts than for the legislature to do so.

    It's true that a legislature is apt to gerrymander in a way that most benefits their party. But. a judge can do the same thing. With the legislature, at least both sides are represented. Besides which, it's their Constitutional responsibility.

    I think it's a kind of Gresham's Law: Bad judges drive good judges out of office. The bad judges exceed their authority in order to do things their party favors. |They're preferred to good judges who do not abuse their power.

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    1. David in Cal,
      Certainly, you know the saying "Don't let one bad apple spoil the bunch', that Right-wingers wrongly use so police officers won't be held accountable for their actions. Can't that saying also be wrongly applied to judges, as well?

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    2. Not the bunch. The barrel.

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    3. The worst judges are the ones bought and paid for by wealthy elites, such is the case with Clarence Thomas.

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  9. If you recall, Somerby made the same arguments about the Alabama case. See for example

    http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2023/09/alabama-has-seven-house-members.html?m=1

    This was September 5. The Supreme Court had ruled in June that Alabama violated the Voting Rights Act by failing to draw a second majority-Black congressional district in the state.

    Then, over the summer, Alabama Republicans flagrantly defied the orders of the federal district court and the US Supreme Court.

    Then, in late September, the Supreme Court handed down two very brief orders, informing the state of Alabama that no, it is not allowed to defy one of the Court’s decisions on gerrymandering.

    But Somerby asks in his post:
    “Those legal requirements are designed to increase black representation in Congress. Do you think that's a good idea? Also, and very important:
    Are you able to imagine the possibility that someone might not agree?”

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  10. mh - How do you answe that last question?

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    1. The last question is ridiculous. Of course i or anyone else can imagine someone disagreeing. Alabama republicans had been defying the Supreme Court. I guess that means they “disagreed.” That doesn’t mean I think they were right to disagree in this case.

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    2. Do you know that about half the country disagreed that we should end slavery, but that we went ahead and ended anyway?

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