TUESDAY, MARCH 19, 2024
Segregation by viewpoint: We lost large chunks of time yesterday afternoon and then again this morning. This will likely be our only post today.
We did want to highlight one presentation from the war of the past few days concerning Trump's "blood bath" comment.
The battle over Donald J. Trump's "blood bath" remark has been a battle between a pair of poorly functioning tribes. Which tribe's performance has been less impressive?
In our view, the answer isn't clear. Basic skill levels are virtually nonexistent all across the board.
That said, we thought a comment by Judge Jeanine Pirro deserved memorialization. The judge sounded off on yesterday's broadcast of The Five, as she does on a daily basis.
Videotape had just been played of a comment by Nancy Pelosi.
"He's even predicting a blood bath," Pelosi was shown saying to Dana Bash on CNN's State of the Union.
"What does that mean?" Pelosi said as she continued. "He's going to exact a blood bath?"
That is indeed what Pelosi had said; her presentation hadn't been doctored by Fox. Indeed, Pelosi had raised the topic on her own. As you can see in the CNN transcript, she hadn't been asked about it.
Readers can judge Pelosi's remarks in whatever way they will. One day later, on The Five, the perpetually furious Pirro decided to answer Pelosi's question with a question of her own.
In fairness, the judge was less ostentatiously furious than she typically is. That said, here's what she said about the alleged hoax-mongering of the rival blue tribe:
PIRRO (3/18/24): What stuns me is that they continue to do it. They know that what they're selling is not saleable, that the American people are not buying it.
The whole idea of it. The whole idea of that last [video clip] of Pelosi saying, "Is he going to exact a blood bath?"
Nancy! He was president for four years. Did you see a blood bath?
Yes, that's what she actually said! To watch the presentation, click here.
"Did you see a blood bath?" the judge rhetorically asked. More specifically, she was asking this:
Did Nancy Pelosi ever see a blood bath during Trump's four years in the White House?
Maybe it all depends on what the meaning of "blood bath" is! But anyone who watches MSNBC has seen videotape of something resembling a blood bath a thousand times by now.
We refer to the footage of the violent riot which occurred at the Capitol Building on January 6, 2021. For the record, the riot took place at a time when Nancy Pelosi was physically present and was in physical danger.
A lot of blood did spill that day, none of it from Judge Pirro! Incredibly, a gallows was constructed on the lawn outside the Capitol as rioters searched for Mike Pence.
One tribe has repeatedly seen the footage of that event. One tribe has seen that violent riot—but by and large, members of the other tribe haven't.
As we've noted in recent weeks, the footage of that violent day is never aired on Fox. People who watch that red tribe channel haven't seen that particular blood bath.
Whatever you think of her statement to Bash, Nancy Pelosi is well aware that this violent event occurred. Over on Fox, Judge Jeanine didn't seem to know how foolish her comment might seem.
That said, her comment probably didn't ring any bells with the typical viewer of Fox. On Fox, the violent event never happened. The violent (and bloody) attack on the Capitol has been disappeared.
On MSNBC, viewers repeatedly see the videotape of the attack on the Capitol. On Fox, viewers repeatedly see videotape of people streaming across the southern border.
"Segregation by viewpoint" works this way. In this way, one giant, sprawling nation is transformed into two.
Judge Jeanine can't remember seeing a blood bath when Donald J. Trump was in charge. On Fox, the bloody attack on police officers at the Capitol has long since ceased to exist.
Jan 6?
ReplyDeleteC'mon, man.
We all experienced the worse bloodbath - Trump mishandling the pandemic, directly leading to the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Americans. That's blood on his hands, and all the misguided culture warriors spreading misinformation.
Anonymouse 2:21pm, you also experienced the gunning down of six people (including Rep Steve Scalise) by a lefist and over fifty Secret Service sent to the hospital as rioters threw Molotov cocktails at the WH in 2020.
DeleteFor some reason that stuff is never considered to be a bloodbath, particularly when it leads to a town (Ferguson, MO) and big-city business sections being burnt due to relentless hyping of unrest by the media and fellow leftists.
Oh, it is never a “bloodbath”. It’s either the sad-but-necessary cleansing clarity of righteous wrath or it’s literally fifteen seconds of fame.
What happened to the guy that shot Scalise and the others? Was he pardoned? Or do democrat candidates call him a political prisoner?
DeleteI don’t remember the Molotov cocktails thrown at the White House. Were the pepetrators pardoned? Do prominent, influential democrats call them political prisoners?
Does Biden praise them?
Anonymouse 6:20pm, no, Hodgkinson was not pardoned and no Democrats were saddled with him or with the Summer of Love either.
DeleteYou were never asked to account for a man with a gun and protesters at the WH with explosives. The Secret Service never directly engaged the WH rioters.
What would have happened and how differently (if at all) would the scenario be if the SS had tried to bust some heads?
Orange Chickenshit salutes the Jan 6 insurrectionists to begin every one of his campaign events. The same fucking guy who insults military heroes salutes criminals in jail. Go fuck yourself, with your whining grievance, Cecelia.
DeleteI'm confused. The Secret Service never directly engaged the rioters and 50 were hospitalized as a result? We're the agents sickened by the gas that wasn't used?
DeleteQuaker, they were injured by projectiles.
DeleteThat’s not confusing.
Anonymouse 6:46pm, it’s not my whining grievance or whining acceptance.
DeleteBoth those conditions are your own
3/4+ of domestic terrorists are right wing
DeleteAnonymouse 7:05pm, Bob came of age in an era when people who engaged in political violence went on to become academics and celebrities.
DeleteNow he’s indigent that Nancy Pelosi was blasted for misrepresenting Trump’s statement about a bloodbath because she suffered the rigors of 1/6.
Indignant
DeleteSomerby says: ""Segregation by viewpoint" works this way. "
DeleteThis isn't segregation because the government has not relegated people to groups under force of law. This is at most self-segregation, which means that people choose which shows to watch. Somerby used to argue that the word segregation was inappropriate in such a context.
Whatever happened to that guy?
No one has to "misrepresent" what Trump said. It is all right there in his own words. No one misunderstood what the Nazis were saying in their rallies either. This is where being excessively literal leads. To pseudo-befuddlement, but who does Somerby think is being fooled by this? No one on the left.
Anonymouse 7:49pm, yes, “segregation as to personal viewpoint” (and many other things) can be a cultural phenomenon without the impetus or the aegis of government.
DeleteIt’s “segregation” nonetheless.
Not according to the meaning of that word. It is choice.
DeleteIt’s an always a choice. It is not always a legislated choice.
DeleteRacial Segregation used to be govt mandated and enforced by police in the South. That was not choice. You have no idea what you are talking about. Time to stop drinking and hit the sack Cecelia.
DeleteAnonymouse 9:49pm, I made the distinction that segregation can be a personal choice and that this is different from a legislatively mandated choice.
DeleteUnderstand that legislators who impose segregation are elected by the people.
It was ALWAYS a choice in this country. There is no one else to blame but the citizenship. The people who elected segregationists, the people who otherwise practice it in their personal lives.
If you could read for comprehension you’d have a modicum of clarity.
I know those people. They became Republicans after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
DeleteHa, the moral and intellectual coward Cecelia, who day after day refuses to post her contact information yet berates others for not doing so, goes to tit for tat bat on Jan 6. Why DO we hear so little about Scalice's shooter? He is usually identified as a Sanders supporter (many on the hard right did for a time) but was he a "leftist?" Are Republicans hesitant to tie him to progressives as they know they have help their weak candidates over the top twice in recent history? (With the help of the Electoral College, the White
Deletepersons affirmative action) The rest has already been refuted, this guy did not go to a rally where he was worked up into a violet frenzy with a lot of other people who are rightfully in jail, even though Trump has called them hostages and heroes, rubbing salt into the wounds of their victims. No Democrat would ever describe the shooter in that fashion.
Turning to Bob Somerby, he attempts to indicate that his good friends and neighbors just don't get the truth of FOX. In this instance that excuse is a little sad. Violent images from Trump's rape of the Capitol have been everywhere. For a couple of days even the morally bankrupt leaders of their party treated in honestly. Sure, some like Megan Kelly came out of the box lying and have never faced any scorn for it, but they were the exceptions. WHICH brings us to the people who have been adamant in insisting the subject be changed, that Trump faced no consequences for his action based on the most idiotic reasoning ( Morally superior people like ME don't like to see others going to jail). And we don't have to look far for some strange people, we have Bob right here.
For another example, see Matthew Gertz twitter: https://twitter.com/MattGertz
ReplyDeleteScroll down, you'll see Fox News played about four minutes of coverage of Mike Pence's refusal to endorse Trump, while CNN and MSNBC played about an hour and 15 minutes of coverage. Silos!
ReplyDeleteYes. With all the lawfare and anti-Trump hysteria going on, if he is not elected, who knows what might happen. The tensions seem stronger than in 2020.
OK, let's stipulate that Trump's "bloodbath" remark was in reference to the auto industry and many "Blue Tribe" presenters strip it of that context.
ReplyDeleteAs long as we being cooly analytical about it, let's also observe the following:
1) Trump routinely uses deliberately violent and provocative imagery when he speaks,
2) Trump repeatedly insists that he alone can avert some looming catastrophe, and
3) Trump has given no indication that he's the least be informed about the workings of the auto industry. He's all bluster.
Now do continue to remind us that "many people" believe his bluster and tbat Our Blue Tribe hasn't come up with a way to persuade these folks to see the world the way we do.
Cogent, accurate comment, Quaker. Trump’s provocative imagery is part of his persuasion technique. His ignorance of the auto business is a reminder that being a master persuader is different from having the knowledge to govern well. BTW Biden also claims that he can avert a catastrophe. Namely, electing Trump
ReplyDeleteA mediocre MLB pitcher striking out little kids doesn't make him a master pitcher.
DeleteRegarding Biden and "avert a catastrophe," this is "both sides-ism" taken to absurdity. Biden is a decent, responsible, "normal" president. Trump wasn't. We saw the guard rails nearly fail during Trump's FIRST term. If you've been paying attention, you'd know they almost certainly won't hold up during a second Trump term.
Mike — Trump got elected President. I agree that the average voter is like a little kid. But Trump found a way to get their votes, while 330,000,000 others did not.
DeleteDavid, we have said this repeatedly, Trump was helped to steal the presidency by Russia. He didn't win it fairly and he didn't earn the job. He was not the choice of the people because Hillary won millions more popular votes. He manipulated the electoral college by suppressing the votes in 3 key states and he had both Wikileaks and Comey helping to suppress her votes.
DeleteHe colluded with a foreign enemy of the US to put himself into the presidency as Putin's puppet. That isn't winning an election.
Anonymouse 6:58pm, a socially acceptable conspiracy theory among your cohort.
DeleteCecelia, perhaps you need to get your head out of your red tribe’s ass and question your fixed assumptions. The blue tribe isn’t always wrong.
DeleteAnonymouse 7:55pm, I’m not accusing you or yours of being Russian agents.
DeleteAt least our conspiracies have supporting evidence (Mueller Report) which makes them not theories but fact.
DeleteAnonymouse 8:15pm, Mueller found Russian interference in our elections (something new since Stalin?), he did not find collusion between the Russians and Trump.
DeleteManafort, asshole?
DeleteSo Trump indictment, darling? They got Manafort on past sins.
Delete"Trump found a way to get their votes, while 330,000,000 others did not." What a joke. And you were an actuary? Only about half of those are even eligible to run for president. Of that half, only a couple dozen ACTUALLY ran -- pitting Trump against fierce competitors like . . . Ted Cruz, one of the most hated people in government. You're just trolling, dude.
DeleteAnd whatever meager "skills" might have contributed to Trump's becoming president, there were maybe a thousand other factors that contributed? Among many others: the built-in advantage Republicans have in the electoral college; Russian interference (their illegal theft of Democratic emails and the strategic release of them caused many blue voters to stay home or cast their votes for third party candidates); Comey's last minute intrusion shifted polls; the fact that it's the most rabid, fanatical part of the Republican party who selects the nominee -- so of course these nut-job extremists are going to find Trump's race bating and hate-mongering appealing -- then once they lock in the nominee, the nearly half of the country that just automatically votes Republican are then forced to just go along with the rabid base's pick. And this just scratches the surface. Despite all of it, Trump lost by 3 million votes.
Biden is corrupt. And his son and brother lied to congress about their sleazy million dollar deals with China.
DeleteBtw, you keep calling what Trump does a skill. But this is closer to the truth:
Delete"It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”
It's easy for Trump have success as all he has to do is point to the hypocrisy of the two parties and their obvious disdain for the middle and lower class.
DeleteMike - You say Cruz was a weak candidate, because he was hated. What was Cruz hated for? He's honest. He one of the smartest Senators. He memorized the Constitution as a teenager and recited it across the state with a group of high school students. He's experienced. By any reasonable standard he's an excellent Presidential candidate.
DeleteAs far as I can tell, Cruz's enemies created a situation where Cruz was hated for being hated.
You mean “Lyin’ Ted” whose father was in on the plot to kill JFK ?. Don’t take my word for it, ask political jokester Trump.
DeleteI like Ted Cruz. If he wanted to be unfaithful with me, I wouldn’t hesitate.
Delete9:23,
DeleteThat worked pretty well for Trump, until he gave that HUGE tax break to the rich and corporations. That's when economically anxious Republican voters, who aren't just a shit-pile of bigots (hat tip corporate, mainstream media) , burnt his real estate holdings to the ground.
He'll be lucky to get a half-dozen votes from Republican voters, who care so much about the rigged economy.
It’s hard to fathom that the current level of melodrama will be exponentially higher by August.
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DeleteLets all agree: in 2020 Democrats had a few hundred mostly peaceful protests where a few hundred cops were injured and a few billion dollars worth of shit was burned. And then Republicans had a mostly peaceful protest that, unfortunately, got Nancy Pelosi scared, for some reason.
ReplyDeleteEven-Steven.
Better trolling please.
Delete"The battle over Donald J. Trump's "blood bath" remark has been a battle between a pair of poorly functioning tribes. Which tribe's performance has been less impressive? "
ReplyDeleteThere is no battle over Trump's bloodbath remark. He said it and he meant the violent imagery. What else is there to say about it?
That it’s legitimate political discourse.
DeleteI love my sweet darling, my dear friend, my Cecelia. Forever.
ReplyDeleteGet a nym and I’ll feel…kindly, to you too.
DeleteI am dim, broke my limb in the gym, have no nym.
DeletePrecisely. An anonymouse.
DeleteI can’t think of anything negative, so I won’t say anything at all.
DeleteDemand for nyms is petty tyranny. It is arbitrary since neither the blogger nor the internet requires nyms. It is just harrassment.
DeleteAnonymouse 8:57am, as someone once said… you need to soak rags in kerosene and tie them around your ankles so the ants won’t eat your candy ass.
DeleteMy ass is not candy. It is a living breathing animal.
DeleteI must say, some of the people with nyms, like in this very thread, post much shittier comments than the “anonymices.”
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DeleteAnonymouse 11:27am, you mean “we anonymices”, not “the anonymices”.
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