Four states, three demographic groups!

MONDAY, JUNE 24, 2024

Reading scores, Grade 8: Last Saturday, Kevin Drum surprised us with a post about California's public school students. More specifically:

How well did California's eighth graders perform on the most recent NAEP reading test? Compared to their peers from other states, it seemed to us that the Cali kids had performed surprisingly well:

DRUM (6/22/24): Among the 50 states, California ranks 13th in reading for white students and 9th for Black students. (But a weaker 22nd for Hispanic students.)

As one of Kevin's graphics notes, nine states didn't have enough black kids to produce a representative sample, given Naep procedures. That means that Cali's kids came in 13th among the total 50, ninth among 41.

On balance, Cali's kids did pretty well. We got to wondering about the way Cali's scores compared to those from some other major states. We decided to look at four such states—two of them red, two blue.

A bit of nostalgia was involved. Here are some of the data we churned:

Average scores, Grade 8 reading, 2022 Naep

White kids:
U.S.: 267.11
California: 268.69
New York State: 273.14
Texas: 263.85
Florida: 264.92
Black kids: 
U.S.: 242.77
California: 245.42
New York State: 246.41
Texas: 246.71
Florida: 246.91
Hispanic kids: 
U.S.: 249.81
California: 249.32
New York State: 248.03
Texas: 248.21
Florida: 259.98

We see no particular bombshells there. For all Naep data, start here.

Quickly, a basic point:

According to a very rough rule of thumb, ten points on the Naep scale is often said to be the rough equivalent of one academic year. 

That's a very rough rule of thumb, but it gives you a general idea of what those statistical differences might (roughly) suggest. And yes, that includes the differences in average scores between those three demographic groups within those four large states.

A bit of nostalgia was involved in this effort. We thought back to the days when it was still possible to imagine that someone, somewhere, actually cared about something resembling this.

Those days are long, long gone. A large amount of pretense may have been involved in the expression of such apparent concerns. 

Still, you could still pretend.

Today, the public discourse is all about who can seem to be more senile, depending on the way you edit tiny bits of videotape from their recent public appearances. On balance, our discourse is an undisguised, rolling clown show—a gong show all the way down.

In some ways, the most interesting information we collected involved the demographic distribution of the eighth graders in those four large states. The Naep provided these data:

Student population, Grade 8, 2022 Naep
White / Black / Hispanic kids

U.S.: 45% / 15% / 29%
California: 18% / 4% / 58%
New York State: 40% / 16% / 30%
Texas: 28% / 12% / 51%
Florida: 35% / 21% / 36%

Just to be clear:

According to the data from the Naep, California's grade 8 population in 2022 was 18 percent white, 4 percent black, 58 percent Hispanic.  With respect to the other jurisdictions, you can take it from there.

(The last we looked, they were all good, decent kids. That includes the kids who may have lost their way due to mistreatment, anguish, stress, disorder, abuse, neglect.)

At one time, it was possible to imagine that someone somewhere actually cared about what occurs in our public schools. Back in the 1960s, Jonathan Kozol arrived on the scene, and this (briefly) became a major topic within the liberal world!

Not long ago, our nation's journalistic thought leaders were still pretending to conduct discussions of such matters. As everyone must surely know by now, those days are gone, long gone.

Not to forget these kids: But what about Asian ancestry kids? Citizens, thank you for asking:

Average scores, Grade 8 reading, 2022 Naep

Asian ancestry kids:
U.S.: 281.07
California: 282.97
New York State: 277.49
Texas: 286.07
Florida: 272.59

At one time, this sort of thing seemed like a matter of interest. Those days are gone, long gone.


10 comments:

  1. What happens on theright does not characterize the entire public discourse. Democrats are circulating Trump’s brain farts because they are of legitimate concern to voters. Republicans are manufacturing fake videos to make Biden appear senile when he is not. These acts are not equivalent.

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  2. The last time I heard from teachers they were talking about quitting because they feel like glorified babysitters. The social democratic optimism about getting everyone educated is now just an excuse to shame people into staying at their job. Same as nurses.

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    1. It isn’t the babysitting that is driving teachers out of classrooms. That has always been part of the job.

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    2. My daughter and son-in-law both left teaching in a public high school although they had tenure. My son-in-law left because bad administration was making his job difficult. He had to fight for ordinary support to get the student newspaper done. The crowning blow was when the two of them were required to attend school functions, one on Friday evening, the other on Saturday. When they request a change so they could work the same day, they were refused.

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    3. DiC, yes, republican cuts to public education budgets makes life difficult for teachers. Your daughter and son-in-law obviously were not concerned about the kids.

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  3. The classification of "Hispanic" doesn't differentiate first generation immigrants from students born and raised in the US or those whose families have been in the US for generations.

    California and Texas, for example, are home to a large number of first-generation immigrants from Latin America. Florida, on the other hand, is home to a long-established ethnic Cuban community that includes many eighth graders from families that have been in the US for two, three, or four generations.

    I would expect to see a difference in performance among these states.

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  4. Parents care, kids care, and teachers care. The right needs to stop using education for political purposes and let teachers do their jobs. That includes Somerby.

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    1. Good points, @6:20. However, a lot of powerful groups are not on the kids' side.

      Education bureaucrats and researchers and schools of education don't care about individual kids. They don't interact with them. Bureaucrats and education departments need to develop programs that are complex enough to justify their being a part of the system. Researchers need publications. These two groups would be out of work if they said, just leave it to the teachers to figure out what works best.

      Textbook publishers also don't care about the kids. They care about selling a lot of books.

      Politicians with an axe to grind don't care about the kids. They care about climate change or trans or DEI or quota percentages -- whatever the issue de jour happens to be.

      Judges sometimes make bad rulings if they take too much control of the education process.

      Teachers' Unions are the worst. They don't care about the kids. They care about teacher benefits. Some union officials get caught up in focusing too much on political issues.

      Some education systems work better than others. If everyone cared about the kids, they would all simply adopt the systems that work better. For the reasons about, they don't do that.

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    2. DiC, I believe what you're describing above is Capitalism. The invisible hand will take care of the kids.

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  5. Operation 41:

    Engage liaison Fanny Fong

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