SATURDAY, AUGUST 31, 2024
...its performance was an embarrassment: On Monday, August 19—the first day of the Democratic National Convention—CBS News was given the chance to conduct a brief interview with Candidate Donald J. Trump.
The interview produced zero discussion. The reason for that is clear.
As we noted yesterday, we weren't aware of this interview until August 25. On that day, the brief one-on-one session was mentioned in a news report by the New York Times.
According to the Times report, Candidate Trump was trying to show that he was willing to be interviewed by major reporters, unlike his allegedly unintelligent opponent in the current White House campaign.
Within that context, we decided to see what had been asked, and what had been answered, in the course of the CBS interview.
When we searched, we could find no transcript of the interview. We couldn't find a videotape of the full interview session.
We did find an August 19 news report about the interview—a news report by Kathryn Watson of CBS News. When we read Watson's report, we were surprised by what it contained.
Watson is a good, decent person. Headline included, here's how the official report from CBS News began:
Trump defends personal attacks on Harris, discusses election outcome, release of medical records
Former president and GOP nominee Donald Trump said in an exclusive TV interview that he would release his medical records, as he faces off against Vice President Kamala Harris in the race for the White House. Trump, 78, also defended his repeated insults of Harris' intelligence and said he would accept the election outcome if he believes the election is "free and fair."
He spoke with CBS News political correspondent Caitlin Huey-Burns in Pennsylvania Monday, as Democrats kick off the Democratic convention in Chicago.
"You will release your medical records to the public?" Huey-Burns asked the former president.
"Oh sure, I would do that very gladly, sure," Trump responded.
Say what? Could that possibly have been the biggest news to emerge from the CBS interview? Candidate Trump says he will release his medical records at some undisclosed point in time?
We were surprised to see the news report start with that non-disclosure disclosure. As far as we knew, no one had been asking the two candidates to release their medical records.
As far as we know, this hasn't been any sort of issue as the fall campaign approaches. But there it was, presented by Watson as the leading piece of news to emerge from the interview session.
That seemed like an odd way for the news report to start. But as we continued to read the report, matters got much, much worse. Continuing directly, Watson now offered this:
Barely a month after an attempt on his life at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Trump insisted that no, he isn't suffering from any post-traumatic stress disorder and hasn't experienced any other lasting effects after a gunman grazed his ear with a bullet.
The Republican nominee said he just had a medical exam and received a "perfect score," and two cognitive tests, which he said he "aced."
"I got everything right," Trump said. "And one of the doctors said, 'I've never seen that before, where you get everything right.' No, I have no problem. I'd go a step further, I think anybody that runs for president, whether they're 75 or 65 or 45, I think should take a cognitive test."
Everyone should take a cognitive test, the mental giant proclaimed.
Question: As of August 19, had anyone suggested that Candidate Trump was "experiencing any lasting effects" from the July 13 assassination attempt?
As far as we know, no one had made any such suggestions as the five weeks had passed.
In fairness, there was nothing "wrong" with asking some such question in the course of an interview session. But again, we were surprised to see that offered as the leading topic in the interview—and then, Dear God, there was this:
Once again, for the ten millionth time, the candidate was being quoted about the way he had managed to "ace" those two alleged "cognitive tests."
As every journalist surely knows, Trump has been talking about "acing those cognitive tests" since the dawn of time. As every journalist surely knows, his claims about his unprecedented "perfect score" on the so-called "cognitive tests" have come to us straight outta the Kingdom of High Delusion.
Has the candidate taken a new set of "cognitive tests' in the wake of the assassination attempt? Reporter Watson didn't say. But in this peculiar way, CBS News was telling the world about the major points which had emerged from its interview session with Trump!
Can it really be true? Can it be true that Caitlin Huey-Burns, the CBS correspondent who conducted the interview, was subjected to the candidate's latest recitation of the brilliant, unprecedented way he'd :"aced" his cognitive tests?
We assume that Huey-Burns was subjected to some such nonsense, but we can find no documentary evidence in support of this report.
As noted, CBS News never produced a transcript of the session Trump. On one of the network's streaming shows, CBS News did broadcast edited videotape of the interview session—videotape which ran a bit less than six minutes.
(In order to watch that videotape, you can click right here.)
That said, whoever edited that videotape had enough sense to eliminate Trump's transparent foolishness concerning those cognitive tests. For unknown reasons, reporter Watson chose to elevate Trump's vacuous comments about the cognitive tests to the very top of the CBS report.
So it went at CBS News as Huey-Burns interviewed Trump and Watson reported what happened.
It would be easy for progressives to wonder about Watson's approach to the material. She's a graduate of an evangelical college (Biola University, class of 2011) and before coming to CBS News, she spent five years working for a pair of conservative orgs, including The Daily Caller.
Fairness suggests a different judgment. Judging from the six minutes of tape, Huey-Burns's interview with Trump hadn't given Warson a whole lot to work with. For example, here's what happened when Huey-Burns raised the question of the possible PTSD:
HUEY-BURNS (8/19/24): We are one month removed from the assassination attempts on your life. I'm wondering if you are experiencing any PTSD from that experience?
TRUMP: No, not at all. But I do—I'm thinking about it. It's a miracle that I wasn't killed, as you know. You saw the flight of the bullet and everything else, You saw—they say an eighth of an inch away. An eighth of an inch! And there has to be a reason, and I do believe in God, and I also believe perhaps God has a purpose, that he wants to save this country. And I think that may have really been a reason.
We have to save our country Our country's going bad. We're a failed nation, we're failing very badly. Just take a look at the mess that's happening right now in Chicago.
The answer is, it was a very close, it was a very close call. An eighth of an inch and I wouldn't be talking to you right now. And I think God has a reason for doing things. and his reason might very well be that he wants to save this country—maybe save the world.
We don't know why Huey-Burns chose to ask that particular question. Whatever the reason might have been, the question gave Trump a chance to ruminate, for the ten millionth time, about the way God had plainly spared his life, quite possibly in order to save the world.
A more serious reporter might have chastised herself at that point for having triggered this latest, highly familiar presentation with that somewhat unusual question. By way of contrast, Huey-Burns reacted in the manner shown:
HUEY-BURNS (continuing directly): Have you suffered any other kinds of effects?
TRUMP: No, not at all. I haven't. I got better, I healed well, and I haven't. But it could have been—it could have been very bad.
This pointless exchange had now burned away about one-fourth of the six minutes seen on the videotape. In her news report, Watson selected this as the interview's major finding.
She even mentioned Trump's discussion of the way he allegedly aced his cognitive tests, a bit of material which was mercifully edited out of the videotape CBS News chose to air.
Why did Huey-Burns ask the question about PTSD? We have no idea. A bit later, she turned to the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
Her question was a bit of a softball. She then stood by in silence as Candidate Trump offered a rambling, repetitive filibuster which began, and eventually ended, with what is universally known to be a howling misstatement of fact:
HUEY-BURNS: You were influential in picking three Supreme Court Justice to overturn Roe v. Wade. Do you have any regrets about the overturning of Roe v. Wade?
TRUMP: Well, they've wanted to overturn it for 52 years. Fifty-two years, they've worked to overturn Roe v. Wade. They wanted to bring it back to the states. All legal scholars, all Democrats, all Repub—everybody wanted to bring it back. This is for years and decades and decades.
And they brought it back to the states. And now, the states are controlling it—it's in the hands of the states, and people are voting. And frankly, I believe in the exceptions, like Ronald Reagan believed in the exceptions. I think most people, most Republicans, do believe in the exceptions. And we are having a great response.
Ohio voted—and by the way, they voted more liberally than some people might have wanted. Kansas voted. Many of the states have voted, or are in the process of voting, and what it did is it brought it back to the states and allowed the people to vote. And after 52 years, we can clean up something that frankly has been a very hot bone of contention. We want to unify our country, and people have different thoughts on it and all.
And I will say this—that in some cases, it was a more liberal vote, or a more progressive vote, than some of these states would have thought, and in some cases it will perhaps be the other. But it's now in the hands of the people—and again, Democrats and Republicans, everybody, wanted to do this for 52 years, and I got it done. And we should never be in the federal government—the federal government should have nothing to do with this issue. It's being solved at the state level and people are very happy.
Mercifully, the rambling filibuster finally came to an end. That said, the filibuster began and ended with an absurdly inaccurate claim—with the ridiculous claim that all legal scholars, and all Democrats, had wanted Roe v. Wade to be overturned.
The candidate constantly makes this claim. Everyone knows how absurdly false it is.
In this instance, Trump used the ridiculous claim to begin and end his rambling statement. It's hard to know why any journalist wouldn't have responded by noting the sheer absurdity of this absurdly false claim.
Huey-Burns just stood there and took it! Incredibly, she "followed up" with this—and Trump began rambling again:
HUEY-BURNS (continuing directly): So no regrets?
TRUMP: No regrets, no. I wouldn't have regrets. Again, I did something that was, most people felt, undoable. They didn't want it in the federal government. It shouldn't be in the halls of the federal government. It should be in the state governments. And I was able to bring it back to the state governments and now the people are voting. And again, they're voting in many cases with the exceptions—the three exceptions, like Ronald Reagan, like myself.
Trump filibustered further. By now, he had burned two full minutes off the clock in discussing the way he had managed to do what everyone always had wanted.
Huey-Burns is a good, decent person, That said, her journalistic performance was so bad, as she spoke with Trump, that it barely fits on the charts.
In the roughly six minutes which CBS aired, she had started by asking the following question. This question dealt with a very serious topic—but it was the wrong question all the way down:
HUEY-BURNS: Will you accept the results of this election?
That's the first question on the videotape aired by CBS News. It deals with a very serious topic, but it's the easiest question in the world to answer.
It's also the wrong question to ask about this deadly serious topic. In fairness to Huey-Burns, many other high-end journalists have approached this topic this way.
In response to that question, Trump burned time off the clock, assuring Huey-Burns that he would indeed accept the results if the election is "free and fair." It's very easy to say such things, and such statements commit the candidate to no future behavior.
The more salient question involved in this topic would go something like this:
Why do you keep telling jam-packed audiences that the last election was stolen? You've had almost four years to present a white paper offering justification for this inflammatory claim. In the absence of some such evidence, why do you insist on making this angry claim?
That's the obvious way to approach this highly important matter. Like other high-end mainstream journalists, Huey-Burned lobbed a softball at the candidate, and Trump burned time off the clock.
This mist be one of the worst interviews we've ever seen a journalist perform. Even more embarrassing is what happened after the six minutes of videotape stopped playing on The Daily Report with John Dickerson, the CBS streaming broadcast to which we have referred.
Jericka Duncan was guest hosting that evening. Incredibly, her reaction was this:
DUNCAN (8/19/24): CBS News political correspondent Caitlin Huey-Burns joins me now with that great interview. I can only imagine sort of on the spot and being able to ask those questions about policy, one after the next.
Incredibly, Duncan marveled at the moxie Huey-Burns had displayed in conducting "that great interview." Duncan could only imagine being able to ask such fabulous questions!
On that same evening's CBS Evening News, Norah O'Donnell aired less than two minutes of the utterly worthless interview. Like Duncan, she and Robert Costa further embarrassed CBS News with their praise for Huey-Burns.
For the record, we chatted with Norah long ago, way back when she was just starting out at The Hotline. She was very bright and very pleasant. It was always obvious that was going to be a big star.
Back in 1999, we repeatedly praised her for the way she pushed back on Hardball against Chris Matthews in his sudden, developing "war against Gore." Norah O'Donnell has plenty of smarts and she displayed plenty of moxie at that time until, in the end, she gave up.
Robert Costa is plenty sharp too. Chatting with O'Donnell that night, he made reference to "Caitlin's excellent interview." In such ways, discourse dies.
Walter Cronkite, a serious person, was once the face of CBS News. We can go no further today, so we'll close by saying this:
A major nation is in big trouble when its major mainstream news orgs have become as silly and as pitiful, as fatuous / feckless as this.