BAYOUS: Was something wrong with Caligula's horse?

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 18. 2024

Could something be lacking in Us? Was something wrong with the emperor Caligula? Was there anything wrong with his horse?

The famous strongman and his famous steed have been mentioned in recent days, most often by commentators in Blue America. Uniformly, a connection has been drawn to Donald J. Trump's nomination of Matt Gaetz to serve as attorney general.

Caligula has been back in the news! But just who was this famous man, and what was the story with his horse? The leading authority on his life and times starts its lengthy account as shown:

Caligula

Gaius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (31 August 12 - 24 January 41), better known by his nickname Caligula, was Roman emperor from AD 37 until his assassination in AD 41. He was the son of the Roman general Germanicus and Augustus' granddaughter Agrippina the Elder, members of the first ruling family of the Roman Empire. He was born two years before Tiberius was made emperor...

Germanicus died in Antioch in 19, and Agrippina returned with her six children to Rome, where she became entangled in a bitter feud with Emperor Tiberius, who was Germanicus' biological uncle and adoptive father. The conflict eventually led to the destruction of her family, with Caligula as the sole male survivor. In 26, Tiberius withdrew from public life to the island of Capri, and in 31, Caligula joined him there. Tiberius died in 37 and Caligula succeeded him as emperor, at the age of 24.

Of the few surviving sources about Caligula and his four-year reign, most were written by members of the nobility and senate, long after the events they purport to describe. For the early part of his reign, he is said to have been "good, generous, fair and community-spirited" but increasingly self-indulgent, cruel, sadistic, extravagant and sexually perverted thereafter; an insane, murderous tyrant who demanded and received worship as a living god, humiliated his Senate, and planned to make his horse a consul. Most modern commentaries seek to explain Caligula's position, personality and historical context. Many of the allegations against him are dismissed by some historians as misunderstandings, exaggeration, mockery or malicious fantasy.

The word "insane" is already present in the third paragraph of this lengthy report. By modern convention, we're allowed to introduce such concepts into political analyses, but only after thousands of years have passed.

The matter of Caligula's horse is also mentioned in paragraph 3. That said, did Caligula really plan to make his horse a "consul" (a very high-ranking figure)?

Beyond that, was this emperor "insane?" Also, what would that claim even mean?

We can't necessarily answer every question. Concerning the emperor's horse, the authority starts by telling us this:

Public profile

Caligula shared many of the popular passions and enthusiasms of the lower classes and young aristocrats: public spectacles, particularly gladiator contests, chariot and horse racing, the theatre and gambling, but all on a scale with which the nobility could not match. He trained with professional gladiators and staged exceptionally lavish gladiator games, being granted exemption by the senate from the sumptuary laws that limited the number of gladiators to be kept in Rome. He was openly and vocally partisan in his uninhibited support or disapproval of particular charioteers, racing teams, gladiators and actors, shouting encouragement or scorn, sometimes singing along with paid performers or declaiming the actors' lines, and generally behaving as "one of the crowd." 
In gladiator contests, he supported the parmularius type, who fought using small, round shields. In chariot races, he supported the Greens, and personally drove his favorite racehorse, Incitatus ("Speedy") as a member of the Green faction. Most of Rome's aristocracy would have found this an unprecedented, unacceptable indignity for any of their number, let alone their emperor.

It sounds like the emperor was a "populist." Rightly or wrongly, broad comparisons to a certain contemporary figure are already coming to mind.

At any rate, Incitatus ("Speedy") is said to have been the emperor's favorite horse. Quite a bit later, Incitatus gets his own sub-section of this profile, and we return to the scene of the recent comparisons:

Incitatus

[The historians] Suetonius and Dio outline Caligula's supposed proposal to promote his favorite racehorse, Incitatus ("Swift"), to consul, and later, a priest of his own cult. This could have been an extended joke, created by Caligula himself in mockery of the senate. A persistent, popular belief that Caligula actually promoted his horse to consul has become "a byword for the promotion of incompetents," especially in political life. It may have been one of Caligula's many oblique, malicious or darkly humorous insults, mostly directed at the senatorial class...Suetonius, possibly failing to get the joke, presents it as further proof of Caligula's insanity, adding circumstantial details more usually expected of the senatorial nobility, including palaces, servants and golden goblets, and invitations to banquets.

It may have been a type of joke! For the record, Incitatus has his own Wikipedia page, and that page tells us this:

Incitatus

Incitatus (meaning "swift" or "at full gallop") was the favorite horse of Roman Emperor Caligula (r. 37–41 AD). According to legend, Caligula planned to make the horse a consul, although ancient sources are clear that this did not occur. Supposedly, Incitatus had 18 servants for himself, he lived in a marble stable, walked in a harness decorated with rare and special stones/jewels, and dressed in purple (the color of royalty) and ate from an ivory manger.

According to Suetonius, in the Lives of the Twelve Caesars (121 AD), Caligula planned to make Incitatus a consul, and the horse would "invite" dignitaries to dine with him in a house outfitted with servants there to entertain such events. Suetonius also wrote that the horse had a stable of marble, with an ivory manger, purple blankets and a collar of precious stones.

Cassius Dio (165–235 AD) indicated that the horse was attended by servants and was fed oats mixed with gold flake, and that Caligula made the horse a priest.

The accuracy of the received history is generally questioned. Historians such as Anthony A. Barrett suggest that later Roman chroniclers such as Suetonius and Dio Cassius were influenced by the political situation of their own times, when it may have been useful to the current emperors to discredit the earlier Julio-Claudian emperors. Also, the lurid nature of the story added spice to their narratives and won them additional readers.

Then as now, it seems that we the people may have preferred lurid tales, responding to them as to a type of spice. At any rate, modern historians apparently suggest that there was no nomination of the emperor's horse, nor did he become a priest.

Let's return to the profile of Caligula, and to the question of insanity. The leading authority tells us this about the emperor's "mental condition"

Mental condition

There is no reliable evidence of Caligula's mental state at any time in his life. Had he been thought truly insane, his misdeeds would not have been thought his fault: Winterling points out that in Roman law, the insane were not legally responsible for their actions, no matter how extreme. Responsibility for their control and restraint fell on those around them. 

In the course of their narratives, all the primary and contemporary sources give reasons to discredit and ultimately condemn Caligula, for offences against proprieties of class, religion or his role as emperor. "Thus, his acts should be seen from other angles, and the search for 'mad Caligula' abandoned" (Barbara Sidwell). Barrett suggests that from a very early age, with the loss of his father, then of his mother and what remained of his family, Caligula was preoccupied with his own survival. Given near limitless powers to use as he saw fit, he used them to feed his sense of self-importance, "practically devoid of any sense of moral responsibility, a man for whom the tenure of the principate was little more than an opportunity to exercise power" (Barrett). Caligula "clearly had a highly developed sense of the absurd, resulting in a form of humor that was often cruel, sadistic and malicious, and which made its impact essentially by cleverly scoring points over those who were in no position to respond in kind" (Barrett).

Philo saw Caligula's illness of 37 as a form of nervous collapse, a response to the extreme stresses and strains of Imperial rule, for which Caligula was temperamentally ill-equipped. Philo, Josephus and Seneca see Caligula's apparent "insanity" as an underlying personality trait accentuated through self-indulgence and the unlimited exercise of power. Seneca acknowledges that Caligula's promotion to emperor seemed to make him more arrogant, angry and insulting. Several modern sources suggest underlying medical conditions as explanations for some aspects of his behavior and appearance. They include mania, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, encephalitis, meningitis, and epilepsy, the so-called "falling sickness." 

Sidwell seems to believe that Caligula wasn't "insane." On the other hand, the behaviors described in that passage seem to suggest the presence of the types of (serious) "personality disorders" which constitute a major part of this branch of contemporary medical science.

As we noted again last week, something like 5.5% of adult men can be diagnosed as "sociopaths," if you believe in such science. We offer this additional point:

If the authority can be credited, the concept of "insanity" already existed at the time in question. That said, people judged to be insane were not regarded as possessing moral agency:

("Had [Caligula] been thought truly insane, his misdeeds would not have been thought his fault.")

Was "something wrong" with Caligula? Was he somehow "mentally ill?" Or was he simply a type of populist with an unusual sense of humor? 

We can't help you with that! But in the past week, this apocryphal story about the emperor has been cited by some of Blue America's leading pundits, with at least one of Donald J. Trump's recent nominees cast in the role of the horse.

Is Matt Gaetz a reincarnation of Caligula's horse? How about such nominees as Hegseth, Gabbard and Kennedy Jr.?

Can Musk be shoehorned into this picture? Also, is it possible that Donald J. Trump is psychologically challenged ("mentally ill") in some diagnosable way? Or does he simply have a certain sense of humor? 

Regarding the first possibility, public discussion will likely begin at some point around the year 4000. In the present day, Blue America's pundit class will continue to stumble about, looking for acceptable ways to discuss a situation which seems to be truly remarkable from the Blue point of view.

The incoming president has made some unexpected nominations. In the case of Gaetz, the nominee seems to be so absurdly ill-suited that he has been compared to Speedy, the earlier emperor's horse.

Along the way, it's been said that Caligula was insane. Or perhaps he simply became "increasingly self-indulgent, cruel, sadistic, extravagant and sexually perverted," leading him to indulge his great fondness for the gladiator games.

On Saturday night, the winning candidate in this year's election appeared at Madison Square Gaden again—this time, at a jampacked UFC mixed martial arts event. As part of the fealty shown to the populist, a nearly naked gladiator leaped over the top of the UFC cage to offer a tribute to Trump and to his group of high-profile companions.

Professional "wrestlers" are back in vogue on our "cable news" TV shows. So are D-list comedians. 

That's happening in Red America, where a revolt seems to be underway. Over here in Blue America, the limits of human discernment have been on display for many years, often in ways that we the Blues may not be equipped to see or understand.

May their first child be a masculine child! It's a famous sentiment voiced in the famous film, The Godfather

Over there in Red America, gender politics straight outta the Iliad are suddenly back in vogue at the top of the winning candidate's inner circle. We'll have more about this striking state of affairs in the days and weeks ahead.

Indeed, madness is back in a hundred ways within our failing discourse. Because there's no obvious American precedent for what is currently happening, Blue America's pundits are having a hard time finding ways to describe it.

We'd say it's straight outta Eyes Wide Shut, but also straight outta Gladiator. That said, how about us in Blue America? What's going on with Us?

More specifically, how did we ever lose to this guy? What might we have done, along the way, to bring this apparently dangerous situation to pass?

This situation is very strange. It seems to us that we need to expand the ways in which we try to comprehend the current situation.

In our view, the current situation in Red America seems to have arrived straight outta Eyes Wide Shut, though also straight outta Caligula. 

That said, where do we Blues come from? Could it be that major shortcomings also exist Over Here? 

Tomorrow: We add to our list of (Blue) bayous


115 comments:

  1. “Morning Joe” hosts and vicious Donald Trump critics Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski revealed Monday they had a “personal” sit-down with the president-elect in Florida to “restart communications” — after conceding that voters overwhelmingly made their choice.

    The MSNBC co-hosts, who have repeatedly bashed the Republican on air over the years, said they had a face-to-face with Trump at his Mar-a-Lago estate on Friday — their first meeting in seven years — after reaching out in the wake of his election win.

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    1. Kissing the ring of Putin's bitch.
      Vlad must be laughing his ass off.

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    2. Joe and Mika are shameless whores. Dumb are the people who couldn’t see through their BS over the last 8 years and a different shade of their BS before that.

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    3. Cecelia arrives and so do other right wing trolls like this one. Yet she claims she always uses a nym. Or maybe all the trolls start at the same hour at the troll farm.

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    4. Um, anon 12:10, people who defend the blogger are by definition not trolls. People like you, who either thru excessive dumbness or malice constantly distort logic in unfailingly finding fault with him, are by definition trolls. I thought I'd correct you on that.

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    5. 2:54,
      Like flies to shit.

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    6. That isn’t the definition of a troll, AC.

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  2. None of this critique can be taken seriously in the wake of the Democrat freak show administration filled with men in tight dresses and high heels stealing suitcases and other men wearing the uniform and high heels calling themselves "Rachel."

    Add to that morally unhinged men who appear normal on the outside but are corrupt to the core, who initiated endless witch hunts against their political opponent, the president-elect.

    It's enough to make Caligula blush. Biden appointing his pets to those positions and most others would have been an improvement.

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    1. It's ok, King Orange Chickenshit can't commit any crimes. DEI hire Clarence Thomas says so.

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    2. “ men in tight dresses”
      Does that turn you on, 10:30? Because it sounds like it turns you on.

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    3. The latent homosexuality present in Republicans is increasingly palpable and goes a long way towards explaining their disordered personality traits.

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    4. Homosexuality is not clinically associated with disordered personality. It is the "latent" or the denial of one's homosexuality that is the disorder.

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    5. Yes, that was my point.

      Homosexuality is normal and natural.

      Denying this is where the dissonance creeps in and starts to warp the mind.

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    6. Never fails. Anonymices always always always end up doing the equivalent of calling their contrarians ‘fags’.

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    7. Nobody here is calling anyone a “fag”, your inability with respect to reading comprehension is exposing the hate in your heart. Sad.

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    8. Anonymouse 2:29pm, that’s absolutely what you’re doing.

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    9. Sensitive much?

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    10. Anonymouse 3:13pm, hypocrite much?

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    11. anon 10:30, is it necessary to make your point, assuming you had one other than insulting libs, to absurdly claim that the Democratic administration was "filled with men in tight dresses and high heels stealing suitcases [?] and other men wearing the uniform [what uniform?] and high heels and calling themselves Rachel." I don't think your approach helps things.I agree, dems went off the rails over race and "gender" and the whole Russia thing, but I'm not assured your chosen POTUS and the changes he plans to bring will improve things; more likely will make things worse.

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    12. A senior Biden health appointee is openly transgender, calls herself Rachel (Rachel Levine, the U.S. assistant secretary for health).

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    13. Well thank god the nightmare of a transgender official in government is over. Government is rightfully about enriching the dictator president and his family, a manly dictator, mind you, who wears thick bronze makeup and a girdle. Oh and also protecting sex criminals, as long as the crime was perpetrated by a manly man on an underage girl. But yeah, that Rachel Levine…

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    14. AC/MA,
      Once the media made the collective decision to disappear the open bigotry of Republican voters as the reason Trump was elected President in 2016, stories like Russiagate were inevitable.

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    15. Many, perhaps most, trans people don’t tell anyone and go unnoticed wherever they work. Odds are these transphobic Republicans know and interact with them without a thought.

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    16. So now Rachel Levine is a rapist?

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    17. Anonymouse 4:57pm, that’s true. We generally walk by people all the time and take no notice, unless we’re forced to via mandated seminars at school or work, pronoun instructions, and drag queens in libraries.

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    18. Jesus Christ has nobody commenting on the felon and his criminal AG burying the Mueller report read the thing. Just this summer five or so media influencers were found to have been paid millions by RT to shit on Ukraine. You can't have an informed opinion if you are misinformed. Also, news flash, Trump has been known to flat out fucking lie about everything. Sheeple.

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  3. I wonder how much cooperation there is between Trump and Biden regarding foreign policy challenges that will continue after Trump is in office. Did they discuss allowing Ukraine to use long range missiles to attack Russia? What to do about the Houthi’s? About Iran? I hope so,

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    1. Trump ran out of town in 2021 without cooperating in any mature and patriotic transition.
      This time Trump is refusing to sign the ethics form which allows a sharing of classified information.

      Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal.

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    2. Trump has been consulting Putin on those matters.

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    3. You're not really that dumb, DIC, to publicly worry about this transition, or are you? Any blame to be had if not smooth can be placed at the feet of the clown that didn't provide for one after the 2020 election, and , of course the fools like yourself who elected him. Yeah, it's on you, so why are you worrying about it publicly?

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    4. DiC, they’ve likely to have already gotten a FISA warrant and are listening in to everyone at this point. I wouldn’t sweat the Houthis.

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    5. The Houthis?

      Didn't you recently tell us they'd called it all off as soon as strong daddy Trump was elected? What happened?

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    6. Yes, let’s take the nutty trolls seriously, that makes sense. Sure.

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    7. Anonymouse 2:44pm, you have nothing but contempt for Bob and his blog. You’re the trolls.

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    8. And contempt for you too, don’t forget.

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    9. Cecilia, I for one am looking forward to Trump ending the Ukraine - Russia war in 1 day, as promised. Plus opening up the country to bitcoin. Once again, America will be great.

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    10. Let's hope that fiasco is stopped asap as it has left so many dead and was always a stupid folly created by our country's lunatic neocons.

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    11. AC/MC, me too. But most of all I’m looking forward to my Trump Inaugural Bath Soap. There’s gold dust in every bar.

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    12. If you say so, Mr. Soros.

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    13. 4:20,
      That reminds me of the time Trump raped a 13-year old, because she looked his daughter he wanted to fuck.
      Enjoy the gold dust.

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    14. 4:38,
      Which month and year are you referring to, when Trump raped a 13-year old, because she looked like his daughter he wanted to fuck? I want to make sure we're both remembering the same instance.

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    15. 'Did they discuss allowing Ukraine to use long range missiles to attack Russia?"

      My sources say it was mostly schlong talk and arm wrestling.

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    16. See the depositions released from Maxwell’s trial, where Ghislaine was convicted of sex trafficking (with Trump’s buddy Epstein). The girl involved tells all as sworn testimony. Use google. The evidence was made public.

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    17. Anonymouse 4:38pm, and you enjoy your fantasies.

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  4. Did Somerby miss the part where Wikipedia says that Caligula was assassinated? That is what Rome did when its emperors stepped out of line.

    "It sounds like the emperor was a "populist." Caligula didn't have to be elected, so the idea that he was engaging in his love of violence to woo the ordinary people is off-base.

    It doesn't matter whether Caligula was insane or not. His behavior got him killed because he couldn't function as an effective ruler. We don't do things the same way in our country.

    I do not understand why Somerby is so enamored of these ancient stories, particularly the ones of wrongdoing and violence. There was nothing funny and nothing admirable about Caligula. There are, however, white supremacists who admire those times, using the Iliad and stories of ancient Rome for inspiration and justification of their own warped views, urges and needs. Are they insane? Again, it doesn't matter. What matters is protecting society from their actions, no matter what their motives.

    We rewatched Gladiator (the movie) last night in anticipation of Gladiator 2. It was about Commodus, son of Marcus Aurelius. He behaved liked Caligula and was also assassinated. The film is fiction, but the method of dealing with corrupt emperors seems to have been a tradition. Trump is too old to engage in such debauchery. He may die in office, but more likely of ill health. His VP, Vance, seems to be cut from different cloth. He is unlikely to be a good president but he won't be a power-crazed narcissist fascinated by incest, like Trump, Caligula, and Commodus.

    If Somerby is suggesting that Trump's acts are pranks, like the cruelty of those Roman emperors, he is most likely wrong. Trump has been described as the most ignorant and stupid leader on our planet, so his choices of cabinet are more likely the result of flattery and a belief that if someone looks like a leader, they must be one. Like many ignorant people, Trump doesn't appear to be able to stand being shown up by others, so he selects those who will not or cannot outshine himself. Meanwhile he looks to other tyrants for ideas, so we can expect to be ruled by Putin. With lucky and a distributed system of governance, we can outlast Trump and his grifters.

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    1. Birds of a feather…

      Trump is surrounding himself with like minded people.

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    2. Others suggest Trump is creating a distraction so billionaires can begin looting.

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  5. Bob, Comma La went thru more than a billion dollars in 107 days and is currently leaning on donors to mop up 20 million in debt. Caligula’s horse would have been a better manager.

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    1. Lame trolling. Harris was running for emperor, not consul, in Roman terms. Harris didn't lose because she spent too much money, moron.

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    2. Harris's poor management of campaign funds suggest that as President she might not have been a good manager of federal spending.

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    3. Trump was fined nearly half a billion for his corrupt business practices in New York. He had to pay $25 million to victims of his corrupt university. He stole money from children's cancer charity. “How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business”

      He added $8 trillion to the national debt the first time around.

      And Dickhead has the fucking balls to judge Kamala's potential management of federal spending!

      Go fuck yourself, Dickhead in Cal. Fuck yourself straight to hell.

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    4. Did you buy your bible yet, Dickhead in Cal? How much of the contributions to his campaign went to pay his lawyers, Dickhead?

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    5. Anonymouse 12:09pm, no, Harris lost because despite spending a billion. Pelosi wishes she’d have ran the horse.

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    6. We don't know yet why Harris lost.

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    7. The $20 million debt remains unconfirmed but if Harris was good enough on budgeting to be off by only 2%, then she easily outdoes the people that manage our federal budget.

      But this is nonsense, since candidates do not manage the budget of their campaigns.

      Trump infamously is poor at managing budgets, both in business and in government: all his business ventures went belly up, having to file for bankruptcy 6 times, and he blew up the debt, adding more to our national debt than any other president, at a rate of $2 billion per year. Trump now owes more than he owns, so it’s pretty rich for Trumpers to try to point fingers at others.

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    8. Anonymouse 1:30pm, not to worry. It was all among friends.

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    9. 1:38 this is inaccurate. Trump blew up our debt to enrich the top 1%, who are not our friends.

      E Jean Carroll, and all the other victims of Trump’s corruption and criminality, were not Trump’s friends.

      Conflating victims with friends certainly is telling, good to know.

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    10. The landscape is dotted with venues that have not been compensated by the Trump campaign, so STFU, the thing that calls itself Cecelia.Albuquerque has employed bill collectors for a half million they are owed by the Trump campaign. Apparently they were naive enough to believe that the grifter pays his bills.

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    11. Anonymouse 2:04pm, did you not read what I said? What’s a billion dollars between Comma La and her friend? They’re worth it!

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    12. Harris bibles are sweeping the nation, along with Harris trading cards, Harris bottled water, Harris steaks, attending Harris University, wearing Harris shoes, etc.

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    13. Anonymouse 2:34pm, two days and it will all be on the shelves of Big Lots.

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    14. The New York Times reported that the campaign spent $1.5 billion, including part of it on "drone shows".

      People are seeking a detailed analysis of where the money went because Harris lost the national popular vote and every battleground state.

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    15. Drone show?

      With Comma La as the queen bee?

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    16. Cecelia,
      What's the deal with Harris not stealing from a children's cancer charity?
      Between that, and having consensual sexual relations, she's comes across as an elitist, who doesn't respect the ways of the Right. It's no wonder people felt she couldn't bridge the divide between immigrants and the white people, who they totally outclass on the job market.

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    17. Word is, Harris only has consensual sexual relations to rub the noses of Republicans in it. She (rightfully) thinks they'll be jealous because it's something they can't experience.

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    18. Anonymices 4:22p and 4:31pm, the only deal anonymices should be aware of is “over-reach”. As in you’ve over-reached so much you could use your arm as a belt.

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    19. "People are seeking a detailed analysis ..."

      Oh, really? Which people are those?

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  6. There seem to be commonalities across time when it comes to evil doing and men's misbehavior. Perhaps there are only so many ways to be bad, or Roman leaders lacked imagination (as we know Trump does). There are only so many ways to abuse power in a given society. Eventually, the abused people get tired of it.

    An emperor gets to engage in fantasies of hand-to-hand war while his safety is being protected. Trump has always been like that. The consequences that might impose restraints on a person do not exist for Trump. So he indulges himself, as other stupid men in power have done.

    So, what is Somerby's point? Somerby helped elect Trump and he is thus partially responsible for what Trump does. His vicarious enjoyment of evil Roman antics is a kind of "I told you so" and he sanewashes Caligula by calling him a populist, just as Trump's admirers have done.

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    1. Somerby can’t experience the thrill of being influential and relevant, so he gets off on spite instead.

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    2. "Somerby helped elect Trump and he is thus partially responsible for what Trump does."

      Not 'partially'. Totally!! It's all Bob's fault and this is no time to be a squish.

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    3. Anonymices pep talking each other about Bob tells you everything you need to know.

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  7. Fuck Caligula. Trump's now below 50% of the popular vote!

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    1. Nick Tesla, don’t be impatient. They’re still counting votes. In another week they’ll have counted more ballots than there are people.

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    2. Even when the full vote is counted, turnout this election is low, particularly for Dems.

      Which means all the voter suppression employed by Republicans was more impactful than usual.

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    3. Anonymouse 2:01pm, or…. Democrats weren’t thrilled with Harris and Walz.

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    4. Those are not mutually exclusive, obviously there was something different about Harris, and it wasn’t the campaign since it was nearly identical to Biden’s. No, it’s something else…

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    5. Or voters weren’t thrilled with Dems for dumping Biden.

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    6. Biden would have probably eked out a win, Newsom would have won handily, you can see where the country is on this…

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    7. Anonymouse 2:43pm, Biden hasn’t been running the country in years. They’ve whisked him out of town on “vacation” now and the footage taken by his press corp is absolutely dismaying.

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    8. Holy, Biden had nothing to do with inflation, Batman at 3:11.

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    9. "In another week they’ll have counted more ballots than there are people."

      Ha! Because of all the election fraud, right?
      Except that--wait--the right is no longer talking about election fraud....can't imagine why...it was worth lying about right up until the election....then poof! It went away.

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    10. Meetings with world leaders aren’t vacations.

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    11. Anonymouse 4:43pm, when you decide if it’s “Ha!” Cecelia is talking about election fraud or “Ha!” the right is no longer talking about election fraud, let my social secretary know.

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  8. Trump won. Blue tribe people should have the grace to give him a chance. If you don’t want to do that, go ahead and scream all you want. Nobody gives a shit about anymore what NYT/WaPo/PBS/CBS/NBC/CBS/NPR/CNN have to say about anything. Get ready for the wrecking ball.

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    1. He had a chance. In his last term, he killed 400,000+ people because he couldn't deal effectively with covid.

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    2. To hell with your sensitive feelings, snowflake at 11:57:

      Arizona just passed Prop. 313, which locks in a mandatory life sentence for anyone convicted of sex trafficking a minor. Trump just appointed Matt Gaetz, currently under suspicion for just such a crime, Attorney General of the United States.
      -Robbie Sherwood

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    3. White people are fucked in this country, and Trump is driving the train that'll fuck them.
      Bet on it.

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  9. Somerby is correct that his admiration for the sexual politics of the Iliad and Rome is a male fantasy. But half of our country is female. Women are not going back to those bad old days.

    I do not understand how Trump was elected, except that too many voters were unclear what he stands for. They might have thought that electing Trump was akin to Caligula making his horse a consul, but we are now stuck with the moron they voted for. That isn't any kind of populism, although it may be more male vengeance-seeking. But the joke is on our country, not whoever men are mad at these days.

    The feeling of grievance that motivates vengeance-seeking arises from a sense of entitlement. Too many men feel that entitlement instead of the humility that comes from affiliating with a family, a community and a larger cause (love of country, for example). These guys want what they believe is coming to them. But as history shows, it may not be what they think.

    At least some women are considering whether they might be better off without male partners. Our birth rate is already declining, as is the marriage rate. Women would be foolish to place themselves under the dominion of men who think they are owed whatever they can take by force. Women can and will protect themselves from male abuse. Even Melania is doing so.

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    1. The Future is Male.

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    2. The past was male, the future is female or there won't be any future for humanity. Women have the babies and without them males die out.

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    3. Anonymouse 1:23pm, men birth babies too, bigot. They will not be ignored!…

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    4. Anonymouse 12:02pm, you don’t need to inform us of this. They’re all on X shrieking, flipping everyone off, shaving their heads, and otherwise filming their breakdowns. It’s been delicious.

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    5. Women are subservient to men, and people of color are inferior to Whites.

      That’s what the election was about.

      It was about men and Whites finally taking back what they perceive as their natural power.

      If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with God.

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    6. Anonymouse 1:37pm, women with penises or vaginas?

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    7. That’s of no consequence.

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    8. Anonymouse. 1:50pm, of course it has consequences that you should consider. Men with vaginas may be ruthless.

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    9. The point is men are in control, as God intended. Get over it.

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    10. Men are not in control while women have something they want. Men have forgotten they need to be nice.

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    11. Real men take what they want.

      That’s what this election was about.

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    12. Rumored next James Cameron movie:

      T4 - the Rise of the Small-Penis Incels.

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    13. That’s what all those dept store looting gangs were about too. Taking. But women are people not stuff. Real men earn trust and respect by being good, decent, and nice, or they become clueless incels.

      Women will run from guys with tattoos like Hegseth, esp if they quote The Iliad.

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  10. Today’s post is brought to you by Wikipedia, and a lack of critical thinking skills.

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  11. “Women have the babies and without them males die out.”

    This ought to be on an t shirt for all anonymices.

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    1. Why? It is a fact of life.

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    2. "Fuck my feelings" ought to be on the t-shirt of all Republican voters.

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  12. I haven't seen or heard any Caligula references lately. I must be checking different sources than Our Host.

    Helen Mirren was most appealing in the movie, though.

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    1. I hope you realize that “appeal” was a one way street.

      Furthermore, getting off on another person’s fantasy, seems a bit sad, although not unhealthy, and certainly not uncommon.

      It is the number one use of the internet.

      Cool society we have developed, most people on the sidelines ogling others.

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    2. “I hope you realize that “appeal” was a one way street.”

      No, it wasn’t a one-way-street. Helen Mirren was looking down from that screen and ogling QiB right back.

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    3. Thank you, Cece. That's correct. She sent little starbursts through the screen, ricocheting around the theatre.

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    4. I hate to bust your bubble, QiB, but it was intermission and the stars were from a Skittles ad.

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    5. The last time there was intermission at a movie was Gone With The Wind. Maybe it is a thing in Eastern Europe.

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    6. Anonymouse 4:40pm, Borscht flavored Skittles don’t sell themselves.

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