SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2024
Plus, more text from Mary Trump: Was the recent election a "rout?" Was it "not even close?"
Was it "a wipeout," the language we heard on this morning's Fox & Friends Weekend, language which came from Mark Penn?
Is it true that "Democrats Were Crushed?" That's language from the headline someone placed on this Ed Kilgore essay—language we encountered today on a rebroadcast of an earlier Morning Joe segment.
You're asking important questions! In our view, before we traffic in Storyline, it's important for us to retain our hold on some basic facts.
With that in mind, and as the vote count slowly turns, here's the current state of the nationwide vote in the most recent White House election, CNN reporting:
Nationwide popular vote (to date), 2024
Candidate Trump: 76,453,640 (50.0%)
Candidate Harris: 73,755,129 (48.2%)
There was no seven percent resolution this year. By now, this year's ballyhooed two percent decimation has even ceased to exist.
As the nationwide vote count continues, the winning candidate's victory margin is down to something like 1.8 points. Also, with something approaching a million votes still unrecorded in California, his portion of the total vote is on the verge of dropping below 50 percent.
Candidate Trump did win the election, but did he produce a wipeout, a rout? Language like this is exciting and fun, but did some such event take place?
We'd be slow to say something like that. Also, consider this:
Candidate Trump had been running for more than nine years. Candidate Harris got to run for a bit more than three months.
Adjusting for length of opportunity, we'd be extremely reluctant to adopt the soul-stirring language in which she is said to have lost in a rout. That said, Storyline is a powerful god, and this great god routinely prevails.
As to why the winning candidate won this year's election at all, we'll be returning to that question on Monday. Readers will be asked to take The Blue America Challenge:
Are we able to imagine the possibility that those of us in Blue America may, in some amazingly tiny ways, possibly have managed to earn our way out?
Did we ourselves make mistakes? The notion seems absurd on its face, but we plan to examine it anyway, just to be extra safe.
This morning, we've continued to offer some basic numbers. Also, we thought we should probably offer you a bit more text from that best-selling book.
We refer to Mary Trump's 2020 best-seller, Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World's Most Dangerous Man.
As we've noted (again) in the past two days, Mary Trump flatly described her paternal grandfather, Fred Trump, as "a sociopath," though she didn't exactly go that far in describing her uncle, the incoming president.
Mary Trump is a clinical psychologist. That doesn't mean that her various assessments are automatically accurate. Still, her assessments remain, even after the mainstream press corps has agreed that they must never be reported, evaluated or discussed.
In the last two days, we've shown you some of Mary Trump's basic assessments concerning her aforementioned uncle. Today, we thought we'd post an additional passage concerning "sociopathy," which may or may not exist.
Does sociopathy really exist? If so, what does the term really mean? And what should we think about the moral agency of a person who can be diagnosed in some such way?
Our high-end press corps has agreed that such questions must be disappeared. But just for the record, we'll offer one more passage from Mary Trump's widely bowdlerized book.
This passage concerns her paternal grandparents, Fred and Mary Trump. In this passage, she ends up describing the reported prevalence of sociopathy in much the way we (once again) did on Thursday:
MARY TRUMP (pages 23-24): Mary and Fred were problematic parents from the very beginning. My grandmother rarely spoke to me about her own parents or childhood, so I can only speculate, but she was the youngest of ten children...and she grew up in an unhospitable environment [on an island off the coast of Scotland] in the early 1910s. Whether her own needs weren't sufficiently met when she was a child or for some other reason, she was the kind of mother who used her children to comfort herself rather than comforting them...
[,,,]
Whereas Mary was needy, Fred seemed to have no emotional needs at all. In fact, he was a high-functioning sociopath. Although uncommon, sociopathy is not rare, afflicting as much as 3 percent of the population. Seventy-five percent of those diagnosed are men. Symptoms of sociopathy include a lack of empathy, a facility for lying, an indifference to right and wrong, abusive behavior, and a lack of interest in the rights of others. Having a sociopath as a parent, especially if there is no one else around to mitigate the effects, all but guarantees severe disruption in how children understand themselves, regulate their emotions, and engage with the world.
Some of what Mary Trump writes in that passage is described as speculation. Much of what she writes in her book seems to have come from direct observation, or from conversations with Maryanne Trump Barry, Donald Trump's older sister.
Her statements about the reported prevalence of sociopathy have an objective basis, as we (again) noted on Thursday. She puts the overall prevalence of the condition at "as much as 3 percent," with a substantially higher prevalence in the case of men.
Matters like this can't be discussed within the current rules of our political journalism. Despite the flattering way we highly educated Americans tend to regard ourselves, our public discourse is too immature to permit such discussion.
That said, interesting questions arise as Mary Trump describes this condition. Are sociopaths "afflicted by" this condition, as her language has it? If so, how should we regard the moral agency of such people as they proceed through the world, behaving in the destructive ways Mary Trump describes?
No such discussions will complicate our political discourse! Our journalists went to the finest schools, but they aren't prepared to handle such topics. As one twentieth-century anthropologist memorably stated:
Where I come from, we only talk so long. After that, we start to hit.
“ her assessments remain, even after the mainstream press corps has agreed that they must never be reported, evaluated or discussed. “
ReplyDeleteMary Trump is a frequent guest on MSNBC, particularly Lawrence O’Donnell’s program, where she discusses her assessments.
That Somerby’s main thesis crumbles with a simple, single, matter of fact sentence, is telling. But you do need a triple digit IQ to understand this, which explains the tormented fanboys and their whining.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:42pm, watching O’Donnell precludes a triple digit IQ.
DeleteAct your age not your shoe size.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:09pm, is that original?
DeleteNo, but is Comma La' ioriginal? Stupid certainly, but original?
DeleteAnonymouse 9:29pm, that’s quite the negative take on the VP.
DeleteWas that original?
DeleteThere is sci-fi about regimes with invasive psychological categorization, forced medication, and the insistence that anyone unhappy with the regime must be mentally ill. Brave New World was one of the earliest, or see the film Brazil. There are good reasons not to diagnose and think about Trump or his "lost boys" as Somerby suggests. That misuse of state power would be worse than Trump's old-style fascism.
ReplyDeleteTrump is fine. Just lay back and enjoy the “ride”.
DeleteNo, Trump is not fine but mental health fascism is not a good alternative.
Delete"Trump is not fine..." Go ahead and explain that statement.
DeleteDeath by sharks or batteries.
DeleteHe no longer identifies as white. He is now orange.
DeleteTrump speaks highly of his parents. Trump’s kids all seem close to him. Mary Trump has a book coming out about her alienation and suffering via her parents and other family members. She is right now on X calling Republicans fascists.
ReplyDeleteDuly noted, Bob.
Your idea of a close family differs from the norm. Where is Melania these days?
DeleteHas anyone noticed that Trump and Melania are separated? I heard Elon will be the First Lady this time.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:06am, where is she supposed to be? They’re not going to be doing exuberant pieces on her in People or women’s magazines or fashion spreads in Vogue.
DeleteAfter Ivanka ratted out the old man to the FBI for stealing government documents, the odds of him getting to fuck her have fallen lower than Joe Biden's unemployment rate.
Deletehttps://www.nj.com/politics/2024/11/heaven-or-hell-trump-has-a-feeling-about-where-his-father-ended-up.html
DeleteI love how delusional Cecelia has to pretend to be in filling his comment quota.
DeleteFather Freddy was too busy with KKK marches and redlining to raise Donald, so the kid, at quite a young age, was sent off to military boarding school, and thankfully was out of sight and out of mind. This goes a long way to explain Trump’s odd behavior: he calls his children stupid and refuses to talk to at least one of them (Musk, anyone?), he sexualizes his own daughter, raping his wife, also a 13yo that reminded him of his own daughter, ~30 sexual assaults, taking Father Freddy’s half a billion and pissing it away, going bankrupt 6 times, committing all kinds of fraud including being convicted for felonies, selling out to Putin and other murky foreign figures, becoming a walking (sort of…as he drags his right leg around), slurring tub of lard that owes more than he owns, etc.
Anonymouse 12:14pm, have you read the family backgrounds of other presidents?
DeleteMary Trump is a survivor. Surviving and coming out on top seems to be part of that family’s culture.
She had a better father.
DeleteHey Cecelia, Tiffany would like a word with you. The other 3 are grifters who like to be in the game with pops. Worked out pretty well for Ivanka. Her Middle East peace dude husband pocketed $2B from KSA, $1B from Qatar, and $400M from UAE. Fucking Biden crime family.
DeleteAnonymous 9:32pm, was he in office, was Trump in office? It’s the typical stuff, but that’s been Kushner‘a ballpark via rich Arabs investing in property way before Trump’s presidency. He hasn’t sold paintings at 100k a pop, but likely would if he could, the difference being the media would howl if Trump was still in office.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:06pm, I think Mary Trump fights for knee-to-groin dominance in the same spirit of the rest of her family.
DeleteKushner's track record was so stellar that the bone saw prince invested 2 billion dollars of state money against the advice of his Saudi financial advisors.
DeleteYes Cecelia. The felon was in office when Kushner's 666 building was bailed out by Qatar's billion At the time Qatar was hosting 14,000 US troops. They were in a proxy war with KSA and UAE. The felon was bad mouthing Qatar at the time even with our troops on their ground.
DeleteDid Hunter ever work for the President or VP or was he a government official while working for Burisma??
If God didn't want Republican's accusing Hunter Biden of being a criminal, He'd have given Hunter a smaller dick.
DeleteWhat power does Somerby think any of us Dems have to use Article 25 once Trump has stacked his cabinet with loyalists?
ReplyDeleteIs Somerby suggesting that Harris should have called Trump crazy more often during her campaign?
The media.
DeleteLet's not let facts get in the way of people's feelings.
DeleteThe filibuster.
DeleteNow we're citing Mary Trump and using The View "sociopath" and "narcissist" language you usually hear among The View watching types? Between this and throwing around debunked rape allegations, it's again clear why there are no men remaining in the Democrat party.
ReplyDeleteWhite men overwhelmingly voted for Trump, because the FEEL Trump is going to keep immigrants from outclassing them on the job market.
DeleteThe irony is thatTrump calls them "losers".
Whatever you say, Mr. Soros.
DeleteFun Fact:
DeleteRight-wingers really only care about bigotry and white supremacy.
EVERYTHING else is negotiable.
#themoreyouknow
Mary Trump is a woman, therefore anything she claims can be dismissed.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:05, bigotry and white supremacy are negotiable on the left. It’s why they allowed the congressional black caucus and Joy Reid.
DeleteCecelia isn’t a woman, but we can still dismiss what he says, since it’s just loony rants and word salads, often hilariously so. To be fair, English is not his first language, so we can be a little forgiving with all the non sequiturs and malapropisms.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:57pm, well, yeah. Why would you treat me differently from anyone else who isn’t an anonymouse?
DeleteESL indeed, but the bitterness comes through anyway.
DeleteYes, just like your English, Mr. Soros.
DeleteI'm Scottish, stupid.
DeleteThis is the same post from yesterday, and the day before…
ReplyDeleteGun owners and cops selling guns to criminals on the black market, is a big problem in the USA.
ReplyDeleteI've heard a lot of talk, lately, about it leading to a violent crime outbreak.
DeleteCrime is way up and Blacks are to blame.
DeleteThat’s why we had to vote for Trump.
You'd think blacks would have learned their lesson, after Fox News blamed them for the housing crash caused by an epidemic of bank fraud.
DeleteTo be fair, some Blacks belong in the house, some Blacks belong in the field.
DeleteSweet iced tea for sipping on the veranda isn’t going to make itself.
Anonymouse 12:38 pm, exchange “anonymices” for “blacks” and you’ll come to a screeching stop. There’s nothing they can do.
DeleteYour sputtering is hilarious, Cecelia.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:59pm, you’re wearing it.
DeleteYou’re soaking in it.
DeleteTrump's coddling of white people, isn't going to work out for Trump or white people.
DeleteI would clean-up if Fanduels would take odds on that happening.
Hell with god-forsaken Nova Scotia, I am moving to Congo. I hate white people.
DeleteSomerby is an ass. My finger smells funny.
I am Corby.
@12:15 crime is way up and blacks are disproportionately the victims. You and people like you are to blame, because you supported reducing police protections.
Deletehttps://jabberwocking.com/did-crime-go-up-or-down-in-2022/
DeleteThanks for the link hardindr. You and Kevin Drum may be right. However, consider the following.
Delete1 Many crimes are not reported and so are not part of the data base. E.g., consider all the rioted after the murder of George Floyd. Few were arrested. Few of those conducting anti-israel demonstrtions on campuses were arrested.
2. The figures are nationwide. Black neighborhood statistics are more relevant for black Americans.
3. Crime in black neighborhoods is already unacceptably high, whether or not it's gone up. A lot of liberals think they're helping blacks by weakening police protection. Actually most blacks are honest people would would benefit from more police protection.
Crime is not “way up.” Reading your comments here is like experiencing every boomer with a conservative media-addled brain I have ever met. Please change where you get your information from.
Delete“A lot of liberals think ….” You can stop right there, cowboy. Correction: “My right wing talking heads instruct me to think that a lot of liberals think…” You silo is contaminated. You apparently like the stench.
DeleteCrime is so far up that it has come down in Texas, a border state the last time I checked, since 2020.
DeleteOh look, Dickhead in Cal is deflecting again. Let's all talk about Dickhead's sincere concern for black victims of the mythical "way up" crime rate. Everyone can safely ignore that little cocksucker.
DeleteHey DiC, Clarence Thomas is lazy and always looking for a handout from a white guy. Just like all of those people.
Delete"Many crimes are not reported..." Well, well, well. DIC has finally come around to acknowledging the existence of white collar crime. You can bet that the Trump administration will be laser focused on this criminal activity, right after they dismantle the FBI.
DeleteHey DiC, repubs actually reduced FBI funding as they pissed off their cult leader. Name one prominent Democrat who was calling for Defund the Police. The BLM phrase on posters, "Defund the Police" was an unfortunate shortening of "spend more money on mental health intervention training for police officers and calm down the over the top physical violence and tasings." Hard to fit that on a poster. Doesn't make it a bad idea.
DeleteTrump is a serial rapist/sexual assaulter, and he’s filling his admin with men that engage in similar behavior.
ReplyDeleteOne of the latest is Hegseth, who was a curious pick since Hegseth is a war hawk neocon, but now it makes more sense, turns out Hegseth is also a sexual assaulter, a perfect compadre to Trump.
People think Trump himself is the reason men aren't Democrats.
DeleteIt's not Trump that turned them rightward, it's the constant unfounded allegations of rape by cat ladies. Trump won support because he was accused by crazy cat ladies, not because of anything he said or did.
Plus, those damn Haitians eating the cats and dogs.
DeleteHow do you know they're unfounded?
DeleteHe repeatedly told Howard Stern how he sexually lusted for his underage daughter on air. You think that would have disqualified the sick man even without bragging about serial sexual assault to Billy Bush, or the years friendship with Epstein, and hoping for the best for Maxwell before her trial, or the fifty women who said he assaulted/raped them, or the adjudicated rape, or cheating on his third wife with a playboy bunny and porn star,. Clearly a man of moral integretude. I can see why libturds made you vote for the creep.
Delete“Where I come from, we only talk so long. After that, we start to hit.”
ReplyDeleteBob loves to misuse this quote, but Gene Brabender was a gentle giant who would be horrified by the way Bob is misappropriating it.
The notion behind Bob’s use of it also has nothing to do with anthropology, Bob knows nothing about anthropology, can not be bothered to get off his pot and learn the science, preferring instead to hide behind storytelling.
Anonymouse 12:24pm, where anonymices come from, anonymices only babble endlessly and after that, anonymices start to babble,
DeleteTriggered!
DeleteAnonymouse 12:47pm, no, I hit from jump.
DeleteAw, weak sauce, but thanks for trying, here’s your participation trophy.
DeleteAnonymouse 12:52pm, I had it and put it up somewhere. Feel behind you, you’ll find it.
DeleteCecilia’s self mocking….I can’t stop laughing.
DeleteSurely, he’s a plant, no?
Anonymouse 1:01pm, dig deeper. You’ll find that trophy.
DeleteI’m digging your grave.
DeleteAnonymouse 1:10pm, I’m digging your angst,
Delete12:24,
DeleteIf Bob is misappropriating these words, what did the gentle giant Brabender mean when he said them?
read the book “Ball Four”
DeleteI did. He meant it just like Bob is using it.
DeleteI don’t think the Cabinet matters that much today. Try this exercise. List the accomplishments and failures of current Cabinet members. Can you do it?
ReplyDeleteCan you name any cabinet members throughout history who had “accomplishments”?
DeleteCabinet members are supposed to carry out the functions of government according to the wishes of congress and the president in a competent manner, not make names for themselves in the media.
Trump is enacting what Bannon calls the “destruction of the administrative state” by installing cabinet secretaries who in some cases oppose the very existence of the department they are supposed to head or will be incompetent cronies to Trump. So your comment ignores that important context.
White Cabinet members matter, otherwise they’re just tokens.
DeleteTry this exercise. Did what I just posted come from anywhere but my own lazy ignorance?
DeleteYou having a stroke?
DeleteTry this exercise, list the cabinet members of Trump’s last administration and whether they supported his re-election this year.
DeleteTry this exercise. Ask yourself if it's possible there are significant events that occur in the world that you're not aware of.
DeleteTry this exercise. Ask yourself if your own mental masturbation is worth sharing with others.
DeleteTry this exercise. Ask yourself whether a barnyard animal could figure out how to unlock a gate faster than you could.
DeleteThat's right, David. The president's cabinet is composed entirely of useless figureheads who don't really do anything of consequence. They're just brought in once in a while to applaud the work of their great leader.
DeleteDumbass Dave - Biden's team actually did things we pay them to do, make things better for us. I would say Google the Secretaries of Labor, Interior, and Transportation for starters. You might learn that these folks, when Dems get good stuff done, instead of Repubes breaking shit and crying on Fox news all day.
DeleteAdding Dave, you really think two men with mug shots, one convicted, investigated by the DOJ, and promising retribution to their opponents will be a good thing? After the Supreme Court ruled Thrump is King of America? You are really going to be in a pretzel rationalizing these nasty and dangerous weirdos.
DeleteThe idea that DIC knows enough about what cabinet members do to pass judgement on the utility of their activities is ludicrous. You might as well have a toddler opining about the inner workings of the space program.
Delete"Are we able to imagine the possibility that those of us in Blue America may, in some amazingly tiny ways, possibly have managed to earn our way out?"
ReplyDeleteI don't think so.
What would Adam Smith and P. T. Barnum say to one another?
ReplyDeleteThat idiots tariffs will be a circus.
ReplyDeleteThe Dems lost the presidency, the Senate and the House yet their leadership is staying the same. They don't care if they win or lose because they are never held accountable. The leadership of the party is highly dishonest and immoral.
ReplyDeleteThat’s incredible. Bob has a true to life Mt. Olympus in the Democratic Party.,
DeleteWhat's incredible? That a Trump supporter should call out anyone else as highly dishonest and immoral? The number of Republicans in congress who called out Trump as unfit after Jan 5 only to kiss his boots when the power structure became clear to them would be incredible were it not for the fact that they are invertebrates.
DeleteI didn’t call the Democratic leadership dishonest and immoral. That’s your freudian. I expressed amazement that they reign like gods above the fray.
DeleteI wasn't responding to you.
DeleteDemocrats themselves cost the Democrats the elections. Their humiliating defeat on November 5 was due largely to their undeniable role in the Israeli war and genocide in Gaza.
DeleteAnnnddd…Trump is giving full support to Netanyahu to wipe out Gaza. I hope the people mad at Biden fully appreciate what they’re going to get.
Delete"The leadership of the party is highly dishonest and immoral." I says son, are you referring to the convicted felon, his pick for AG, a well documented child buggerer and drug fiend, or his sexually assaulting Defense Sec whose experience is combat duty and saying horrible shit on Fox; not running the countries largest department.
DeleteI was referring to the leadership of the Democratic Party.
DeleteOh, I thought you were referring to the Republican's Sec of HHS nominee who is responsible for killing people and whose wife committed suicide after finding his diary and reading about his 57 sexual encounters rated on a scale.
DeleteNope. Wasn't referring to them.
DeleteThere's no such thing as a Republican voter who cares about something other than bigotry and white supremacy.
DeleteTrump's not even in office and David is already on step 3 of the narcissist's mantra:
ReplyDelete1) It didn't happen, but
2) If it did, it's not that bad, but
3) if it is, it's not a big deal
Stand by. Next, these terrible appointments will be someone else's fault, not Trump's. That's step 4.
Well put. Step 3 indeed.
DeleteGreat appointments, judging by Mr. Soros and his faithful soros-bots' acting horrified.
DeleteDoes anyone know how long Arnold Palmer's schlong was? Anyone?
DeleteYes Quaker I am pretty near step 3. My concern is the effect on the country and the world. On this standard RFK Jr is a disaster. He probably would waste substantial health resources on crackpot ideas. And make them more acceptable.
DeleteOTOH it’s not clear to me just how Gaetz or Noem or Gabbard would affect you and me.
A sex-trafficking cokehead as chief law enforcement officer? Eh, NBD, amirite?
DeleteObama wanted RFK for the EPA.
Deletehttps://www.politico.com/story/2008/11/rfk-jr-too-controversial-for-epa-015403
That would be 16 years ago, but thanks for playing.
DeleteAt the time RFKJR still had a decent record as an environmental lawyer, not the brain wormed conspiracy nut he is today
DeleteCece, that was 10 whole years before RFK Jr. killed 83 Samoans with his anti-vax recklessness.
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DeleteQiB, there was also two infants who died after being vaccinated. This was due to a medication error. That would have affected parents’ decisions to say the least. You could sing the praises of vaccines to the skies and also explain that what happened with the infants was not due to vaccines, but you would still have plenty of parents who decided that they wouldn’t risk it.
DeleteIt’s a fine line to tread between allowing reasonable questions as to vaccines and stifling it entirely
Nurses make a mistake prepping the vaccine and tragically kill two babies. Conspiracists take advantage of a tragic human error and kill 83. Can't you see, vaccines are the problem!!!
Delete"He probably would waste substantial health resources on crackpot ideas. And make them more acceptable. OTOH it’s not clear to me just how Gaetz or Noem or Gabbard would affect you and me."
DeleteGaetz (child rapist), Noem (puppy murderer), Gabbard (putin asset) are so reasonable that a guy who could kill millions with his crackpot ideas is just fine overall, considering, and what not. I knew you were going to do this rationalizing of the crazy, you authoritarian cult person. Disappointing.
"It’s a fine line to tread between allowing reasonable questions as to vaccines and stifling it entirely"
DeleteRFKJr isn't even in the same time zone as that fine line.
The very expensive gender affirming surgery that DIC refers to somewhere on this blog recently costs $12k, or less than the $15k average price of a cholecystectomy in the US. 253 of these were performed on military enlisted during Trump's term although he wanted them to end, at a total cost of $ 3.1 million,, probably the same ballpark as the amount he overcharged the US taxpayer to house secret service at his resorts the 250 days he spent at them his first term ( their hanging out with Melanie off campus in Trump Tower will be a four year giant payday) . Now here's the fun part: about 85% of these were male to female transitions. Hegseth would like women out of combat positions in the armed services and most certainly will push for that. If he gets his way, the front lines will be manned exclusively by men and trans women by chromosomal definition.
ReplyDeleteAnonymouse 7:099am, if XY chromosome people can be women because they have some “knowing” that they are women, and XX chromosome peeps also have inate “knowing” they are men, then why is gender affirming surgery relevant in the slightest?
DeleteMen can have a vagina and birth babies and women can have penises and scrotum and have larger musculature, wider and longer feet, longer legs and arms, and facial hair.
Why would conforming to a superfluous societal standard via surgery (or for that matter in attire, hair, or the use of cosmetics) be something that anyone would encourage? Encourage in the slightest? With this “science” physicians and therapists consistently should discourage such attitudes and even refuse to accommodate them.
A paragon of empathy and logic, the thing that calls itself Cecelia.
DeleteI’ll take that as you not having an answer.
DeleteThat was the answer, dumbass. If someone is so unfortunate as to identify their gender as other than their birth assigned sex, their desire becomes to match their appearance to what they identify as their gender. Apparently a concept beyond your understanding.
DeleteAnonymouse 11:15am, if someone is what you call “unfortunate” to identify as a gender other than what he/she is born, then that is a psychological issue. It’s gender dysphoria and they need mental health treatment, not surgery.
DeleteIf people are born the gender that they say they are regardless of their anatomy, then surgery is perpetuating a lie, it’s endorsing false standards for males or females.
DeleteSome people who feel that their gender does not match their anatomy want to change their anatomy to match, ie they try to alleviate the sense of dysphoria. Where’s the lie?
DeleteAt any rate, not all such people have surgery. That’s a very small number. But ultimately people should have the freedom to do it, regardless of people like you who are revolted and want to ban it. Perhaps if you actually knew a transgender person and cares enough to learn from them, you’d stop your bullshit pontificating and hateful sophistry.
The lie is when people are pressured to address them with adopted, false pronouns and allow them in bathrooms of the opposite sex and to compete with the opposite sex.
DeleteNot so hard to understand.
Anonymouse 12:31pm, I don’t want to ban what is illogically called “gender affirming care” (although there are supposedly no anatomical features that are specific to one gender) even for people who argue that gender is a matter of self-perception rather than anatomy. However, insurance companies shouldn’t pay for it any more than they pay for breast enhancement for women. Insurance will pay cases of deformity or after a mastectomy because a woman with breasts had to have one or both removed, that’s different situation.
DeleteCertainly, gender affirming medical treatments of any sort should never be allowed for people less than 18. If gender is divorced from physical biology then there’s no need for surgery and the risks it involves. It’s tantamount to requesting a surgeon to remove a healthy arm or to add an extra nose to your face. It’s superfluous and it only furthers a false perception.
There is a single gene on the X chromosome that produces the male phenotype. If that gene is defective, an XY person is phenotypically female. That is simple Mendelian genetics. Some conditions are not that simple. Gene mapping has shown over 100 genes that can play a role in schizophrenia, for example. Simple minded individuals like the thing that calls itself Cecelia use their ignorance to advance an agenda that assumes choice is involved in a condition that is highly likely rooted in genetics, however complex. These are the same people who would argue that gays can be trained into heterosexuality. The word unfortunate was used above because of the stigma and ignorance imposed on these people by the thing that calls itself Cecelia and it’s ilk. And no, I do not advocate for xy individuals to compete in female sports.Renee Richardsultimately changed position on this matter.
Delete"highly likely rooted in genetics"
DeleteI don't suppose this high likelihood is based on any evidence?
Anonymouse 1:12pm, yes, there are schizophrenics and that illness can be genetically passed down amongst a family. However, , this doesn’t support an argument that exceptions should be treated like the norm as to psychosis or to genetics in general.
DeleteWe’re all well-aware that the anonymouse standard of erudition and debate is to tell others they are stupid or to cuss them out, but nobody cares. If people want “gender affirming care” it should on their dime and they should be adults. If people want to cross dress, so be it, (employers should decide if they wish to tolerate this) but otherwise stick to the sports team, restroom, and locker room designated for their anatomical features and assent to the pronouns that others use for them.
" a condition that is highly likely rooted in genetics."
DeleteIMO we shouldn't assume that gender dysphoria always has the same cause. My guess FWIW is that some are genetic and that many others have other causes.
"a condition that is highly likely rooted in genetics, however complex"
DeleteWhat does "highly likely" mean. Either the condition is rooted in genetics or it isn't, and science doesn't have that answer.
1:18-2:10. There is genetic evidence linking overrepresentation of multiple genes in transgenic people. Look it up. I am not interested in educating you. There is also radiographic evidence of brain architecture differences. You have opinions. Cling to them if you like.
Delete....My guess FWIW...... That number would be zero.
DeleteAnonymouse 2:32pm, then gender affirmation is playing into a social construct that would be better left to flame out.
DeleteAffirmation as to anatomy and social conventions.
DeleteGod is so silly attaching ejaculating penis' and big boobies on one body. Read 95% of gender surgery is removing the boobs and ID'ing as a man. People are nasty and suck most of the time. Punching down on minority others is sad. Grow up.
DeleteGod did that ovary thing with menstruation and pregnancy too. It’s not men…struation for nothing.
Delete2:52, 2:53 Are you actually trying to convey an idea here?
DeleteGod, you right wingers are fucking horrible on this topic. I wish you’d crawl back under the rock you came from. Fuck all of you. And yes I’m a transgender.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:50pm, well, if you’ve been commenting , you ( and your fellow anonymices) have only issued rebukes and statements saying that you don’t wish to discuss it. Well who made you reply in the first place?
Delete5:50 Ditto that and I am not transgender. Sorry you have to deal with cretins like these on a regular basis. They absolutely love punching down on minority groups.
DeleteOf course you would be well accepted if you were a Republican pedophile or serial sex offender. Fucking losers.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:25pm, it’s not punching down not to embrace your opinions wholeheartedly. If you’re not making a voluntary commenter into a martyr, you’re endlessly whining that Bob has hurt your feelings. Meanwhile you insult your opposition six ways to Sunday and none of us gives a hoot.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:27pm, says this stuff 25 times a day and it bothers no one, but anonymices will start whining at the drop of a hat.
DeleteNever insulted Bob like that. You must be confusing me with some other individual who is more well educated than you. Your word salad comments here are not worth deciphering.
DeleteNo, I’m not confusing you with anyone. You’re an anonymouse, you are all anonymices and they are all you. Otherwise, get a nym.
DeleteI’ll pop in here to say that Anons complaining about being confused for other Anons amuses me.
DeleteIs that all you have to offer to the discussion,PP? Maybe you should fuck off too. Will I be attacked now that I posted this under a nym? Probably, because right wingers are pieces of shit.
DeleteI am a transgender, you haven’t been attacked, you’ve been indirectly challenged by the subject matter. No one knew you are trans. No one knew you existed. YOUR response to the subject matter was an f-you. You could have read a single sentence and moved on.
DeleteYou are the attacker.
And like most anonymices, you’re also a crybully.
DeleteCrybully?
DeleteOh, that is fantastic.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/crybully
Deletenoun
, Plural cry·bul·lies.
a person who self-righteously harasses or intimidates others while playing the victim, especially of a perceived social injustice:
It’s just another group of crybullies who can’t cope with anyone’s views but their own.
Republican voters don't care about word definitions. They care about bigotry and white supremacy. Word definitions mean as much to them as economics.
DeleteJoe Rogan says we need a "crazy" President to shake up a corrupt system.
ReplyDeleteJoe Rogan says he has grown to like Trump, says Trump made him realize that sometimes it takes someone “completely crazy” to expose the system. “You’re getting what you get, that’s who the guy is… I’ve grown to like him.” “As time went on I was like, ‘Oh you need a guy that is completely crazy to expose how corrupt the whole system is…” “How they all collude together… they’re all choosing this very specific narrative and they’re running with it and they’re trying to destroy people with it.”
“I saw them do it with me during the covid thing…” Trump has successfully “exposed the system” over the past 8 years which is exactly why we saw many more big endorsements for him this time around. Many of his “crazy” claims which began in 2015/2016 ended up becoming true, proving to people that maybe Trump was right the whole time. Here are some examples: Joe Rogan: Saw how the system (media) ganged up on him over covid. Elon Musk: Saw how the system colluded with Big Tech (specifically Twitter) to silence conservatives. RFK: Saw how the left became the party of war, censorship and election rigging. These are all points that Trump had been making since 2015/2016. People realized he was right.
When I am looking for coherent ideas I always turn to Joe Rogan.
DeleteThere’s nothing corrupt about our system. Trump is corrupt.
DeleteAdults who use the freshman drop out, Joe Rogan, as a thought leader are pathetic.
DeleteRogan has 14.5 million followers. That’s about 3x the viewers of the most popular Fox show. lAnonymices are self-impressed to the max, but you’re none too bright. Comma La should have gone on when he invited her.
DeleteUsing viewership ratings as a proxy for intelligence are we? You must be hugely impressed with the collective intelligence of pornhub content. Makes perfect sense.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:33pm, again, she would have had exposure to 14 million people? If YOU were intelligent you’d understand and want to take advantage of his audience.,
DeleteTrump has successfully “exposed the system” over the past 8 years which is exactly why we saw many more big endorsements for him this time around.
DeleteThis is delusional.
Yes the answer to corruption in Government is to put a greasy life long chest in charge. So many examples of his cheating the Government while President I wouldn't know where to begin. Maybe the Post Office / Hotel. You are dumber than Joe Rogan DiC.
DeleteOK so now DIC is endorsing Rogan's commentary about Trump, in which he states that Trump is "completely crazy".Not to put too fine a point on that, but endorsing a candidate for president that you label " completely crazy" is the kind of thing only a dumb fuck like Rogan would do. Because "completely crazy" is a label that should never be used in the same sentence as President of the United States. It suggests the propensity to do things that are not well thought out, as in completely crazy things. So by definition, Joe Rogan endorsed a candidate for president that he believes has "completely crazy" thoughts. And DIC , who has never before in this comment section described Donald J Trump as completely crazy, now elects to cite Joe Rogan's comment that Trump is completely crazy as relevant to the kind of decisions that Trump will be making as president. These are the kind of intellectually bottom feeding Trump cultists that can look upon and give a pass to a career grifter who tried to engineer the subversion of our democracy, and watched for hours as the mob he ginned up assaulted and injured over 140 police officers. Is this the kind of completely crazy that anyone should be giving a pass to? If Trump and his sycophantic power hungry minions decide that court marshalling career armed forces officers over an Afghanistan withdrawal that involved at the outset Trump setting free 5,000 Taliban fighters, will Rogan and DIC be giving a pass to that? There is likely to be a considerable amount of buyer's remorse here if these clowns want to pit themselves against parts of government that even the rubes in the reddist of states figure to benefit them. But for now, in viewing the concoction of misfits that Trump has chosen so far for his next cabinet DIC can hang his hat on the Joe Rogan assessment of Donald J Trump: that he is completely crazy.
DeleteRight on brother, that DiC like it is.
DeletePeople like Rogan got the Felon to stop talking about Operation Warp Speed, one of his two good policy's. Rogan and his ilk proselytize about the evils of the Covid vax so they can grift $$ off selling ivermectin / other stuff to the cult. This results in the cult now booing the Felon when mentioning OWS. But R's feel like they are giving it to the man, so bad ass. So disproportionately more R's end up dying in +75% red counties than +75% blue. The Winners! Now the Felon is nominating nutcase RFKJR to destroy all cult's remaining faith in science. You can find this under the ten things authoritarians do, step 3. Felon before party, party before country. And remember planes are too heavy too fly, and boats are too heavy to float.
DeleteI don't know why people keep talking about Harris and the Democrats. The election is over. The Democrats lost the presidency, the popular vote, every swing state, the Senate and the House and spent a billion and half dollars in three months and still ended up in debt by twenty million. They asked their supporters to overlook sky-high grocery prices and rent, a crumbling social infrastructure, and the genocide in Gaza to support a recycled anti-Trump campaign and they predictably, lost support of Arabs and Muslims, Blacks, Latinos, young people, and even women. They only gained with rich Whites. They repeatedly called Trump a “felon,” as voters could plainly see they were using the judicial system to discredit him which was not only a failure but a serious political mistake and a diversion from the country's concern over oppression by powerful elites. They made it crystal clear they don't care about the working class and they were punished for it But the election is over. Harris lost. Trump is president now. Yet all anyone wants to do is keep harping about America's rebellion against a hated, out-of-touch Democratic Party elite and their failure to address socioeconomic and class issues that voters care about.
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DeleteThe gaslighting effort, at least in this blog, is all about trying to convince people that the Democrat oligarchy almost won, as it lost (by some fake, totally idiotic calculations) by only 2%.
And why not; let them do it, instead of analyzing their collapse.
Correct. The idea that some clown who couldn't get past freshman year in college should be advancing to the public treatments for COVID would be unacceptable in any thoughtful society. I was on the front lines of the COVID epidemic in a red state and got to meet up close many now dead, almost exclusively men, who were convinced by such assholes as Rogan and a number of Fox talking heads (Laura Ingraham planted the idea of hydroxy chloroquine treatment in Trump's addled brain) to avoid the vaccine and self medicate with garbage. They should all go to hell for their role in killing off these gullible people,, who often left behind wives and kids. In total there were thousands of them.
DeleteExactly! The Democratic oligarchy had nine years to decipher Trump’s appeal — and figure out a way to beat him and they still lost the presidency, the popular vote, every swing state, the Senate and the House. So why analyze their collapse? Let's forget about them and concentrate on other things.
DeleteMaybe the Democratic Party is a protection racket designed to squash internal progressive opposition rather than winning popular elections. After all, the leadership that just oversaw the loss of the presidency, the popular vote, every swing state, the Senate and the House are still in place and don't seem to be poised to suffer any consequences at all.
DeleteNot the least bit impressed with the workings of the Democratic party, especially here in Florida, where they somehow can never beat a Republican crook who pocketed 170 million dollars for running a company that engineered the largest Medicare fraud in history. How does that trash get routinely elected except for the complete incompetence of the opposing party. Likewise with Trump, who had an approval rating of a whopping 31% after completely mismanaging the COVID epidemic and attempting to overturn an election, the Dems failed as well, insofar as it was the personal responsibility of the VP to stave off a worldwide wave of inflation. So it turns out that no administration survives a re-election bid when the price of groceries goes up, and selecting at the last minute a ranking member of that administration who happens to be black and female was supremely dumb.The Donna Braziles of the party should have been jettisoned years ago, and of course Biden is to blame for the loss as well, but Harris, despite handing Trump his ass on a platter in their only debate was up against the price of Cheerios and diet coke. Publix, the largest food chain in Florida had a 48% increase in earnings per share in 2023, a fact that I am sure can be blamed on Harris as well. So by all means gloat about electing a nearly 80 year old angry and mentally impaired disaster who is on the verge of choosing a treasury secretary who agrees with his tariff plans and enjoy the ride. You could be honest with yourselves and others and admit that he was a terrible choice, but that would be a little too self reflective on your end. Leave the introspection to others.
DeleteFourteen million listeners and an anonymouse moron is focused on Rogan dropping out of college his freshman year.
DeleteI don’t spackle the Democratic Party with their stupidest adherents. It’s not fair. However, you can’t help but marvel at the ratio of anonymouse high self-regard with their sheer boneheaded cluelessness.
Joe Rogan is for people who think being too stupid to know when you are being lied to is being "open-minded".
DeleteThe focus of the Right has always only been about bigotry and white supremacy. Rogan dropping out of college means nothing to them. You may as well be discussing economics.
DeleteAnonymouse 5:13am, people who are open minded can be convinced. They’re easily persuaded.They're fans of things by nature and can think you’re cool. They can toddle down to polls and vote. You’re a moron.
Delete5:22,
DeleteRogan isn't "open minded". He's "Too stupid to know when he's being lied to", and his listeners can't tell the difference.
Anonymouse 5:27am, and what candidate wouldn’t jump on that sort of voter like white on rice?
DeleteA candidate who had to have ten hours of prep work to function in a stadium crowd.
Candidates running for office are concerned about getting votes. The easier the better.
It’s a good thing for you that your Democratic candidates are not so utterly braindead as their champions in demanding erudite and tasteful voters, rather than anyone who can put breath on a mirror and is registered to vote.
DeleteWhat are you going to do about it, Cecelia?
DeleteMake a good-faith statement? LOL.
I'll take my chances.
You're wasting your time discussing this with Cecelia.
DeleteYou may as well be speaking about economics to her.
Anonymouse 6:10am, actually, you may as well be speaking Swahili. The object of a candidate is to win.
DeleteAnonymouse 6:08pm, Comma La had all the right voters.
DeleteEnjoy your loss.
In the only 1:1 debate the candidate that took 10 hours to prep for a stadium crowd knocked the crap out of the nearly 80 year old who likes to brag that he passed a standardized dementia test twice. From that point on it was no mas for the chickenshit, and of course as regards those test results, there is zero tangible evidence that he passed them, any more than he wins golf tournaments legitimately.
DeleteCecelia, none of Rogan's listeners were going to change their mind and not vote for the rapist.
DeleteBy the way, the total number of "followers" Rogan has is not the same as the average number of dude bros listening to any one podcast.
Anonymouse 7:08am, don’t give up your blogboard job.
DeleteComma La came into the race late. On the other hand, if anonymices had run her campaign, she would have lost her the election even if she had a year and was the only candidate running.
The ideas of the Republican Party are bigotry and white supremacy. That is all.
DeleteIf you come across an empty box, don't throw it out. That's where Republican voters store the things besides bigotry and white supremacy they care about.
DeleteWhat are you going to do about it, Cecelia? Care about something other than bigotry and white supremacy?
DeleteI'll take that "risk".
Fee Fi Fo Fum!
ReplyDeleteI smell the fart of an Englishman!