SATURDAY: From "suspected" to "obviously" MS-13!

SATURDAY, MAY 3, 2025

Transformation performed by The Five: Friend, was Kilmar Abrego Garcia ever an affiliate of MS-13?

At this site, we can't answer your question. Neither could Judge Wilkinson in his recent ruling. 

Yesterday, the New York Times published its first full-length attempt to ponder the basic facts of this widely debated case. The report hasn't appeared in print editions—but midway along, it says this:

The Story of the ‘Mistakenly Deported Maryland Man’

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Whether Mr. Abrego is an MS-13 gang member—as, with equal vehemence, the Trump administration insists and his family denies—remains unclear.

“Perhaps, but perhaps not,” wrote Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III, a conservative jurist on a federal appeals court in Virginia, pondering whether Mr. Abrego Garcia was a gang member.

“Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.” 

Judge Wilkinson didn't try to say whether Abrego Garcia is or was a gang affiliate. In his recent ruling, he said that isn't the legal/constitutional question at this point in time. 

At present, the legal/constitutional question involves the "mistaken deportation" cited in the New York Times headline. For the record, that "mistaken deportation" wasn't exactly a "deportation" at all.

It was actually a consignment to a brutal foreign prison, quite possibly for life. That isn't a standard "deportation," but we humans aren't good with our words. 

Imperfect headline to the side, the Times report includes new information about certain aspects of Abrego Garcia's years in the United States. 

For us, the report also raises new questions. We have no idea what a thorough examination might reveal in the end.

Question! According to the Times report, Abrego Garcia's older brother had already come to the United States before the younger brother did. 

According to the Times report, the older brother "is now an American citizen and a licensed electrician in Maryland." According to the Times report., the younger brother and his wife would join him for "the occasional outing on [the older brother's] boat."

Question! Why didn't the younger brother ever seek citizenship, as the older brother had successfully done? We don't have the slightest idea—and the Times report doesn't attempt to say. 

Along the way, the Times report includes an unexplained note about the occasion in 2022 when the younger brother came under suspicion for a possible act of human trafficking:

The Story of the ‘Mistakenly Deported Maryland Man’

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According to records released last month by the Department of Homeland Security, Mr. Abrego Garcia notified immigration officials in late October 2022 that he wanted to move to Houston to be closer to his parents. Just five weeks later, he was driving back to Maryland—with eight passengers—when a highway patrol officer in Tennessee pulled him over for speeding.

In Homeland Security’s version of the trooper’s account, Mr. Abrego Garcia explained that he had left Houston three days earlier and was transporting people in his boss’s car to work in construction in Maryland. But there was no luggage, and the passengers all gave Mr. Abrego Garcia’s home address as their own—leading one officer to suspect the possibility of human trafficking.

In the end, Mr. Abrego Garcia was let off with a warning citation for driving with an expired license.

The Times report doesn't mention the recent reports which say that Abrego Garcia was driving a vehicle which belonged to someone who had served time for human smuggling. Meanwhile, we're puzzled by the highlighted statement, which is attributed to the Department of Homeland Security:

Abrego Garcia said "he wanted to move to Houston to be closer to his parents." 

Aren't his parents still in El Salvador? How would moving to Houston have made him closer to them? 

The Times report doesn't attempt to speak to that question. That new bit of information simply sits there, unexplained, in the lengthy report.

The Times report includes some pieces of new information. It doesn't answer, or pretend to answer, the basic question which seems to lie at the heart of the current dispute:

Is Abrego Garcia a member of MS-13? Was he ever an affiliate of that violent gang? 

Judge Wilkinson didn't pretend to know, and neither does the New York Times. Within an organization like the Fox News Channel, other influential people will take a different approach.

Those other people will pretend that these questions have been settled! Yesterday, the propaganda program known as The Five opened with co-host Jesse Watters reading this from prompter. We highlight one key word:

WATTERS (5/2/25): ...It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.

The Democrats are looking dumber by the day as they refuse to admit they were dead wrong about their precious "Maryland man," no matter how many disturbing details we find about Kilmar Abrego Garcia's violent past as a suspected MS-13 member...

That was Watters, at 5 o'clock sharp. He continued along from there. 

But right there, at the start of the program, Abrego Garcia was described as a suspected gang member. That disclaimer may have been ordered by legal. We have no idea.

At the start of the program, at 5 o'clock sharp, Abrego Garcia was a suspected gang member. This being Fox, you know what happened next:

Just like that, with lightning seed, the disclaimer disappeared. 

By 5:04, co-host Greg Gutfeld was angrily describing Abrego Garcia as a "wife-beating gangbanger," full stop. "If you want to find a scumbag," Gutfeld said as he continued, "just look for the Democrat who is defending him." 

Democrats were scumbags—and Abrego Garcia was a gangbanger. Just like that, within four minutes, uncertainty had been disappeared. 

By 5:07, Judge Jeanine had launched her standard rant about the reason why Abrego Garcia had feared a return to El Salvador back in 2019.

In the face of withering criticism for her endless misrepresentations, the judge no longer claims that Abrego Garcia's fear was based upon his fear of "a rival gang," Barrio 18.

During the 2019 court hearing, Abrego Garcia did express fear about possible violence by Barrio 18. But he never described Barrio 18 as a rival gang, and he never said that he'd ever belonged any gang at all.

In his written opinion, Judge David Jones described what he'd been told by Abrego Garcia himself, but also by his family members in El Salvador. Judge Jones said he found Abrego Garcia's testimony to be credible and consistent. You will never learn such facts by watching Judge Jeanine as she angrily presents her endless misrepresentations.

Judge Jeanine has stopped using the term "rival gang." That said, she still proceeds without any mention of what Judge Jones was actually told and what he actually said. 

In her angry rants, Judge Jeanine routinely erases what actually happened at that hearing. In a more rational world, no one would dream of placing a person like Judge Jeanine on the nation's most-watched "cable news" TV show.

Full disclosure! Before she was done, the perpetually furious Judge Jeanine had broken in with this plea for the death of due process:

JUDGE JEANINE (5/2/25):  Barack Obama deported three million illegals. Eighty-seven percent of them didn't have a hearing. So all of a sudden, when it's Donald Trump, let's get some new rights out there.

We can't vouch for those numbers. But the vast majority of those deportations were, in fact, real deportations. They weren't renditions to a brutal foreign prison, quite possibly for life, on the basis of a set of claims which have never been examined or established in court.

The judge is happy to ship a suspected person off to such a fate—to do so in the face of a prevailing court order and without a hint of due process. She persistently misrepresents what happened in the hearing before Judge Jones.  

Before this TV show was done, the gorillas had sent the term "suspected" far off into the mist. By 5:08, Judge Jeanine was performing the clown show about the obvious meaning of the tattoos on the suspect's knuckles.

By now, though, Abrego Garcia was no longer "suspected." Here's what the children now said:

JUDGE JEANINE: He has all the tats for MS-13, whether it is marijuana, the skull, the smiley face or the cross. He is MS-13, all right? This guy...he's an MS-13 gangbanger!...This guy is a dirtbag, and if you take his side—you know, if you lie in the grass with dogs, you'll come up with fleas. And that's where the Democrats are.

WATTERS:  This guy...is obviously MS-13.

From "suspected" to "obviously" in only eight minutes! Transformation completed!

By now, it seems fairly clear that Abrego Garcia engaged in domestic violence on at least several occasions within the past five years. On a program like The Five, we're told by a tag-team of messaging agents that life imprisonment in a gulag is the appropriate punishment for that (apparent) conduct.

A standing court order can be ignored—in fact, the violation of that court order won't even be mentioned! Judge Wilkinson notwithstanding, due process should be left behind!

We humans aren't especially good with our words. We start by describing a rendition to a brutal prison as a "deportation." After disappearing the one judge, Fox News sends in the other.

Initially, the person in question was merely "suspected." With that possible bow to legality noted, the beasts came out to play.

205 comments:

  1. Whether Garcia was a gang member matters to conservatives as a moral question. They refuse to care about the legal rights of a gang member. That is their excuse for abrogating the constitution. They think it is ok to mistreat people they consider bad.

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  2. Odd that Somerby won’t believe Garcia isn’t a gang member when there is no evidence he is, but he has no trouble believing he committed domestic violence, saying it is fairly clear he did it, without any evidence beyond his wife’s requests for protection orders that were never finalized. He was never arrested or charged with wife beating, much less convicted, but Somerby believes him guilty of it, clearly guilty he says.

    Somerby doesn’t seem to understand that married couples fight. He has never been married so it is not surprising he wouldn’t understand that a wife might request a protection order without being beaten or reconcile with her husband and drop the order. If she were abused, she wouldn’t be working so hard to get him back. It is telling that Somerby finds it so easy to believe Hispanic men beat women. Back in the early years of this blog Somerby used to defend men from specious abuse filings.

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    1. Overall, 22% of individuals assaulted by a partner at least once in their lifetime (23% for females and 19.3% for males). One in five has slugged their life partner. Including the nasty ass felon.

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    2. Protection orders are leverage during divorce custody disputes. About 20% are false, according to studies.

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  3. Jeez, Bob, is this Garcia hombre your daddy? He's a Salvadorian gangbanger who is now happily home, down in El Salvador.

    If he wants to visit here, he should apply for a visa, like everyone else. Everyone's happy, end of story.

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    1. He had the right to stay by court order granting asylum.

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    2. He has the right to stay home, in El Salvador.

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    3. El Salvador is the safest country in both Americas. Safer than Sweden. A Salvadorian having asylum in the US makes no sense whatsoever, and anyone who insists on it needs to be institutionalized. Preferably down in El Salvador.

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    4. There was a hearing that granted him asylum and protection from removal to El Salvador. Evidence was presented. Trump doesn’t have the authority to second-guess that court order without due process.

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    5. Who says there was a hearing? Just another Democrat lie.

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    6. There is a copy of the order on the internet.

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    7. There's a photo of George Soros being fucked by a horse on the internet. Down in El Salvador.

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    8. Believe nothing then. You have no excuse to selectively believe just what fits your biases.

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    9. @11:47 "Withholding of removal," not asylum.

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    10. El Salvadorian prison is as good a "withholding of removal" place as any other place.

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    11. The withholding of removal was essentially asylum and that prevents him from being put in an El Salvadoran prison, this was all endorsed by an extremely rare unanimous SC decision.

      Trump fucked around and is finding out, he is now deeply under water in polling on immigration and with Hispanics (probably why Somerby did not fulfill his promise to discuss his own views on immigrants).

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    12. The "withholding of removal" is a place in Salvadorian prisons. Next to the shitter that wasn't cleaned up for at least two weeks.

      That's what "withholding of removal" means.

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    13. QiaB - the Judges opinion rules, MAGA opinions drool.

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    14. @2:46 outdoes Gutfeld for crudeness and cruelty.

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    15. 11:33,
      Almost every country is safer and better than the USA, now that the Republican Party has made it a shit hole.

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    16. Crime is strongly correlated with poverty. As people are hurt financially by Trump's recession, we can expect crime rates to go up among citizens as they have more difficulty making ends meet.

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    17. Salvadoran, not Salvadorian. Duh.

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    18. That has proven to be false.

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    19. 2:57 - “the Judge’s opinion rules”

      Well, no it doesn’t. Abrego Garcia is still in the gulag.

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    20. Thank you very much Soros-bot, but we Salvadorians are perfectly capable of deciding ourselves which ones of us need to go to our "gulag". We aint need no Soros-bots nor American judges telling us.

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  4. Obama was widely criticized by right and left for deportations without due process. That doesn’t make it right for Trump to do.

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    1. From what I understand, if a "migrant" is in the US and hasn't applied for asylum in a timely manner, I believe the person can be deported without due process. Garcia didn't apply for asylum within the one year period he could have, so he wasn't granted asylum, like someone above claimed. On a different basis the immigration judge issued a decision that Garcia could not be deported because of his fear of gang persecution. (the judge had to address quite a few hurdles in reaching this decision. TDH provided a link to the decision a couple of days ago). Any migrant can calim asylum within one year of entering the country. As I understand it, the migrant is entitled to a hearing before an immigration judge. The standard for winning an asylum case before an immigration case is difficult to meet. One isn't entitled to asylum on the basis of poverty for example. I believe most asylum seekers lose in these hearing. However, there is an enormous backlogue. It takes years to get a hearing. If the migrant loses, he/she can appeal to the Federal Courts, which often, perhaps most of the time, affirm the decisions.

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    2. Garcia was 16 when he fled to the US by himself. That may have been considered an extenuating circumstance.

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    3. Regardless, per a court order, Garcia was granted essentially unlimited residency in the as long as he had yearly check ins.

      11:18 makes a good point; however, Republicans, due to their personality traits, are immune to accusations of hypocrisy.

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    4. This practice isn’t really new. Agents from the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have long had the authority to send immigrants home without a hearing through an informal, voluntary “return.” Would-be immigrants who went back to their countries this way didn’t end up with marks on their permanent immigration records. Border officers made wide use of this procedure during the Bush Administration.

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  5. “ Initially, the person in question was merely "suspected." With that possible bow to legality noted, the beasts came out to play.” Including Somerby who calls Garcia clearly a wife-beater on no evidence.

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    1. His wife entered two protective order against him. Do the math.

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    2. Neither progressed to a final protective order after a judge heard the evidence. They were dismissed. When a charge against a person is dismissed, it means they are not guilty. His wife never filed a police report against him and he was never arrested or charged with domestic violence. A woman can be afraid of her husband without him ever lifting a finger against her. Women's fears do not have to be justified to request a preliminary protection order pending a hearing.

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  6. TDH seems to be reading too much into Juge Wilkinson's order. There was no issue before him about whether Garcia was a member of this gang. The issues were different. Because of that, whether Garcia was not something the judge needed to address.

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    1. The judges’s statement that gang membership is not relevant addresses Republican claims that being in a gang makes him subject to deportation. It is politically important to point out that it is not legally relevant.

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  7. A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic. That's a quote attributed to Stalin. Similarly, one person who didn't get due process is a tragedy. Thousands of gangsters welcomed into the country is a statistic.

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    1. Being in a gang is not illegal. Committing crimes is illegal.

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    2. I know right, that gang of Jew haters over at the Nights of Columbus took all my money playing liars poker. Filthy Catholic gangbangers.

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    3. In reality, immigrants have a much lower crime rate than native born citizens.

      Most crime in America is committed by White males, indeed we need to look no further than our own president.

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    4. "...one person who didn't get due process is a tragedy. Thousands of gangsters welcomed into the country is a statistic."

      And what about thousands of people who don't get due process? What's that?

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    5. Due process for a criminal border-crosser is kicking him the fuck out of the country. To any place that would take him; El Salvador, for example.

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    6. Here is the shit fucking fascist Jews like DiC and Steven Miller support/promote: "Far-right provocateur Laura Loomer tweeted a photo of the judge’s daughter, who had worked at the U.S. Education Department as a policy advisor, and accused McConnell of protecting her paycheck. Billionaire Elon Musk amplified the post to his 219 million X followers. Neither mentioned the daughter had left her job before Trump’s inauguration." And the judge and his daughter get death threats. Admit you want to end American Democracy DiC. (Always enjoy how pieces of shit are referred to as provocative. Pieces of shit either way.)

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    7. DiC and 2:13 are trolls.

      YAWN

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    8. "To any place that would take him; El Salvador, for example." That statement does not include the fact that the felon had to pay El Salvador's asshole dear leader many millions to assist in the felons now court documented illegal behavior. See what happens after you release thousands of properly jailed insurrectionists, chaos. You Trumpets have fucked this country good over your love of a self shitting fascist wannabe. Congratulations. Next time pick someone less stupid, better for your hateful anti democratic dreams.

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    9. Quoting Stalin is bizarre because he is such an evil person.

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    10. When someone commits an actual crime in the US, they should be tried and punished here, so their victims can see justice done. Do you think Laken Riley’s family wanted her attacker sent to El Salvador? Trump is dismissing criminal charges in order to deport criminals. That isn’t justice.

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    11. Laken Riley?
      Oh yeah, she's one of the many innocent Americans who have been killed by men.

      #republicanbrushesareastinyastheirdicks

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  8. D in C - how do you know that "thousands" of gangsters were "welcomed" into this country? Trump demonizes migrants as terrorists, murderers, rapists., implying that most of them are. He claims various unnamed countries have emptied prisons and insane asylums and shipped the inmates to the US. How much propaganda are you swallowing whole?

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    1. Clearly, all of it.

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    2. AC/MA good question. My justification is merely statistical. Biden welcomed ten million illegal immigrants. I am assuming that at least one in five thousand or 0.0002 of them are gang members.

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    3. "I am assuming that at least one in five thousand..."

      You know what they say about assuming, yeah?

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    4. Biden did not welcome ten million immigrants.

      Beyond that, your assumption has no basis in reality.

      MS 13 is in fact an American gang.

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    5. They are all criminals, as all of them crossed the border without authorization. Ten million criminals.

      Ten million more criminal Democrats.

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    6. There were not "ten million" and it is not a crime to cross the order without authorization and then seek asylum.

      Even illegally crossing the border is on par with a speeding ticket, so by that logic, most Americans are worse criminals than any immigrant.

      And the stats bear this out, native born citizens have a much higher rate of crime than immigrants.

      Ignoring the criminality of Americans, and the lack of significant criminality of immigrants, makes your argument lose all credibility.

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    7. Crossing the border without authorization is a crime, period. There's nothing that would magically made not a crime. It's a crime.

      If you want to "seek" your bullshit "asylum", do it in Mexico. Or, at an official border crossing.

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    8. 2:40 false.

      It is not a crime if you are seeking asylum.

      Furthermore, it is not a serious crime, it is akin to a speeding ticket. So by your logic you should support "deporting" most Americans.

      Good luck with that. Your troll farm needs better classes on remedial Civics 101.

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    9. Yes, it's a crime. Cope, Corby. Learn to cope.

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    10. Trump is talking about deporting people for traffic tickets.

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    11. During Trump’s term in office, approximately 1.2 million people were deported through removal orders. A further 805,770 were self-deported or turned away at the border between fiscal years 2017 and 2020.

      Immigration orders during the Trump-era were lower than either of Obama’s terms. Approximately 1.57 million and 1.49 million immigrants were removed in the fiscal years of Obama’s first and second presidencies respectively.

      In fact, Obama oversaw more deportations than any other U.S. president in history.

      Between 2009 and 2016, this amounts to over 3 million immigration orders; without including “self-deportations” and other border returns.

      When including all repatriations, 5.24 million immigrants were removed or returned in those years.

      The Obama administration placed a particular focus on “threats to national security, border security and public safety” by targeting convicted criminals. In 2015, for example, 91 percent of people removed by deportation orders had criminal convictions.

      Trump explicitly overturned this criminal prioritization measure as soon as he entered office, for the reason that: “We cannot faithfully execute the immigration laws of the United States if we exempt classes or categories of removable aliens from potential enforcement.”

      So basically the felon and his legion of enablers are all full of shit.

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    12. Biden welcomed in - idiot repeating idiotic shit. Good points Dickhead, even if they have no relation to anyone's reality.

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    13. It is a deportable crime to call someone Corby who isn’t actually Corby.

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    14. Entering illegally is a crime the way jaywalking is a crime.

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    15. We need to deport those with parking tickets, before we deport those who crossed the border.

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  9. Trump is a wife beater according to Ivana’s book.

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    1. She also testified that Trump raped her.

      Might explain why Ivana, the daughter of a KGB affiliate, and who died mysteriously at home, her body "falling" down some stairs, was dumped in an unkempt grave in an overgrown and isolated part of Trump's golf club in NJ - aside from the tax benefits of putting her grave there.

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    2. That actress did also.

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  10. For us, the report also raises new questions, what the fuck happened to due process with these fascist shitholes?

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  11. For days and days, Somerby has been, supposedly, attempting to argue that Garcia is not a criminal and was improperly removed from the country.

    Yet none of the Republican/right wing trolls/fanboys have been convinced.

    Interesting.

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    1. I said we should make every effort to get him back. Two or three weeks ago.

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    2. Cecelia is not keen to admit he is a man pretending to be a woman, but here he takes the first step, essentially admitting he is troll or "fanboy" (? whatever that is).

      Having said that, good to see Cecelia agreeing with the SC, maybe there is some hope Trump's damage to our society will be limited, if people like Cecelia are starting to see the cracks.

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    3. Anonymouse 2:48pm, no cracks. Strictly expediency, little filly. It’s just common sense that it’s in the interest of the Admin to have this over. The more time that goes by, the more risk there is for other new rulings from various courts.

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    4. The risk of court mandated due process is terrifying to fascists like Cecelia.

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    5. Anonymouse 3:10pm, lots of possible court-ordered mandates are terrifying to me, but then we know how much anonymices love them some SCOTUS justices.

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    6. Proclaiming the poo filled diaper King of America was a bit frightening. Should be for alk true Democracy loving Americans. But not so much so for fascist lovers like you.

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    7. Anonymouse 3:35pm, get back on your Thorazine and you’ll feel all better.

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    8. Think the Muppets figured out how the Felon rolls years ago. Watch and learn Cecelia.
      https://youtu.be/7EA_40Hj05I

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    9. Cecelia has no idea what the Supreme court is for.

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    10. Anonymouse 3:53pm, I only hit Bob’s links. I’ve said that repeatedly.

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    11. Everyone knows the USSC is for Leonard Leo and the Koch bro. Dumb ass felon, true to form, listened to his Jr. Felon and went after new gig money and dumped old money, alienating the court. You get what you pay for Rumptards. Hardy har, har.

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    12. I hit the vape pen after reading your stupid to relieve the pain.

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    13. Vaping doesn’t relieve pain. Try ibuprofin.

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  12. Anonymices were perpetually bitter, angry, and self-pitying before the election. Now you’re chewing up your tongues and teeth. Go visit Canada for the summer.

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    1. Cecelia is describing Trump and his voters, not us.

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    2. Anonymices dont read their own posts or the posts of other anonymices. If they’re not smearing Bob and simultaneously trying to make him feel guilt toward them, they’re cursing out David. Now they’ve amped that up to eleven.

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    3. Somerby stopped asking us to listen to Right-wingers, after we reported back that all they care about is bigotry.

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    4. Anonymouse 5:54pm, no, we like pillaging too.

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    5. Not when it happens to you.

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    6. Anonymouse 5:54pm, no, we favor a hands-on approach.

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    7. David in Cal asks for it, sister Cec.

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  13. David in Cal's calls to defund ICE, because the country is too broke to pay for it, is gaining more traction every day.
    I'm starting to believe his calls to defund the police were sincere, as well.

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    1. Anonymouse 5:56pm, and there’s no way social workers will replace ICE either.

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    2. Who do you think currently works with immigrants in non-profit community and activist organizations, to help migrants them settle into the US, deal with immigration problems, locate relatives and find jobs? ICE doesn't do any of that.

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    3. Anonymouse 7:41pm, this is what happens when you try to wage an argument against someone who is being facetious.You sound like an idiot.

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    4. You say "facetious," but I say ignorant and obnoxious. If ICE were confined to doing what is legal, there would still be the need for the many services provided by volunteers and social workers in communities with newly arrived migrants. Previously arrived immigrants also provide a lot of the help needed to survive in a new country with different customs and language.

      I highly recommend the movie Cabrini, about the Italian nun who worked with Italian immigrants in NYC in the early 20th century. Her name is revered because of her highly effective efforts to help newly arrived Italian immigrants settle in the city, combat anti-Italian prejudice, provide medical care and education, and make her community a political force (even if Rudy Giuliani was a legacy).

      Your facetiousness and ignorance are tiresome and reflect poorly on you, especially compared to the people actually doing the work of helping immigrants succeed in our culture.

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    5. Anonymouse 8:18pm, I wasn’t arguing that ICE is more important than social workers, any more than social workers can take the place of ICE, street cops or vice versa. Remember that old argument about defunding the police? This is the general sort garbage that anonymouse do. They’ll throw out a quip and when they receive one in return they suddenly launch into indignant outrage as to the other person’s flippancy or ignorance. Put that crap up your nose.

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    6. You were mocking social workers as ineffectual liberal do-gooders who do nothing useful, because that is what right wingers think of them. Social workers have been helping immigrants since the birth of our nation, along with other volunteers and later generations of immigrant families.

      Your disrespect for the people who do the hard work of making our country a better place is noted. With your complete lack of empathy, it would never occur to you that helping others is a good thing to do. You say you were just joking around, but those types of jokes are not funny to people who care about other people. Next you'll be denigrating kindergarten teachers and snow plow drivers, who also would not be willing to replace ICE agents in their dirty jobs (especially the ones who abuse their power by tormenting innocent legal immigrants and citizens). If you had a shred of decency, you too would be decrying the abuses that just took place in Oklahoma City at the hands of ICE. Instead Republicans like you just shrug and say they must have deserved it, maybe one of the daughters failed to return a library book.

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    7. No, I was doing I was doing what I said I was doing which was making a joke about defunding ICE (cops) and replacing them with social workers.
      Make that social workers on horses with whips.

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    8. Why is it funny to you when ICE harms innocent people? Social workers would do not harm to the people they interact with, and help improve a lot of lives. It isn't funny when you denigrate their efforts, just like it isn't funny when Trump ignores all of the good done by the last Pope and pretends he could ever fill those shoes. For starters, he lacks humility, which is a requirement for being pope (or any level of clergy, as one of Jesus' teachings). Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins that consigns a person to hell, according to Catholic teachings.

      You need to work on your sense of humor.

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    9. Anonymouse 9:13pm, you need to work on your feigning of moral outrage. A dead pope could see through you.

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    10. Anonymouse 9:30pm, work on your sense of humor. And your acting skills.

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    11. These Right-wing jokes remind me of the prank that immigrant pulled on Lakin Riley.

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  14. Warren Buffett is opposed to Trump's tariffs:

    "There is no question that trade can be an act of war. It has led to bad things — the attitudes that it has brought out.

    In the United States, we should be looking to trade with the rest of the world. And we should do what we do best and they should do what they do best. That’s what we did originally. We were good at producing tobacco and cotton 250 years ago and we traded it.

    We want a prosperous world but with eight countries with nuclear weapons, including a few that I would call quite unstable, I do not think it’s a great idea where a few countries say ‘hahaha we won,” and other countries are envious."

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  15. Catholic bishops in the US don't think Trump's picture of himself as Pope is clever or funny. They find it offensive:

    "With the conclave of 133 electors scheduled to meet on May 7th, the president or one of his aides posted the picture on Truth Social which has set off a mini-firestorm even among some of his MAGA supporters with one Trump fan writing, "I love Trump but his post isnt funny. Pretty scary actually."

    The Catholic Bishops of New York State agreed.

    On X, formerly known as Twitter, they wrote on the @NYSCatholicConf account, "There is nothing clever or funny about this image, Mr. President. We just buried our beloved Pope Francis and the cardinals are about to enter a solemn conclave to elect a new successor of St. Peter."

    They then added, "Do not mock us."

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    1. It’s interesting to see all this new-found sensitivity toward the Catholic Church. The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence must really piss you off.

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    2. Here’s another one for yiu.

      https://x.com/altofcontrol/status/1914280934632813034?s=42&t=oYvKLjVc8YzJIvwKoQTYBQ

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    4. Tolerance means you don't go around mocking other people's religions, especially when the leader of their church has just died.

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    5. No, that’s not tolerance. That’s just you feigning the vapors cuz Trump…

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    6. If something doesn't matter to you, it shouldn't matter to anyone, amirite?

      Trump sent that stupid picture of himself as pope out via the White House twitter account and his own Truth Social account. It wasn't any accident. Only an insensitive moron would do that, and you are now bending over backwards to excuse him, which makes you look even worse, a fawning illiterate asshole. But you be you.

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    7. It doesn’t to matter you either. If Pope Francis stood right outside of a women’s clinic and prayed you’d be gratified to see him arrested.

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    8. No, I would not. Even the Pope has free speech rights, whether I agree with him or not. I believe in our democratic values. You don’t.

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    9. Anonymouse 9:17pm, yes, you would, and especially if he tried to speak with a woman going into the clinic.

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    10. The pope didn’t behave like an anti-abortion zealot interfering with women entering health care clinics. Stop demeaning the pope.

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    11. I thought the photo was great, but the again, I think that anything's great that denigrates Trump and his cult followers.

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    12. That has been conclusively disproven.

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    13. It’s been hilarious today watching a bunch of godless Democrats who love criminals, hate America, despise Christian values and want to have abortion on demand on every street corner clutch their pearls and act offended over a meme of President Trump dressed as the pope.

      Now they have morals? Give me a break. Bunch of hypocrites.

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    14. Why isn't that precious. A Trump supporter pretentious enough to lecture anyone about Christian values. You've soiled yourself here, go clean up.

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    15. Incidentally, dumbass, why don't you take a breather from berating others and Google atheism versus criminal activity or morality for that matter. Jeez, you people are so fucking ignorant.

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    16. Yes, Mr. Soros, sure, everyone is ignorant, and they soiled themselves, not you. Calm down now and go to sleep, Sir.

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    17. Try reading for comprehension, loser. No one said "everyone is ignorant". The comment was directed at you.

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    18. Yes, Mr. Soros, whatever you say.

      And remember: winners like your don't complain about an enema!

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    19. You can’t be offended by a meme of President Trump if you support abortion. The thing you are though is a hypocrite.

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    20. No, folks can be offended by a meme regardless of their religious beliefs. However, when some of these people have spent their lives attacking religion and a pro-life stance, they shouldn’t be surprised that other folks know they’re full of it.

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    21. Abortion rights supporters are not attacking religion. We are defending the right of a woman to choose her own health care, together with her family and physician, without govt interference.

      Mischaracterizing other people's beliefs is trolling.

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    22. Anonymouse 11:01pm, actually you attack the character of everyone who disagrees with you as to abortion. That’s not a mischaracterization, that is who you are. Nothing is more illustrative of that fact than your dramatic gnashing of teeth over some Trump supporter’s meme.

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    23. You have no respect for anyone or anything.

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    24. 11:10. Sorry, dude. It became the meme of Trump and the White House when they reposted it. That is why you tried here, unsuccessfully, to distance them from it.

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    25. Anonymouse 11:45am, there’s that 20/200 vision of yours. Distance Trump from the pope meme? I’ve argued that he embraced his supporter’s meme and had fun with it, Einstein.

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    26. Anonymouse 11:34am, no, I have the right sort of respect. The right sort is *genuine” respect. I’m not an anonymouse flying monkey railing against religion and religious people in hopes that I might ruffle one feather of a believer. I’m not an anonymouse who calibrates their outrage based upon the politics of the parties involved. On the other hand, you do not have genuine respect or one ounce of tolerance for an alternative viewpoint. You only have political doctrine and you no not tolerate deviation.. That fact is the very reason you’re here on Bob’s blog.

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    27. You can’t cancel faith, family, or freedom.

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    28. Abortion is not healthcare. No more than amputating a healthy leg is healthcare.

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    29. There are situations when a healthy leg is amputated, such as during a crush injury or to prevent the spread of flesh-eating bacteria. Similarly, abortion-type procedures are necessary when an abnormal fetus endangers the health of the mother and the fetus is not viable. This occurs, for example, during ectopic pregnancy when a zygote is implanted outside the uterus (in the fallopian tubes), which will be fatal without its removal. Other times, a natural miscarriage will occur but leave behind tissue that will cause medical problems if not removed via a D&C (the same procedure used to perform some abortions). There is no longer a viable pregnancy but the mother's health will be endangered without cleaning up an imcomplete miscarriage. Abortion laws restrict the ability of physicians to perform these sorts of life-saving procedures due to fear of being prosecuted for abortion. Abortion laws are preventing doctors from performing necessary procedures required for women's healthcare.

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    30. Railing against an obviously non-religious, even sacriligious president who mocks the Pope after his recent death is not the same as attacking religion. Cecelia is the one mocking religion when she supports Trump's outrageous behavior.

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    31. @1:40 Freedom can absolutely be canceled. Pay attention.

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    32. There was nothing fun (or funny) about Trump portraying himself as Pope. He is one of the least Christian and least holy people on earth. The thought that he would be so vain as to circulate an image of himself as pope is a desecration of sacred practices important to Catholics. Most sane people recognize that. Cecelia's defense of Trump's travesty shows that she doesn't care about anything but preserving Trump's political power. She should be ashamed to be playing such a role.

      Humility is important to religious practice among Catholics. Clery strive to attain it. The pope, above all, displays humility by washing the feet of the lowly, as Jesus did to prepare himself for crucifixion. Trump has no humility whasoever. That makes his depiction as a holy figure an abomination. His mistreatment of the lowly stands in stark contrast to a highly regarded pope who just died and is still being mourned. Trump only sees the pope's stature and power, without seeing the things the pope cared about, the ways he used his power to improve the lives of his followers.

      Cecelia, stop this now. You are hurting others with your callous disregard for Catholic religious grief. Give it a rest.

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    33. Anonymouse 2:39pm, your last statement is why people laugh at you. It’s so ginned up and over the top. You try to pull this bullshite every chance you get. You don’t have the ability to cause anyone to feel shame. You don’t have an iota of that sort of credibility. You’ve shown yourself to be shameless in the accusations you’ve made against Somerby and in the willful diminution of others. Including Anne Frank, of all targets. If you want a rest from this discussion tell your anonymices to shut up. OR…perhaps stop reading the comments. That would indeed stifle. your drama act, but thats how a halfway sincere person acts on a comment board.

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    34. You are a horrible person.

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    35. Anonymouse 5:50pm, you should go throw yourself face down on your bed.

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    36. They are trolling for attention.

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    37. Cecelia cosplaying as a woman, pretending to have intolerance for bullshit, making believe she isn't a huge bigot is hilarious
      I want to be the first to pull "her" other finger.

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  16. "The 60 Minutes interview with then-Vice President Kamala Harris was nominated for a News & Documentary Emmy for outstanding edited interview in early May 2025.
    The nomination follows a $20 billion defamation lawsuit filed by former President Donald Trump last October, accusing CBS News of deceptively editing the Harris interview to interfere in the election."

    Ground News

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    1. The symptoms Harris was experiencing during the campaign were indicative of lupus.

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    2. "As the presidential election nears -- with just 21 days to go -- questions are swirling about the candidates' health.

      Over the weekend, the White House released medical records for Vice President Kamala Harris, with her physician describing her as being in "excellent health."

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    3. Harris was showing symptoms for lupus: rashes, hair loss, body odor, etc.

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    4. Please cite a non-republican source for that. Her doctors were not campaign staff but routine medical staff ensuring the health of the President and VP via yearly exams. Lupus is a serious disease and would have been mentioned had she been diagnosed with it. This sounds like Republican trolling, like when Hillary was accused of having a stroke during her campaign against Trump, a total lie.

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    5. Just Google it. Harris had contracted scurvy twice before but that was ruled out.

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    6. Anonymous, the woman was sleeping with everyone.

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    7. Lupus and scurvy are not STDs, but there is credible evidence that Trump has late-stage syphilis.

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    8. At the time, Newsweek ran a lengthy report about her history of strange diseases.

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    9. Asked and answered.

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    10. She is a shape-shifting alien Reptiloid, that's all. Just like all Democrat bosses.

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    11. Maya Harris, the sister of Kamala has lupus. Any suggestion that Kamala Harris has lupus is baseless.

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  17. "Former Fetterman Aide Expressed Concern to Doctor About Senator’s Mental Health"

    "That has coincided with a period when his politics have become more conservative, as he has watched his home state of Pennsylvania swing for Mr. Trump."


    Huh, interesting. This Fetterman thing is reminiscent of the Soviet use of psychiatry against dissidents.

    Definitely. Your wishes are coming true, Bob. Nice going, Democrats.

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    1. Mrs Fetterman will be sitting in her husband’s chair, in his office, in no time. We’ll only know that’s he’s in a clinic on the dark side of the Alps. .

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    2. Like the way Mrs. Hegseth follows her hubby everywhere, even to top secret meetings for which she has no security clearance?

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    3. Anonymouse 11:33am, learn to read.

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    4. Back at you.

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  18. I see, aides to Biden should be criticized for hiding issues related to his deteriorating mental health, but aides to Fetterman should be criticized for raising issues regarding his deteriorating mental health. Makes perfect sense.

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  19. Tiedrich:

    "Donny Convict is what would happen if the seven Deadly Sins became a real boy. let’s check them off: pride — yup. greed — you betcha. lust — just ask Ivanka. envy — no shit. gluttony — have you seen his waistline? wrath — ducked any ketchup bottles lately? sloth — the lazy fuck drives his golf cart right up onto the green.

    therefore, it only makes sense to fast-track this guy to be the next pope, right?"

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    1. MAGAs have gone crazy for this stuff, at least the non-Catholic ones:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osjg0HywtbE

      More here about MAGA shitposting:

      https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/all-hail-pope-fuckface-the-first

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  20. Liberal chortled at Tom Lehrer’s parody song, THE VATICAN RAG. Trump's picture is in the same vein. https://tomlehrersongs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/the-vatican-rag.pdf

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    1. Not even close, as usual.

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    2. Did Catholic liberals chortle at it? What is your evidence of that?

      Here is a description of his song content:

      "In the 1950s and 60s, his songs stunned and delighted listeners with their irreverence, wit and nihilism."

      Many of us are not finding nihilism funny in our current national situation. Lehrer wrote songs for college students, not movement liberals.

      "So it's no surprise that Lehrer never had high political aspirations for his songs. "I wasn't attempting to move anybody, because I didn't think there was anything that they had to be convinced of that I was, in my infinite wisdom, in on and that they as of yet were unwashed, and had to be educated."[11a] He has often said that his goal in song writing was to get laughs, not applause. "If the audience applauds they're just showing they agree with me. They're not being amused by it. I'm sure in 1968, I could have gotten up and said something like 'Cops are pigs,' and they'd applaud But that's not humor. So I dropped out just in time."[18] Indeed, Lehrer wrote most of his songs in order to amuse his friends and, perhaps more importantly, himself. He takes a fierce pride in "caring about such things as nuance and the challenge of finding a rhyme. 'How about orange', I hear someone challenge. Let's see now ... Ah, I have it: Eating an orange/While making love/Makes for bizarre enj-/Oyment thereof. Sorry, just flexing." [12]

      Lehrer in fact has a certain amount of disdain for songs (and songwriters) that aspire to change the world, i.e. 60s era political folk. In his earlier recordings, he makes fun only of the poor rhyming and grammar of folk songs. His introduction to "Irish Ballad" (on his first record), for example, begins with "Now I'd like to turn to the folk song, which has become in recent years the particularly fashionable form of idiocy among the self-styled intellectual." He goes on to describe the song as having "a sort of idiotic refrain ... running through interminable verses. This song though does differ strikingly from the genuine folk ballad in that ... the words which are supposed to rhyme actually do. One of the more important aspects of public folk singing is audience participation ... so if any of you feel like joining in, I'd appreciate it if you would leave."

      His second album, too, throws a jab at folk music. Evening includes the song "Clementine", in which Lehrer rewrites the folks song of the same name into a number of different musical styles. The introduction to this song postulates that "the reason most folk songs are so atrocious is that they were written by the people." Lehrer's strongest folk music message, however, is delivered in "The Folk Song Army" on Year That Was. As he explains in the introduction, this song is aimed particularly at the protest songs of the day, and his criticism of the songs moves beyond the lack of rhymes (although he includes that as well!) In a whiny, nasal voice, Lehrer croons

      There are innocuous folk songs, yeah,
      But we regard 'em with scorn.
      The folks who sing 'em have no social conscience,
      Why, they don't even care if Jimmy crack corn.
      If you feel dissatisfaction,
      Strum your frustrations away.
      Some people may prefer action,
      But give me a folk song any old day."

      https://www.casualhacker.net/tom.lehrer/jmazner/lehrhtml.html

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    3. Huh, never heard it before. Reminded me of Herod's song in Webber's Superstar. That one was a few years after this Lehrer’s song.

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    4. 11:35 No doubt you would have nodded in approval had Obama pulled such a stunt.

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    5. Holy hell, David. That was more than 50 years ago. How is that relevant?

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  21. $5 billon more from DOGE today!

    $165 billion total. Great job, guys, keep it up.

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  22. “Mr. Biden’s aides were confident that he would pass a cognitive test, but they worried that the mere fact of his taking one would raise new questions about his mental abilities.” [Political Wire]

    Can Trump aides say the same about Donald Trump during the last election?

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  23. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/04/middleeast/flights-halted-at-israel-airport-yemen-strike-intl

    Israel fails to intercept Houthi missile targeting its main airport, showing the limits of US efforts to weaken the group

    BIDEN'S FAULT!!

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    1. Both Biden and Trump prevented Israel from attacking Iran's nuclear installation. If Iran were defeated, the Houtis would lose their support and become a non-issue.

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    2. "Nuclear installation"? WTF does that have to do with this?

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    3. Divert, distract and deflect - this is Dickhead's raison d'être

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  24. Trump spent an hour on MTP. Boring interview. The interviewer asked the usual biased Gotcha questions. Trump evaded them and said what he's been saying all along. I learned nothing.

    The only point of minimal interest was Trump's ability to withstand hostile questioning. That's something that neither Biden nor Harris demonstrated in the campaign.

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    1. Harris was suffering from an acute bout of hemorrhoids during her MTP interview. This puts a lot of her performance into a new context.

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    2. Trump evades questions as he is a demented fool who has no idea how government works and this time is surrounded by yes men who have no idea how this works.

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    3. Couldn't do any worse than Biden. Wandering around bewildered, mouth agape like a four year old at the mall.

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    4. Brendon has an excuse: his uncle was eaten by cannibals.

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    5. "...and this time is surrounded by yes men..."

      I wish. He's surrounded by people with an anti-democracy agenda who have a willing dupe to advance their cause.

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    6. The only alternative was an unqualified woman.

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    7. This country is so fucked up and stupid. It elected a felon to be president before having a woman president.

      “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” ― H.L. Mencken

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    8. No sane population would let that hot mess represent them around the world.

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    9. 9:54, Agreed, voting for orange poopy-pants proves this country is insane.

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  25. Trump was asked if he uphold the constitution. He said he relies on his lawyers to decide what te Constitution means. But in his answer he used the words, “I don’t know” So several mainstream media used the headline, “Trump doesn’t know if he will uphold the constitution.”

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    1. So his oath of office meant nothing?

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    2. KRISTEN WELKER:

      But even given those numbers that you’re talking about, don’t you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as president?

      PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

      I don’t know.

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    3. Followed by "I'll ask my lawyers". If you àsk Michael Cohen what single requirement is necessary to be a Trump lawyer, he'll say it is a willingness to do his bidding for him.

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    4. Quaker-did Trump mean he might choose to to disobey the Constitution, or that he needed lawyers to understand and interpret the constitution? The full answer made it clear that he meant the latter.

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    5. Right, Dickhead in Cal, it's not trump's fault that he is too retarded and demented to express his thoughts clearly and coherently.

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  26. Quaker in a BasementMay 4, 2025 at 10:23 PM

    Tariffs on movies?

    The man is crackers

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    1. This is awesome. Let's see how contorted the cult following can bend themselves in subservience this clown. It is getting comical.

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  27. Squeal louder, Soros-bots.

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  28. All none of the Republican voters who aren't bigots, have lupus.

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