THURSDAY: What happens to deficits if the bill passes?

THURSDAY, MAY 29, 2025

All in all, don't ask: As you know, President Trump's budget bill passed the House in a landslide vote. The vote was as overwhelming 215 yeas versus 214 no's.

It still has to make its way through the Senate. We don't know if it will.

We can give you a rough idea of what annual deficits would be like under current existing law. It's as we showed you yesterday—if no changes are made to current law, future deficits are projected to look like this:

Projected federal deficits, FY 2025-2029
2025: $1.9 trillion

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2035: $2.7 trillion

Those are projected annual revenue shortfalls—projected annual deficits. In written form, using actual words, the picture looks like this:

The Budget Outlook / Deficits

In CBO’s projections, the federal budget deficit in fiscal year 2025 is $1.9 trillion. Adjusted to exclude the effects of shifts in the timing of certain payments, the deficit grows to $2.7 trillion by 2035. It amounts to 6.2 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2025 and drops to 5.2 percent by 2027 as revenues increase faster than outlays. In later years, outlays increase faster than revenues, on average. In 2035, the adjusted deficit equals 6.1 percent of GDP—significantly more than the 3.8 percent that deficits have averaged over the past 50 years.

As we noted yesterday, those are the large annual deficits which Paul Krugman has recently called "unsustainable." Over the next ten (or eleven) years, annual deficits are projected to start at something like $2 trillion and to rise from there.

We're so old that we can remember when major newspapers devoted more space to budget data than they do today. We think back to 1999 and 2000, for example—back to the endless attempts to decide how much revenue Candidate Bush's tax cut proposal would cost the federal treasury over its first ten years.

Quoting Harper Lee, "A day was twenty-four hours long but seemed longer" back then. There were no distractions by President Trump to chase around and attempt to decipher. There was much more time for getting confused about the minutia of budget proposals!

Journalists would report more budget numbers back then. Today, you're likely to read something like what you see below about the effect of the proposed budget bill on the size of our future deficits:

Pivoting From Tax Cuts to Tariffs, Trump Ignores Economic Warning Signs

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In report after report, economists this week predicted that Mr. Trump’s signature tax package could add well over $3 trillion to the national debt. Some found that the measure is unlikely to deliver substantial economic growth, and could enrich the wealthiest Americans while harming the poorest, millions of whom could soon lose access to federal aid for food and health insurance.

Also this:

When it comes to budget math, ‘D.C.-style’ actually means ‘honest’

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The CBO does in fact project that Trump’s bill will add $3.8 trillion to the federal debt over the next decade. (It also estimates that the bill’s resulting “increase in the resources” provided to U.S. households will “not be evenly distributed”: Resources “would decrease for households in the lowest decile (tenth) of the income distribution, whereas resources would increase for households in the highest decile.”)

The first passage comes from the New York Times. The second passage comes from the Washington Post.  

Each passage talks about what the budget bill would "add to the national debt." The Times didn't bother with stating a time frame. The Post cited the standard ten years.

Friend, consider this about those very familiar presentations:

If you have a rough idea of how big our annual deficits got to be during Covid, you might even think that deficits won't be so terrible over the next ten years! You could almost think that deficits will only average something like $300=380 billion per year over the next ten years, thereby adding something like $3.8 trillion to the accumulated national debt over the course of that decade.

That isn't what those passages mean. What they mean is this:

They mean that you have to start with the giant deficits which have already been projected—annual deficits ranging from something like $2 trillion per year up to $2.7 trillion by 2035.

You have to start with those giant deficits, then add on even more deficit spending! That $3.8 trillion—on average, $380 billion per year—is the amount the GOP bill would add to those giant annual deficits over the course of the next ten years. That's the amount the GOP bill would add to the deficits which have already been projected—deficits which already have us on an "unsustainable path."

Keeping it simple:

At present, the deficit for 2035 is projected to be $2.7 trillion. If the GOP budget bill passes, that projection would jump to something like $3.1 trillion. On average, the bill would have an effect like that over each of the next ten years.

In short, the GOP bill wouldn't balance the budget. It wouldn't even reduce the size of our projected federal deficits.

It would make those annual deficits larger than currently projected. Instead of adding a mountain of debt, we'll be adding a larger mountain.

You can think of that however you wish. We offer two closing points:

Krugman says the situation is already unsustainable as matters currently stand. The budget bill which is routinely said to be "beautiful" makes the projected situation worse.

Journalists used to try to explain these matters. Today, as journalists chase those endless distractions around, days like those are gone.

Tomorrow: A tiny bit of found humor

40 comments:

  1. In hyper-partisan times like these, what good does explaining about deficits do? Voters have made up their minds to support Trump and it changes nothing to tell them they are being lied to.

    It isn't as though Krugman and others haven't provided explanations to those who want to understand. They have and they will continue to do it. Those explanations do not sway any votes. People are not voting for Trump out of ignorance about budgets, but because of intangibles like how it feels to own the libs and get back at those uppity civil rights protesters, or Trump is going to make them rich so budgets won't matter.

    I don't know how to make Republicans stop being so Republican, but I'm pretty sure that more discussion by Krugman about budgets isn't going to make any difference at all.

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  2. Trump's last tax cut broke the budget. This one is worse. What more does anyone need to know?

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  3. Whoa, all of a sudden we idiot-Democrats are deeeeply concerned about budget deficits! Yes we are!

    So nice, so touchy! Excuse me for I need to crawl into my safe space and cry now.

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    1. Make sure to take some Trump meme coins in with you.

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    2. You should be crying over all the Repubes budget perfidy since St. Ronnies napkin.

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  4. You are correct that the journalistic shorthand about “adding to the national debt” is fundamentally misleading. Surely they can find a way to state it more accurately without adding a lot more verbiage.

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  5. "Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says his “Make America Healthy Again” Commission report harnesses “gold-standard” science, citing more than 500 studies and other sources to back up its claims. Those citations, though, are rife with errors, from broken links to misstated conclusions.

    Seven of the cited sources don’t appear to exist at all...

    HHS did not respond to a request for comment on the report’s citation inconsistencies."

    https://www.notus.org/health-science/make-america-healthy-again-report-citation-errors?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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    1. Maga relatives trying to find something we can agree to talk about started in on me with RFKJr. I said what I always say, we have two different news sources, please stop. They says, but he is one of your guys. What about the food coloring? Me - For the love of god, please fucking stop.

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  6. The big beautiful Trump tariffs are back on, kids!

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    1. Don't let the juice dribble down your leg just yet, Sparky. That decision had nothing to do with the merits of the case.

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    2. Don't you love the Orange when he now always proceeds saying tariff with tax before remembering to lie to his slobbering minions by trying to hide the tax resultant in a tariff? Ha! Is they learning the trufe? Nope, too dense.

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  7. "Unsustainable" is nice word for "disastrous." When we can no longer sustain current levels of spending and taxes, disaster of some sort will occur will occur. Can we avoid disaster? Can we protect ourselves when the disaster hits? These are the important questions.

    Note that all the contemplated spending bills are unsustainable. If the Senate cuts a bit of spending or raises taxes a little, the Trump bill will still be unsustainable. Biden's 2024 spending was unsustainable. If Harris had been elected, a Dem spending and tax bill would have been unsustainable. Our government is rushing to a waterfall and nobody even has an idea of how to save our government.

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    1. "If Harris had been elected, a Dem spending and tax bill would have been unsustainable."

      Actually, you don't know that at all; you're just making up an excuse for the tragedy which is almost certainly about to befall us. After all, the Dems saved the country from the Covid recession that they inherited from Trump, and they bequeathed him a terrific economy in return.

      Now the main problem is different, and you cannot defend the Republican "solution." Don't deflect by blaming the Dems for what you only imagine they would do.

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    2. After all, the main reason the deficit is "unsustainable" is the 2017 Trump tax cuts. Let them expire (which they do because of the gimmicky accounting that was necessary for Trump to pretend that they weren't as costly as they were) and you save $4.6 trillion right there.

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    3. George - I disagree about the cause of the unsustainability. Sure, more taxes would help. But, going back to pre-2017 taxes would not be nearly enough to balance the budget. Various analysts predicted the cost of lower tax rates in the 2017 bill in the neighborhood of $150 billon to $200 billion a year. Restoring those tax levels would do little to eliminate the projected 2025 deficit of $2,500 billon.

      The biggest cause of the deficit is overspending. In real terms, federal spending is double what it was in the 1990's. Even if all the spending is worthwhile, the government simply can't afford to continue this level of spending.

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    4. So do you agree that we should (a) let the 2017 Trump tax cuts expire and (b) not enact new tax cuts for the rich? Because that's what your friends in Congress and the Presidency are fixing to do.

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    5. George - those are relatively trivial. In order to balance the budget with more taxes, everyone's income tax would have to roughly double. This is politically impossible. Also, it would throw the country into economic turmoil, causing a recession if not a depression.

      What's needed is radical cuts in spending throughout the government. Eliminate optional programs. Eliminate or cut useful programs, even those that help people. Do you agree with this approach?

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    6. Of course not. You're simply wrong when you say "the government simply can't afford to continue this level of spending." We're a wealthy, low-tax nation.

      Most of the spending is in defense, social security, and health (e.g., medicare). There is no magic solution of cutting "fraud, waste and abuse," as we've seen from the DOGE fiasco. If you want "radical cuts," you have to go after defense, social security, and health benefits.

      And Repubs will never cut defense. So the real plan of "radical cuts" is to gut programs for the sick and retired in order to fund "Tax cuts for the rich!"

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    8. I agree, George. Reps will not cut military spending. Dems will not cut health care or Medicare or SS or Medicaid. Meanwhile interest on the National Debt will grow and grow. The US will not fix the problem. We can anticipate certain economic disaster. For me, the main challenge is to try to protect myself and my loved ones from the disaster as best I can.

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    9. Dems have nothing to do with it. Repubs own the Presidency, the House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court. Repubs will do what they always do: Tax cuts for the rich!

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    10. Almost half of the two Houses is Dems. These Dems could negotiate and plan cooperatively to try to solve the deficit. They might be able to agree on some combination of tax increases and spending cuts. As we know, the Dems in Congress, as well as liberal media and judges, are doing everything they can to get in the way of Trump and Reps. "Resist" is the battle cry.

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    11. SS doesn't contribute to the deficits. You need to like write it on the black/white board 100 times, David.

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    12. True Ilya. SS doesn’t contribute to the 2025 deficit. But in a few years SS will go bankrupt and people will consider using the general fund to bail out SS. Then SS and the deficit could affect each other.

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    13. SS will go bankrupt

      That is a fucking lie.

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    14. Anyone else here want to agree with David in Cal that we can't afford border security?

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  8. Bear in mind that the government is not the country. The fundamental wealth of the country and of its government lies in our free market economy. It's tempting to think we can save the government by some enormous tax increases. But, it's not purpose of the country to save the government. Rather, the government is there for the good of the country.

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    1. JFC. If you're serious about the deficit, there's two things you can do: Increase revenue and/or decrease expenses. The Republican "solution": Decrease revenue. And cast blame elsewhere.

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    2. "Tax cuts for the rich!" is always and everywhere the Republican solution. Good times: "Tax cuts for the rich!" Bad times: "Tax cuts for the rich!" Toothache: "Tax cuts for the rich!"

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    4. Cutting the border security budget to zero, is the least we could do for David in Cal's grandkids.

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  9. Harvard is a mental asylum for Jew haters.

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  10. Republicans lead 2026 Congressional ballot by +4 points, 47%-43% - McLaughlin poll

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  11. Fanny Bunns: "And it was around this time that a fanny-burp came out."

    Fanny Pfaart: "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrnt"

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  12. MSNBC has demoted diminutive and disgraced former White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki and stripped her of her primetime TV slot.

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    1. Meanwhile, immigrants continue to totally outclass white people on the job market.

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    2. Jen was a good comedian. But not as good as Greg Gutfeld.

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  13. David in Cal is a former actuary, and when he says the United States of America can't at all afford border security, we better listen.
    Unlike most Right-wingers, David in Cal does not think the USA needs to remain a shit hole country.

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  14. Don't let David in Cal sway you with his lies.
    He's always had a hard-on to defund the police, and he thinks crying about the deficit will finally get the job done.

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