WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 2025
With that, Thanksgiving was born: Should the Democratic Party Six have issued that videotaped statement?
It triggered the predictable fury, first from President Trump himself. After that, it came from the fellow who prefers to call himself the Secretary of War, even though, as far as we know, it's still not entirely clear whether he is or he isn't.
As a general matter, we'd prefer that people say what they mean (present company excluded). We thought the videotape was a bit murky, and therefore perhaps a bit insinuative. The inevitable rage came next. But then again, tell us when that hasn't happened.
(There may be medical reasons...)
Tomorrow being Thanksgiving Day, we'll go with a sacred remembrance. It comes from Bret Stephens' new column for the New York Times—at least, from this first part of the column:
Thanksgiving Is an Opportunity for a National Reset
Though the Thanksgiving story is typically associated with the harvest feast of Pilgrims and Wampanoags in Plymouth, Mass., 404 years ago this fall, the national holiday Americans celebrate every fourth Thursday of November only began thanks to a presidential proclamation from Abraham Lincoln in 1863, the same year he delivered the Gettysburg Address.
That’s not just historical trivia. What we are meant to commemorate on Thanksgiving isn’t merely a mythologized version of our origins. It’s a celebration of American rebirth—and of the possibilities, personal and political, that go with it.
Stephens was already getting a bit highfalutin. We're not sure that we agree with everywhere he went after that.
We're not sure we agree with every word. We came here to post the history, and the history goes like this:
(continuing directly)
The idea for a national Thanksgiving holiday was not Lincoln’s own. It came from Sarah Josepha Hale, among the most influential Americans you’ve probably never heard of. “A partial list of Hale’s achievements on behalf of women,” wrote Melanie Kirkpatrick, Hale’s biographer, “includes leading the fight for property rights for married women, campaigning for women to be welcome as teachers in public schools, supporting medical education for women, creating the first day care center for small children and the first public playground, founding a society dedicated to increasing the wages of working women, and helping to found Vassar College, the first college for women.”
That wasn’t all Hale did. She wrote a best-selling antislavery novel. She spent decades as editor of Godey’s Lady’s Book, the most widely circulated magazine in the United States before the Civil War...And, beginning in the 1840s, she petitioned president after president to make Thanksgiving a national holiday.
Why was Hale obsessed with setting a national date for Thanksgiving? “There is a deep moral influence in these periodical seasons of rejoicing in which a whole community participates,” she wrote in 1835. But her purposes were also political: a national holiday, she argued, could help preserve the Union. Among her fiercest opponents, unsurprisingly, were Southerners who thought that designating a holiday was an issue for the states to decide.
In September 1863, following the Union’s victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, Hale again petitioned the president for an “annual Thanksgiving” to have “a National and fixed Union Festival.” In Lincoln and William Seward, his secretary of state, she found receptive ears. On Oct. 3, Lincoln proclaimed “a Day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens.”
President Lincoln proclaimed the day. Also this:
"We must not be enemies," he said at the end of his First Inaugural Address. "We are not enemies, but friends."
Soon thereafter, he chose to "accept" the war. Where possible, it's better avoided.
Tomorrow: Most likely, no fish tomorrow
ReplyDelete"Where possible, it's better avoided."
Oh yeah? But haven't you Democrats learned to stop worrying and love the war?
At least that's the vibe I'm getting from your bosses. War! To the last Ukrainian!
Yes we should change international rules and let adjoining countries invade, steal lives, land, and treasure, and not charge or punish them for war crimes you sick fucker. And now that Russia has lied about all treaties with Ukraine they are to be trusted. Simpletons. Like Agents Witkoff, Trump, and you.
DeleteTriggered, Hillary?
DeleteTrump is such a Ruussian stooge.
Delete"Have you heard the Bloomberg audio where Witkoff is teaching the Russians how to like you and win your favor?
Trump: Well, I haven’t heard that, no, but it’s standard practice. You know, because he has to sell this to Ukraine, he has to sell Ukraine to Russia. That’s what a deal-maker does."
After release of the conversation of his admins total bending over to Putin, the feckless Orange TACO retreats once again. "Trump walks back Ukraine deadline, says 28-point peace plan was 'just a map.’"
At some point even the fans gotta think, what a demented dolt.
And the best thing about Putin wanting to restore the mighty USSR?, 11,000 blown up tanks belonging to the former worlds 2nd greatest military power. You know what they say, the only good commie is a dead commie. Right comrades?
@2:48 - what international rules are you talking about? Who is obliged to enforce those rules?
DeleteThe UN Charter, to be enforced by the Security Council. I know, I know.
DeleteAre you describing yourself as "demented dolt", idiot-Democrat @3:23? Your word-salad definitely sounds demented.
DeleteI am a megavolt bolt.
Delete"War! To the last Ukrainian!"
DeleteA typical MAGA reading of the situation, to assume the Ukrainians must be fighting because we're telling them to, or forcing them, or something.
The Ukrainians are fighting because they're brave. MAGA can't imagine what that must feel like.
Always love when you quote the fat orange fuck the demented magats accuse you of word salad. Sad fuckers can't even read.
DeleteI dunno David. Remember that treaty where Russia promised not to fuck with Ukraine after Ukraine denuclearization and we promised security? Remember the treaty after Putin stole Crimea after invading in 2014 and promised not to war any more until things are settled. Such a fascist liar David. Disgusting human being perpetually playing so fucking stupid.
DeleteDo days exist? Given a day D, will there be a day D + 1? Asking for a friend.
ReplyDelete@2:42 there will indeed be a day n with no day n+1. Namely the day the sun finally goes out.
DeleteWhen the sun becomes a white dwarf, it will fade out over billions of years. It won’t just shut off.
DeleteWhen the sun expands the earth will incinerate so yes there is a sun, but no more earth. Everybody is wrong.
DeleteWhen the sun expands, its outer layers will be red hot, not hot enough to vaporize the earth. So there might eventually be a cinder earth orbiting a white-dwarf sun.
DeleteTwo problems with that video statement
ReplyDelete1. It falsely implies that military people are facing illegal orders. It and its writers identify no such orders.
2. It does not give any information on the grounds on which an order can be disobeyed. These situations are very rare. Thus the statement may encourage some military people to be generally less obedient.
Explain how blowing folks up in their boat is due process dickhead.
DeleteNo. All it says is this: we'll return to power eventually, and if you don't sabotage this administration now, we'll fuck you up then.
DeleteFuck u up in a military court that is.
DeleteUh, @2:49. Foreign Military actions do not require due process.
DeleteThere is a uniform code of military justice that defines duty with respect to legal and illegal orders, plus a court martial procedure to examine the gray areas.
DeleteMilitary action by the president is limited by the 1973 War Powers Act and the 2001 Authorization for the use of Military force. Both require involvement of Congress, which Trump has ignored.
Delete"(the video) falsely implies that military people are facing illegal orders."
DeleteCertainly the Venezuelan boat murders are illegal.
But the video is also a prudent reminder, in the face of the possiblity of other illegal orders, given the general lawlessness of the Trump regime and the sycophantic nature of his subordinates.
"It does not give any information on the grounds on which an order can be disobeyed."
Duh. The legality of any order stems from its context and details. No single video could address the myriad possibilities.
"These situations are very rare."
They became much less rare when Trump was inaugurated in January.
"Thus the statement may encourage some military people to be generally less obedient."
Hopefully, yes.
What piffle, David! As usual, I might add. First of all, they are no implying anything, but a number of people have inferred that Trump has given illegal orders. He has. As someone points out above, blowing up random boats in international waters sans any declaration of hostilities is illegal.
DeleteIn other instances, Trump has suggested that he would be issuing illegal orders, e.g. using American cities as training grounds for the military. There's a wide dichotomy in what incoherent babble from Trump, which you accept and justify, David, and what anyone else is allowed to say.
Hector - if the fishing boat attacks were illegal orders, why did Sen Slotkin say on TV she knew of no illegal orders? Why didn’t the original video provide those attacks as illegal orders?
DeleteUh, David, there are laws governing "foreign actions", and Trump, sure as fuck, is violating them.
DeleteIlya - if I say we are not required to tolerate Obama’s putting puppies in blenders, I think I would have implied that Obama put puppies in blenders.
DeleteGood grief, David! First of all, there're examples of Trump violating laws. Secondly, per your own argument, if those Dems said nothing of substance, why is Trump getting bent out of shape? Thirdly, if someone suggests that putting puppies in a blender is a bad thing, does it really imply that someone is putting puppies in a blender? Finally, even if they did imply that, what's the big deal? Their statement was quite anodyne; a trivially obvious refrain.
DeleteI mean, your example is quite ironic given that Trump lied for years about Obama's birth certificate. If only Obama had declared Trump to be a seditious traitor and had him hanged! The world would've been so much better off.
Anonymouse 2:50pm: “ No. All it says is this: we'll return to power eventually, and if you don't sabotage this administration now, we'll fuck you up then.”
DeleteDo you think they decided to f- up two guys here and now?
"if the fishing boat attacks were illegal orders, why did Sen Slotkin say on TV she knew of no illegal orders?"
DeleteShe probably doesn't want to say definitively that something is illegal when she's only in a position to say that it certainly seems to be illegal.
If they asked me on TV if those orders were illegal, I would say yes. But they never ask me.
"if I say we are not required to tolerate Obama’s putting puppies in blenders, I think I would have implied that Obama put puppies in blenders."
DeleteIf so, you have a very expansive sense of the word 'implied'. Any statement, especially when so absurd as your example, derives its meaning not just from its words, but the context in which it is made.
Since no one suspects Obama put puppies in blenders, no one would suspect your statement to be true; they would more wonder why you said it.
The Dem video however, is made in the context of the Venezuelan boat murders and other Trump lawlessness, so does come close to being an accusation, so close it makes MAGA squeal and want to lash back, but without having a way of doing so.
It's trolling and it's working beautifully.
IANAL, but I wonder if there’s a distinction between an action being eventually found illegal and disobeying a direct order. E.g. suppose a Private in Vietnam disobeyed a direct order from his CO. Could that Private be exonerated by arguing that the whole war was illegal?
DeleteHe would have a trial (court martial).
DeleteThe private would have been morally right. But a court martial would probably have convicted him.
DeleteCecelia, the shooter in Washington DC seems to be an Afghan. His motive is unknown.
DeleteHe may have thought that they would disobey unlawful orders.
DeleteDavid, no you dumb fuck. A soldier cannot say he doesn't like the politics of a war. You are not that stupid, just playing one right? I mean we know you are a fascist, but not as stupid as a normal one, or so we thought.
DeleteAli said he was a pacifist and was jailed you ignorant cunt.
DeleteA normal Admin would deny that they would even consider an illegal order and that it would never happen. Trump of course says I can do any order I want, and if you don't like it being illegal go fuck yourselves I put you in jail, fuck the stupid constitution.
DeleteHey can Trump's DOJ or Deep State do anything wothout fucking it all up so bad they go back to square one?
ReplyDeleteHegseth is not Head of the Dept of War because Congress has not approved the name change. Somerby could have checked that instead of pretending there is some doubt.
ReplyDeleteTwo national guardsmen shot near the White House have died.
ReplyDeleteThey are not dead. They are in critical condition.
DeleteNo harm, no foul.
DeleteA measly two National Guardsman, out of how many?
DeleteAsking for David in Cal.
The only answer is to nuke alk of DC to make sure no more damn Afghannies be running around.
Delete"Appeals Court Upholds $1M Penalty Against Trump in Lawsuit Against Hillary Clinton"
ReplyDeleteThe Trump retribution offensive continues to showcase his legal smarts.
His lying petty asshole too. Fascist gonna fascist.
DeleteLegal smarts? You a funny man. So smart his dumbness' lawyer got Comey off free.
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