LONG ENDURE: Rosen discerns the shape of the threat!

FRIDAY, JULY 10, 2026

Refuses to say their names: Can our form of government, can our nation, "long endure?"   

President Lincoln floated the question at Gettysburg. Today, we're involved in a great societal war which raises the question again.  

Will we be able to find our way "back out of all this now too much for us?" We've been asking that question for years at this site. 

As he starts this essay for The Atlantic, Professor Rosen joins us in not being real sure.  Just to refresh you, we'll show you his headlines again:  

IDEAS
American Democracy Wasn’t Designed for This
Can our 18th-century institutions survive 21st-century technology?

In his essay, Rosen suggests the possibility that our democracy won't survive the influence of a set of new technologies. We've been telling you that for years. We think his aim is true.

What's the nature of this existential crisis? As he starts, Rosen takes us back to the questions the founders asked when they decided to form a new nation. For starters, he quotes Hamilton saying this:

"The important question: whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice."  

Are we humans really capable of engaging in cool, clear reason? Rosen describes "a central premise of the Enlightenment," a premise he says the founders shared:

"Ordinary human beings are capable of recognizing truth on their own." 

According to Rosen, the founders generally believed that. We humans have the capacity to sit down and reason together.

Today, though, we're mired in a tribal propaganda war which has largely given the lie to that cheerful notion. We humans believe the darndest things:

Remarkably large percentages of the population have been persuaded, over the years, that Barack Obama was born in Kenya; that "death panels" were part of the Affordable Care Act; and that Hillary Clinton was involved in a pedophile ring which may have operated out of a Washington pizza shop.   

Before that, one of our nation's most famous Christian preachers had peddled a film which suggested that Bill and Hillary Clinton were involved in a long string of murders. In 1994, the nation's leading talk radio host had advanced the notion that Hillary Clinton was somehow involved in the death of Clinton aide Vince Foster. 

(On the Fox News Channel, the multimillionaire monster Greg Gutfeld continues to pimp that general framework today. He pimps it night after night.)  

How many of us "ordinary human beings" may come to believe such notions and claims? Below, you see the numbers from a recent survey concerning the most significant misapprehension of the past six years:

Half of Republicans say the 2020 election was rigged   

This week's Economist/YouGov Poll finds sharp divides in public confidence in U.S. elections, with Democrats and Republicans holding vastly different views on the legitimacy of the 2020 election, the credibility of Donald Trump's recent election-rigging claims, and expectations for the fairness of future elections.

28% of Americans—including half (50%) of Republicans and only 9% of Democrats—believe that the 2020 presidential election was "rigged." Republicans who identify as MAGA supporters are about twice as likely as non-MAGA Republicans to think the election was rigged (66% vs. 32%).  

As a result of persistent claims by President Trump, 50% of Republican respondents said they believe that the 2020 election was rigged.

The sitting president has had six years to produce evidence in support of this poisonous claim. Many Americans have failed to notice the fact that he has neglected to do so. And not only thatalso this! 

[continuing directly from above]  
Trump recently claimed that this year's primary elections in California were rigged. One-third (33%) of Americans believe he has concrete evidence to support this claim; 67% think he is just trying to sow doubt in the legitimacy of the elections. Most Republicans (72%) think Trump has [concrete] evidence to support his claims of rigging in California. MAGA Republicans are far more likely than non-MAGA Republicans to believe Trump has evidence of rigging (84% vs. 51%). Only 3% of Democrats think Trump has concrete evidence of the elections being rigged.  

How about it? Did the president really produce "concrete evidence" in support of that additional claim? In this survey, 72% of Republicans said they believe that he did. 

In many cases, it's hard to prove that a given claim is false. (Old bromide: You can't prove a negative.)  Under current arrangements, it may not matter if you do manage to prove, or if you do manage to seem to prove, that a given claim is false.

Quite routinely, it won't matter if you show that some claim is bogusand Rosen understands why that is. 

The founders were fearful of "factions," Rosen writes. (Today, such entities sometimes go by the name of "political parties.") 

In Professor Rosen's telling, "Madison believed that the tendency to form factions is 'sown in the nature of man.' " Rosen explains why Madison was optimistic in spite of that belief.

That said, it's plainly true! We humans seem to be wired to split off into rival tribes. And some modern technologies have created a world in which the tendency to split into tribes badly undermines our ability to reason together as an intelligent nation. 

He mentions the Internet, and he mentions social media. Such technologies have created an obvious problem, he says. He says the problem is this:

Democracy has been resilient for a long time, but that doesn’t mean it can’t reach a breaking point. Social media is an unprecedented challenge: In every way, it represents the Founders’ nightmare. ...More than any previous communications technology, social media has the effect of herding users into likeminded communities where they never have to hear an opposing point of view. In a 2020 article in Science, 15 psychologists and political scientists wrote that America’s political divisions were being amplified by “popularity-based algorithms that tailor content to maximize user engagement.” If the Founders had been able to spend an hour on X, they would have been a lot less optimistic about human beings’ capacity to govern themselves by reason rather than passion.   

According to Professor Rosen, "social media has the effect of herding users into likeminded communities where they never have to hear an opposing point of view." In other words, it has the effect of creating like-minded "factions"including political parties in which 72% of members believe poisonous claims which almost surely aren't true.

According to Professor Rosen, social media has this effect more than any other new technology. We can't necessarily say that's true.

Unfortunately, and rather strangely, Rosen never mentions talk radio. Also, more tellingly, he never mentions "cable news." And he certainly never says the names of the players who, at present, are undermining the very chance of continuing with a successful version of government "by the people."

Rosen doesn't say their names! As you may have noticed by now, people of his professional class never do. 

Tomorrow, we'll explain what we mean by that unflattering comment. Also, we'll visit a world where the corporate messenger Charlie Hurt is eating away at the possibility that government of the people will survivewill long endure, won't "perish from the earth."

Tomorrow: They never say their names


26 comments:

  1. "Refuses to say their names: Can our form of government, can our nation, "long endure?"

    President Lincoln floated the question at Gettysburg."

    My reading of Lincoln is that he was worrying about the nation enduring, not the democratic form of government. Are the two identical? Of course not. There are other nations who are democratic that would still exist if the USA collapsed and were no longer a union.

    Somerby keeps urging us to consider our current political state as a civil war, but (1) no one is fighting as anything other than a metaphor, no shooting, no physical battle lines, (2) our politics is a spectrum, multidimensional, a continuum, not two starkly divided groups as slave vs free was, (3) people live intermixed in both red and blue states much more than in free/slave states, (4) we have a single dictator-wannabe who is threatening both red and blue voters with authoritarian government, that is one enemy vs the people, (5) there was not any crazy leader in the civil war, certainly not Lincoln himself whereas Trump is crazy and has surrounded himself with crazy people, (6) there is now huge corruption, which was not the case in the civil war, (7) billionaires have taken sides, (8) AI is new technology in the wrong hands, which was not the situation in the civil war, (9) there appears to be a war on immigrants, people of color and women, a dynamic not present in the Civil War Lincoln oversaw.

    So, why does Somerby persist in asserting such an unworkable comparison? Well, he wants some of Lincoln's stature to rub off (on himself? on Trump?) but the only stature today is with those fighting the president and his cronies, not the Republicans looting our nation. Somerby sounds foolish whenever he brings this up, as if he too were grasping to have Trump appear on Mt. Rushmore right beside Lincoln. No one wants that, and more than we wanted to see Trump defile, damage and destroy the Lincoln reflecting pool. It hurts the people every time Somerby reminds us of what Trump has done to memorials to one of our greatest presidents, a man who gave his life for his country, unlike Trump, who was a draft dodger.

    It is offensive every time Somerby brings this up. I wish he would find something else to say about this red/blue conflict.

    ReplyDelete
  2. "Rosen doesn't say their names! As you may have noticed by now, people of his professional class never do. "

    This is a total lie! There are plenty of professors, journalists and writers who DO say names and are not only honest but straightforward in their writing, unlike Somerby himself.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Do they have access to mass media outlets? Are they featured on the TV? In the NYT? In Wapo? In WSJ?

      Delete
    2. 9:59,
      Everybody who criticizes TDH already knows that.

      Delete
  3. "Unfortunately, and rather strangely, Rosen never mentions talk radio."

    Talk radio is dead. No one listens to it. That is why Rosen doesn't mention it. Rosen, unlike Somerby, lives in the present. On the other hand, Somerby never mentions podcasts, the successor to talk radio.

    These daily essays should be embarrassing to Somerby but he is too unaware to understand that he is not keeping up with the times, has nothing to say to anyone here, and is wrong, which makes him harmful and offensive.

    ReplyDelete



  4. The way elections are run, Bob, it's the people who claim that elections are not rigged are the side that needs to produce concrete evidence.

    Just the fact that people casting votes are not asked to provide IDs and proofs of citizenship is a concrete evidence for the "yes, rigged" claim. Capeesh?



    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. How do you prove that something didn't happen?

      Why do people on the right not understand that comparing signatures with the registration form and the person checking in to vote is the way that voters are ID'd? There is validation of the eligibility of everyone who registers. Photo ID systems are far more expensive to place in every polling place and didn't exist when our voting systems were created. That doesn't mean there is no verification and no checking of who can vote.

      Why is it that the idiots who claim the system is rigged know nothing about how the system works?

      Delete
    2. 9:46: Yes? That’s how it is in the court system, defendents must prove the negative, right shit for brains maggot head?

      Delete

    3. Rigging elections is the only possible reason for refusing to check IDs, Democrat. Ergo, the elections are rigged. That's all.


      Delete
    4. Assuming facts not in evidence, maggot infested shit for brains. Go find evidence of “rigging” once you remove your empty skull from orange chickenshit’s fat lying ass

      Delete
    5. Legislation that makes voting more difficult needs to be based on proof there is a problem being addressed. After his first win, Trump assembled an "Election Integrity" panel headed by an allywhot had been promoting the idea that there was significant voter fraud. After canvassing the states for evidence of such, the panel disbanded without fanfare. For a party headed by a felon who tried to overturn the results of an election to claim that others engage in voter fraud is ridiculous but of course on brand.

      Delete
    6. Once again, it is so fucking infuriating that the felon was indicted for his attempts to steal the 2020 election,yet never had to face a jury and the American voting public in 2024 were denied the opportunity to evaluate the criminal conspiracy he engaged in, partly because the fucking corrupt supreme court stepped in to block the trial.

      And so now, we have to endure the fucking felon lecturing us on election integrity and his cult fans who don't know shit come here yappiing about "rigging" - fuck you dumb lying maggots.

      Delete
    7. As Democrats, I think we need to give Trump a chance. The price of meat is down.

      Delete
    8. Reminds me of when the "liberal" NYT asked people to write them letters saying nice things about Trump. We live in a comedy horror film.

      Delete
  5. "Rosen doesn't say their names!"

    Somerby is mad because Rosen hasn't mentioned him. Narcissists! There's no pleasing them.

    Cable news is dead.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Weirdos like Somerby are itching for a civil war so they can dismantle our democracy and replace it with ruling elites that then dictate to us what our best interests are.

    No, humans are not hard wired to split into rival tribes. Crack a book sometime, Somerby.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Tribalism is absolutely hard wired in human beings. You should take your own advice and "crack a book."

      Delete
    2. I agree with 11:41 that tribalism is part of human beings. But, what's different today is that the "opposing tribe" consists of fellow Americans, rather than foreigners.

      Delete
    3. No, fuckface, you're fucking treasonous bastards Putin turd polishers.

      Delete
  7. Modern communication technology, especially social media, undermine the Founding Fathers' assumption that citizens can reason together in pursuit of truth.

    The algorithms encourage people to remain in ideologically homogeneous.

    It makes it harder for people who engage in these technologies to reason.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Today, voters in both parties have the same goals: peace, prosperity, clean air and water, equality, justice, good education, good health, etc. However, the pols we elect have opposite goals. Both groups of pols want power. Only one side can have it.

    The power of being an IN is enormous. Fame. Money. The Trump family is making billions. The Biden family made millions. Pelosi and others in Congress used their situation to enrich themselves in the stock market. So, the pols work hard to divide voters, even though voters share the same goals. The pols lie shamelessly.

    The media also profits by dividing the populace. We readers eagerly read sources that confirm our prejudices. Media that should take pride in accuracy also twist their reporting. The strange result is that people agree about what the goals are but disagree about what reality is.

    Will the nation survive the divisive words and policies of our pols and media? Good question.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Go fuck yourself, dickhead.

      Delete
    2. Your Gestapo got another one of those brown invaders yesterday, dickhead. Do you feel safer now?

      Delete
    3. Keep in mind, dickhead in Cal, crawled naked thru a Paris sewer to vote 3 times for a fucking felon who is implementing the Project 2025 complete dismantling of our Constitutional democracy and pardoned cop murderers on his first day in office.

      Delete
    4. Bothsiderism is a fascist tool you fucking fool.

      Delete
    5. The fucking child rapist is finally paying one of his victims. It takes awhile to get justice with this evil fuck, don't it?

      Delete